>>58902248
About 3K to 5K a week, but I like to update once a week to biweekly if I can. For reading, on a more irregular update schedule I prefer longer chapters and for shorter update schedules I prefer shorter chapters.

Reposting guide to writing professionally https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

Most of it feels straightforward, but it goes over specifics like how to launch of a story and how to transition to monetizing it

>>58902323
>making over $20,000/month on Patreon alone
For real? That number feels impossible, even if you’re talking about original stories and not fanfic.

>>58902323
>>58902413 (Me)
This went from “I should have been an author” to “I’m so glad I’m not an author” very quickly. This seems like the exact worst way to write a book if you care about quality. Are any of these stories good?

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>>58902471
No idea, but what he talks about is chapter based web serializations and specifically mentions its about quantity and leaning on tropes when you have to. He specifically mentions 1500-2500 a chapter 5-7 times a week rather than something longer. Quality definitely isn't the goal with it.

Here's a post from the guy who made that forum post. Dude made millions of dollars with his fiction

>>58902323
>>58902486
Holy shit, I should have written romance stuff back in the day

>>58902511
There's still a gamble at play, don't feel too much like you missed out on a sure thing. You never know if you'll be the lucky one. Writing trashy romance got me through college, but I never had any big breakout despite 5+ years of working at it.

>>58902526
bbw/weight gain does not count as romance, Pofag.

>>58902535
Different anon.

>>58902486
Yeah, the moment he started making fun of people who say “a chapter should be as long as it needs to be” I knew we were on very different wavelengths. I have no doubt this is the best way to make millions of dollars writing a story, but I can’t imagine producing something I’m proud of this way. Even as a reader I think I usually prefer the trad route where you get a new installment every two years but it’s very polished. It’s just that nobody does it that way in fanfic.
>3 million words
Unbelievable. Six War and Peaces worth of words in 5 years.

>>58902535
My prose is so shit I clearly didn’t go to college (for writing at least).

>>58902486
All those words just to say "Yeah 95% of my story is filler, deal with it."
Truly an expert in the art of padding and bullshitting others into thinking otherwise.

>>58902083
>Mundatorem
Tell me about it, SaS current fifth singularity arc could use a serious amount trimming or the cutting out of several characters because right now, I think there's like 4, secretly 5 or 6, factions being juggled and each chapter could genuinely be summed up in a paragraph and you wouldn't miss a single thing.
We are like 230k words deep in this arc and it doesn't feel like we've approached any midpoint or any way of solving the singularity and oops Morgan just nuked a town. I might be wrong, but I don't really want to go and reread it.
Doesn't help that every character feels stagnant as fuck since basically minimal amount of time has passed in the story.
I'm a little more tolerant of Demon in Fodlan but that's because there are less characters to juggle in my mind but still, the last couple of chapters can be summarized as
>Goetia talks to Lysithea
>She has a breakdown because Goetia sat on his ass for 100+ chapters

>Goetia turns to Byleth and others for help
>"just tell her you want to cure her"
>"of course fuuck, thats genius, why didnt i think of that???"

>gets his jaw shattered by Dimitri while Lysithea watches
>"look, i can fix you like i fixed my jaw"

and it takes 48k words to do 4 conversations? Half of Harry Potter and Sorcerers Stone?
The side stories are miles better despite being a fraction of the size because they aren't bogged down by dogshit pacing.

>>58902323
You can't monetize fanfics in RR so this means nothing in here

Question. Is it wrong to write/share smut of someone else's original character? Assume the character has only been used for SFW writing/art. Would you be happy if this happened? Angry?

>>58902749
Doing anything NSFW that involves someone else's SFW OC is probably going to make people think poorly of you.

>>58902749
who gives a fuck lol
but yeah they'll be pissed, you should do it.

>>58902749
It's not morally worse than writing harry potter characters fucking, but people get really attached to their ocs. You'd be gambling on the character owner's vibes essentially. Some people would be extremely upset, others flattered. Pretty sure you'd come across as a creep either way though.

>>58902749
There's no way not to make that weird, so go all in. Write the most abhorrent fetish shit that's ever been put to (digital) paper, and ruin that person's entire week. Write something that makes The 120 Days of Sodom look tame in comparison

>>58902749
If you did it with their OC and someone from the same story that they have a relationship with them, like shipping Spoon's protaganist with his future Gardevoir, it would be more fine than, say, writing a story where you or some OC fucks Vicky.

>>58902749
Just ask the author how they’d feel about it

>>58902754
Idk, nintendo made zoroark as a sfw character and i'm writing smut about her

>>58902749
Ask for permission first if you're worried. Ultimately what matters is how the oc's creator feels about it and how much you care about respecting their wishes. Some would be cool with it, others horrified since its a volatile topic. Of course if you're chad/cringe enough to go up to someone and ask if you can write porn of their OC then you're already working on another level.

>occasionally looking to see if I've gotten any new comments instead of actually reading or writing anything
I'm gonna be honest, I got really into retro achievements and thats been hogging my time. I should set some time aside to write once a week.

>>58903233
I've playing vidya instead of writing, i only have 1.5k words on a draft and just as much as notes for the rest of the chapter

>>58902670
nta but I don't know much about Fate, I dropped Demon of Fodlan sometime after they got out of the evil poor people basement underneath the church.
I wasn't found of the love hexagon around Goetia, just fuck the dragon pope already! But I think I remember him angsting about how he won't do anything to help the sickly girl, even if that's entirely his own fault.
He's kind of an annoying pompous butch who's useless so it's not out of character, but yeah I wish the story was more succinct.
Other than that I really hope the Kemo Desu/RWBY crossover Remnant's Nightmare gets contined. There's so few good fics for Kumo Desu Ga Nani ka and I'm already working I'm aleady working on other things so it's not like I have the free time to work on one myself. Besides the nature of the story would make me want to write a crossover and I haven't found a series that I both like and is as fitting as RWBY. Personally I'm not a fan of Jaunefics.
Has there been any interesting pokemon crossovers in that space?

>>58903334
RWBY has a rather popular one, Boldores and Boomsticks iirc which I didn't like

>>58903433
>Boldores and Boomsticks
Yeah I tried reading the first couple chapters and it just didn't grab me, hard to say why but I think it was the dialogue, the prose felt kind of clunky at times as well? I guess I also found the pokespeak annoying here, although I don't know why, most of the time I'm fine with it.
Also I found Gary's conversation with Tracy and Cypress weird, what's so unbelievable about a big monster that Gary would assume it's a Zoroark. It's kind of a convoluted explanation when I feel like a more natural assumption is what Gary said to Cypress earlier in the same chapter. It's an undiscovered pokemon, so he wants to catch it.
Basically anything can be a pokemon in the first place so the natural assumption is that Grimm are just weird pokemon and Gary's convoluted logic doesn't make sense from the point of view of a human from pokearth, it feels like the author is just trying to arbitrarily make him stupider which his weird assumption about how Grimm are SO unbelievable they have to be Zoroark using illusions.

>>58903650
>how Grimm are SO unbelievable they have to be Zoroark using illusions.
Iirc the author was wanking the Grimm to ridiculous levels like saying nobody in that world could face them because they emit some negativity aura fucking with your mind and soul and only the Remnant side could deal with them at the start. No idea what happened later beyond some shipping shit with Weiss' sister and Riley, and the usual RWBY faggotry

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>tfw strongly considering writing a Pokemon isekai

>>58903694
Isn't that every SI slop? Go ahead dude, you can only go up in that genre

>>58903700
we need to go deeper
>three full chapters of the SI's life before getting hit by a bus
>snarky random omnipotent being
>SI takes over a recently dead body whom had a family and friends and shit but they're never referenced again after the fact

>>58903719
Might as well have them satisfy some chosen one / Jesus mythos while you're at it so everyone's fawning over them and sucking their dick from the get-go. More efficient that way, too.

>>58903694
How bold

>>58903719
>All that
>Deeper
Uuuhhhh... I got some bad news buddy, that's common as fuck be it a gook novel or some random spacebattles SI slop

>>58903688
Right, I quit reading sometime at the start of the 6th chapter since the confusion about the fighting type tournament was starting to make me cringe but that sounds weird, I don't know why people Isekai characters just to wank a set of characters in another setting.
But I'm even more surprised people remember Riley exists at all. Then again he is a Lucario trainer, so if you want to fuck a Lucario as a human he's your best bet.

>>58902323
This was a genuinely interesting read and a good look at a different perspective and at how some things work.
It's obviously not gonna apply to someone who's writing for the hobby, because they have an autistic idea no one else will write, someone who's writing for a niche fandom, etc but even so a lot of the things there are universally applicable to writing in general and even if you aren't writing expressly for the purpose of money first and foremost you can still apply some of the things there to your own writing to monetize it a little as a not-side hustle so you can buy yourself the biggest pack of your favorite gacha currency once or twice per month or something like that.

>>58903986
I wish he went into more about promotion, I’m proud of the things I write but I’ve got no idea how to get my stories into people’s hands.

>>58904031
You can buy ads for your story on RR.
For us, it's just like what he said, partner with other author to promote stories, shill on other author's discords and on Reddit. Engagement bait on SB and QQ.

>>58904031
>but I’ve got no idea how to get my stories into people’s hands.
>Publishing a book on Amazon involves creating a free account on Kindle Direct Publishing (KDP), uploading your manuscript and cover files, and setting your price. Within 72 hours, your book can be available for sale in digital (eBook), paperback, or hardcover formats. Key steps include formatting your files, choosing keywords, and managing royalties.
The real hard part is getting readers because people don't read nowadays

>>58903722
you don't get it man clearly this npc with two lines of dialogue would instantly love the main character because she sees past all of his character traits and shit to see the truth beneath it all (the author's shit taste)
>>58903728
yes which is the opposite of going up in quality

>>58904046
Damn, the answer is always just “make friends and be annoying”

So everyone knows you need a loicense to fly. But do you need one to sail? Or ride?

>>58904105
Well we have at least one of those down.

>>58904057
But can he use aura tho?

>>58904129
only with the proper license

If your MC uses aura, you should have them get into a situation where their pokemon are stolen by the bad guys and they get captured, but fight their way out. Give the people what they want, a human beating down grunts and pokemon with their fists.

>>58904153
>Has Aura
>But is so much of a bitch their Pokemon get stolen despite being a Aura superhuman
>But is also somehow badass enough to recover them through Aura empowering and physical force afterwards
???

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>>58904153
Mostly this >>58904158
Like what's the point if you're gonna job hard enough (heh) to get your team stolen?

>>58904158
>>58904171
You're purposefully misunderstanding what's being said and misrepresenting it. You sound like retards. Have you even watched Pokemon?

>>58904192
>Haha see all you have to do is make your MC become Ash-tier retarded to engineer a forced development where his Pokemon are captured by the even bigger retards of TR
Again, terrible look for the MC.
If you wanna make your MC look that retarded despite the purpose of giving them Aura being to wank them then you do you.

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>>58904153
Unless it's thanks to something like pic related you're gonna look like a little bitch if you lose your team despite having superpowers

>>58903114
I don't really have a way to contact the author without hunting him down on Discord, which I refuse to do. The only thing stopping me from posting it is my respect for the author/artist. I think he would disaprove. It stings because I think it's some of my best work, and there are many others who would love the smut. I'll probably just keep it private.

>>58904203
Just post it anonymously.

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>*breaks your aura*
now what?

>>58904221
I keep a pocket full of ice cubes just for this occasion

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>>58904221
I send out my Flutter Mane who using my meta knowledge taught how to use its TCG Ability.

>>58904197
sleeping gas

>>58904195
Do you even read fiction? Can you even name a fiction where aura is used? You sound like someone who comes to these threads out of habit but never actually bothers with fiction.
Post a fan fiction of pokemon that you have read in the last month, I want to judge you.

>>58904244
nta, but I finished Spice and Fox recently, it was pretty good and I like the direction of the new arc.

>>58904031
Could do the shill for shill route. A few writers here do that. Be cool with other authors and shill their work while they shill yours in return. Now you both are advertised to wider reach than shilling just your own voice.

>>58904203
Change the names. Bam, problem solved.

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>multiverse conqueror Giovanni

>>58904046
RR Ads always lead to the most abysmal fuckin dogshit though
and believe me, I tried finding good things, I spent about a week clicking every ad, adding it to a list, and gave all of them at least 1 chapter
NONE of them were good, absolutely none

>>58904454
>LitRPG
>Cultivation
>Progression
Well damn

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>>58904244
outside of recs in this thread, I gave "dude isekai'd to the Godzilla-verse as Rayquaza" a chance, but its abysmal dogshit, complete fucking joke of a fic

whats the #1 thing you think of when you read that premise?
a small but intelligent Rayquaza fighting against massive fucking kaiju to protect the human race, assisting them and such?
or maybe have Rayquaza scaled up, and can properly duke it out with the kaiju, but gets mistaken as a monster and attacked by humanity as well? Driven into bitter exile?
or even have Rayquaza be the threat, where unfamiliarity with their new body is causing global natural disasters

No. Its none of those.
Its "lets make Rayquaza superduper OP nobody can beat him also godzilla is his friend and groudon and kyogre are his fwends too and they never fight and mothras there and they psychically talk and all the big bad evil guys are fought offscreen and only get a one sentence mention and all the nice humans made them all alcohol and they all got drunk yaaaay now lets have united nations politics cuz hoenn magically showed up and they're OP too"

>COMPLETE
>FUCKING
>ABYSMAL
>DOGSHIT

I'M STILL FUCKING MAD

>>58904489
also I'm not the fuck you were replying to, I just NEEDED to get that fucking out there

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>>58904448
>defeated by countless children with powerful monsters.
>got his monsters stolen by Orre Trainers.
>got melted by an angry Mew.

>>58904516
I still think Orre takes place in the future, we do know that their world is doomed going by Pokopia

>>58904120
Duh, and those would be even harder to acquire due to the dangers involved. Flying doesn't bother anyone much other than potentially cluttering airspace around a city, but sailing would disturb wild pokemon and could effect currents, and riding is a clear source of accidents in a city.

>>58904489
I was the one who posted about it. I hope didn't rec it in the same post because I dropped that shit after everyone sung kumbaya in Hoenn. But yeah, any of those other premises you mentioned would've been way better. I think once they introduced the ancient Aztec green glowies was when it jumped the shark.

>>58904489
Wew, and to think I was planning to read that soon. Thanks for saving me the time. The slow life genre can go to hell because I personally don't like it and things I don't like shouldn't exist.

>>58904665
>>58904489
I checked the upload dates and chapter length, looks like he's following the model talked about here >>58902323 In fact all of his stories look like that.
I can't really imagine how people can do that sort of thing, he's like a machine

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>>58904665
I saw the red flags going up, talking psychically to groudon and kyogre, defeating enemies offscreen, hoenn getting asspulled
and I thought, surely, when he gets to modern day, SURELY
SURELY.
FUCKING NOPE
WHAT DO I GET?
AN EVERYONE CLAPS MOMENT WHERE AN OLD MAN THROWS A TANTRUM IN A UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING
FUCK OFF

thats fucking vile, 1760 people on patreon support this trash?

>>58904684
you're fucking welcome

>>58904244
Actually this is just a fun question without all the judgement.
What’s a fic you’ve read this month that isn’t a regular talking point in the thread?

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Knowing how to punch doesn't give you aura?

>>58904963
>ywn grow up with your Riolu older brother

>>58904963
The secret is you have to close your eyes and try to feel your aura. It's a weird energy that's inside you, impossible to miss really. Then try to control it and it will move, real easy.
99.99% of people fuck up on the first step. Instead of trying to feel aura they end up feeling the need to apply for an aura license. But such a thing doesn't exist, throwing them for a loop. This is why all aura masters are hermits and retards who don't know what beaurocracy is.

>>58904717
It's a shame, I'd love to see a proper pokemon Kaiju fic, I already imagine a lot of legendaries as Kaiju. Although it's mostly the weather tri plus Zygarde.

>>58904940
Sadly not anything recently, I just started The Game of Champions but I'll probably have a new read by this time next week.

>>58904940
Depends on your definition of regular, but myself and at least one or two others started on Hyphen in the past two threads. I don't recall anyone ever talking about it before then.

Shower thought: Standard SI MC gets isekai'd to the Pokemon world, but in a twist actually really loved the people in his life back home and instead of going on a normal Pokemon wish-fulfillment journey founds a criminal Team with the goal of finding and controlling Hoopa in the hopes of bringing everyone he knew back home to his new world.

Further complication thought: Unaware of his goal, Hoopa and the trainers that fight as its guardian start INTENTIONALLY isekaiing the friends and family of the MC, but tell them he's become a power-mad monster and turn them into champions to battle against and destroy him.

>>58905213
The most evil trainer?

>>58905216
Never read it, is that the premise?

>>58904940
I only read thread fics.

>>58905217
Like a 70%? Also he's gay and has an adopted son

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>>58905213
>turn them into champions to battle against and destroy him.
>not having family and friends who will jump ship to your side even if you really were a power mad monster

>>58905224
Nta, but I've heard the fic fall off after the tournament arc but I've never had it explain why. Has anybody here read it, I'm bust with other fics at the moment.

Do you think sections where you have downtime in a town to learn new moves, buy supplies, and gather information are boring?

>>58905278
Some parts in the middle aren't great, like pointless aura developments that never amount to anything and a disappointing showdown with Lysandre, but on the whole I'd say it's definitely worth a read. I really liked his fight with Malva and the ending was solidly memorable enough to justify everything else.

Some people got really mad he turned out to be gay even though it's totally irrelevant to the story

>>58905288
Not if you involve worldbuilding and relationship building. I think foxfucker’s story had something like that, where the MC and Zinnia grab burgers and shoot the shit for awhile. I actually liked it.

>>58905288
If nothing happens? Sure. We don't need to read about characters doing pointless busywork any more than we need to read about them taking a dump. We understand that it happens without being told. There's a reason LOICENSES are a meme mostly exclusive to fanfic: when something is inherently boring the series creators don't bother incorporating it and you shouldn't either.

If something interesting happens to flesh out the world or one or more relevant characters, write about that and only that. The forgettable stuff can be summarized. Unless paranoid preparation is a trait you explicitly want to develop, don't go into detail buying TMs and items when you can mention them briefly in passing then whip them out dramatically in a crisis.

You can write an entire shopping trip if stuff actually happens there, like your guy being an awkward loser that spills his spaghetti, a chad that flirts with the cashier, or having to wrangle his kleptomaniac Pokemon.

>>58904489
Devil's advocate here, but aren't most Godzilla movies very political too? See Shin Godzilla

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>>58905352
>"Afterall, we did let go of your army after we liberated Nanjing back then. Well, what was left of your army anyway. Despite knowing that you all would try to do the same to Hoenn, which you certainly tried to do later on."

>Then, his gaze turned to the Chinese Ambassador, then to the Canadian, the Brazilian, and even to Peter.

>"And let's not pretend that any of you all are saints either. We all know what you all did during the wars. How you all tried to take advantage of the chaos to occupy our lands in the name of 'security' or 'defence'. If we were not a strong nation with a powerful military might to begin with, I have no doubt that you all would have looted our lands bare by this point."

>"....Be that as it may, the point still stands. We know nothing about this weapon of yours, and we are not even sure if you will turn it on the others. After all, it is clear that you have not forgotten old grudges-"

>"Old Grudges!?"

>Kaito roared at Peter's words, shutting up the younger man.

>"Look the families of the survivors from Dresden and other areas in the eyes, those whom you and your armies bombed, knowing that they were civilian centers, and tell them to forget the 'old grudges'!"

>He turned to the representative from France.

>"Tell the people of your former colonies that you are sorry for massacring anyone who tried to resist your cruel rule. That you are sorry for using them as cannon fodder and for the inhuman tortures you inflicted on them for even daring to go against your rule. Tell them to forgive you and forget 'old grudges'."

>He then turned to Canada.

>"Tell the parents of the children you killed in your 'Residential School System' in the name of 'Cultural reformation' that you are sorry and to forget 'Old Grudges'."

>The entire security council fell silent as, one after another, the representative of Hoenn aired all their dirty laundry.

>>58904489
Yep. Besides instantly pissing away the main premise of having to eternally mediate two opposing legendaries, the dude just can't fucking write basic interaction

>>58905288
If the process of doing those things is interesting or otherwise revealing/reinforcing important information? Yeah. It’s the difference between
>He brought his Dragonite to the site of a great injustice to help him channel his anger into an Outrage
and
>He told his Dragonite to get mad and then he did and he learned Outrage.
The first one’s teaching the reader something about the Dragonite as a character, the second is just telling the reader that he learned Outrage. That could just be summed up in a sentence.
That said, I think prose is the best medium for occasionally dropping in some laid-back SOL. You could use it to reinforce some change in the status quo (two rivals bury the hatchet and become friends? Now you can step back and show the reader what their uneasy friendship looks like) or give the reader/your characters the opportunity to relax after some high-tension sections.

>>58905366
I don't get the big deal beyond being a bit preachy. Godzilla has always been sorta anti war in a pretty lowkey way.

>>58905336
>>58905389
OK. That's helpful for ending a conversation I felt might be boring by just summarizing it.

>>58905323
It's mostly that kind of thing. There were some plot points I wanted to set up while also giving more context to earlier encounters. And I just wanted to describe how it feels to use certain moves.

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>>58905389
yeah this is where the To Live is to Dream author is great especially, theres basically zero wasted prose, despite being incredibly fucking long
training ex: if something is trivial to learn its a few sentences
if it actually is complicated, like trying to figure out the mindset on how the hell Recycle works, it takes awhile
everything actually leads to character moments, not just for the main character, but every single side character, ALL of them
if the first arc being called "Trainer's License Acquirement" spooks you off, its lampshaded, there is no exam

>>58905389
How about making my Pokemon eat spicy food so it learns Flamethrower?

>>58905416
>There were some plot points I wanted to set up while also giving more context to earlier encounters. And I just wanted to describe how it feels to use certain moves
Sounds like shit is actually happening, which is fine. Buying unique Pokemon-specific stuff you wouldn't normally think about is good flavor too. Just don't pad it out with filler if there's not enough material for an entire chapter

>>58905366
Reminds me of the parodies they made about the galactic senate scenes from the Phantom Menace

>>58905424
One day I’m going to read this fic/quest of yours, and if it’s not god’s gift to Pokémon fanfiction you are going to have a lot to answer for, buckaroo.

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>>58905551
I'm not the author
I'm posting because it stresses the author out and trolling them is the thread pasttime
its also genuinely the best quest I've ever read

>>58905568
nta but I started reading it recently because of your free ads. Gotta say, I was really whiplashed when she just let the galactic grunts go after they pretty much threatened to take her pokemon and possibly kill her for resisting. These are criminals who saw her face, saw her main pokemon, saw her powers, and she's certain they're part of a cult. The streets should have claimed them is what I'm sayin, but I understand the author wants to keep things relatively PG and probably doesn't want a child protagonist to have that kind of blood on their hands. tl;dr, they were courting death

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>>58905568
Honestly ya'll have had a hole in your guys awareness for the last 2 years or so on this thing.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/spacebattles-trending-stories-and-quests-updated-weekly.1140820/post-117817013
Its a goddamn anomaly on the fuckin site metrics. But because "Creative Writing" and "Quests" are segregated into different sections, there's no linked search functionality, so even though it pulls insane numbers in Quests, its readership level is bad compared to even a middling Fic. Limited discoverability despite the quality.

>>58905583
You'll start to understand her character more by the end of Ferry Point; she's TRYING to be normal, to be good.
Remember These: the Author loves foreshadowing, unreliable narration is in full effect, and we still don't know Mal's full life.
For example: What could this invisitext line possibly foreshadow? :^) "You're too bewildered to realize that this means that someone has seen you undressed."

It will not stay PG, even if it isn't R just yet. You'll understand when you see Golbat.

>>58905604
A thread on the 4chan by epic the hacker called m00t.

Does anyone else, when trying to plan their MC’s team, try to mitigate the use of really strong/iconic pokemon? Theres over a thousand of the little bastards and several fics always have the more iconic mons either for strength or status in use and not the more fun ones.

>>58905640
That's an autism you'll have to push through sooner or later. It's way too obstructive and limiting otherwise.
The only one I can't blame anyone for not being able to get over with is the shill rat.
Even the anime didn't try to pretend otherwise. You never hear about how Ash's Palpitoed or Corphish were his aces, you heard or Greninja or Charizard. Even the rat was always remarked as being an anomaly among the rats and that the species is generally a shitter one. And each time a shitmon pulled out a crazy performance it was always remarked similarly.
Don't be a wannabe hipster, don't listen to those loud minorities crying about "underused" Pokemon. Popular Pokemon are popular for a reason, and strong Pokemon are portrayed as strong for a reason.

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>>58905622
mootykuns too busy diddling lolis on epstein island to hang out with us anymore
at least snacks has a podcast

>>58905640
pokemon should be foremost: a character
so what character do you want to write?
pick a species from there, either as a subversion or as playing it straight
don't feel like you must pick something popular

>>58905658
>what character do you want to write?
Half baked trainer who solves everything with perish song or explosion.

>>58905640
My favorite ones are shitmons so I don't have that problem

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fanfic idea: MC is an artist of erotic manga for Pokémon, hilarity ensues

>>58905416
The ability to just hit fast forward is another big advantage prose has over something like a movie.
>>58905424
I’m not usually into the quest format. Is there an easy way to read it without having to scroll past all the replies?
>>58905443
Kino, explain it in perfect detail

>>58905288
I really enjoyed the bumming around sections in Hyphen as well as in Spice and Fox. Although I enjoyed S&Fs more since there were less of them, William and Braxien's date was really cute. In comparison the beginning of Hyphen is a lot of slowly paced bumming around that kind of drags.
So it depends on how you pace it, as long as it isn't constant and it has fun character interactions I'll like it.
Although this is coming from a guy who doesn't like trainer battles, doesn't mind long winded internal monologues either, and likes character interaction. So take it for what you will.

>>58905987
>I’m not usually into the quest format. Is there an easy way to read it without having to scroll past all the replies?
you don't have to read any replies, they don't matter and the choices that win get told to you in the next chapter via a little spoiler at the top. You will however have to scroll past choice sections, but they're clearly formatted in a way that's easy to skip.

>>58905987
>Is there an easy way to read it without having to scroll past all the replies?
threadmarks, dude. or just hit reader mode

>>58905987
It's difficult to have musical training montages in a written medium

>>58906023
Never used Spacebattles before, thanks for the tip.

>>58905640
>Theres over a thousand of the little bastards and several fics always have the more iconic mons either for strength or status in use and not the more fun ones.
Popular mons tend to be strong while unpopular are used as workforce

>>58905640
Besides the obvious super mainstream ones, I'm not entirely certain how popular Porygon, Golisopod, Nidoking and Lycanroc are in general, so I can't say for sure. But I try to mitigate that by giving every character a unique team suited to their overall personality, so even if they have some popular 'mons they've also got more niche ones to show off.

>>58905640
I like to think I'm a hipster with my team selections plz ignore Wartortle, I swear there's a reason but part of that is I want the antagonists to have the strongest/iconic stuff. While usually these Pokemon will end up losing in the end, but if you do them justice in the fight and have the protag's mons win in a justifiable way, you get the bonus points of having the popular mons in your fic and you still get to that hipster autism pride we both likely have.

I just want to see someone finally evolve their Larvesta.

>>58906362
I can't use a Larvesta in my fic. I WILL name it Mothra and break immersion. I have no recourse to this dilemma.

>>58906366
just have kaiju films be real
GIGATYRANITAR VS MECHATYRANITAR

>>58906362
>Tfw Larvesta will evolve but it'll be kinda cheap
It should make sense with how things are going at that point though.
>>58906372
Kaijuanon, I'm a very long way away from this, but I will give you a proper kaiju fight in my WIP before it's done. Eternatus has to get involved though, which idk how you feel about that but I'd understand if it puts a damper on things.

>>58906400
I've been blueballed by that fucking Rayquaza fic
I don't know how much longer I can hold out boss
hold me

>>58906407
I'm in the last few chapters of arc 3, and that'll be arc 9 unfortunately. I will have an Alpha Tyrantrum vs Mega Tyranitar fight in arc 4, and Alpha Tyrantrum vs Alpha Haxorus in arc 6 which I hope can hold you over. (There's another one I don't want to spoil as I've said too much, but I like me a good kaiju fight too)

>>58906417
Based. I'm a long way from a proper kaiju fight too but around the mid-point I've got a Clair vs. Zekrom and Reshiram battle outlined that's basically six Super-X's versus two Godzillas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfmRSPBVIYU

>>58906435
>Spoiler
Well I'll be, anon. best of luck to you. That doesn't sound easy to execute but it will fucking rock if you can nail it.

>>58905640
I pick mons based on how well they fit the role of the story. So I pick strong/iconic mons when that's what would fit the story more.

This really only counts for Crystal Light as its my only story that really has traditional battles. The main group has all three Kanto starters and Pikachu, but that's because they are meant to be expies of Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow. So the MC has Blastoise, but it was chosen more for being an armored 'knightly' pokemon. It and the rest of his team are based on the classes from Final Fantasy 1 so Blastoise is Fighter, but the other mons are ones that I don't see as especially popular, strong, or iconic. So far the his three other pokemon are Hitmonchan for the Black Belt, Chansey for the White Mage, and Vileplume for the Black Mage. The other characters in the main group have several of their own pokemon, but the mons chosen with less of a theme. Just whatever best fits the story as it evolves.

Should I use language barriers when dealing with foreign characters even tough the Pokemon world doesn't have them?

>>58905640
It’s my story and I use the mons I like. I have pretty basic and lame taste, so I wind up using a lot of the most iconic ones, but I’m not gonna feel guilty for not caring about that seaweed dragon.

>>58906372
I have several giant Pokemon vs regular mon battles planned, though nothing that would really count as a kaiju vs kaiju battle. Actually, there will be one giant mon vs giant mon battle now that I think about it.

>Accidentally came up with a team I kind of like has a good theme going and 4/6 share a type and 3/6 share another type so I can make it a type specialist with a subtype specialization without issue
>But the team has two mythicals
How can I make it not feel cringe when adding so many gigarare pokemon like that?

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5-year timeskip

> Ash is a rebellious teenager with a feisty attitude and mood swings.

> Serena's personality has become more idol-like after working as an idol for 5 years. She has also grown more emotionally mature and knowledgeable, enough to treat Ash like a kid.

> Thanks to the kiss, Serena has lost her timidness around Ash. As a result, she can now openly tease him, flirt, hold his hand, pat his head, and hug him.

> Ash is annoyed that Serena now treats him like a immature troublesome kid instead of the "hero" she saw during the XY series, so he is determined to prove he is cool and mature so she will start idolizing him as a hero again.

> Serena hasn't lost her love for Ash, but she acknowledges that he is not the cool knight in shining armor from her dreams. He is an emotionally immature, flawed kid who might get himself into trouble without someone looking after him.

> If Ash does something stupid, Serena will get angry and scold him. If he does something smart, she will give him a headpat while praising him.

My idea for Amourshippin fic. I dare you to find a flaw , you can't

>>58906637
If they fit into the story then sure. I'd ask why you'd want to include them first, but if you feel it would be good for your story then go for it.

>>58906796
>anime characters
>idolslop
>shipping
Found three from just a cursory glance.

>>58906796
>find a flaw
No harem hijinxs

>>58906763
Gigachad it and unapologetically just let the trainer have multiple rare pokemon. The reason they has them should have at least a little thought put into it, but depending on the mythicals it shouldn't need too much justification. As long as you're not using them to emphasize how cool and special the MC is then its really not that big a deal. And even if the MC is super special and cool, then all you need to do is make that special coolness feel earned.

>>58906763
Mythical Pokemon are a FOMO invention to drive sales. That doesn't need to matter for fanfic lore.
You could just own it and say the character was lucky or treat it like they're not impossibly rare in universe. It's easier to justify Shaymin or Victini compared to Mew, but it doesn't really matter if it suits what you're trying to do. Pokken certainly wasn't afraid of having 4 mythicals on deck as assists.

>>58906637
I thought about doing it because I like language stuff, but realistically there would have been too many language barriers and it would have caused too many headaches for me later on.
Why do you want to introduce language barriers?

>>58906799
>>58906826
>why?
Miscommunication can be a type of comedy

>>58906835
Then go for it.

I'm having a similar situation right now where I want the final member of my MC's team to be a ShAlpha. I'm layering it inside a big training arc and having to earn their trust by battling a much more powerful Alpha together, but I'm worried it'll feel too lucky.

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communication difficulties are going to be apart of all pokemon fiction anyway, the goddamn pokemon themselves have a language barrier
might as well extend it to people too, its canon there anyway

>>58906812
Why would I even bother with a harem if only one girl gonna win at the end? I am just gonna introduce one girl who is so physically attractive with better personality & chemistry that the protagonist would not even need a harem.

Unfortunately the anime already chosen Serena and picked worst group of writing staff to handle her character. If only people from OS-DP series were in charge then Amourshipping would not have suck so bad.

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>>58906882
>if only one girl gonna win at the end?
It doesn't have to

>>58906882
Serious question: why do you like Serena and ship her with Ash if you think she was poorly written?

Would it be bad to have the MC do the whole gym circuit and drop out at the end? (As in he gets 7/8 medals and doesn't even try the actual league)
What if it's unwillingly? (He gets banned from the region or someone hunts him down or something)

Would that be a good ending or a bad one? Maybe years later he meets the champion in another region and he gets a chance to prove himself?

>>58906987
And spare yourself and the readers the agony of doing a tournament arc? Sounds fine to me

>>58906927
>why do you like Serena
I don't
>ship her with Ash
Because the anime picked her as the only love interest for Ash so far.

Normally my advise would be to make Dawn physically more attractive by turning her into busty version of NPC Akari and set her as the main love interest for Ash since she is the only lead girl that nailed her role as co-protagonist, has better chemistry with Ash and her Piplup is as marketable as Pikachu. Dawn only flaw is that she is not as busty like Serena & Misty.

>>58907003
You know you can ignore the canon, right?

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>>58906987
thats perfectly fine
not every story needs to be the chosen one facing down legions of baddies, or be some genius trainer
the gyms should be challenges, not merely Pass Go and Collect $200; not everyone should finish them, hell most people shouldn't finish them
a pokemon journey is a cultural thing yeah? even just 2-3 is evidence enough that you explored and grew as a person
then you return to schooling, get a job, and become a normal member of society

ace trainers should be like professional sports players, or even start at the high end of amateur level players; theres hundreds of thousands in the US of such people in the US. yet its a fraction of the population, even if hundreds of millions played sports at some local level.

the journey is more important than the number of badges you got

>>58906796
>I dare you to find a flaw
Ash

>>58907011
But canon would still be canon. If there is a slight chance of improving that then I will take that chance.

Ask yourself, what is the actual flaw of Serena? The answer, her chemistry with Ash & her superficial personality that make everything she does feel manufactured which ironically is also the same flaw that Liko has. She always act submissive & weak whenever Ash is nearby while Ash has to act like a generic paladin type ikemen characters to keep up with the "hero" image inside Serena's mind. This prevented Ash & Serena from developing actual chemistry to the point they does not even feel like friends.

So the anime need a situation where Serena loses her hero image of Ash while he stop treating her like a princess.

>>58906987
Gonna be 100 with you, if your character's goal is to win all of the gym badges and they stop for some arbitrary reasons like those (especially for bureaucratic reasons), it'd be a very unsatisfying end (even though it isn't). I assume you're starting with the trainer at the beginning, they go through a journey, only to fail... You'd need basically a whole second story (can be much shorter than the first) explaining how the MC overcame whatever barrier there was. If your MC has a different goal than collecting badges, than this works. Maybe they got so invested in stopping the evil team or had to go home to take care of the family farm that they had to abandon that part of the journey. That's totally okay. If a close family member or friend died and it really shook the MC, I could see that being intriguing, learning to pick the pieces back up again.

If I were to attempt to pull something like this off, I'd start at the point the MC stops off from their journey. Whatever roadblock it is (psychological/emotion is best imo), the MC goes on a different sort of journey trying to overcome that. Maybe they mentor some rookie trainer from their hometown and that young trainer helps our MC find what's been missing.

>>58907028
Gonna second this. Ash has been a hard working, never-aging boy for almost three decades. Let him rest.

>>58907045
>But canon would still be canon
...then why are you even here in this thread? We don't care, as you can see the title of the thread is Fanfic/Fan work so if you want to talk about the anime go to /padt/ also your Ash is as far from canon Ash as you can get already

>>58907049
To add onto what >>58906987 this Anon said, unless you have a really compelling reason to do it and the story is basically already over than I wouldn't recommend it as then you're kind of inviting a whole second story to happen where the MC does overcome that challenge so they can finally win the league.
Although some stories don't really need that, for instance in Spice and Fox I wouldn't be surprised if the MC never completes the circuit. He's kind of just doing it because of cultural reasons, his mom did it, and the story has brought dropping out as a viable option before so he can take care of her. Not to mention as of the recent arc he has a personal reason to go after the evil team and will probably hold a grudge against them.
There's the whole thing with Zapdos and the weather institute in the background as well, but unraveling that conspiracy, defeating the evil team, and fox marriage doesn't really require him to become champion. Only get to the final gym where the weather institute is and defeat the evil team/stop whatever is going on there.

>>58907052
>...then why are you even here in this thread?
Because its a fanfic thread.

>as you can see the title of the thread is Fanfic/Fan work
And I preferred my work to be closer to canon material.

>also your Ash is as far from canon Ash
You talk like somebody who think XY Ash to be the actual Ash.
Ash was always emotionally immature, boastful, competitive, hot headed , feisty, prideful and didn't like being treated like a kid. I simply brought back the character traits that XY removed.

>Started getting some readers and friends commenting on a girl like she's part of the MC's harem
>She's gay
I have been too subtle.

>58901539
Hasn't even been a couple days lmao

>>58907084
Is that you imoanon? If so have you considered having on screen lesbian sex?

>>58907084
What, did you pull a RWBY and had the girl act straight just to reveal out of nowhere she was gay all along?

>>58902486
Gave this guys book a few chapters. It's like eating potato chips.

>>58907139
No she's just chummy with the MC and has made a couple lewd remarks to him but the only people she's made comments on the attractiveness of are women
>>58907104
That's coming this arc. Though I'm VERY nervous about Ao3 and QQ's rules on underage smut insofar as lewding the main group.

>>58907160
>Though I'm VERY nervous about Ao3 and QQ's rules on underage smut insofar as lewding the main group.
Wasn't the whole point of QQ to allow for smut? What's the point of the site if it's the same pearl clutching nonsense?

>>58907160
You can lewd lolis on QQ and ao3

>>58907178
>What's the point of the site if it's the same pearl clutching nonsense?
I think I'm just so used to the internet's apprehension over canonically underage characters being sexual it's got me anxious.

>>58907160
>about
Wait, since when does AO3 care about underaged smut?

>>58907211
Probably never, but I've never written smut on these sites so I'm apprehensive of fucking something up.

>>58907219
Just don't go shilling your patreon on AO3. They don't allow advertising.

>>58907160
>underage yuri
Jeff....

>>58907232
Actually the first smut chapter is between hags.

>>58907232
imoanon isn't doing anything to disprove the rumors of his real identity.
SAD!
Guess we know what else he's up to in Israel aside from playing fortnite.

>>58906861
Every MC should get a pass for 1 bullshit mon on their teams. Alpha shiny, legendary, legendary blessed, whatever. After the first you gotta actually be writing well enough to justify it.

>>58906924
Rex truly is my hero.

>>58906987
I would at least indicate early on that failure is an option.

>>58907071
I remember you. It's been a while since you've come to these threads. Are you actually going to write a fanfic or are you just here to complain about the anime again?

>>58907151
I got to chapter 50. Most were just level grinding combat chapters, the rest were technically plot progression since they were boss battles with tiny droplets of lore in them.
It's probably crack cocaine for people who are addicted to litrpg progression, but I can't with this.

Thoughts on weebing out and using honorifics? -san -sama -senpai etc

>>58907429
You can get away with them in Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh and Kitakami so go for it?