His entire line is kickass
>>58965047no his entire line is lame and weak. Meganium level shitmon who couldn’t be fixed even with a megayou only pretend to like it because you grew up with pmdslop
>>58965047Treecko is cool and awesome, Grovyle is a great follow up, Sceptile is the first time I've been truly disappointed by a starter evo, it looks so bad.
>>58965047Sceptile ruined the whole line, who the fuck came up with such a bulky and cumbersome design for a mon that's supposed to be agile and nimble?Sceptile was the proto Samurott
>>58965047Why did they make him walk like a dog in pmd?
Hate that GF didn't swap his Attack and Special Attack come gen 4, so he lost the use of his signature Leaf Blade to spam fucking Leaf Storm instead.
>>58965273>Agile and nimbleThat was a Ninjas whole thing not Samurais. Leave Samuchad out of this
>>58965047hes the weakest designed g3 starter easily. I don't hate him at all and grovyle is really cool, but imagine picking this over mudkip. Imagine picking this over torchic. He just doesn't hold a candle. He would have been a better design for a petalburg forest encounter as a 2 stage with no sceptile.
>stuck with a 20bp move until the late 20'sSeriously why did they refuse to give Grass good moves?
>>58965551Treecko is the best looking stage 1 imo, all of the stage 2 starters are great, Blaziken and Sceptile are disappointing stage 3s but Sceptile is the worst.
>>58965490No, I'm talking about Sceptile being the precursor of "Starter pokemon with good first and second stages who's final design ends up working against his concept">Sceptile looks bulky when his evolution line starts as fast and agile looking Pokemon >Samurott looks completely unable to properly wield a sword when his evolution line starts as perfectly capable of wielding their weapons.
I don't like base Sceptile, but I do like his mega, the tree tail is WAY better executed and has an infitely cooler and more fitting fuction and little details like his crests looking like notched leaves are cool.Otherwise yeah, really good line.
My beloved gecko/raptor, shame he's always suffered miserably from being a mono Grass type, unironically Sceptile is worse than even Meganium and faggots who keep whining it should be a physical attacker are ignoring the fact Meowscarada exists, is a better physical version of Sceptile, even has a better special movepool because fuck you and has a broken ability in Protean while Sceptile is stuck with the joke that is Urbuden on a Pokemon that doesn't need speed, or in the Mega's case Lighting Rod, because Gamefreak truly fucking despises Sceptile.>>58965273>Has similar proportions to the other two members of the line>"Oh my heckin basedence, Sceptile is bulky and cumbersome!!!"In what fucking world.....? Even Sceptile's gen 3 sprite always looked fairly agile.I'm genuinely convinced faggots like this who nonstop complain about Sceptile are chronically autistic PMD faggots.
>>58965658TPC at least finds Samuchad aesthetically cool unlike CucktilePic rel is official merch.
>we’re at the point where people will shit on Sceptile unironicallyGrim.
>>58966001Pokken sceptile always looked better anyway
>>58966002True. But the dude it’s fat talk is a bit strange. These things aren’t really stick.
>>58966010Like… this is fat? Or chubby? Really?
>>58966013it's a pear and the clear lack of shoulder bones make it look fat
>>58966021But that’s also the case the previous two forms. So the complaint being aimed at Sceptile feels disingenuous.
>>58965888They also find trash like troonmarina and inceleon cool, lmao
>Good against Roxanne>Resists Wattson>Tate & Liza are effectively also Rock specialists in RS and E only really adds Xatu>Good against Juan/WallaceThe Line's matchup against Hoenn's Gym lineup is surprisingly good>>58965708Broadening the special movepool would help it so much and also let it stand out amongst the other two Hoenn Starters that already favor physical moves.
>>58965708>Even Sceptile's gen 3 sprite always looked fairly agile.No? He's just... Standing there. Look at Grovyle's sprite that's what an agile pokemon looks like, he is in motion showcasing that this thing can zoom around the battlefield.Sceptile looks like he can't take a step backwards because the tail would get in the way >>58965888Because even if Samurott has a problem with his proportions he is still the peak of his evolution line.I love Dewott as a second stage but Samurott still looks more powerful and imposing. The main problem with Sceptile is that Grovyle looks better so you get the feeling of being stuck with a worse version of your starter.>>58966001Sceptile is legit a shit design, it goes against the concept of his pre-evolutionsI don't even hate the thing (Faggot duck and Inteleon deserve the hate Sceptile is just unlucky) but it's a fact that the poor gecko got the short end of the stick
>>58966267You lost btw
>>58966662>it goes against the concept of his pre-evolutionshow
>>58965070>competitiveWe are all autists, but not all on terminal levels
>>58965888OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NOSceptilesisters...what went wrong?????
>>58965888Why is the art for this so all-over-the-place? >buffalo games final evolution jigsaw puzzleThis is lazy as shit lmao
>>58965888why did water never recover from gen 5?
>>58965047Based.
Buff suggestions:>Swap base and Mega Sceptile's abilities for Armor Tail>Give Nasty Plot to set up>Give Earth Power since many Grass-types already do>Give Aura Sphere because Focus Blast sucks ballsNow how good is it?
>>58966941Make it physical that's it
>>58966662You just come off as a very mentally retarded and disingenuous moron.Literally everything you bitch about Sceptile for was already present in Treecko or Grovyle in some way, massive tail on Treecko, pudgy but still slender belly was there since the start. It's one of the coolest evolutionary lines out there visually, with a badass Mega on top of it. You just blindly hate something for no better reason than idiotic autism that you can't even elaborate because it only makes sense in your head and doesn't survive contact with reality.
>>58966941Armor tail doesn't make sense for either, regular Sceptile uses it's tail for balance and attacking and Mega Sceptile just launches the damn thing like a missile. I think Sharpness makes sense on Sceptile, but an interesting way to set it apart would be to make it the first special attacking Sharpness mon, by giving it a special version of Leaf Blade and possibly even Secret Sword, if half the fucking dex by point can learn Sacred Sword, there's no reason it's counterpart shouldn't have some wider distribution as well. Otherwise fairly solid buffs that Sceptile should already have access to, if Meowscarada is allowed to learn Aura Sphere for literally no good reason, so should Sceptile.And the sheer number of Pokemon that learn Nasty Plot and make way less sense to learn it than the smug and keen geckoraptor is obscene.>>58966945How many times do I keep having to bring this up.Look at Sceptile's stats and compare them to Meowscarada's.A theoretical physical Sceptile already exists and if Sceptile had it's attacking stats inverted, it would still be way inferior to Meowscarada anyway, because the stupid fucking cat has every single attack in the fucking game and a busted ability that highly benefits from that.
>>58966989Protean got nerfed to where it only works once until you switch, so Sharpness would actually be superior right?
>>58966941Garchomp getting Nasty Plot before this thing is hilarious. Gamefreak’s balance team is wack.
>>58966989the cat won. simple as is.
The best shiny starter line
>>58967071Nope, because STAB Knock Off and Meowscarada having Triple Axel make this thing disgustingly retarded.Sharpness is a bonkers ability that makes even mediocre mons like Gallade into absolute killing machines, but Sceptile's not great offensive stats and lack of STAB on anything besides Grass severely hurts it to the point even Sharpness wouldn't be able to outright save it.>>58967083I hate how true this is..........
>>58965070>Sloptile and Faganium try to be ultracool with DRAGON and FAIRY type megas but just end up shit with 4x weaknessesGIGAFAIL
>>58967105Power creep is a hell of a drug.
>>58965888I'd take sceptile over inceleon any day.
Sceptile used Bullet Seed!
>>58965708>I'm genuinely convinced faggots like this who nonstop complain about Sceptile are chronically autistic PMD faggots.This was proven back when we had that popularity poll for every Pokemon and Sceptile was the highest placing Hoenn starter.
>>58965047Horse shit until it gets leaf blade>but I'm playing gen 6Haha tough luck pal
>>58965047Treecko was my first mon, he will forever be my top 5
I like sceptile but while we're on the topic, it's movepool is truly terrible. It would have been perfect for a doubles strategy I was working on but just has NO moves. At least in gen 6, I guess it could have been fixed or cut from the dex by now.
>>58965070I like it, and I think PMD is awful garbage made for autistic furfaggot toddlers.
>>58966945I fully agree with >>58966989 on this (Think this Anon and I have spoken quite a bit on the idea). Swapping Sceptile's attacking stats, though it would allow it to make better use of its physical movepool, would not really help it stand out in the long run.>>58966989I still think Armor Tail could work, at least functionally. Making Sceptile immune to priority moves would be a big boon for it.Funny enough, none of base Sceptile's Pokedex entries reference its tail or how it uses it. So there is flexibility there. Using a thick tail to attack or defend with, like Captain America's shield.Sharpness 100% fits Sceptile better thematically, since nearly every Pokedex entry references its sharp arm blades. Sceptile would definitely need more moves though to make the most of it.>Air Cutter and Air Slash, since it already gets Aerial Ace and Acrobatics>Secret Sword, although it is currently exclusive to Keldeo still. But like you said, they did distribute Sacred Sword down the line.>Tachyon Cutter, though it is also currently an exclusive move. Maybe the other Paradox Swords of Justice exclusive moves will be distributed down the line?>And of course a new Grass-type slicing move would be great.Besides Armor Tail and Sharpness, I still think a unique ability that allows physical moves to use the user's Special Attack stat would be great for Sceptile. Question is, what would be the best way to do it?>Physical moves straight-up become special moves. Would lead to some very unique interactions, but would make it literally impossible to run mixed sets.>Physical moves use Special Attack stat for damage calcs, but would still hit like physical moves. Less unique/niche, but would allow for free mixed sets without needing to worry about Intimidate.Thoughts?
>>58966989You can really tell when Game Freak has a favorite child.
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