I'm not a genwunner or anything, but goddamn. It just feels like every starter trio's been downhill after them, just failed attempts to catch the same lightning in a bottle. No other gen has been able to capture starter pokemon as well as they did.
sinnoh trio mogs both
>>58870100The Sinnoh trio did before GameFreak decided to have a vendetta against them.
Ivyfag bread
>>58870100The sinnoh and hoenn trio are comparable. All three of each region have strong designs.
>>58870100Hoenn was the first and likely only trio to officially rival them
>>58870100I think I like Chikorita line just a little bit more than the Bulbasaur line, or at the very least Meganium > Venusaur. I like Gen 2 starters in general. They get worse as time goes on though. Delphox I like though. Really as far as starters go, in most cases, the middle evo is the best.
>>58870100sinnoh trio did but us chads don't need to be pandered to nor spoiled by gamefreak your fragile ego won't even make a dent to us for we know that they haven't been toped to this day
>>58870355be afraid and squeal kantochuds
>>58870363kantoids kant kope
>>58870363Torterra carries this trio big time. Swap torterra for meganium and Johto mogs the conpetition
>>58870402infernape is sexier than blaziken and typhlosion there I said it
>>58870363lol Game Freak forgot about these useless fucks
>>58870363>Kalos legends game gives the original starters megas>Sinnoh legends game replaces them with new startersThe most cucked trio LMAO
>>58870100The Alola trio is great
>>58870523looking back on it I agree
Yall are acting like no megas for sinnoh is somehow a bad thing. They dont have stupid shillforms? Oh WOE!!!!!!!!!
>>58870519Can't change perfection.
>>58870106
>>58870100Gen 3 has consistently been praised a lot.I might even say Gen 4, though I am a bit biased towards Gen 3.
>>58870523>yet another jobmon cereal mascot trioNot even close.
>>58870523They all look like fursonas
>>58871235Holy based
>>58870100Based thread then
>>58870523Fucking Disgusting
>>58870519>Sinnoh starters are so iconic and solid that they don't need replacement or concession formsNot the own you think it is.
Op bumping her bread from 11 again
>>58870402swap torterra for meganium and Sinnoh mogs the competition
>>58870100>Has any other starter trio come close?yeah >>58870118 >>58870106 >>58871243
>>58871909>>58871603>>58873316Holy cope. Alola starters did jobmon the best easily.
>>58870325man, johturd stray
>>58870402>Torterra carries this trio big time.this>Swap torterra for meganium and Johto mogs the conpetitionlol!
>>58870100Based
>>58870121objectively incorrect. Sinnoh is at best top 3.Sinnoh might mog Kanto, Johto, Unova (which region doesnt?), Alola, Galar, Hisui, Paldea and nu-Kalos, but it cannot mog Hoenn or old Kalos.
>>58870523>owl is okay, desu>opera singer would be fine if 100% female>cute house cat turns into bara faggotSorry, but gen 7 doesnt even have 1 flawless entry, the seal is the best one, but gets ruined by the gender ratio clashing with the mostly female design.Kanto, Hoenn, Sinnoh and Kalos completely mog all othe regions.Followed by Johto, Hisui and nu-Kalos.Paldea, Alola, Unova, and Galar are the worst starter regions.
>>58870363Fire > Grass > Water > Fire Fighting > Steel < Ground Would have been better if the secondary typing were used to effectively counter their counterpart.
>>58874401>opera singer would be fine if 100% femaleStop fucking animals.
>>58870100sinnoh is the best starter triounova is an immediate downgrade due to emboarand then the starters finally go to shit starting from kalos
>>58870363starter trio so bad that they get mogged by a first stage literal my mom's penguin
>>58870100yeah
>5493lol that's a new cope.
>>58875495Based, never let 'em get paid
>>58870100right
>I'm not a genwunner or anythingYes you are, faggot. Fuck off.
>>58873316Also based
>>58870484>>58870519>>58874804All the sinnoh schizo btw.
>>58870100uh huh
>>58879396>>58877367>>58875484What’s with this weird necro samefagging
>>58879552Mods think they are funny when they troll
>>58870100oui
>>58870100Blasturd ruined it
>>58880253Weird way to spell Charitard but ok.
>>58871909that's cuz they are
>>58870100ja
>9
Kalos trio all three are super solid. Hoenn is also very, very good. Those are the only 3 trios I consider truly spotless.
>10Lolo
>>58882974Kalos megas are god-like. No wonder they sabotaged the ZA trio
>>58870100I'd say its tied between them Hoenn and Sinnoh's starters. This might be a bit controversial but I think the Johto trio could've also made it to the top if they didn't have bad stats and movepools.
>>58882974>>58884594Greninja and two hanger ons
>>58885489> Johto trio could've also made it to the top if they didn't have bad stats and movepools.True but unlike every other starter the Johto starter were the only ones that were not made to be shilled. Partly as punishment for following the KANTOOOO starters and partly out of punishment for how hellish gen2’s development was due to game freak’s own stupidity. Any scrap of love the johto starters god in the past 25 years is solely due to fan autism because game freak’s gives them jack shit. Meganium manages to get a reasonable sized fanbase now due to getting a non-humiliation ritual mega. But it’s still far behind due to the Johto penalty
>>58870100sim
>9Lolol
>>58870100Are those just the pics from Bulbapedo stuck together
>>58870100>green, blue, teal>orange, red, orange>light blue, purple, dark blueThanks, Sugimori
Only Kantoooooo matters
>>58886606This but unironically
>>58870100shih
Why does she keep samefagging kanto threads?
>58888675>she
>>58889362>>58888643>>58887203>>58886052
>>58870100Meowscarada is better than all of those
>58870100kanto niggers aren't even top 3 trios lmao, everyone knows the hoenn trio is king
>>58889430king of sucking dick maybe
>>58889434they arent my favorite trio, but gotta give it to them, hoenn trio is perfect and balanced as fuck>>58889405correct
>>58870100That's what tried to deny crying about bumping you know
>>58885489>old gen aesthetic>Gen 2 screenshots>Red uses Lapras on the artWhat's the source of this artwork ?
>>58870118 >>58870106 >Anti-hoenn kanto dickrider mod exposed lol
>>58889964sure
>>58870100>It just feels like every starter trio's been downhill after themit's not a feeling, it's reality
>>58870100>It just feels like every starter trio's been downhill after themcuz they don't even want to deviate and the fucking manufacturers demand they stick with grass water and fire for ease of production process of using the same hue. the original starters made sense because they are the primary colors of a color palette. everything has mostly been a shit excuse for starters since then
>>58892341>>58892362Based
>>58870325this, they were the last trio where all 3 were perfect
>>58870100I wish Bulbasaur evolved to Ivysaur in the anime. like Ash having his starters at two stage 1s and then one stage 3 was just weird. Also in the show Bulbasaur went off to take care of some Pokemon sanctuary and it’s like bro you’re just a stage 1, him being stage 2 for that would have been like oh okay you’re strong now only you can do it. Idk would have been a nice balance between stage 1 Squirtle and his Squirtle squad shenanigans, stage 3 Charizard and his overpowered I’m not listening to you attitude and then stage 2 Ivysaur the responsible one.
>>58893745Ash's Bulbasaur was stronger than his Charizard.Charizard lost to a dusclops and Bulbasaur could defeat it despite taking fire and psychic damage.Also defeated a Solrock that Squirtle couldn't defeat
>>58870100I genuinely really like the Galar trioFujo proportions be damned, I love my James Bond sniper bong lizard
>>58870100Gen 4
>>58893745>>58895564feels bad that they just got left behind
4>1>3>2>dogshit>56 and up are literally all fursonas except for the SV croc and not worth talking about
>>58870363What do they even DO???
>>58889405Meowscarada deserves to be part of a better starter trio.
>>58889405>>58897564>not even in zA in his own genIrrelevant flopmon
>>58882974Hoenn's are great because they achieve absolute badass silhouettes despite being based on fairly unimpressive animals.
>>58897607i loved the episode where this chicken violently beats up charizard
>>58897607The Hoeen starters were explicitly designed to be in the upper ring of shillmons, just below KANTOOOOO
>>58897568Based
>>58897613all starters are designed to be shillmons some just suck at it
>>58889405Meowscarada is fucking garbage, fucking despise catfags
>>58882974>Kalos trio all three are super solidMaybe if you forget Chesnaughthaving both a middle stage and final stage being contenders for least popular starter forms evereven Chespin isn't that popular, oof
>>58889405Meowscarada is fucking awesome, fucking love catGODS
>>58889405Shitmon
>>58898128>all starters are designed to be shilllmons
>>58889405Basedmon
>>58897613>just below KANTOOOOO More like above kanto but because gamefreak and TPC are such bitches they can't admit defeat they will be below KANTOOOOOOOOOslop
>>58898236they're need to make a good impression coz they're the first thing you get to use
>>58899479>literal who>20k votes>thinking one sperg speaking to its generation means the entire fanbase agrees with their summationIf your shitty starters were actually worth a fuck, they'd be shilled on the level of shit like 'Zard, Gengar and Lucario.
>>58899493meant for >>58898791
>>58899493yeah
>>58899493>If your shitty starters were actually worth a fuck, they'd be shilled on the level of shit like 'Zard, Gengar and Lucario. They'll never get it because gamefreak can't cope with their superiority
>>58870100Shitmons
>>58870100Shillmons
>>58870100Galar. Best games in the series with the best starter trio.
Hopes for Gen 10 starters?
>>58901313gen 10 grass type starter was just leaked in the other thread
>>58870100With all art its hard to beat the very first gen because its simple, creative, free form and realistic. As you expand you slowly lose sight of the intention. Thats why we have pokemon that are cars and tumbleweed now because you can only make so many cute animals. And if they kept evolving them (like megas) you drift too far into Digimon territory
>>58901974Based I guess
>>58870523I love Alola, but I have to disagree. This is when the "charactermon" desgin philosophy for the starters started to get really bad. Primarina does a good job at blending its charcater into a belivable enough creature and Decidueye's cool, I guess, but Incineroar is one of the worst of the worst when it comes to charactermons. I hate his fugly fursona ass and hate that it got into Smash Bros. It really pains me to say because litten is my favorite of the base forms and the starter I picked on my first playthrough and even Torracat is pretty cool.
I like using blastoise, regular or mega and doing map wide hydro pumps in Z-A. The ONLY reason I'm looking forward to Wind/Wave and Champions is because they might have Mega evolutions again. If they don't, I'm shelving the series for another 10yrs. This is a threat.
>>58907095Champions will, WW has a different gimmick
Why does some autist keep necroing every kanto thread
>>58870100lol it's a Kanto thread instead of an Ivysaur thread now is it
this place is so fucking dead Holy Shit
>>58870519If anything Typhlosion got completely cucked because it's the only starter from the first 3 Gens not to get a Mega Evolution.
>>58910287that's a blessing, regionals are better
>>58910292...at completely overshadowing the pokemon that gets them
>>58910297If the Hisuian form overshadowed the original then it would have been the subject of all the gigaleak memesthe OG still trumps it in relevancy without a shred of media presence (though to be fair neither of them have any of that)
>>58910292If regionals are really better why do all the shillmons like Charizard get megas? >>58910307> original then it would have been the subject of all the gigaleak memesThe OG is the subject of the ShitLeak memes exactly because normroids prefer the Hisuian form.
>>58899493lmao
>>58898791>Give Sceptile a signature move in the form of leaf blad>Have to make Sceptile a special attacker to make use of itI'll never get over it. Sceptile#'s design screams physical, but because they didn't do the damage split yet, it's doomed to forever be special. I hate it.
this place is so fucking based _H_oly _S_hit
>>58911643The old 'mons are really overdue for a rework
>>58909825Not really, one esl aspie just keeps bumping kanto threads for weeks on end so they all stay up
Oh so chapjeet admits he’s the one behind the kanto necroing hmm
>>58910475>no Pikachu or Eevee megas>pokemon like Audino and Glalie got themmeh
>>58870100Checked. >all dinosaursIt doesn't get any more based than that. Except, what if it can?!?!>heavy artillery amphibiansPut guns on your turtle dino = giga-based. Put a solar-powered particle accelerator on your frog = ultra-based. >flying, fire-breathing dragonThis is the clincher. Your starter eventually turns into a pseudo-legendary dragon pokemon like Gyarados. Everything about this trio is likeable and it scales into endgame marvelously. Many of the OG 151 were *based* specifically on dinosaurs and kaiju. The gen1 starters got a heavy dose of this shit. They all scream dinosaur-kaiju hard and people loved the shit out of them. Subsequent starters were based on gen1 starters, and having developed an additional degrees of separation, increasingly lost their edge as they move further and further away from the source material. Typical.
>>58874356>or old KalosGood joke.
>>58870100Hoenn and Sinnoh come the closest, but no other gen has captured the appeal of the first Starter trio. One might prefer later individual designs to these three, but the Kanto Starters work so well as a group, while all other trios are more disjointed.
>>58870100dubs of basedness
>>58914313sure
>gen 1Iconic, the megas are dumb and shit.>gen 2Typhlosion is good, Feraligator is ok, Meganium is dumb. Megas i dont even need to talk about.>gen 3Grovyle >>>>> Sceptile. The other 2 are good. Megas are dumb.>gen 4Empoleon and Infernape are peak. Torterra is ok at best.>gen 5Garbage. The grass one has a broken back from carrying the other two>gen 6Grass one sucks. The other two are "good" since they are both fursonas that appeal to the main demographic of pokemon fans. Their megas came out ok.>gen 7Decidueye is cool. Water one would be better if it was always female, incineroar took a smash slot. Fuck him.>gen 8Meh. Just like its game.>gen 9Wasted potential with water. Fire is reddit. Grass has charm i guess, still more of the fursona shit though.>plaDecidueye looks cool. They did what they could with the water one. Typhlosion is a cool idea with a callback to tgc delta species, but they made him too zesty.
>>58914368This is a consistent problem with all Starters after Gen I yeah, Gen III isn't too bad and Gen IV feels like it was intentionally trying to capture Gen I's magic again, but when the starters started becoming full on Jobmons that's when they stopped feeling like a trio and more just "let's hope one of these is popular enough to become the region's mascot"Seems to be the intent after Zoroark flopped as bad as it did
>>58917371What the fuck is reddit about a ghost croc
>>58917649>Gen IV feels like it was intentionally trying to capture Gen I's magic againDamn never saw it that way>Grass type tank with large plant on back>Speedy fire type based on mythological figures>Armored water type themed around warfare
>>58917649I heavily disagree on the "jobmons stopped feeling like a trio", the starters leaning into having connected themes that both unify and complement each other makes them feel far more like a trio than before. When done right, that is. 5-7 were doing it well but Galar and Paldea are just a hodgepodge.Also I'm of the opinion that Blastoise really fucks up the Kanto starters and ruins them as a trio/group because every other design in that set shares the same general } mouth shape except for Blastoise which has a completely different facial structure - it's very obviously disconnected from the rest of them and its own line.
>>58914242Pikachu and Eevee got niggantamax forms
>>58917649>after Zoroark flopped as bad as it didalways brings a smile to my face
>>58917649yeah
>>58918421Didn't you know? It heckin stays on four legs unlike the other two!
>>58918421It was made for people who like cool monsters instead of cat-raping furries and child-grooming faggots, That makes it reddit for some reason
>>58917649right
>>58870363im a hoennfag but infernape mogs blaziken nglpenguin is shit tho
>>58917649uh huh
>>58918421that's just the official line those things are ordered to try every time
>>589192536 would've worked if Chesnaught and Delphox weren't under-designed garbage. Greninja was the only one that actually succeeded and it took the Megas to fix the problems with the base designs5 hell fucking no, there's absolutely fucking nothing cohesive about the starter trio outside of the shitty broad themes Masuda was trying to implement in Gen V that didn't help the game out with showcasing Unova's "diversity" at all>French regal snake>Worse Journey to the West reference than Infernape>Ugly ass samuraiDoesn't help this is probably the least popular Starter trio by far7 doesn't feel connected either, they're just better designs>Archer Owl>Tiger Mask reference but a heel>Cure MermaidIf it weren't for the fact they were a Grass/Fire/Water trio, there would be zero relation to these mons. Like why is the pop idol strong against a fucking wrestler? Kanto's generic monsters are completely emblematic of their types, but you can take the Fire out of Incineroar or the Grass out of Decidueye and not lose the theme. It's a failure in cohesionLet's fucking back the fuck up now and look at all of the starters in the series. Have they actually BOTHERED to justify why they're Grass/Fire/Water outside of "Kanto did it"? These trios have no themes beyond their Jobs, which makes them not unified in the slightest. When they were just monsters in Gens I-IV, it's less egregious that they recycled the types but now we're forcing star pegs into square holes because it's always been that way. That's why none of the starter trios after Hoenn have succeeded in all in actually being iconic. Popular sure, but never iconic
>>58926658>Have they actually BOTHERED to justify why they're Grass/Fire/Water outside of "Kanto did it"?Honestly, this is why we need a new trio just to spice things up. Gen 6 did right with all the mons ending with Fighting > Dark > Psychic, but they gave the 2nd typings to the mons that already beat the first one. Give me Psychic/Grass >< Dark/Water >< Fighting/Fire (yes, I know I know, but it's been four whole generations, I think we can allow it again just for this).
>>58922205Maybe next time don't make a shillmon and NOT make it available in it's debut generation game outside of events. Seriously, you need the Celebi from HG/SS to get Zorua, or the Shiny Legendary Beasts to get Zoroark, and you can't DO this during the main story because the ability to transfer Pokemon from Gen 4 to 5 doesn't unlock until the post game.
>>58926706The fact that they made it so hard to get impliees it wasn’t intended as a shillmon. Every other shillmon they do hard into shoving it in your face. Shit, they even gave it a regional instead of the hecking shill CHARIZARD gimmick, a Mega
>>58870100this is exactly what a genwunner would say
>>58926712>The fact that they made it so hard to get impliees it wasn’t intended as a shillmonAnon, they made it the star of one of the movies, it and Lucario are the only non Legendary/Mythicals to get that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tewaSJxtHLsIt was one of the FIRST Pokemon revealed for Gen 5, by Masuda himselfhttps://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/21141/new-5th-generation-pokemon-revealedThey tied all these events to it and the only one you see in game is used by N. The only thing it didn't get that Lucario got was showing up in the last anime opening of the previous generation before it.
>>58926723No, a genwunner would never call any of the new shit pokemon
>>58917649>>58926728Welp oops. All this time I thought you were talking about Zeraora
>>58927527>ZeraoraWhat's funny about him is that it's PRIME shillmon material>bipedal anthro design, using a cat to Lucario's dog and Zoroark's fox>both attack stats in the 100s, but prefers physical as opposed to special like the other two>not the "star" of a movie, but did show up and play a role in Movie 21>was in the Sun/Moon anime, with the anime putting it on a parallel of importance to Pikachu (title of the episode was even called "Parallel Friendships!")>get a signature move of Plasma Fists But it's a mythical that could only be obtained via Game Stop code in 2018, and only just made available again
>>58927784Wow, cut myself off. Anyway, it was made available again in ZA via a mystery gift.
>>58927784>>58927786In spite of all of that it's still extremely popular in Japan, so I genuinely don't know if anyone at TPC realizes it's not popular anywhere else.
>>58928236maybe not but this sure is
>>58911643Dexcut really should've been used to overhaul the ones that remained
>>58917649sure
>>58919253Don't really see the theming for Gen 5 starters. France, China and Japan but in Pokemon New York? I don't think they really were going for a coherent "trio" until gen 6 did rpg classes. I think it's a nice idea on paper, even if it feels sort of half-assed in execution. Also Blastoise was originally a separate pokemon that got grafted to the Squirtle line which is why he looks so weird. >>58926658The Alola starters are also meant to represent rpg classes, they just got a lot looser with the designs. When you think of them as mostly representing their second type, they make a bit more sense collectively. Even if they don't follow the theme very strictly, I think it's the best set of starters so far in terms of character design.The "entertainer" theming they've been doing since gen 8 is just a little too vague. Cinderace and Meowscarada are big hits obviously, but they don't feel like they're part of a group at all.
>>58917649yeah yeah yeah
>>58929132the last "rebalancing" added like 10 BST to a bunch of them
>>58931703It's a carry over from Gen VII doing entertainers too, since Ohmori only knows one trick>Archer/Wrestler/Popstar>Also applies to Archer, Tank, BardThat's why Alola's starters persist in popularity where as modern ones don't. The themes are layered and interesting, but they don't really feel like their types at times. Grass/Ghost was a really bundled decision for Decidueye in particular. Like you can say it's a reference to the extinct owl, but that doesn't change it doesn't reflect its Archery skills at all. Which is why they just outright made it Fighting in PLA because its typing genuinely didn't matter. It got themed into something else entirely without issueIncineroar and Primarina, for as criticized as they are, perfectly represent their secondary types and are flavored to be their primary types. You probably could've given them another primary type and not changed much (like Fighting or Ice) but it's not that big of a deal. I think Decidueye being the weakest link of the 3 is what keeps it from being "a trio" where as other, later games don't even fucking bother to make them a trio
>>58934402I don't disagree, but the ghost typing has become increasingly vague over the years. Decidueye being "ghostly" as an assassin type character is probably what they're going for. Hisuian Typhlosion and Skeledirge are both pushing the ghost typing too, although I think the former pulls it off better.
>>58934535Generally a problem when you shoot for conceptual diversity and broadness over coherency. Fairy type was somehow born into this issue, since a lot of the time it's just a dumping ground for "mythical creature" now when that would've just been a Normal or Psychic type in the past. But since there's no Sound type (lol) then I see Primarina works as a Fairy, even if it could've worked as Ice or something too. Archer just isn't an elemental type. They could've stuck with Grass/Flying and it wouldn't have affected it on a conceptual level. It's not even good competitively like Incineroar, so it's not like the Ghost typing was to make it good. Maybe just slapped on to be popular. I haven't fully read the pitches for the SM mons so I'm missing some more context for them, but something tells me what you see is what you getHonestly I can hardly give enough of a shit about the Galar or Paldea starters. It's the end result of what I was talking about the arbitrary theming NOT helping the mons feel like a trio
>>58917649uhh huh mm hmmh
>>58926706Actually, Masuda knew it would be retarded to lock Zoroark to post-game. So he made the infinitely smarter idea of making an exclusive item you can get doing Mystery Gift shit that can ONLY transfer the Event Celebi/Shiny Beasts and fucking nothing else just so you can get Zoroark!You know, very intuitive mechanics that people would know just from playing the game. They seriously expected you to watch Japanese only promo shows to know about this shit
>>58893745There was an old promotional poster showing that Bulbasaur was going to evolve all the way into Venusaur by the time of the league.
>>58926658>Have they actually BOTHERED to justify why they're Grass/Fire/WaterIsn't this just so you'll be weak to one rival and maybe strong against another? There are only a few other type triangles like this, but I guess they're just trying them out using secondary types
>>58870100The only ones I think have come close have been Hoenn and Alola. As in, they're all fairly popular and there isn't a clear bias toward or against any other.
>>58934622Dark typing was born into the issue, too. You can especially see this how late it was added to monsters by looking at the GS beta. A cat with a bell was supposedly "evil" but the literal hellhound wasn't until the last builds. Umbreon was designed around being a poison type, but somewhere along the line they decided dark should have a nocturnal theme to capitalize on the day/night cycle, and so they retype something that wasn't particularly evil to being essentially the face of the typing. The typing is "thing or animal but violent" but arbitrarily not normal, fighting, dragon, etc. which other violent/menacing animals and moves are typed as.
>>58936768It's supposed to be the RPS system yeah, but this stops really being relevant now that they just give the main rival a Pokemon weak to yours and the actual strong rival is used by Champion-coded characters (Kukui/Leon/Clavell)>>58937129I think they did a good job justifying the Dark type in general after the fact. It slots in cleaner than Steel type did, which utterly kinda fucked over the balance altogether being such a bulky type (resisting shit like Grass, Rock, Dragon and now Fairy) while not feeling super redundant with Ghost despite having the same type effectiveness for the most part. Clearly lots of Johto was rushed at the end because Masuda wanted to get a game out soon as possible despite crapping the entire 97 build, but it eventually was able to feel more cohesive over time due to how they would later design the types. Mostly Gen IV, since the Phys/Spec split really fucked over Dark through out the entirety of Gen III in particularPosting the owl because it's the last one I didn't post
>>58936768A lot of the secondary types aren't even perfect triangles, some are even immune to the secondary types
>>58935348Got pics or link?
>>58870325I'm actually surprised that this is one thing people on this board don't debate. Gen 3 may be ass but all of its starters were bangers
>>58939651Mostly because they were coming off the Gen II starters, which ended up pretty underwhelming due to lack of balance. Sceptile is kind of ass and underwhelming, but it usually coasts on how cool it is and for being one of the best Grass type options of the region where you don't need a Grass type. Meanwhile Blaziken was a shillmon and Swampert was designed to solo the fuckin game. Sinnoh also has pretty good Starters, but they're more decently modest rather than hardcore or cool. They didn't really start shilling starters until XY when they became the first Pokemon revealed for the generation... Only for them to get replaced by the Kanto and later Hoenn starters anyway. I think that's why starters just don't make for decent shillmons or trios anymore, they're forced mascots and are built on a legacy mechanic rather than naturally designed around being a genuine trio
>>58884594Crazy that Kalos starters got megas before Sinnoh
>>58937192>Masuda wanted to get a game out soon as possible despite crapping the entire 97 build, As much as I hate defending ANY game freak employee, Masada really didn’t a choice. They had already pushed back the deadline the game had to come out. And really the fact that the game needed to be remade basically from scratch is more a reflection of how poorly the production was going already and may be a clue on why Tajiri left.. Masuda was probably the only one at game freak after Tajiri’s departure who was doing any work at all. >>58940319They’re underwhelming because game freak shat the bed on shilling them. They are far the most mishandled starters trio in the franchise. And that’s not even getting into the handicap of having to follow fucking Kanto
>>58941088The way Masuda acted in '97 is probably different from how he acted later once the fame/power got to his head
>>58901974still would've preferred a 4th stage to the way megas are handled
>>58943345This
>>58943345The entire point of megas is to tell the fanbase which Pokémon are the most important. Tha only works if the mega is the same stage. If they were a 4th stage they’d be a different ans the original would have been demoted to NFE instead of being promoted to shillmon.
>>58941070They should have had them 12 years ago but we had to suffer KANTO pandering even back then.
>>58943408>which Pokemon are the most importantlike Audino, Glalie and Crabominable
>>58901339oi vey!
>>58870325>>58939651Blaziken is by far one of the most hideous pokemon they've ever made. But Sceptile and Swampert are great yeah.
>>58919253>Galar and Paldea are just a hodgepodge.Britain: Soccer, 007, Drummer(John Bonham greatest/most famous of all time)- Iberian masquerade ball- Brazilian(Portugal's most famous colony)carnival- Mexican(Spain's most famous colony) dia de los muertos
>>58945337You can list what they're based on but that doesn't unify them as a trio. They could be any type and not lose these "themes" because they weren't designed to be elemental monsters outside of the generic Starter RPS lineup, they were designed to be country mascots. Cinderace could've been a Mono-Normal Pokemon because the Fire only sparks during its attack animations, Quaquaval could've been Fighting/Flying because the Water type is only codified through the blue coloring on its body. Earlier Pokemon monsters were monsters designed around their elements, but now they're fursuit mascots with elements that flavor their jobs rather than elemental monsters
>>58934372Their BST or really just stat distribution could use some work, but I'd prefer to have a lot of abilities tweaked
>>58945356Some of those types mighta been fun on starters
>>58945356There's been a lot of weirdness like why aren't Mega Punch and Mega Kick Fighting moves. Would've been good back in RBY
>>58946318I think we're just overdue for non-RPS Grass/Fire/Water starters. Most people's favorites tend to be from the first 4 gens or one of the few abstract, singular picks in later generations (like Greninja or Meowscarada). It'll probably result in fans liking the trio as a whole more instead of clowning on the shittier ones>>58946994Tons of Normal moves really should've been reclassified in Gen II like Karate Chop. There was really no excuse other than the hackneyed rushed sequels not allowing them to tweak older shit as much as they'd like. It's why lots of Gen I+II Pokemon got dogshit abilities in Gen III because they couldn't balance them the same way they couldn't balance mons like Misdreavus in Gen II. Then they get actually usable abilities in Gen IV because they have the opportunity to give Pokemon more than one ability. When every game was taking two years to be made, it becomes much harder to account for all the old shit, especially when you need 100+ new Pokemon every game. Insane development
>>58947036>especially when you need 100+ new Pokemon every gameprobably my biggest gripe with the franchise, there's no need to shovel out that many instead of putting love into a few if you really have to, or fixing the older ones
