Could Victini defeat Arceus?
>>58928341>Could the Freemason Pokemon beat the Demiurge PokemonNo, Victini takes orders from Arceus, both fight against Sophia.
>>58928341Arceus is the strongest in the whole Pokémon canon, so no, Victini could not defeat Arceus if they're both not holding back. In a regular Pokémon Battle, it can be either way but in Arceus's favour. And the whole thing about those with Victini apparently always winning is kinda not so reliable as it makes it out to be.
>>58928549>Arceus is the strongest in the whole Pokémon canonThe leaked dev notes say it’s Eternatus
>>58928562>Turner's fanfictionFake and gay
>>58928569If you want Masuda’s canon, then it and the Creation Trio are island level at best, and their mythological power level was completely made up by humans. If you want anime canon, it jobs to a meteor. If you want PMD canon, it jobs to negative emotions. Arceus is a shitter through and through.
>>58928562Scrapped content and content that doesn't make it to a final product isn't canon.But if they really wanted to make that canon. That would have be so stupid.>Introduce the character who made the whole of existence of the verse and is able to do anything>Um actually, never mind. This new character we're going to have is the strongest now beyond that other previous character.Cringe. Once a series adds a character like Arceus, it should do the idea it right and stick that character keeping that status.
>>58928575As of PLA it's confirmed that the Pokémon self of Arceus is just some formality as the real Arceus exists beyond space and time. This sort of makes any "jobbing" of Arceus's Pokémon self meaningless. Creator statements are good, but in-product feats are better, so when the two contradict the latter takes priority, especially since creator statements can have clear bias of the specific creator's desires as for a franchise like Pokémon with multiple creators some creators have conflicting choices they want for the series. I really get the feeling there's some people working on Pokémon that want to make Pokémon being dumb animals canon and are being prevented.
>>58928341victini always defeats my cock at least
>>58928549>And the whole thing about those with Victini apparently always winning is kinda not so reliable as it makes it out to be.Anything to suggest this?
>>58928562retard
>>58928562True Arceus (Infinite BST due to being God) > Eternamax Eternatus (>1100 BST) > Pokemon Arceus (720 BST) > Eternatus (680 BST)
>>58928847>Eternatus (680 BST)*690 BST
>>58928847Just because it's a creator god doesn't mean it's stronger than its creations. Eternatus solo's True Arceus any day, that's why Arceus hides behind champions.
>>58928950>Teleports Eternatus to the end of time where it disintegratesWell that was easy
>>58929071>Eternatus resists because Arceus can't actually do that and has only been seen teleporting humans>Eternatus then rapes Arceus until she gives birth to a happy litter of little dynademons>the two live happily ever after and eventually Giratina starts calling Eternatus "dad"what now
>>58929079>Anon posts made-up head fancanon on what a God can do because they know they lost>Eternatus wakes up from its coma and realizes its pregnant at the end of time with Arceus's new creation trio who brust out of its Dynaclit and warp them themselves back to the current day while Eternacuck selfdestructs after its been torn open
>>58929093If that's the fanfiction you subscribe to then who am I to judge. It's hard to beat the omnipotent monotheism out of an american, they can't fathom the idea of a creator being weaker than their creation.Pay no attention to the fact no human can outrun a car or outgrip a hydraulic press.
Eternatus. The ugly fuck. Literally loses to box art sword and shield. They arent beating ho-oh let alone arceus
>>58929124Aus is literally a white woman, no shit dogs are her strongest creations.
>>58928950All Arceus has to two is make two chungus dogs with a sword and a shield who have Anti-Dynamax powers and suddenly Eternatus gets anal douched.
>>58929136The time it takes Arceus to finish creating them and leveling them up, Batman would have had all the prep time he needed to plunk a master ball at the bitch.
>>58929101>Creating something with its own magic powers>Using technologiesThere is a little difference, fella
>>58928549>Arceus is the strongest in the whole Pokémon canonSource?
>>58929179The difference is that our machines aren't alive and can't decide to kill us. We don't have to hide in a hole in fear of our creations like Arceus does. Not until the world becomes unlivably polluted anyways.
>>58928602>As of PLA it's confirmed that the Pokémon self of Arceus is just some formality as the real Arceus exists beyond space and timeThis isn't confirmed in any capacity. There's a fairly vague line about it giving you a part of it by replicating itself, to justify being able to fight it with itself in rematches. Nothing about its assumed "power level" beyond this. Arceus doesn't have any actual feats beyond what we've seen Celebi or Terapagos do (moving timelines/isekai shit, which Pikachu and Eevee can also apparently do in Let's Go), as far as the main series is concerned.>>58928576It's not scrapped content. I know you didn't read what little story SWSH actually had, but it is also mentioned outright in game that Eternatus is the strongest of all pokemon. Ohmori's dev notes just confirm that this isn't a hyperbolic statement, unlike what Masuda has said openly and in his notes regarding the creation trio's myths.
>>58928576>>Introduce the character who made the whole of existence of the verse and is able to do anythingThe thing is, we have interviews from the DP developers where they mention not to take any of the Sinnoh myths as fact. We have Masuda on Twitter saying Arceus isn't a god. Cynthia in Platinum's post-game implies that the myths are also made up, which we know from the Teraleak was always meant to be the intent as far back as the initial script for Cyrus. We also know from the same leaks that the main directors like Masuda and Ohmori all still consider Tajiri's initial lore to still be canon, to this day. That Pokémon are "aliens" to this reality, and that the pokemon world was something closer to mundane earth initially. The fact that no real writer for pokemon's games and lore genuinely considers Arceus to be the world's creator beyond it being npc mythology is telling on how seriously it should be considered in power scaling debates, to say nothing of whatever garbage it jobs to in the spinoffs like meteors/rope/negativity.
>>58929212>rope/negativityNegativity is from PMD Super I'm guessing, but where does rope come from?
>>58929192The main difference is that we have to use technology to create those things. We simply can't will them in existence from thin air.
>>58929228Ummm, sweetie? Neither can Arceus.
Reminder Eternatus jobbed to calyrex
>>58929212They can whatever the fuck they want, but if the games don't reflect it, why the fuck should I listen to their yapping?If anything, that's even worse, because they say all that bullshit but somehow all they work on is saying the complete opposite.
>>58929247Exactly. Who cares about yapping from fans and unreliable myths that try to paint a picture of Arceus being all powerful when the games show us otherwise? We see in game that Arceus is terrified of Giratina and needs a hero to save them and that Arceus can barely create a single level 1 pokemon even with the power of the 3 dragons, a swarm of unown, and a magical stage helping them. We even defeat Arceus multiple times ourselves, fuck what a weak pokemon.
>>58928341If the theory about Victini being a missing aspect of the origin dragon is true it might actually be capable of rivaling arceus
>>58929330This is the first time I heard of this, so Victini is capable to fuse with the gen 5 Dragon trio to become the original dragon?
>>58929526The theories I've heard are that Victini is an offspring or familiar of the original dragon, and could attain comparable power upon maturing. Its described as having unlimited energy, and energy seems to be the theme the tao trio take after, what with Zekrom representing nuclear fission, Reshiram representing nuclear fusion, and Kyurem representing absolute zero
>>58929133>AusNot canon. The name is Arceus. Scrapped content is not canon. Simple as.
>>58928341He'll lose to the Legends plate.
>>58929230True, Arceus didn't create the universe directly: only initiated the process
>>58928341Victini should get a hidden ability that changes all of its RNG rolls to 100%.
>>58928847>headcanon
>>58931466>2012>Arceus the PokemonFound the retard
>>58928576>isn't canon.Skyla is a sexy latina pilot and there's nothing you can do about it.
>Japlett christcucks incapable of understanding a KamiGo watch Princess Mononoke. Yes, you can watch the butchered dub version, it's fine, you won't follow it enough to notice the difference. It's a pretty long movie, go ahead and cue up some Subway Surfers and Family Guy Family moments on your second monitor. And why yes, the narrator IS the Arbiter.Okay, see the funny man-faced deer that turns into the Elden Beast? THAT is Arceus' peer. Does it possess divine abilities that define and create the local ecosystem, have power over things like life and death, and generally act and behave in ways completely outside of human rationality, that can only be defined as godlike? Yes. Did it also get fucking murdered by a human with a shitty gun, in a plan concocted by goddamn Billy Bob Thornton in a rice hat, wearing the shoes Shiftry's feet are molded into the shape of? Also yes. There's your Arceus. There is the weight class it is punching in.
>>58931690>Kamifrom what I gathered thus far from Sintoh, they're litterally forces of nature.
>>58931690>Goes on embarrassing malding schizorant about tranime while confusing something akin to a weaker Xerneas/Yveltal with a universal creator entityThe retardation continues
>>58932257>local retard remains unaware of how many JRPGs let you kill god>local retard thinks he could beat his video game characters in a fight if they ever appeared in the real world all because he "created them and their world"
>>58932268>Equates JPRGs with different rules to Pokemon>Everything follows the exact same logic because I say so!!!!Make sure you stock up on meds anon
>>58932268But Arceus isn't a god. Like at all. The devs literally confirmed this directly.
>>58932280>no argumentYour surrender is accepted.
>>58932281Post proof more recent than 2012
>>58932289>Ignores argument because they have no argumentConcession accepted
>>58932290Remember that game where Arceus needed help?Yeah. Oof.
>>58932302>Arceus "needed" help>It didn't just force you do its shit for it for funUh-huh
>>58932311>posts headcanonAnything better than that?
>>58932319>Posts image with headcanonProjection != debating
>>58932335No source? I win then. Looks like Arceus wasn't what you thought it was.
>>58932339>Remember that game where Arceus needed help? (Source required)>No source? I win then.
>>58932344>still no proof it was all for a laughConcession accepted once more. Good on you for trying again anyways, but it looks like Arceus is still just another pokemon.
>>58932349>it looks like Arceus is still just another pokemonYep, that is a piece of a deity. Glad we agree.
>>58932354>that is a <headcanon>Glad we agree that Arceus can't do any of the things you originally imagined at least.
>>58932359>Glad we agree that Arceus can't do any of the things you originally imagined at least.Agreed, Arceus the Pokemon, not Original One Arceus. Glad you finally get it.
Why are some people obsessed with Arceus being unbeatable? Nobody cared when the literal gods of Space and Time were beaten by Cyrus or the player. So why do these people flip a switch when it's Arceus?Is it really all a christcuck thing? Is this thread just two anons who are pretending to be retarded and mutually feeding each other (you)s? Or is it fallout from the regileaks that proved Arceus' true form got beaten up by a bunch of eggshells?
it's amazing that some retards here dont know the difference between the omnipotent unbeatable deity "Arceus" and the Arceus Pokemon you get from it as a piece of it in the techdemo. The Pokemon is beatable, the deity not so much
>>58932399>omnipotent unbeatable deity "Arceus"Doesn't exist.
Retard in question: >>58932400
>>58932402>no proofProjection recognized.
>>58932387>Why are some people obsessed with Arceus being unbeatable?Are these people in the room with you right now?
>>58932404>ctrl f "unbeatable">see >>58932399I'm going with option 2, it's two anons (you)ing each other.
>>58932407>it's two anons (you)ing each other.You dont say...
>>58928341>In the terminalmontage battle royale the timeline splits to have one where Arceus wins because it's god and one where Necrozma wins because it absorbed VictiniIn this case shouldn't Victini have won in Necrozma's place?
>>58932961>powerscalers>rational logicpick one
>>58932302>>58932319>needed>helpNeither of these are the case. It juts felt like it. Yes, characters like Arceus COULD do something to solve every major conflict before they happen. But don't, because for story reasons, as in so there's actually stakes at all, they just don't feel it.
>>58929234It was the other way around
>>58933993>posts headcanon
