bros... i thought pokemon were stupid dumb animals...why are they talking...
>>58917468because Pokemon can talk to other Pokemon
>>58917468>dumb spinoff that ignore the loreIrrelevant
>>58917468Depends on the species and they aren't speaking human language. We're a Ditto so we understand them
>>58917468Someones never played PMD
apparently humans died off in that universe or whatever10 bucks it ends with "it was just a dream" (of a sexually abused 6iv ditto yearning for freedom)
>>58917468Lazy asspull writing, same thing they did in Legends Arceus with the "all Pokemon can shrink because they just can okay it's not a feature of the Pokeball". Pokemon range in intelligence from lesser animals to demigod geniuses, or at least they did, considering they're not above throwing established ideas overboard and keelhauling the everloving fuck out of them.
>>58917478>ignore the loreThis is the one spin off that has Game Freak on board so that the devs knows how to write the Pokemon. They even mentioned this in the interview.
>>58917477Dittos can understand Pidgey-ese?
consensual sex with my clear communication pokemon
>>58917468N did mention that Pokemon have a unified language. In any case, they're going to rebuild society bit by bit and it'll be a joy to see.
>>58917468harknessCHADS, we won
>>58917492Pokemon could always shrink it didn't start in legends arceus
>ib4 all the mons in that game are just human that have been accidentally turn into pokemon by Bill pc which is why the game is set in kanto
>>58917485It's the DQ Builders devs and those games were set in universes where the bad guy won so I don't see them having a random asspull like that at the end
>>58917537No, it was a feature of the Pokeball and the digitizing PC storage system, the shrinking being tied to the monsters themselves is a lazy asspull narrative to justify having primitive Pokeballs divorced from technology.
>>58917541sv and za ending where already just that so who knows
>>58917539Tangrowth talking about his trainer makes me doubt this.
>>58917549How the fuck did Apriocorn balls work? They existed before digitization.Also, I will gladly point to the Japanese Wikipedia page on Pokeballs, which has remarked that Pokemon have shrunk since at least 2012.
>>58917560its a detective pikachu situation
>>58917549>amerimutt dosen’t know how pokemon functions and still believe they are digimon because of the ashnime frying his braintypical
>>58917549explain the Shrink move
>>58917581I thought about that being a possibility but its mostly not every single Pokemon in the game. At most its just might be Ditto and Tangrowth.
>>58917468I don't know why but I completely hate the idea of pokemon being dumb beasts.
>>58917568That would be one of the very first cases of the developers freeballing their own lore and creating contradictions to what was established in the beginning. Pokemon in its original design was kind of Shin Megami Tensei lite, basically mythical creatures that can be contracted to servitude via power display and Pokeball capture, the mechanism for them being able to "fit" in a Pokeball was tied to the Pokeball being a piece of advanced technology. Can items stored in a PC shrink on their own and fit inside the PC? No, so why would you argue the inverse for Pokemon?>>58917588>seething about Americans out of nowhereMy info comes from RBY, anime doesn't count. You're just can't form a logical argument and decided ad hominem was an appropriate substitute for one.>>58917598If you're talking about Minimize, only certain monsters can learn it and it's tied to their unique abilities. It's not something all Pokemon can do.
>>58917628Pokemon being able to shrink was always the lore, and the story used is consistent too.>https://archive.org/details/pokemon-illustrated-book-of-pocket-monsters-character-art-book-encyclopedia-poke/page/n132/mode/1up
>>58917819>just look at this extra-canonical material broNo thanks. What made it into the original games doesn't suggest that all Pokemon can just shrink by default. Minimize is a move only certain monsters can learn, you know, the ones that have physiology that lends to that ability. Next you'll tell me that slapping a disc on a Pokemon's forehead is how TMs always worked. Just admit it, the writers are highly irresponsible with their lore and things get extremely messy once you step outside of the mainline games, and even within them the lore has been increasingly disregarded and retconned over time.
Mew can't learn Crabhammer
>>58917468You're a Pokemon, so you can understand them. It's the same in the PMD series.
>>58917492I hate how fedora pokemon is as a setting. Legends Arceus could have had an arcane method to summon pokemon but GF insists on muh scientific pokeball.
>>58917485Not died, they just abandoned Kanto (because of course it's a Kanto game, if they're following the Builders format of "old game world falls into ruins" why wouldn't it be Kanto?) when their industrialization grew out of control and bit them in the ass, leaving the Pokemon to clean up the mess and restore the region to its natural glory.At least, that's the general concept that was going around internally based on the Teraleak. No mentions of human death.
>>58917856>I hate how fedora pokemon is as a settingMy theory is that they got scared away from potential backlash against Pokemon being too similar to contracted manifested spirits/demons. There's a lot that's lost on how Pokeballs work nowadays because even if you were to assume that Pokemon are just shrinking and sitting inside of a ball for who knows how long, that still doesn't explain what's behind the transition between wild and subjugated status. They know most everyone will just take Pokeballs at face value and not question things, so they just give lazy explanations for how things work on the surface and call it a day.
>>58917840>Just ignore the fact that shrinking has been canon since before the games came over to the westNo. Shrinking is the canon since 1996. Legends Arceus didn't retcon jack shit in regards to that.
>>58917840nta but Minimize being a move only some can use doesn't say anything. Lick is a move only SOME Pokemon can use even though most of them have tongues. Bite is a move only SOME can use despite most having teeth. Literally fucking everything should be able to learn Tackle but, lo and behold, it's not exactly universal.
>>58917874>Shrinking is the canon since 1996Where in RBY was it ever stated that this was the default for all Pokemon and the Pokeballs weren't just a high tech device that allowed these things to be possible? I'll wait.
>>58917840Pokemon shrinking is a reflex. Minimize is being able to do it on command. Only some Pokemon can be trained to do it on command. Pretty simple.
>>58917880It also doesn't say that all Pokemon were able to shrink just because they could and that they only feel like doing so in relation to going inside of a Pokeball, so I don't know what you're on about.
>>58917871Pokeballs are terrifying they turn solid matter into an energy stream, if you tweaked the ball it just does the energize phase then doesnt rematerialize the mon in the ball effectively killing it or erasing it from existence in the case of a Ghost Type
>>58917887>It also doesn't say that all Pokemon were able to shrink just because they could and that they only feel like doing so in relation to going inside of a PokeballThe lore of the entire thing is that Pokemon shrinking is an involuntary reflex that the Pokeball ends up exploiting. Minimize just means some can do it on command. Just like how everything can bite, not everything can "Bite".
>>58917884You're trying to apply lazy lore from the later games to how things originally were. I'm willing to admit the games have gone through changes in later iterations, why can't you? Pokemon couldn't always just shrink because they could, that's a recent change. Pokemon couldn't all communicate with each other with some magical shared language and articulate things on the level of a human, that's another change.
>>58917541Timeline where Mewtwo gets revenge and just captures all human life.
>>58917468>Imagine being a human in the pokemon world >Imagine being unable to speak pokemon, need to use pokemon to solve their problems, having to rely on pokemon to get around their own country, can't evolve, can't learn any pokemon moves, weaker than most pokemon, etc.>who's the real stupid dumb animal?
>>58917881Where was it stated in grby that the pokeballs turned pokemon into energy
>>58917840>I don’t like the truth so it doesn’t matteramerimutt moments
>>58917549You're wrong. It's always been that way since original RED and GREEN.
>>58917508I love Zoroarks so much
>>58917881How do you think a fucking Onix hide in a little ankle sized grass?
Pokemon could always communicate with each other. Remember the island of giant Pokemon episode? Half the ep is the mons away from their trainers and they talk plenty. >B-b-b-bu-but the anime doesn't count because... it just doesn't okay??
>>58918032You don't need to use the anime. In gen 1 Gastly, Haunter and dead Marowak talks directly to the player.
>>58917998Yep. When presented with two different choices, one of which is sci-fi kino while the other is just retarded then I'm going with sci-fi kino.
>>58917874Shrinking is so canon that Pokemon Special actually depicts pokeballs as full on gacha capsules having a transparent top from where you can see the pokemon (Neat little detail, I'd love if this was the case for the games but the solid red is probably too iconic)
>>58918041An entire class of creatures that shrink as a defense mechanism, and exploiting a mildy poisonous natural resource to trigger said reaction (apricorns) is way more interesting than "lol they just turn into energy"
>>58918054It also gives a quick explaination of why Ultra Beasts and shit like Deoxys are categorized as pokemon; They shrink as a defense mechanism, so they count
>>58918041Energy shit was invented by the anime because it's easier to anime a shinny red ball of goo rather than dozens of new frames every episode.The original capumon capsules weren't even tech shit either. Where just a gacha ball with a button to lock. The pokémon enter it because their instinct to shrink and hide, and the balls was the perfect device for it. That why you have to weak it first.Apricorn balls was suposed to be the same thing, no tech just carved nuts.
>>58918088Suck my carved nuts
>>58917468>OH NOW YA NOTICE? YA JOIK. YA MAROON! YA RUBE! YER BEIN SCHMECKLEDORFED! HORNSWAGGLED! BAMBOOZLED! And most importantly? FUCKIN GAY!
>>58917468Revolutionary
>>58918308Rammed by Lairon
>>58917468Pokemon have been able to talk since Gen 1
>pocket monsters arent monsters that fit in your pockethuh???
>>58917492how is pokemon talking to each other an asspull if it has been like that since mystery dungeon?
>>58918671they are thoughall pokemon can minimize. you're just a fake fan
