gen 5 is just ugly I can't explain it

A mixture of HG/SS ans B/W minus the gay ass zooming in and out B/W do would be good. D/P/Pt are ugly.

>>58896639
it really doesn't matter they're practically the same thing

>>58896645
>I can't explain it
like all gen 5 detractors, yes

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HGSS optimized the 2.5d style that DPPt started, Gen 5 is altogether different. You could honestly make a really good argument for both HGSS and BW/2 depending on your tastes. HGSS, is kind of the optimized, final endpoint of the sprite style that was introduced in Gen 3, while Gen 5 breaks free of the skeleton set by the past games and does something new with it's much more ambitious use of camera angles, zoom ins and outs and more.
I will say it felt like Gen 5 was the first time the series actually tried to wow players with it's setpieces and environments, hearkening back to the style of PS1 JRPGs with pre-rendered backgrounds. I'd give it to Gen 5 for that, though I'm extremely fond of the look HGSS has.

>>58896639
The right one looks way uglier.

>>58896639
both good. depends on what you're going for.
the gen 5 can do verticality far better, but the gen 4 style is better at compact environments like forests or building interiors.

>>58896639
Gen 4
The 3D in gen 5 looks fucking horrendous

>>58896639
Prefer gen 5
Gen 4 has a little more of a toyetic look to it
Blockier and less natural

>>58896639
Gen 5 is the better visual style but Gen 4 has that quaint, cutesy pokemon charm to it that Gen 5 never rly captures.
Nothing in Gen 5 feels as cozy as something like Eterna Forest or Ecrutreak city.

>>58896652
Oh I can, I love to point out how much of a loser you are. But first unovaborts have to beg, so thank you:

Visually, the games are a mess. The attempt to mix pixel art with constant sprite animation results in environments that look cluttered, muddy, and cheap. The tiles are over-detailed, noisy, and oddly scaled, making towns and routes harder to read at a glance. Instead of clean, timeless pixel art like earlier generations, Unova’s world often looks like a prototype that never got properly refined. The heavy use of blur, zoom, and pseudo-3D camera angles only makes this worse, drawing attention to the low resolution and giving the impression of technical strain rather than polish. The Pokédex is bloated to an embarrassing degree. Generation 5 introduced a huge number of Pokémon, but many of them feel like filler designed purely to hit a numerical target. Entire evolutionary lines exist that add nothing mechanically, aesthetically, or conceptually to the game. A large portion of the roster feels redundant, forgettable, or lazily conceived, as if the designers were scrambling to recreate the original 151 by copying their roles with weaker replacements. When your region’s answer to classics is a trash bag, an ice cream cone, and a literal pile of gears, it is hard not to feel that the creative well was running dry.

This sense of artificial replacement extends to the gameplay structure. The games aggressively try to mimic Generation 1 while pretending to be innovative, resulting in a hollow reboot that lacks the charm of the original. Many Pokémon are blatant stand-ins for older favourites, but without the personality or memorability that made those originals iconic. Instead of expanding the Pokémon world, Gen 5 often feels like it is cosplaying as earlier generations, only with inferior substitutes.

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>>58896639
Gen 5 but good

>>58896741
>Gen 5 is the better visual style
no it isn't

>>58896639
gen 4. gen 5's artstyle in the overworld isn't bad though, i just wish it didn't zoom in and out so much

>>58896639
Gen 5, it was able to improve on the system of gen 4 and made it feel grander.

>>58896743
>wordswordswords
the left can't meme

>>58896795
>y-you can't explain it
>w-wait you explained it? uhhhh you said too many words and can't meme
This is pathetic anon.

they are so similar that its not worth discerning between them except to note that the 2dhd detracted from the experience of gen 5

>>58896803
You didn't explain anything. All you did was say a lot of lies in attempt to make your shitpost look better than it really is.

>>58896807
>Y-you were lying
Care to explain how? Or are you just going to wait for the janny to delete the post for you and pretend you won?

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>>58896639
we can directly compare the two and see that 5 is better

>>58896827
>proceeds to show that it looks worse

>>58896827
Why does gen 5 look so washed out?

>>58896639
gen 4 was better in terms of graphics. this BW2 fixed the bland overlay of BW though

>>58896639
5, easily. Lends itself better to Pokémon’s style. 4 is dragged down hard by DPPt even though HGSS are good.

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>>58896639
Imo gamefreak was more successful with what they were trying to achieve visually in gen 4 but gen 5 had a great foundation you could work off of to eventually make something like pic rel

>>58896809
Alright.
>The attempt to mix pixel art with constant sprite animation results in environments that look cluttered, muddy, and cheap.
Looks fine on original hardware. When you play it on an emulator it's gonna look bad. All DS games look bad on an emulator.
>The tiles are over-detailed, noisy, and oddly scaled, making towns and routes harder to read at a glance.
I don't know yawnie, I was able to see what a town or route had to offer with a glance and some exploration.
>Unova’s world often looks like a prototype that never got properly refined.
Have you seen how the actual prototypes looked? They were going for a different look to the Gen 4 games by having slightly more realistic chibis.
>The heavy use of blur, zoom, and pseudo-3D camera angles only makes this worse
Personally I see it as them trying and succeeding to emulate the awe and spectacle of those PS1 games where sprites were moving on a 3D model.
>The Pokédex is bloated to an embarrassing degree.
Only time I'm going to mention a post gen 5 game in this, but XY's dex is insanely bloated, even for Pokemon standards. Every route feels like one of those "Every pokemon in one region!" hacks. Unpolished and nonsensical.
>When your region’s answer to classics is a trash bag, an ice cream cone, and a literal pile of gears,
Don't look at Gen 1's gallery of monsters, including: a pile of sludge, a Poke ball, two magnets on a steel ball, a rock with arms, and a literal seal, down to the name.
>resulting in a hollow reboot that lacks the charm of the original.
Then why is Gen 5 just as remembered as much as the classics that started it all? Why is Gen 5 commonly seen as one of, if not the best generation of Pokemon?
>Many Pokémon are blatant stand-ins for older favourites, but without the personality or memorability that made those originals iconic.
I don't know, plenty of people love Trubbish and Chandelure.

Just admit you have a hate boner for the DS era because you were in diapers when it was new.

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Ah, so you went for the “wait for the thread to die and then respond without bumping it while hoping no one sees it because I already know I lost and I don’t want to embarrass myself” strategy this time. That’s sad, I guess the jannies couldn’t help you this time.

>>58897318
>no argument
I accept your concession. Looks like I win after all.

>>58897324
>Looks like I win after all
You and I both know this isn’t true, because otherwise you wouldn’t have had to resort to responding hours after the original poster. You’re the slimiest, most cowardly shitposter I’ve ever witnessed on this entire website.

>>58897351
But enough about yourself, yawnfag.

>>58896665
that's one of the big reasons I think gen 5 has so much staying power. It tries to keep players engaged even without relying on its brand. Feels like an actual RPG made to compete with RPGs.

>>58897396
>It tries to keep players engaged
With what?

>>58896645
It’s the color palettes and the poor mapping, BW1 Unova feels very cold, sterile and not lived-in. The quality of the assets themselves are generally fine (arguably better than 4), you can see a big difference between BW and not only parts of BW2 but any fan project that uses BW graphics in a proper engine.

>>58896665
>>58897396
I appreciate what they were trying to do with this, but honestly those setpieces failed to make much of an impression on me. places like the Distortion World, Spear Pillar, Bell Tower, or Goldenrod City were more memorable to me than any of the big backdrops in Unova.
maybe I was just starting to get too old for them to really imprint on me. idk. I have come to appreciate Gen 5 more than I did on release, but still the setpieces don't really do much for me. not trying to be a detractor. they're good games. I just don't really care about that aspect of them.

>>58896743
half of this has nothing to do with visual style

>>58897302
>XY's dex is insanely bloated
it is but bloat got it's start with B2W2 after the backlash to the small Unova only dex of BW
Who you blame for starting that modern trend depends on who you feel like.

>>58897400
With its setpieces and environments, like the previous post said?

>>58897302
oh btw retard you are not replying to the first poster who literally spoonfed you about why gen 5 is a poor taste product.

>>58897406
It’s because there’s ludonarrative dissonance with Gen 5, pretty much all of the set pieces (with the exception of Skyarrow Bridge and N’s castle) don’t accompany anything worthy or memorable. In the psx era final fantasy games, you see the fmvs when shit goes down in the plot. Even Castelia City itself feels very hollow because you can get your gym badge, leave and never have to return at any point in the plot.

>>58897414
>With its setpieces and environments
How do they keep the player engaged?

>>58896651
TPBP. They're so similar visually it's splitting hairs.

>>58897421
by having npcs block you and lead you around

>>58897420
THIS is one huge reason why linear games are bad btw, Ecruteak is the most important city in Johto’s lore and it’s also the crossroads you see once the game finally opens up, Goldenrod does what Castellia does as a wow factor but it’s also in proximity to multiple side content attractions and features a plot event related to its landmark, Mt. Coronet literally splits the region in two and you have to go through it multiple times including as a dungeon before the finale of the Team Galactic plot arc. It’s incredible to me that people think it’s a matter of taste or that linearity in a campaign doesn’t affect anything, no, it affects the literal game because IT IS THE LITERAL GAME

>>58897421
You being disingenuous doesn't make people more likely to agree with your stance you know

>>58897464
Why can’t you answer such a simple question?

>>58896639
Gen 5 had better sprites (both OW and pokemon) but the whole pseudo 3D made them a pixelated mess

>>58897426
why are you replying to your own post?

>>58898066
why are you responding to people hours after they post just to not bump the thread and hope they don’t respond back to you?

>>58896795
>rightoid cant understand more than 5 words
Woah

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Did we ever get an explanation for why all the Hoenn Pokemon got new sprites between Gen 4 and Gen 5?

>>58898127
they were obviously planning on making gen 3 remakes in the gen 5 engine like everyone thought they would only for their plans to shift, primarily because of the 3ds. Remember how bw2 came out on the ds after the 3ds released? that was unprecedented, and I don't think releasing a gen on a console once we've had a successor console has happened since either.

>>58898103
i've been asleep dude

>>58898151
They imagined Gen 5 to last until like 2014 or some shit based on some of the teraleak stuff, the DS wasn’t originally an outright successor to the gba, but a companion, so it’s not too crazy for them to think that the system would have such a long lifespan

>>58898151
>and I don't think releasing a gen on a console once we've had a successor console has happened since either.
Ultra sun and moon dropped like half a year after the switch

>>58898127
they didn't, those are the gen 3 models

>>58898268
>releasing a gen

>>58898268
ah true forgot about that

>>58896639
BW>HGSS>>>>>>>DPPt

DPPt I think are some of the worst looking games in the series.

>>58898293
that's just straight up wrong

>>58896743
>Says he cant explain it
>Gets assmad when called out, then goes on to fail to explain it

Well guess you were right about one thing at least.

>>58898300
I only remember because the shit storm over no switch games was hilarious

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>>58898347
you used gen 4 sprites so you obviously noticed and are just trying to shitpost (some do use gen 4 though)

>>58898389
i dont know if you're ESL or something but literally nothing in my picrel is a Gen 3 sprite

>>58896639
Gen 5 was always a very obvious downgrade in terms of visuals. Even as a 17 year old I hated the ugly overworld character sprites with the weird long arms and the excessive use of forced 3D with 2D pixel sprites. I also always hated the tweening with the Pokémon sprites. I liked the game but my God it's really ugly. Gen 4 looks so much nicer.

>>58898377
>Gets assmad when called out, then goes on to fail to explain it
this part never happened btw

>>58898468
>"explanation" consisted of a couple purely subjective claims with no examples followed by a total derail into commentary unrelated to visuals

Yes it did

>>58898480
>subjective
nope

>>58896639
Overworld in gen 5 looks slightly worse
Battles in gen 5 look drastically worse

>>58898103
people don't camp the board 24/7 like you do amigo

>>58898514
/thread

>>58898606
>said the guy camping the board 24/7 so he can watch when the thread is about to die and post last second without bumping it because he’s scared of being responded to

>>58897302
>still never addressed like a man
based unova defender

>>58898860
Why would it need to be addressed? We both know you already lost.

>>58896743
thanks SaarGPT

So many trvkes being dropped itt, ClaPoke fans are basically philosopher kings

>>58896639
Gen 4 style is peak Pokemon, would love to see someone try to make BW in Gen 4 some day

>>58898127
Gen 5 backlash ruined what would've been the best games in the series in Gen 5 Hoenn

>>58899480
Yeah imagine if we got ORAS except with worse graphics and fewer features, it would have been heckin kino

>>58897410
>BW2
300
>XY
500
they're not the same.

>>58899342
what the hells ClaPoke, Classic Pokemon?

>>58899722
>BW2
bloated
>XY
bloated
they're exactly the same.

>>58899724
ye gens 1-4

>>58899482
After bw2 was overflowing with content compared to xy? Come on.

>>58899482
they would've made a proper battle frontier

>>58899788
>After [lie]? Come on.

>>58899796
>HGSS has lazily copy pasted battle facilities from the preceding games
>ORAS has lazily copy pasted battle facilities from the preceding games
>FRLG has no battle facility period
>ORAS being in gen 5 for some reason means it would magically have a battle frontier even though BW2 didn’t even have one despite being an even lower effort game than a remake

>>58896639
Gen 4 overworld, Gen 5 battles.

>>58896639
I think the overworld was better in HGSS but I preferred the less chibi character sprites in Gen V

>>58899833
yawn

>>58899914
Playing BW2 will do that to ya

>>58897420
never rly thought about this, Castelia does have some cool buildings but yea, a lot of nothing

>>58896639
all the fawx 3d stuff in 5 is lame as fuck when you realize how linear everything is. yeah it's pretty but rather useless and sometimes ugly. I'd rather have the graphics from hgss

>>58897420
>ludonarrative dissonance
honestly this plagues pokemon games in general in my opinion
most "cutscenes" don't actually feature any unique character animations, hell the camera rarely ever even moves to even TRY and give a cinematic feel. it's just characters doing the walking animation in place until the 3ds, when they graduated to that one fucking idle animation hau/hop does
sure, when it does happen it's nice, but you only really see it a handful of times, usually with the box legendary and maybe starters. it's the same shit as sonic 06 where you get that full CG opening cutscene, then you cut to the in-engine cutscene.

>>58900352
Pokemon has always been pretty low-budget relative to how much money it makes, even in its most comfortable development era ever (DS). One can argue the plot is threadbare in most of the games but even stuff like finding Articuno in Seafoam islands could be made more exciting with unique assets or a full cutscene (pixel, animated, fmv or otherwise, depending on which game it is). Gen 5 also had the Xtransceiver which was pretty cool but they didn’t really use it for anything. With modern games I’m pretty blackpilled as far as the series reaching its potential after what the Teraleak revealed, the management and dev environment are both shit and they keep entering these build-and-destroy cycles. Ohmori has done some cool scenes (jellyfish Lusamine, the league in SM, the final Nemona battle) but they’re in mid, unfinished games so they don’t really resonate as much as even things from Gen 1 when they didn’t have the technology.

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I think gen 5 is a step up visually for almost everything except a few things which really harm the experience

Like the trees for example being 3D instead of sprites is good in paper but it seems like they gave up halway through and just stitched 2 flat sprites on a 3D object which makes the overworld feel even more fake

The camera work not account for the low resolution of the DS screen, creating horrible distorted imagery is of course an obvious deterrent

And finally the backsprites, i think that was the biggest turn off for me back in 2010, being able to see the whole body of your Pokemon while it moves is cool but holy shit you can literally count every single pixel on screen

It's just 3 things, but they're 3 things that are on screen almost every single time which makes it hard to ignore

>>58900859
>but holy shit you can literally count every single pixel on screen
what did he mean by this? you can count every pixel on screen in any of the first 5 gens

>>58897396
>What if we tried to make Pokemon lean further into my moms standard JRPG
The problem is that Gen 5 tried to be something that no one asked for. Which shows because the people who like it don't actually like Pokemon.

>>58900895
What he said doesn’t even make sense, JRPGs aren’t inherently linear and piss easy with a milquetoast story written for toddlers

I think gen 5 fans just like to spam the term “JRPG” as a meaningless buzzword and pretend it’s praise

>>58900873
>what did he mean by this?
how to spot yawnfag 101

>>58900895
>linear and piss easy
>>58897396
>It tries to keep players engaged even without relying on its brand.
these are not the same thing lmao

>>58900933
>the game may not have difficulty…or exploration…or good graphics….but it keeps you engaged because there’s things on the screen
How is this in any way related to RPGs

>>58896639
I'd prefer gen 5 any time if it weren't for those UGLY backsprites

>>58900859
>The camera work not account for the low resolution of the DS screen
i think it accounts for it pretty well because i play gen 5 on a DS and it looks good
hell i play gen 5 on a 3ds with a bigger screen and it looks good
i think it's an emulator issue

>>58898127
Maybe some of them just needed to be in poses that were easier to animate.

>>58900941
Are you genuinely retarded?

>>58896639
I really dislike the 2.5D look but even this looks way better than the 3D shit that's being pushed since Gen 6 and GtI.

>>58896827
God DPPt was so ugly

>>58896639
I always thought gen 5 is ugly, then I replayed it on the ds lite. Gen5 has some weird looking, but it looks really great. Out of the gen4 games, only hgss looks good.

>>58897421
>How do they keep the player engaged?
>why do people like scenary and graphics in games????
are you dumb?

>>58900990
If I wanted pretty pictures I would go on google instead of playing a video game

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>>58896639
HGSS is the best
BW/B2W2 are more dynamic and impressive but also less consistent
DPPt looks good at times (Eterna Forest, Snowpoint, Caves) but most of the more generic locations look really garrish, the neon grass always bothered me.

>>58901023
This. 100% this. DPPts color schemes are way the fuck too saturated in most cases and look really awful. HGGS fixes this (though not a fan of how blobby the grass tiles look in HGGS, but minor complaint). DPPt's UI is also just really ugly, Gerber tier, with big bright colored panels and thick outlines for everything. Most of the game looks very childish.

Also while Gen 5 isnt exactly blowing minds advancement wise, Gen 4 was the first generation where they noticeably did not advance in any meaningful way visually. They spent most of that on 3D buildings, but that has so little actual effect on the look of the game that it doesnt matter.. otherwise, basically everything DPPt achieves visually could've been done on a GBA. Gen 5 at least goes more in on 3D visuals with dynamic camera angles, and battles actually displaying the full Pokemon, so its more worthy of being on the console its on.

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>>58901023
>Eterna Forest
worth noting it looks like shit in DP and only is saved by Platinum turning down the lights.
I played Platinum as a kid and only went back to DP later and was shocked that such an iconic moody location looked so bad in it's debut

>>58901062
Its a shame more of Gen 4 wasnt on par with Platinum Eterna, cause that does look really damn nice.

>>58901022
>If I wanted pretty pictures I would go on google instead of playing a video game
okay anon good for you, sadly everyone else loves good graphics. Wish you still all the best.

>>58901192
>sadly everyone else loves good graphics
The game doesn’t have that though. And even if it did, good graphics don’t keep people engaged if the gameplay isn’t good.

>>58901199
but the gameplay is good?

>>58901258
good how

>>58901274
normal pokemon gameplay, gym battles, catching pokemon, raising a team, its fun

>>58898172
>the DS wasn’t originally an outright successor to the gba, but a companion
this was always a blatant lie thanks to the inclusion of the gba slot

>>58901687
it was them hedging their bets. If the DS failed then they could pivot back over to the GBA, which still had plenty of gas. The inclusion of the GBA slot was to encourage more GBA game development, not to make it a true successor system at the outset.

>>58901687
Nah you’re right but they did want them to run concurrently for a little while before expecting the DS to supersede it eventually. There was also the fact that sony had the psp out announced the same time and there was more pressure to give bang for your buck in that era (compared to now where people are consoomer goycattle) so the gba slot was more of a selling point for the DS itself rather than a means of aging out the GBA.