>>58894878
AG. This shit would have broken the game in ways never seen before. You have an item that allow Arceus to change it's type into whatever is best super effective type to allow Judgement to always hit for heavy damage. This basically give Arceus no true counter or checks since it will always changing it's type and you will never know which one it changing into.

Aren't Mythicals banned from VGC?

>>58894899
that would make the tier even more fun imo, with mega fug finally meets its match and stop reigning supreme.

>>58894899
Yes, especially since it can increase its damage with Calm Mind, has a natural bulk of 120/120/120 making it difficult to one-shot, has access to Recover, and is one of the Pokemon with very high speed.

>>58894924
It's much stronger than Mega Fug. Especially since Fug can no longer use V-Create in recent generations

>>58894924
AG is a banlist first and tier second.
Whether or not it's any fun as a tier isn't considered, it solely exists so people can play singles without any specific rules limiting what they can bring or use.
The only time omgon cared about how an AG tier played was generation 9 natdex AG where it degenerated into people using assist to call revival blessing and endlessly revive their pokemon until the opponent ragequits.

Other than that, Anything Goes is deliberately kept as a no rules playground for anything that's banned in regular formats.

How good would Unown be if Hidden Power worked like PLA?

>>58895184
still ZU because their stats are extremely bad, and they also don't have any utility moves to speak of

in the meantime let me post some funny quotes from smogon's "strategy" articles on the mon

Gen 3:
>Overview
>lol

Gen 4:
i'll just link the entire analysis
https://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/pokemon/unown/

Gen 5:
>Checks and Counters
>Literally nothing can counter or check almighty Unown, as it is a force to be reckoned with by all teams. Well, nothing unless you face that rare opposing Pokemon that's either faster, has a damaging move, resists its Hidden Power type, has an existent Special Defense stat, has a priority move, or is just not Unown.

Gen 6:
>Team Options
>Use a better Pokemon, and then build a team around it.

>>58894920
yes, aside from the late-cycle for-fun seasons on cart weve had in swsh and sv. this seems to be a fanfic meta thread, though

>>58894878
>fanfic meta thread

>>58894942
>Especially since Fug can no longer use V-Create in recent generations
Giving it the strongest fire type move just because was one of the most shameless shilling tactics for any pokemon ever. Charizard wishes it got shilled this hard.

>>58894942
>can no longer use V-Create in recent generations
was it movecut or something?

>>58896554
Transfer moves are no longer a thing as of BDSP. Pokémon movesets are set to their level up defaults when sent to BDSP, PLA, or SV.

>>58896554
Movesets can't be transferred anymore, so event moves are dead.

>>58897181
it was a failed mechanic anyway

>>58897181
A lot of Pokemon fell off because of that. It's not just from event moves, either. Game Freak got really stingy with a lot of move distributions. A lot of things lost Defog, for example.

>AG is a banlist first and tier second
Never forget that ubers had to drop this mantra and become an official tier just to ban mega Rayquaza

>>58894878
based thread then

>>58894899
worth it

>>58901032
It has its benefits. Limiting the distribution of Scald was a good thing.

>>58894878
If they allow it, it would be reworked into a plate for a type exclusive to Arceus known as "Legend". said type is resistant to all other types, as super effective to them as well. This will cut the animation time of Arceus switching between type for every, fucking, moves in terms of offense and defense. Plus it will double the power of Judgement to be 200+.

Basically, The only way to kill Arceus with that plate is through traps and status conditions (Poison, leech seed, infestation, etc.) and even then, it would outspeeding nearly everyone else.

>>58894899
Yeah, imagine that. The god of the pokemon would that canonically created every pokemon would be... strong.

>>58894992
The exact same held true of uber originally. And actually, gen 9 has as many AG mons as gen 1 has uber ones. We're getting dangerously close to the "uber is the new OU" meme becoming real.

>>58902337
>it will double the power of Judgement to be 200+
More like 400+. Most pokemon have two types.
Which is also why every attempt at having a type like this in fakemon metagames has always been a disaster. Even a 40 bp move is completely busted if you hit 90% of the meta quad super effectively. Imagine if every wall in the game was Aggron.

>>58895226
just remembered that time i actually managed to snipe a few garchomps and landos in gen 6 with scarf unown in the 1300s

>>58896599
they already weren't legal for VGC, so this just makes your old event pokemon lamer. Absolute giganigger move, glad I dropped out of nugens after usum

>>58903194
Sword & Shield had an NPC that made your mon legal by resetting its moveset, then they made that an automatic "feature."

>>58903147
Aaaand eventually the same shit will happen to AG unless gayfreak mans up

>>58905660
Legend Plate doesn't have the 1.2x boost, so there is that ig

>>58905666
It also changes your type when attacking, and randomly chooses what will be super effective. That won't necessarily be one that resists the opposing mon.
Eelektross would also wall it.

>>58905783
Except that Eelektross is bad. And a Pokémon can have 4 moves, you can imagine that countering its judgment isn't enough.

>>58894878
these creatively bankrupt devs...just how much will they pilfer from jade cocoon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL7hC_hfJhM

>>58894899
So it's just Protean with an item slot penalty?

>>58906486
Protean without the move slot penalty. You could use only Judgement and fill the other 3 slots with anything you wanted.

>>58906498
Move slot penalty?
Protean is an ability not a move.

>>58906507
Protean needs you to use different offensive moves to really take advantage of it. Legend Plate Arceus can just run Recover, Calm Mind, and Refresh to go with Judgement.

>>58906510
Oh riiight i forgot about that.
But even then, Arceus has been heavily speed crept in recent generations so it's still reasonably manageable even with Legend Plate, especially on turn 1 since it will always start on Normal and fighting really hits fucking hard.

>>58906516
You need to lead into it and hope they don't switch out. Arceus also learns a lot of moves that would allow it to prepare if a fighting mon isn't in.

>>58906519
'Rio Z ends it here and there, the Urshifus as well, it's probably manageable in Ubers since i can name counters.

>>58894878
Do people still use special moves with Arceus? It was always a physical set the few times I went into that tier. Unless it's just this item that makes Judgement great again

>>58907115
They do for most of the plated Arceus.

>>58907115
Extreme killer is very popular but even special variants sometimes run extreme speed to finish out stuff

>>58894878
The real question is what would Arceus’s fourth move be? It doesn’t need coverage moves because Judgment will always hit super effectively, and Calm Mind and Recover are givens. It has a fuckhuge movepool, but does it even need a fourth move with how broken an always SE Judgment is?

>>58903185
nice

>>58894899
Good

>>58907666
-Refresh to remove poison, burns, or paralysis.
-Agility if you want to surprise heavy offense teams
-Extrem Speed for the priority in order to defeat a Pokemon whose KO we missed
-Sleeptalk provided you replace Recover with Rest (this removes poison, paralysis, and burn and also grants even more PP on Judgment).
-Ice Beam or another special move with a good offensive type that hits all types is to save Judgment's PP and counter Eleektross and Electric-type with Air Balloon
-Substitute that's always a good option, maybe ?
-Taunt or Thunderwave or Will O Wisp, maybe ?

>>58906486
No, Protean changes the user's type depending on the move they're going to use. Furthermore, it can only change once now as long as they don't switch.

Legends Plates changes Arceus's type and the type of its signature move every time you choose to use Judgment.

Before attacking, it will change its type to a type that's super effective against the opponent.

While you do need to hold an item, it's much stronger than Protean because you hit super effectively every time. I'd even say it's better than Protean before its nerf, because even though you could change types at will, it wasn't a guaranteed super effective move.

>>58908958
So judgment is a super effective move (x2) with stab (x1.5), so 100x2x1.5=300.
Or even 100x4x1.5 with rng so 600.
On a thing that has 120 speed, holy shit.
Yeah it's op, but the worst part is it making Lucario Z obligatory, AG.

>>58894899
Protean is actually better as it applies to any move while Arceus is locked to Judgement for type change. Any mon running disable could fuck that all up.

>>58910236
True, but that would require burning a move slot on Disable

>>58910236
No it’s not.
Changing types so that 1 move is guaranteed to be super effective against everything besides the Eelektross line is way more broken than Protean ever could be.
With Legends Plate, you ONLY need Judgement to beat all but 1 Pokemon, which said Pokemon is a non problem anyways as its frail as shit anyways. Judgement, Recover, Refresh, and Calm Mind beats everything.

>>58910236
And how do you plan on actually using disable? Arceus needs to use judgement before you can shut it off.

>>58910236
>disable
I can tell this plate would be one of THOSE items, so no

>>58910837
one of the based items

>this thing that Game Freak doesn't allow the player to use in multiplayer is OP
No shit.

>>58910369
>besides the Eelektross line
and electric types holding air balloon, and mons with levitate, flash fire etc. Its far from infallible and can easily be predicted and played by opponents (eg bringing a team of mons with nullifying abilities/items against the type arceus changes into that will make the move useless, essentially making it have 3 moves). Protean would give the player the option to switch things up and make opponent guess. Plus 120 sp attack is fuck all compared to the heavy hitters around today, especially since it cant boost it with held items.

>>58913171
120 special attack is disappointing for a glass cannon that will only get off a few attacks before going down. For something with 120/120/120 defenses it is more than sufficient.

>>58913171
>Plus 120 sp attack is fuck all compared to the heavy hitters around today,
those arent always SE

>>58913177
>For something with 120/120/120 defenses it is more than sufficient.
Not when you can predict what it will turn into and hit it SE yourself

>>58913171
>>58913253
wtf so you need the whole team to counter this thing and that's ok?

>>58913710
Blissey walls it.

>>58913891
Blissey loses to calm mind, Arceus only needs +1 to 2hko it.

>>58913891
>+2 252 SpA Arceus-Fighting (Timid) Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey (Calm) : 360-426 (50.4 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Only 2 Calm Minds to two-shot a Calm-natured Blissey with 252 EVs in HP and Special Defense. Often, people invest in Defense, which would make it even less durable.

I used a theoretical set of Arceus with Agility as its fourth move, hoping to outspeed Calyrex, Koraidon, Miraidon, or Zacian. So, a set not specifically designed to counter Blissey, and yet it's far from a perfect counter.
However, if its fourth move is Taunt, Substitute, Refresh, or even the Sleep Talk + Rest variant... Blissey has no chance of winning.

>>58914059
You're calcing with the fist plate. It's a low chance to 2HKO with 252 and a modest nature. Blissey can also Calm Mind in its face.

>>58914059
>>58914128
You also have space for Extreme Speed or something

>>58914893
I know, I've already mentioned it here >>58908500

I just wanted to avoid listing everything; after all, Extreme Speed isn't powerful enough on this Arceus set to hit Blissey hard.

>>58914143
>Blissey can also Calm Mind in its face.
What for, PP stalling? Blissey can't touch a calm mind Arceus without Seismic Toss.

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>>58907666
Taunt most likely. Legend Arceus would likely just run a mono attacker set that some variants already do. There's not much else it would need.

>>58905887
hence:>>58902337

>>58913253
Can you tho? Like, is it random as long as it is super effective or does it give priority to shit? Like, let's say I throw judgement at a Fug, will it prioritize Ice as it's x4? Or will it chose between it, Dragon and Fairy as they're all super effective?

>>58917323
It goes for the highest multiplier. If there are multiple types with the same multiplier, it will go for what has the most resists.

>>58917340
>one item does all that shit
goddamn they're planning to make even worse aren't they

>>58917635
It has to pick a type to change to somehow.

>>58917635
PLA was clearly designed as a single player game (this fact is more obvious just on the fact you can catch all Pokemon in the region without needing to trade with another player), and so they rewarded you with a busted item for the title Pokemon to play around with, since it was never intended to be used in a competitive setting

>>58919200
and yet they made zygarde 10 time more busted in the following game

>>58919206
Game Freak is just retarded

>>58919206
zygarde is a gimmicky meme, especially mega zy

Would still get gaped and plapped by paradox spam.

>>58919200
but all the other busted shit right now is designed for a competitive setting lmao

>>58906486
Also has more than 4 choices

>>58913253
>Just predict what it turns into!
What Pokemon is surviving a hit and KOing Arceus back with just coverage?
Keep in mind, Legends Plate also uses the best mono typing.
If you’re a Ghost type, Arceus will become Dark type.
If you’re Fighting/Ghost, it’ll be either Fairy or Flying so that’s also random too.

>>58922238
And?
You effectively have 17 moves with 100 BP and it auto selects which mono typing best beats a target. Only the bulkiest of Pokemon are surviving since its also always super effective outside of Eeleektross, which isn’t even bulky.

>>58922640
Kyogre/Groudon eat grass type judgment and take it out with choice specs blizzard/Fire Blast
White Kyurem takes a steel type judgement and kills it with Choice Specs Fusion Flare
Xurkitree can also hold air balloon to nullify ground type judgement and almost kills it with grass knot (and thats without any beast boost active)

>>58923028
The problem with Specs Blizzard on Kyogre is it's a 50% accurate move since Rain is up, and the problem with fire Blast Specs Groudon is that you're using Specs Groudon. Would Heat Crash not be enough?

>>58923028
They get 2hko'd and neither of those are faster so you need to have the initiative for those to work i don't know how the plate would work when arceus is switched in but if it automatically gives it a resist it will have alot of easy entry points and it's already very bulky by default.

>>58923126
Blizzard doesn't have any accuracy debuff in rain.

>>58919206
Hopefully champions can make it so there's always a regulation without restricted mons available
And I mean, Zygarde needs at least one turn where it survives in order to get to 100% and mega evolve

>>58923028
Arceus KOs Kyogre easily after a Calm Mind
+1 132+ SpA Arceus Judgment vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 348-410 (102 - 120.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Arceus also can survive a Specs Blizzard from Kyogre even without a Calm Mind.
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Blizzard vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 342-404 (77.2 - 91.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
You then have to also consider that Arceus could very well Calm Mind first, which means Blizzard is only doing 45% at best.
And Groudon just fucking dies
132+ SpA Arceus Judgment vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Groudon: 338-398 (99.1 - 116.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

>>58919206
In all honesty, mega Zygarde's gain in sp. attack renders it useless in physical stat, which was its strong suit. Arceus with legend plate on the other hand is busted without trade-off.

>>58919206
I don’t think it’s that busted, it has a convoluted way to mega evolve and has to cripple itself while waiting to transform

Arceus doesn't really need Multitype for its type changing to function the way it does, they could've coded it so the plates themselves were what changed Arceus' type, sort of like how Giratina doesn't need a specific ability to change it into its Origin Form, it just has to hold the Griseous Orb.
This means Arceus effectively doesn't have an ability and could've been made even stronger from the very beginning, which is a very funny showing of restraint on Gamefreak's part considering that Arceus still shat on absolutely everything in gen 4, even as Farceus.

>>58923632
>after a Calm Mind
anon...

Big "mega fug is not broken, Golduck with Cloud Nine is right there" energy on this thread

And yes it would be insanely broken
>But what about muh Eelektross
Assuming Eelektross can even switch in, Singles is 6v6, you can just dedicate ther other 5 slots to deal with those edge cases and sweep
>But you can run disable
Good luck switching in. Arceus can just switch out come back later and destroy everything

I just want the Silver League to come back

>>58924008
What?
If Arceus got legend plate, it would run Judgement, Calm Mind, Recover, and a 4th move.
Arceus is both faster, and Arceus can just Calm Mind when Kyogre switches in.

>>58923028
Arceus would become Fairy against Kyurem since its primary type is Dragon.

>>58894878
sounds like it would be glorious

Arceus would easily surpass Mega Rayquaza as the most broken Pokemon if Legend Plate existed in game.
Because it has smart targeting, Arceus has a guaranteed 200 BP STAB option at minimum.
People are already freaking out over Mega Zygarde with Nihil Light, and that has some Exodia type of requirements and Mega Zygarde itself being worse outside of raw Special Attack.
Arceus is faster, effectively bulkier with how Legend Plate works, and can boost its SpA, has reliable recovery, etc.

>>58923141
Doesn't it only change type right before using Judgement? It'd be Normal when switching in

>>58923913
So, give it "good as gold" which made it immune to all status condition an it will still be OP.

>>58924437
kyogre can hold Weakness policy, survive the grass judgment for a +2 boost and blizzard back to OHKO it. hell a ton of bulky mons will be holding WP with defense investment if legends plate was real for a guaranteed Atk and SpA boost without needing to use a separate move

>>58894878
Arceus will switch type for both offense and defense; making all incoming moves ineffective while it sweep through the entire team.

>>58926093
>Erm actually you can beat LP Arceus if your opponent is a fucking retard and use this dogshit set!
Arceus just Calm Minds turn 1. Since its faster with enough investment, it can get a +1 SpD before Kyogre uses an attack.
252+ SpA Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. +1 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus in Rain: 187-222 (42.1 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. +2 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus in Rain: 142-168 (31.9 - 37.8%) -- 92.4% chance to 3HKO
Both calcs using Arceus Normal. And after +2 Kyogre gets KO’d by Judgement.
+2 240+ SpA Arceus Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Kyogre: 384-452 (95 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
Even in the made up scenario where your Weakness Policy Kyogre can have maxed out EVs and multiple natures, you are still losing to a competent player.
Or you just lose to a retard who doesn’t Calm Mind first because you miss with Blizzard.

>>58926093
>Running Weakness Policy on Kyogre
>Running Blizzard on Kyogre
>Implying Arceus can't just boost in Kyogre's face
This is one of the stupidest posts ever made on this board

>>58926182
>Changes the moveset to some fanfic shit to try and drum up a win and still fucks up since kyogre can also calm mind turn 1
Thank you for your concession
>>58926190
>No argument
Thank you for your concession

>>58926207
>Kyogre can also Calm Mind turn 1
Your hypothetical scenario involves using Kyogre to counter Arceus, you're the one switching in. And running Blizzard and Weakness Policy makes you significantly worse against the rest of the meta, you're now relying on a 70% chance to deal with the litany of Dragons running around Ubers and you are vulnerable to hazards.

>>58926207
By the way, if Kyogre gets into a Calm Mind war with Arceus-Legend, Kyogre will lose because Arceus is faster and has a recovery move, while Kyogre is relying on a 70% accurate move which will inevitably miss and give Arceus a free turn. And your Weakness Policy is pointless if you're already at +6.

>>58926243
>Your hypothetical scenario involves using Kyogre to counter Arceus
No Kyogre can also still be used to bait other mons who think its carrying choice specs and would switch to Arceus instead, allowing Kyogre to get a free rain boosted hit on it.
>>58926257
70% still hits most of the time and it just needs to hit once. If theyre both at +6 Kyogre can just icy wind to drop its speed while eating the judgment, just live ES then hit it with blizzard to KO it especially if it got hit on switch in or has stealth rock damage

>>58926334
>Kyogre can also still be used to bait other mons who think its carrying choice specs and would switch to Arceus instead
If this Kyogre set is the only thing capable of beating Arceus-Legend (which it isn't, by the way, because it still loses), then no one will switch Arceus-Legend into Kyogre. Instead, they'll switch in a Water-type because you're apparently not running Thunder and therefore can't hurt Water-types.

Also, you do not need to hit Blizzard once, Blizzard does not OHKO if they have equal boosts so Arceus can just Recover off the damage until you miss. Besides, a smart Arceus player would just spam Calm Mind and stay a Normal type. And even if you predict this and use Water Spout, I did the calc and Arceus will stay alive for 5 turns if it is at +1 and spams Recover, at which point rain will be gone and you will be unable to continue dealing damage.

>>58894878
Arceus sweeped the entire fucking team.
End of Discussion.

>>58926362
Sorry, I meant Arceus will survive 5 Water Spouts if it is at +2, which it should be as it boosts once as Kyogre switches in and a second time as Kyogre attacks. And if the Arceus decides to attack at any point when you use Water Spout then you're fucked.

>>58926362
>If this Kyogre set is the only thing capable of beating Arceus-Legend (which it isn't, by the way, because it still loses), then no one will switch Arceus-Legend into Kyogre. Instead, they'll switch in a Water-type because you're apparently not running Thunder and therefore can't hurt Water-types.
Wrong again, kyogre can also still carry Thunder exactly for those situations which will hurt a water type mon quite a bit and get some chip damage on normal Arceus that will even better allow for a KO
>Also, you do not need to hit Blizzard once, Blizzard does not OHKO if they have equal boosts so Arceus can just Recover off the damage until you miss. Besides, a smart Arceus player would just spam Calm Mind and stay a Normal type. And even if you predict this and use Water Spout, I did the calc and Arceus will stay alive for 5 turns if it is at +1 and spams Recover, at which point rain will be gone and you will be unable to continue dealing damage
Kyogre would go for Thunder to damage it which also have a high chance of paralysis if Arceus starts spamming calm minds or recovers then calm mind itself once para is in effect. When para'd half the time arceus wouldnt able to do anything then if it did its will move second. Even if Arceus uses refresh thats a wasted turn Kyogre can use to get a calm mind off or hit it again. If arceus did use judgment then thats when blizzard will come into play which would definitely KO arceus if it has the calm mind lead and wp activates on top of that and Arceus has residual damage, otherwise it could just just origin pulse while the rain is up which does over 50% that arceus cant recover fully from until arceus is dead

>>58926207
>Changes the moveset
I didn’t change anything, retard. The initial set is Judgement, Calm Mind, Recover, and a 4th move.
>Kyogre can use Calm Mind
So you’re using Calm Mind Kyogre with Weakness Policy, Blizzard, and pressumably Origin Pulse?
Besides the fact that set sucks ass, Arceus easily wins because its faster and has recover.
Maybe actually think about how the match up would play out before you post.

>>58926411
>Wrong again, kyogre can also still carry Thunder
So you're running Calm Mind, Blizzard, Icy Wind, and Thunder? Congrats, now you have no STAB and your Kyogre does utterly pathetic damage to Arceus before it changes type.

Also, you are basically saying that for this Kyogre to beat Arceus it needs to guess correctly LITERALLY every single turn and also get perfect luck? Because if you make one wrong guess or don't get a paralysis proc then you just lose.

>>58926417
And that’s if Arceus’s 4th move isn’t Taunt.
Taunt prevents Calm Mind so you can just boost until Kyogre dies in 1 hit.

This thread is why you shouldn't smoke while pregnant

>>58926417
>>58926425
>He doesnt know that you can switch up movesets or held items depending what the current meta is and its likely there will many different kyogre sets going around and hard to tell which is which off the bat
>He assumes the Arceus user will perfectly predict whether the kyogre is carrying WP or choice specs, know whether its going to calm mind or not and that it wont waste a turn taunting or ESing only to get choice specs water spouted, judgementing only to get WP +2 Blizzarded or calm minding repeatedly only to be pelted with non stop water spouts and thunders until it cant heal anymore or get para'd
The projection is palpable

>>58926590
The Arceus user doesn't need to predict the set, if they use CM while Kyogre switches in and then another CM on the next turn, they will always win no matter what set Kyogre is running. I already explained how Arceus beats your retarded Weakness Policy set, and if it turns out to be Specs then Arceus just outspeeds and OHKOs it with +2 Judgment.

>>58926596
Youre always assuming that Kyogre is switchong into Arceus not the other way arpund like retard, thats what youre not getting. Arceus gets blasted when switching in and then has to perfectly predict what set Kyogre is running otherwise it gets fucked up

>>58926608
Why the fuck would anyone with a pulse switch Arceus into Kyogre when, according to you, Kyogre counters Arceus?

>>58926611
Never said anything about countering dumbfuck read the thread again

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>>58926617
IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT KYOGRE BEATS ARCEUS THEN WHY THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN MAKING THAT EXACT ARGUMENT, YOU FUCKING NEANDERTHAL

>>58926620
>He doesnt know what a "counter" is
Ohnonono

>>58926620
Based, always expose the jeet who's never played a match

>>58926620
>gets baited this hard
This is just embarrassing anon

The hypothetical ways in which you would beat Legend plate arceus don't out number the ways it can beat you. The same thing happened with primal groudon.

Now that the two browns who know nothing about competitive have fucked off, lets back to the question: yes it would break the meta completely. It essentially creates a 200BP special move off 120 SpA, fucking crazy. Basically a spammable self-destruct. Add in the fact that Arceus has 120 base speed to move first most of the time and can carry three other moves in addition to that (and i being almost impossible to tell apart from Extreme killer when it comes in fresh) and it will be very hard to play against it. Can only imagine how much worse things would get if it also functioned like it did in PLA with it being used on Arceus outside of battle would be enough to trigger a "Legends" form meaning it can also hold an item too. Choice specs/scarf would be all it would need to run a train on absolutely everything.

>>58926620
Let me guess. The 'cordjeet was "only pretending to be retarded" and is now some totally innocent bystander who is totally an old poster from years ago.

>>58894878
To put it bluntly, yes: there's no counter to legends plate Arceus.

>>58926620
Kek imagine being this new

>>58926620
One that's supposed to be "Irish" but sounds closer to northern Australian because it's not like someone who can't speak English can tell them apart

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>>58926620
>when zoomfags realize they can't read and start malding

>>58926620
You gotta stop handing out free (You)s

>>58926620
Definitely. Never click on those posts because that thing gets paid per reply

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>>58894878
The real question you should be asking is how would they nerf a PvE object for a PvP game?

For example, a Tera-Type is only viable for Tera-raids; thus it handicaped Terapagoes in competitive play as it can't hit as hard or last as long.

I suggest that, as to give Tera a fair shot, take >>58902337's idea for Arceus exclusive type and make it weak to Tera-type. and to make it a bit fair, Legend type plate locked the Llama out of Terasilization, thus giving it a counter.

>>58933252
Just make it work like gen 9 Protean.

>>58933439
I don think nerfed protein would be a wise idea.

>>58933252
Legend Plate should just make Judgement and Arceus typeless, and give a 80% boost to mimic the other plates (STAB * 1.2 is 1.8)
It’d still be useful. Nothing would resist your move so you could still run 1 attack, and nothing is super effective against you. But you can’t hit anything super effectively, and you no longer resist attacks.

>>58934194
There's still an issue of a hard counter though; what Pokémon and build would be able to at most 2hKO them.

>>58934377
Well Arceus being typeless means it doesn't auto resist your primary STAB, so its a lot easier to 2HKO with physical attacks.
Additionally, its much easier to tank since its not Super Effective anymore. It gets a x1.8 boost, but that's to mimic other plates providing STAB and their respective boosts. Before it would always be super effective (besides like Eeleektross), which made it 300 BP or 600 BP after STAB. A lot more Pokemon are able to tank a 180 BP move than 300 BP move.

>>58934102
It's the only way I can think of keeping the type changing gimmick while also giving it counterplay.

>>58934655
So a Stellar Terapagos can still kill it.

>>58933252
Would be nice if there were more of these things that work differently in single-player vs PVP

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>>58935297
I think that many of the single player experience should be nerfed to even things out on the competitive field. For example: if Eternamax Eternatus were to be an obtainable form, their defense, special defense, and HP would be severely nerfed as they're no longer a boss monster.

>>58936900
The Pokémon you fought won't be the same Pokémon you caught.

Let me put it like this, boss Pokémon have higher stats when you battle them; but when captured, their stats nerfed significantly.

>>58894899
Is there even a way to try it out on Showdown?

>>58939659
Some fangames are available there, so I was wondering if there was anything with PLA or this item lol

>>58923579
If Zygarde has to be in its complete form in order to Mega Evolve, then you won't be given the option to Mega Evolve it while it's in its 50% form, so in order to get Mega Zygarde on the field, you'd have to give up an item slot in addition to spending a minimum of two turns with Zygarde out, the first so Zygarde can potentially lose half of its HP and the second Mega Evolving while not being able to use Nihil Light because Zygarde wasn't already Mega Evolved when you were choosing its move.
>Zygarde can't get it going!

>>58940518
Would be funny if it got Belly Drum

>>58941820
I guess if things like Legend Plate ever become legal

>>58940444
Does anyone play those custom formats or are you gonna be there for days before anyone shows up lol

>>58943167
Need to organize events beforehand

>>58894878
the meta right now could use a lot of breaking

>>58894878
>>58894899
I don't suppose there are any fangames or romhacks with this thing

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>>58945770
There's a tech demo with it if you want to try it out. You'll have to complete the dex to get it though.

>>58945772
I'm not that desperate

>>58945772
any pla romhacks?

>>58945770
>>58946934
Feels like I've been seeing less Essentials games lately

>>58947483
I prefer Essentials since they're easier to edit, but I'll figure out romhacks eventually

>>58923657
didn't look at the new megas much but aren't a lot of them like that, suddenly boosting the other attack stat

>>58894899
Is AG even that active? Sad thing is it might still be doing better than the older gen lower tiers

>>58949644
>older gen lower tiers
some of those are still alive, sorta

>>58894899
>>58894924
gotta admit it'd be funny as hell

>>58894992
didn't realize there was another funbro, I really should peek there more often

>>58896599

I dont know why Gamefreak thought this was a good idea. Why even sub to Pokemon home if they can gimp your Pokemon retroactively? I liked trading back from FR/LG to get throwback moves like Seismic Toss on Chansey. Back then some of those moves were still useful in competitive.

>>58952005
It's even worse when you have a very rare event move lol

>>58952005
not just that, those pokemon were special ones that you held onto ever since the earlier games or events only to get gutted like that

>>58952005
They'd still be useful. Losing Scald or Toxic can really fuck up a 'mon

>>58952005
It all makes sense when you see the standard-issue marketing lines they use here

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Will Silvally get a legend memory or any buff since its a clone of Arceus?

>>58952005
Probably to stop people from abusing certain abilities and moves. No Guard Machamp with Fissure comes to mind.

>>58955314
retard

>>58955314
Maybe when Legends Silvally comes out, so never lol

>>58952005
It's to ensure all Pokémon within said given game is on an even playing field for newcomers of the series.

>>58957576
Or they could've made those moves available again

>>58955370
That is easily solved by not getting rid of competitive marks.

>>58957576
>>58958036
This, make them egg moves or put them on the relearner or something

>>58955314
>Silvally now can access each type like Rotom and Deoxys can with an overworld item
>You can also do this with Silvally's secondary type
>You can now give Silvally ANY typing you want without an item
>If you do decide to use a Memory, it will still determine Multi-Attack's typing
There I fixed Silvally.

>>58957576
You can also even the playing field by making event 'mons/moves and older TMs obtainable again.

>>58960022
That, however, brings up signature moves on other legendaries/mythicals (Fusion Flare/Bolt Victini). Unless there's a prize in Champions in the same vein of Stadium (amnesia psyduck), then there's no reason to allow moveset not recognized by the games themselves.

>>58960502
I meant obtainable in the mainline games themselves, by adding those moves to the relearner or tutors or TMs

>>58961410
I highly doubt it will occur, especially when it comes to legendary moves.

>>58961731
It's also unlikely that Silivally will get buffed or Legend Plate will be available in comp

>>58955370
Works in ZA

>>58897855
they cut toxic as a tm lol

Fun fact, this thing actually is in the code for SV, though it's obviously unobtainable, same with the blank plate. Obviously hacking it in and holding it doesn't actually do anything, which makes me wonder why they put it in the code at all. It was never a held item.

>>58935777
It has set base stats. Obviously it functions differently when it's a boss, but if you hack it into your party, it can still use it's retarded 1100 BST same as any other pokemon. It's defense can get so high that its value overflows, and if you can get its defense to overflow to 0, because of the way damage is calculated, it actually can't be damaged by anything at all outside of passive damage.

>>58963862
They didn't "put" it there, it's a leftover from Legends Arceus.

>>58897855
A lot of 'mons shouldn't have Defog, or Scald, or Toxic, OR U-TURN. But the ones that should have those got fucked over. At least some of them got them back now

>>58964466
More things should have Defog.

>>58963890
Hence the boss exclusivity, it can't buff itself up without breaking the game.

Can you guys just let this thread die already?

>>58965269
Not until bump limit. There's so much to discuss.

>>58965192
It'd be nice to make everything in Ubers SP only

>>58964474
more than now at least

>>58966155
And OU

>>58966541
I miss Rotom and the genies having it.

>>58965323
idiot

So fuckers would an Eviolite for the offensive stats be good?

>>58967628
Scyther would appreciate it, but it wouldn't be a good item.
The current Eviolite isn't even good.

How does this fare, compared to Fishous Rend in the rain + going first?

>>58967522
yeah fuck the genies, they're the ones who deserved to lose it

>>58963982
they gave it new artwork for SV

>>58963982
Now why would SV have some shit copypasted from PLA? The games don't even work the same way...

>>58963862
Damn, would've been funny as hell if you could use it in the mainline battle system