Hello guys, I want to know your honest opinion about pic related. Now that the dust has settled, was this such a horrible disrespect to the fans? Or was it just a silly Easter egg that doesn't really affect ORAS's overall quality as a game?
>>58858254much like most normal players, I never went to the battle frontier in emerald so this doesn’t affect me.
> was this such a horrible disrespect to the fans?Yes, it's just soulless corporate behavior
>>58858261>normal playerscasuals*
>>58858254I would have been happier if they didn't even include this at allHaving this as an Easter Egg/reference felt like a straight-up "fuck you"
>>58858254it was disrespectful 10 years ago and it is still disrespectful now. Id rather they didnt even include it
>>58858254Disrespect. HGSS gave us a full Battle Frontier, albeit a copypasta of Platinum's, compared to Crystal's Battle Tower. ORAS gave us a single Battle Maison copypasta'd from XY compared to Emerald's Battle Frontier.Unlike Emerald, one could raise competitive level Pokémon within a reasonable amount of time in ORAS and would've made the Battle Frontier much more accessible. Add in all the new battle formats that are in Gen 6 and not Gen 3, and you would've gotten an expanded or revamped Battle Frontier.There's also all the other Emerald additions missing from ORAS and its Delta episode, but the Battle Frontier is the biggest loss.
I didn't give a shit. I skipped Gen 3 as buying a GBA was a false economy and I was never mentally disabled enough to find the RNG halls any way interesting or fun.But please do tell me how incandescently upset you still are, because they didn't give a shit for zoomers when it came to remake a game aimed at 7 year old humans.
>>58858268...who do you think makes up the most adult sales of the games? Newsflash - it ain't "hardcore gamerz".
I miss Stadium.
>>58858254>Now that the dust has settled, was this such a horrible disrespect to the fans?Yes. Gen 5 removing the Battle Frontier was lazy as fuck and ruined the games.
it was a tonedeaf joke on gf's part but people oversell the shit out of this. at no point during oras's prelease did they even hint at the BF being in it. that is not something GF would've kept secret until the games came out. if you expected otherwise you did it to yourself
>>58858359So, you think that from Gen 5 onwards, all games are shit? Because none of them has a Battle Frontier?
>>58858375lol don't break yawnfag like that
>>58858254this is as bad as the 3 lame endings of me3. by the end of such a shit game I just wanted them to nail the ending/bf and instead shat into the fans' mouth.
>>58858379I'm just following his logic. Curious what he really thinks.Personally, I don't care about the Battle Frontier. I think ONE Battle Tower/Maison/etc. is enough, and we don't need 5 copy-pastes of it, with slightly modified rules each.
>>58858374I totally agree with you. I think "The Battle Frontier Project has started!" was just an Easter egg that most fans interpreted the wrong way.I don't think that Game Freak's intention was to upset the fans. Nobody wants to upset his own fans.
>>58858284/thread. I remember the pics that came out from anons who got their copies of the game early and a lot of people here and elsewhere huffing extreme amounts of copium that those pics weren’t real. Then we all got our hands on the game and find out that it’s true and that they quite literally just cut and pasted the Maison from XY in instead of having the Battle Tower at the very least. Add onto that Masuda’s quote in the pic well after the fact and it made sense why Pokemon went to complete shit once they went 3D.
>>58858422Fuck, was referring to pic in >>58858266
>>58858422>they quite literally just cut and pasted the Maison from XY in instead of having the Battle TowerThe Battle Maison is literally better than the Battle Tower.
>>58858254If they hadn’t acknowledged it at all, it would’ve been mostly fine. But this was a tease, it wasn’t an Easter egg anymore. It was their way of saying “we know you were expecting this and we’ll put in front of your face that we’re NOT doing it. Fuck you lmao”At least that’s how it felt.
I was just reading on the internet about "the Battle Frontier Project has started" and apparently in Sun/Moon's postgame with Anabel and Looker, it is revealed that the Battle Frontier was DESTROYED!? Is this true guys? I have played USUM, but not SM, so now I feel like I have missed an important bit of lore... What exactly do they say about the Battle Frontier in SM?
>>58858459I don't think that was their intention. I think they just miscalculated the fan's feelings about it.
>>58858254It was obviously an attempt at appeasing the fans but backfired massively.
>>58858468>It was obviously an attempt at appeasing the fansThis. Their intention was to make a cool Easter egg, nothing more>but backfired massivelyAlso true.
>>58858266don't know why people dick ride masuda after leaks showed he was demoted. he was still a retard by the end, nigger did irreparable damage to the franchise
>>58858476Because the franchise wouldn't exist beyond Gen 1 without him.Gen 2 would've been canceled because Tajiri had a meltie and bailed when GameFreak's incompetent fucktardedness couldn't catch lightning in a bottle twice to successfully make Pokemon 2 within his personal deadline, and that left GameFreak as a bunch of headless chickens until Masuda stepped in.This board wouldn't exist, nor would your strong attachment to the franchise, because Pokemon would've been a novelty game that lived and died in the late 90's.
>>58858463>fansPlease stop pretending A) most you cunts actually played AND understood the BF in Emerald back when Emerald was the latest pokémon game and B) that you devoid retards squealing on the internet actually were a majority of the 14-odd million retards who bought the game (including myself in that, btw. I bought it, because I didn't buy any of Gen 3 back in the day as a waste of money as a poor college student). Because the actual fans didn't give a crap, that's why it sold 14-odd million instead of having its sales crater because "muh battle fwontiers, noes".
>>58858451Yes, but where are the rest of the facilities? Where's the Battle Factory? Where's the Battle Pyramid? Where's the Battle Palace?
>>58858504First of all, I did play the Battle Frontier when Emerald came out, and I completed all 7 Silver Symbols, plus 3 or 4 Gold ones.That said, I don't care about the Battle Frontier's absence from ORAS personally, and I am not one of the guys who complain about it.I'm OP, and my personal opinion is that ORAS shouldn't have mentioned the Battle Frontier AT ALL, since the Battle Maison is more than good enough as a replacement.Oh an btw, I don't think the OP picture is that bad. The bigger problem (that nobody ever brings up) is a male Ace Trainer NPC next to the Battle Tower model, who literally says this: "The Battle Maison is still popular among trainers, but there are plans to make it a MORE robust and special Facility, called the Battle Frontier".I don't understand what's the point of this NPC existing, and WHY do the developers want us to think that the Battle Frontier (that they didn't put in the game) will be "more special and robust" than the Battle Maison (that they did put in the game).
>>58858570You're arguing with Boomerfag. Just let him have his tantrum, you aren't swaying him.
>>58858560Personally, I think Pokemon games only need ONE good Battle Facility (the Battle Tower or equivalent), rather than multiple Battle Facilities with slightly modified rules that aren't that different to begin with.I've always defended the Battle Maison/Battle Free as the best Battle Facility, because I truly don't think an entire Battle Frontier is necessary, when you can spend the dev time necessary for it, making other extra content.In conclusion, I think the Battle Frontier facilities are all too similar to the base Battle Tower, and the ONE facility that is actually different enough, just isn't fun (Battle Pyramid).
I don't like the Battle Frontier. I think it's one of those things where Emerald is left with a huge blatant positive that ORAS doesn't. You remember that Emerald let's you catch Groudon and Kyogre and ORAS doesn't. ORAS has a lot of new good things going for it, but it also has a number of questionable decisions, and it becomes a game that's very easy to compare to other remakes and Hoenn games and pick apart for what it's missing. It's therefore not a Gen III replacement in the same way one could say that HGSS replaces Gen II. Now obviously HGSS isn't a perfect replacement either, but it comes a lot closer than ORAS does. HGSS brings back areas like Viridian Forest, Cerulean Cave, and the Seafoam Islands, locations people wanted to see return. There's finally a Giovanni appearance. Even though the GS Ball event has been removed, there's still content involving Celebi. There was the PCC in Crystal? Well HGSS has the Global Terminal near where it was. There was online trading in Japanese Crystal? All built-in normally in Gen IV. There were minigames when connecting online in Crystal? The Pokéthlon is now a thing in Goldenrod. Crystal had the Battle Tower? HGSS puts the Battle Frontier in the same spot. Your phone didn't have enough space for everybody? No longer a problem. Animated sprites, a female protagonist, Buena, the Unown stuff, Eusine, a Suicune subplot, it's there. Some of it is done differently, but the thought is there. There's even the Pokéwalker to replace the Pocket Pikachu 2.
>>58858254Though I've since gone back to Emerald/Platinum to appreciate the Frontier I really didn't care for it at the time gen 6 was current. Was happy the games got remade and they still hold up pretty well today, but OR/AS's legacy would've been a lot stronger if it had been included. I haven't touched OR/AS in a very, very long time.
>>58858586>Now obviously HGSS isn't a perfect replacement either, but it comes a lot closer than ORAS does.Fair enough, but I still think that ORAS is a better game than HGSS. Maybe HGSS is a better (more faithful) remake, but ORAS is a better Pokemon game.Whenever I play HGSS, I feel like I'm playing GSC all over again.Whenever I play ORAS, I feel like I'm playing a brand new game set in Hoenn. Sure, it may have the same base plot like RSE more or less, but the presence of DexNav, Soaring, 40-ish new Mirage Islands, Mega Evolutions, Primal Reversions, greatly expanded Secret Bases and Contests, new moves and abilities, Delta Episode, revamped Mauville City, etc... all of this makes me feel like ORAS added A LOT more new content than HGSS (which only really added the Pokeathlon, Voltorb Flip, and 2 New routes for Johto).I still respect HGSS a lot, and it's one of my favorite Pokemon games, but I prefer ORAS.
>>58858609I think that's the defining factor though. HGSS is a game that is like "How can we supercharge GSC and remain respectful while doing it?". When playing it, I was shocked at how many things they included that I WANTED to see as a kid, I wanted to find Mewtwo, the Legendary birds, the Kanto fossils and starters, and I wanted the Safari Zone and these other areas that just were no longer there. I wanted Giovanni to show up, he was missing. It actually makes Lorelei and Agatha being absent all the weirder. But HGSS is Gen II but (mostly) better because it was made with a lot of respect for its legacy.ORAS doesn't quite feel that way. Yeah, they were more of a new game than HGSS, but some of that feels like they didn't respect the original. It was more like "let's trying making this Hoenn game again and it resembles our previous Hoenn games but it's more like another attempt than a strict love letter", and because of that, it doesn't build upon everything that existed, it just outright replaces things. Even in terms of designs and characterization, characters like Shelly and Courtney are just completely different characters that happen to share the same basic roles and names, and they were already splitting the role depending on your version anyway. Instead of building upon the Courtney that existed, they just made a weird autist. There are very tiny passing references to a handful of the things that didn't make the cut, but they were cut because they couldn't fit it in time and gave just the briefest of acknowledgement. Even the story of how quickly ORAS was made and why it was made makes it seem half-hearted and superfluous. Compare to HGSS, where Gen II remakes are hinted at as far back as January 2004, and prototypes exist as early as 2006, they were in the works for a long time.
>>58858641>Even the story of how quickly ORAS was made and why it was made makes it seem half-hearted and superfluous. Compare to HGSS, where Gen II remakes are hinted at as far back as January 2004, and prototypes exist as early as 2006, they were in the works for a long time.ORAS was made in 1 year, but it was made by a staff of 100 people (confirmed in interviews by Ohmori). HGSS was made in maybe 2 years (?) but by a much smaller number of people.So I think this evens them out.I do agree with some other things you say, but in retrospect, I think by the time of ORAS, Game Freak had already moved away from "pure remakes". That's maybe why ORAS kinda feels like a new game set in Hoenn. And that's also probably why Gen 4 didn't get a Game Freak-made remake at all and got PLA instead.
>>58858641>Even the story of how quickly ORAS was made and why it was made makes it seem half-hearted and superfluous. Compare to HGSS, where Gen II remakes are hinted at as far back as January 2004, and prototypes exist as early as 2006, they were in the works for a long time.Also, I forgot to add something important. HGSS takes place in 2 regions (Kanto and Johto), while ORAS takes place in 1 region (Hoenn). So it makes sense that HGSS would need twice as much time in the oven compared to ORAS, because the map is two times bigger.
>>58858254these games are buttfuck easy and so is every post gen 6 gamespokemon ended in 2012
>>58858744>these games are buttfuck easyAll Pokemon games are easy. Nobody plays Pokemon for the difficulty.
>>58858744>pokemon ended in 2012Yeah, BW almost ended Pokemon but Gen 6 fortunately revived the franchise.
>>58858254>Now that the dust has settled, was this such a horrible disrespect to the fans?Yes
>>58858750>All Pokemon games are easy. Nobody plays Pokemon for the difficulty.BF is not easy, it was made for hardcore fans on purpose
>>58858781>BF is not easy, it was made for hardcore fans on purposeBattle Maison is not easy either, it was made for hardcore fans on purpose too.
>>58858783Agreed, but it's shorter and has less variety than the frontier
>>58858570Yeah, but you misunderstand the whole point of Pokémon AND remakes in general. They're not made for you, they're made so kids of the current year get to play the new games and the content from back in the day, so the casualfags get to relive their memories of the thing. You cunts want nothing less than the franchise to bow and kiss your feet, purely because you did what every other fucktard child has done since 1996 and bought into the thing so blindly and completely, yet were unable to accept your spot in the hierarchy after growing out of the target demo.>>58858572Stopped replying to me because you can't disprove my points? Still love the fictional construct of me to handle being put so firmly in your box. Really doesn't look like a little boy throwing a strop at all.
>>58858790It's "shorter" than the Battle Frontier, but technically BOTH the Frontier and the Maison are infinitely long, if you get what I mean. They can be played indefinitely.
>>58858254I never played the buttsex fagtier, where the game literally cheats, so I didn't give a shit.
>>58858254Yes it was disrespect.It means they thought of it, could have added it, but just said nah.The entirety of gen 6 was gf deciding to be lazy shits at the last minute realizing midway that they don’t have to try, they already have your money.The franchises’ soul ends after you pick up a Mega Lucario.
>>58858254I dont care one way or the other. I dont like battle frontier and this can be considered a nod to that mode.
>>58859983>and this can be considered a nod to that modeExactly. I think it was meant as an inoffensive nod to Emerald, and the devs didn't expect this simple nod would cause so much controversy among some fans.
>>58858461Can anyone help me with this?
Bump
>>58858254ORAS was a shit game long before getting to that point, but that certainly didn't help
>>58860834ORAS is a great game. You guys just call any 3DS era game "shit" because it's a meme.
i haven't bought a single pokemon product since reading those words
>>58860911I like the other 3DS games and have beaten them all several times, but ORAS is shit and always will be and I'll never play it again when Emerald exists.
>>58861718ORAS is better than Emerald
>>58861940ORAS isn't better than OG Ruby/Sapphire, much less Emerald.
>>58858254I never play Battle Frontier but I think they should have included it. It wouldn't be a big deal if the game made up for it but the game is trash. Battler Frontier is the least they could have done.
>>58861946ORAS is the best 3Ds game
>>58861946ORAS mogs RSE
>>58861954>>58861960>1 minute apartHuh
>>58861977That's the most coincidental shit of all time
>>58858254>no battle frontierGreatest game ever made
>>58862049Based
>>58858261Literally everyone who beat the game did, retard.Just because you were too dumb to use a boat ticket doesn't mean every kid was.
