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Tadpole Terrace Edition

>I want to learn the game, where do I begin?
Download PTCGL at https://tcg.pokemon.com/en-us/tcgl
The game has a quick tutorial and a bunch of decent decks to get you started against other beginners or against the AI. Some of those decks are very close to meta too. You can also go to your local game store and see if people are playing Pokémon.

>I know how to play, how do I make my own deck?
You have a decent beginner's guide at https://www.justinbasil.com/guide
There's also the old /tcg/ guide at https://imgur.com/a/W4NkOu6
After that, look up meta decks and try to reverse engineer them to see how things work.

>Where to find meta decks?
For big irl events, go to https://limitlesstcg.com/decks
For online events, go to https://play.limitlesstcg.com/decks?game=PTCG
For japanese events, go to https://pokecabook.com/archives/1417

Previous thread: >>58862987

Old /tcg/ pastebin: https://pastebin.com/Ge95YuMA

Rotation:
March 26th for online and April 10th for physical.
https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/2026-pokemon-tcg-standard-format-rotation-announcement
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Defines your meta for the next 3 years.
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What's a good Mega Emboar EX deck?
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>>58900616
You take Zard X and you swap Zard X for Emboar. It sucks.
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>>58900568
This shit ain't meta defining man.
>>58900616
Mega Emboar is not that good at the moment so people aren't really playing it. I guess you could just play a standard boring list with oricorio and add munkidori to offset the recoil since you don't actually need to attach to emboar manually. Probably good enough to win casual games somewhat but the average casual is ass so...
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>>58900568
>seething about a searcher in the searching-based game
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>>58900568
It's a sidegrade for an ultraball. Sometimes you want to discard cards and ultra allows you to find more stuff..
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>>58900568
one prizer stronk
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>>58900568
Surely this will cheapen once ETB's release, right? Right???
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>>58900800
Are they not included in starter decks?
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>>58900815
I don't think there will be starter decks for this set.
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>>58900800
I hope they'll be in prerelease kits
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>>58900568
>>58900800
It should be getting reprinted in the next set too. Since JP still doesn't have it in a proper set
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>>58901131
>Since JP still doesn't have it in a proper set
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>>58901191
That's in zygardes set, so yes we'll get a reprint
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PTCGL basically throws currency at you; should I be saving it / spending it on something specifically?
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>>58901953
Celebrations 6 packs are still the best for getting crafting currency I think, even after they lowered the value of it. Just dump it on that and you'll start getting a good amount after you get like 30 packs and fill out the collection.
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>>58901953
Like the other anon said, grab celebrations
Set is very small and only contains rares+ with no reverse holos, so you finish the set very quick and then start getting dupes for crafting currency. Since the set is rares+ you get a lot of currency per dupe

You pretty much always spend your currency on this unless you're wanting a cosmetic like some card sleeves which are bundled with something in the shop.
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best single prizer deck?
I know about
>Alakazam psychic draw
>Froslass Munkidori
>Festival lead
alakazam seems a bit better
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>>58903754
Rotom Box
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I turned heel on my local store (I'm playing froslass munkidori). They will pay their lack of Switch with PAIN.
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>>58903754
Rocket Spidops. They only deal 180 hp, but they have good protection with Rocket Articuno (to protect them before they are evolved), Rocket Mimikyu to do a surpise attack against a Tera and you can put a Rocket Mewtwo just in case you get a match against Mega Lucario or Alakazam. Never put your Rocket Mewtwo in the field if you don't need it.
180 hp with some tools can do 230 or 210 hp. You can one shot Ogrepon, Mew, Fezandipi and Latias.
You can also one shot Mega Absol, N's Zoroark and Marnie's Grimmsnarl.
You two shot everything else, but if they escape to the bench, you bring Rocket Sneasel.
You need some sacred ashes because you are going to zerg rush with the Spidops.
All the Rocket Supports are good in this deck. You don't even need that many energies because the Spidops only need 2 energies to attack and they can charge one from the discard pile.
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>>58903754
If we go by stats then zam>lass>lead

>>58904145
HAHAHAHHAA LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT
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>>58904190
I have a dream.
I have a soul.
Team Rocket will conquer the world.
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I forgot that Earthern Vessel rotates. I thought it was J instead of G for some reason.
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>Post rotation pult builds run sparkling crystal
It feels so good being vindicated against against faggots overcharging for neoupper.
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>>58904720
It seems like pult/bat and pult/noir uses neo upper and pult terabox uses crystal. Pult terabox seems to be about 50% of pults, making it the most popular.
>https://limitlesstcg.com/cards/TEF/162/decklists/jp?page=1
>https://limitlesstcg.com/cards/PRE/129/decklists/jp?page=1
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Is my idea or Mega Dragonite deck sucks?
I am playing my Rocket Deck without any post rotation card and I won against that deck even after bricking hard.
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>>58904720
Not sure why
>Arven isn't here to fetch crystal anymore
>Hilda or colress could grab you neo
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>>58904558
Vessel is a big one leaving yeah..
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My non meta current deck after removing all those unusable cards post rotation.
Energy Search was reprinted as J now so it can be used.
It's not that bad. Mewtwo is there as an insurance against a few mega, but it stays mostly in the hand. Spidops is in charge of damage while Sneaser snipes those who escape alive. It doesn't really work against Wally Compassion heavy decks.
This deck also bricks a lot because it doesn't have any pokémon that can draw, you completely rely on supporters and the stadium if it doesn't get discarded (and you still need to use a supporter).
I really want to replace Hilda with some team rocket, but finding the team rocket energy and Spidops at the same time is very useful.
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>>58904929
Noctowl can grab you tools, but it can't grab special energy
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>>58905038
You can if you tech an Hilda, you can remov one pokepad or poffin.
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>>58905054
Too often you would have to use dawn for a basic tera to activate noctowl for candy+crystal on turn 2, so you can't use a second supporter to search out neo upper.
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Budew is cancer incarnate.
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>>58905118
He's a silly little guy.
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>>58905118
>WAAHHHH WAAHHHHH LET ME TURBO IN MY TURN LASTING 5 MINUTES MASTURBATING MY DECK NONSTOP
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>TCG balanced for years around item lock being a luxury
>And often 2 sided effected
>What if we give it to a free retreating basic for 0 energy
If you could still play turn 1 supporters like when item lock was prevalent before. but now if you go first and get none of your set up items, you just lose.
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>>58900683
that doesn't bother me one iota, what bothers me is seeing sellers and collectorfags try to mark it up because they know players will want to use it, just like they did with the damp psyduck.
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>>58904145
stop, rocket's just isn't good.
>>58905118
it's a complete nonissue if you aren't playing shit.
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>>58905038
Love that Latias card
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>Iono rotates out
>Decide to build a max rarity Iono's Bellibolt deck
I love my wife.
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>>58905134
You say this like decks that run Budew don't do the same thing.
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>>58905946
Excuse you, that's one of my wives.
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>>58905956
>Age: Adult
Sorry anon, I'm legally obligated to sex the adult.
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TCGL's shuffling algorithm is cursed.
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>>58905475
This is just a taste of what every single other tcg player endures. Don't worry, it will likely go down once new products get released. This shit isn't even legal until march 6.
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>>58905026
>you completely rely on supporters and the stadium
>I really want to replace Hilda with some team rocket, but finding the team rocket energy and Spidops at the same time is very useful.
Being so reliant on TR cards but TPCI not giving you a way to find TR energy is another thing that annoys me about the archetype. Yeah you can use hilda but it feels awkward using anything that isn't a TR card since you don't get the benefits from the stadium.
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I'm actually really enjoying this Iono's Bellibolt / Raging Bolt deck the only issue is that it sucks.
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>>58906803
The template of this statement should be enshrined and hung in the halls of every TCG ever.
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>>58906355
I would have wanted at least a pokémon that helps with drawing.
Articuno has basic protection from effects, Moltres is a shitty ex with elimination niche, but Zapdos is just there to look pretty, they could have given Zapdos that ability.
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I wonder if this actually becomes a thing.
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>>58907311
This Iono deck looks very brickable.
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>>58907344
Running 4 Canari seems to do the deck a lot of good.
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This is what I ended up with. I hope they reprint Iono.
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>>58907614
An Iono deck without an Iono is blasphemy.
This wasn't the right time to rotate her out.
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>>58905118
>kill a 30HP 0-energy single prize basic
>OOPS GUESS YOU'RE WINNING NOW BUDDY, UNFAIR STAMP COUNTER CATCHER COUNTER CATCHER COUNTER CATCHER COUNTER CATCHER
aids
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>>58907830
I think you forgot the restriction on CC. But I suppose your monkey brain needs the dopamine hit of attacking and cannot conceive of leaving the bud alive until you're in a better spot.
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I finally reached the final ladder rank with my Rocket Deck.
Live decks are full of meme decks. I barely had a match with proper decks like Pult Pult or Pult. Everything was MeMe, Kangaskhan with Bouffalant + Munki (okay, this one isn't thaaaat bad), Hand Alakazam, Charizard ex (lol, it's a shit deck already and it's going to rotate soon), Loppuny, etc.
Will I find proper decks in Arceus rank or Live is just a place to test non competitive decks? I know I am the last person to wish to play against a proper deck since I was playing with Rocket.
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>>58907868
the higher you go up in arceus the more sweats there are. at least there should be. with live being in a different format than paper until next month there could be a few less grinders in high elo
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>>58907868
All I get is Charizard bots and Meganium bots.
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>>58907861
>better spot
like what? if you're under item lock and they aren't you are objectively setting up your strategy slower and slower than your opponent is
leaving budew alive each turn only makes things worse, not better
then when you kill it and it's 5 prizes to 6 this is apparently an insurmountable advantage you've now gotten
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G needs to be gone already.
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trying to cook up a tirtouga deck for post rotation

I'm thinking it's partnering with either mega froslass or mega starmie but I'm gonna have to try each out. Froslass makes your opponent want to empty their hand which is ideal but Starmie should make your opponent speed up as well.
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People are just playing the weirdest fucking slop tonight.
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>>58908091
One prize card is not worth giving your opponent all the advantages of killing their dew. That's 3 draws for them if they have a Fez up. It's a CC activation. It's making their Iono better than yours. Ideally you can set up with your benched and active effects and not just items. Is it slower than them? Yes, but if they put Budew up then they're stalling. They're already behind, and they don't care if you kill it. In fact they bank on you doing it because it puts the rhythm of the game to their control. But they cannot win just attacking with it. Knowing when to kill it and when to leave it up comes down to knowing the specific matchup and being good at the game. If you mindlessly nuke it the moment it comes down, and unless your opponent is in a spot so desperate no deck should be in it, you're doing what they want you to do.
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>>58908519
This only works when you didn't start bricked.
Like starting with just two dreepy and a bunch of items and when you decide to Iono, you get more items.
You have to misserably draw a card and end the turn while your opponent is comfortably building their field.
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Only bad players complain about Budew. If your entire strategy goes down the toilet by being item locked by a 30 hp liability you are failing fundamentally at the game. There's a very good reason that Budew isn't being represented in the vast majority of decks, you only need to realize why.
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>>58908745
Dragapult runs so much draw and search it's surprising this would happen. And it runs budew too. Some builds even run Tatsu.
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>>58908791
It was just the match I had last night.
Hand was a pair of Dreepy, a pair of Dragapult and a bunch of rare candies. It was an awful experience.
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Took Rocket's Honchkrow to locals and placed 3rd. Fun deck with great damage but sometimes it just bricks with very little you can do. Love the deck tho, I'm pretty sure I have an extremely solid 60
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>>58908838
Wouldn't a Hilda or two may help to brick less?
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>>58908856
I've given Hilda some thoughts but since there's no reliable way of hitting it then it doesn't seem like a consistent backup plan. Best you can do is thin the deck as much as you can before using your draw supporter/stadium.

Either way energy isn't usually the problem, it's just opening a dead hand with very little bounce back potential. If you can at least have an opening and followup supporter (typically Proton into Ariana) then you're in a great spot. But sometimes you just don't lol
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>>58908838
I haven't tried the deck so take my criticism with a grain of salt, but in my experience playing single prize piles I rarely get mileage out of counter catcher. I think the biggest problem with something like this is finding your energy so I think you'd get some pretty consistent mileage out of a copy of Colress' Tenacity, Fez, or the new Meowth when you have access to it. If you're reluctant to run a bench liability and go through your deck pretty fast, a copy of balloon might be nice to have a reliable pivot.
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>>58908772
>durr me dum dums
Go to your next regionals with a deck that doesn't have item cards and tell me how many games you win.
The answer will be none, but at least you made your opponent's budew useless.
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Thanks for telling the thread you don't understand this game conceptually. Lurk for a few weeks and try again when you're more learned.
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About the same as someone who thinks a 0 retreat 1 prize basic is a "liability" then.
Dicerolling every game on going second into itchy pollen while holding unfair stamp and counter catcher in hand means neither you are good at the game nor that you can educate others on how the game is played.
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>>58908930
And they will be utter jokes of a player right now. That is about as much skill as Arven->Ace Spec or Nest Ball->Latias Ex right now when none of these cards will be legal in a few weeks from now.
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>>58908890
That's cool, I'm open to any ideas. Lists rarely run any other Pokemon so you can get max value from all your Rocket supporters, although I've seen a Fez pop up in some lists every so often.

I was hesitant with Counter Catcher until I learned how the tempo of this deck goes. You won't be oneshotting every turn, so there's times where you'll have to pause your aggression and build up a new hand. CC lets you go back to a damaged Pokemon (or any key single prizer) that retreated while also being able to use a draw/disrupt supporter which swings the game heavily in your favor. Something that can also pop up is a T2 CC, where Pokes like Rotom Fan or Solrock can take an easy KO on their first turn. Having CC early in your hand can disrupt them heavily if their bench is still not fully set up.
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>>58908798
Run less candies? You generally don't want to candy the pult because the stage 1 is part of your engine anyway, the Charizard variant reserves them for the 'zard unless you're desperate for example and only runs a couple.
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>>58908892
Go to your next regionals with a deck that does have pokémon cards and tell me how many games you win.
The answer will be none, but at least you made your opponent's attacks useless.
^^^
This is what you sound like.
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>>58908930
>loses at deck creation
>"waaa you are le bad"
You suck so much ass at the game you fail to win before you even start playing. You're pathetic.
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>>58909079
That's fair. I reduced the candies to only 2. I used the candies mostly for Dusknoir. Nice little thing to take out annoying things.
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>>58909037
That makes sense, hence why I preemptively started my suggestion with recognizing that I'm not experienced with the deck. I was also thinking about tinkering with your pokemon lines but that also sounds a bit presumptuous as someone that doesn't play the deck, but conceptually speaking you tend to pivot into the Porygon line once your discard is stocked up so maybe 3-3-1 and 4-3 or running a third stretcher might be worth checking out if you're having issues transitioning in that part of the game. Apart from that you don't really have a lot of space to play with since the deck requires such a hefty blueprint but if you've not already done so you might find some ideas from city league and online lists if you're really itching for inspiration.
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>Half my games are still vs gardy
>I slow play all of them
>5 minutes left on my timer by the end of turn 2
>No one else is playing vs gardy
You're welcome
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>>58908798
Why the fuck are you running rare candy on dragapult, you retard? Unless it's dragacharizard but that deck tends to brick hard from time to time anyway. You are running 4x lillie and 4x Iono, right?
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>>58909205
Rare Candy and Crispin in PultNoir will be meta post rotation. With the G-Block trainer slop gone it needs to be run more aggressive.
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>>58908930
Unfair stamp isn't even ubiquitous to begin with, I don't know what you are complaining about. And budew is a liability when munkidori is on the meta, that's a free, on-demand prize later on.
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>>58909205
>that deck tends to brick hard from time to time anyway
A little, yeah. Sometimes it runs a tool as a one off despite playing Jamming Tower just so Arwen thins more.
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>>58909231
>that's a free, on-demand prize later on
Two prizer decks don't care about that too much.
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>>58909237
Nah they do. As it becomes trivial to hit 3 prize (or even 4 prize in case of megas) turns.
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>>58909205
The rare candies are useful for the Noirs. It's an instant 130 damage. 4 is a bit too much though, 2 are more than enough.
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>>58909246
If budew is that much of a problem for him then I would cute the candies for TM evo but I guess that's just me.
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>>58909261
Pult still wants to use their own budew even if they are getting item-locked. The best anti-budew tech to get your drakloaks going is Brock or Hilda.
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>LCS had free Secret Box in trades binder
feels good man
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>>58909246
>candies are useful for the Noirs
they're useful for noir but without lumineon v and fss it often seems like you're missing the pieces to pull off candy dusknoir. I can see candies returning when people start playing pult with the owls
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Shuffling usually results in a uniform distribution of cards with some clumping not drawing half of your deck to only get 2/16 energies.
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>>58908838
Who'd you have to kill to get 4 Poke Pads?
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>>58904931
I'll miss Ditto the most. It's helping me with my quad Jellicent deck
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>>58909522
Pads are not even legal right now.
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>>58909522
there's only a couple weeks between them being legal and them coming out in perfect order, hold the line
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>>58909100
Very tempted to run a 4-3 Honch line, so I'll keep that one in mind
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>>58909243
Anon, I meant being on the receiving end. You don't care if your opponent pings one because all your wincons give 2.
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>>58909522
Ur mum (it was an ASC legal local tourney, 80% of my deck was just proxies lol)
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>>58909732
>80% of my deck was just proxies lol
extreme cringe
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>>58909734
Yeah, fortunately.
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>gard players
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>>58909781
TWO MORE MONTHS
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Only matchups I really lose are being rotated.
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>>58909840
I'm confident TPC will print enough support to make mega Gardy meta within this year.
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>>58909734
I don't think Butterfree has had a single remotely playable card in the games history. Guess it's just destined to be pack filler
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Noob question, can you 'fail to find' with search cards the way you can in MtG, and does PTCGL represent this accurately?
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>>58910133
Which is crazy because he's got a dozen cards. Just like most bug types.

And fucking fossil bros.
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>>58910169
Yes to both questions.
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>>58910169
You can use searchers even if you don't have the cards in the deck. It's useful if your memory is bad and you don't remember which cards are in the deck (as tradition, I always use the first searcher card to see which cards were prized) or you want to shuffle after the cards you need were sent to the bottom.
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Time to tweak my Rocket Deck again. I will play with only 1 Mewtwo instead of 2. Those are more of a liability, even against Mega Lucario because they can just use 2 drinks while Spidops + Sneasel can kill it without risking losing 2 prizes.
Team Rocket deck are not that good, but it's fun to use. If only they had a supporter that helps to find energies or items besides the rocket transmitter.
Next week I am going to make a Weezing deck, it looks fun.
Something like 8 Koffin, 8 Weezing, 2 Terapagos and Area Zero. It may also cause some rage if you put the flip coin knock out Weezing on the fornt while you stall.
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>>58910421
I guess I will make something like this.
Maybe changing a Poké Pad with an Ultraball so I can find the Terapagos faster.
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>>58910399
Not what Fail to Find refers to.
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>>58910579
I played a couple games against this at locals recently and it seemed pretty fun to pilot.
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>>58910657
Isn't fail to find that you can say that you didn't find anything?
Like using a nestball and don't bring any pokémon in the bench because you "failed" to find.
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>>58910726
Yeah.
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what if someone fails to finds a basic with let's say nest ball, and a turn later they do pull one, even though they never recovered a basic from their discard or put one in their deck from the play area or hand?
you can argue that it was public knowledge that there was no basic, yet they played it again to pull one, as failing to find is that the card could not locate a basic, not that you didn't "see it"
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>>58910997
You can fail to find in the PTCG, full stop. The PTCG doesn't go by Yugioh rules or similar where cards like Nest Ball do not have an optional wording. In YGO you would not be able to legally play the card knowing you have no basics in your deck, but in the PTCG you can play the card and opt not to fulfill the conditions.
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>>58910997
It's not against the rules. You can fail on purpose and it doesn't matter. It can be used even be used as a way to shuffle your deck after you get Ionoed.



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