https://www.pokemonchampions.jp/ja/membership/>Membership is a service that allows you to enjoy Pokémon Champions more deeply, adding several features.>Box Expansion>Increases the number of Pokémon you can store in your Box.>Increased Battle Team Slots>Adds additional slots for teams you can use in battle.>Unlock Membership-Exclusive Missions>Adds missions only available to members, where you can receive gifts.>Additional Battle Music>Adds more battle music tracks you can choose during matches.https://www.pokemonchampions.jp/ja/battlepass/>Purchasing the Premium Battle Pass (paid) unlocks some Battle Pass rewards, allowing you to receive additional outfits for your protagonist and Mega Stones.>The Premium Battle Pass can be purchased each season and remains valid for that season.>Some rewards, such as Mega Stones, can also be obtained by spending VP in the shop.how bad is this going to be?
>seasonal battle passIt's gonna be doa
>the only paid bonuses are cosmetics and expanded featuresThis is like best case scenario, you know
>you VILL pay to use the new megas!Aaaand it's a flop. So much for being the Showdown killer LMFAO
Who is even developing this? Again some Chinese company like with UNITE?
>>58973795Mega stones are free retard, VP can't be purchased
>>58973790and mega stones, you know, a game changing gimmick
>>58973835It's ILCA, you know the infamous BDSP.
>>58973840How do you know every single Mega Stone can be obtained for free? Who says there won't be a Mega Stone that's exclusive to the Premium Battle Pass?
>>58973840the way these monetization schemes work is that you buy access to missions which give vp
>>58973711>spend money on slots so you don't have to throw away ol reliable for new and shiny>spend money to not grind for the things you want because the grind is boring and miserableI quit Warframe for a reason, TPC. I'm not coming back.
>>58973840I'm still waiting for my free Kalos starters stones in ZA.
>battlepass
>>58973950You get VP for playing online too, more than anything it's a way to force engagement and keep matchmaking active because you get your daily or whatever. Oldest MMO trick in the book.
>>58973887>>58973936The way the section on the site is worded basically means you can get mega stones from the pass, OR you can also get them from VP. Of course, it's probably faster to get it through the pass, but megas aren't going to be locked behind a paywall.
Back to Showdown! kek
>>58973711expected as much
>>58974039>but megas aren't going to be locked behind a paywall.See>>58973982
>>58974010But can you get Quick Coupons from playing online?
>>58974054Honestly this is the truth, I think they're misunderstanding there's a well established totally free service doing the same thing
>>58974096Probably not. Though you can see there VP is also usable in place of quick coupons.
>>58973711Seems ok...I will only be building monotype Ground-teams, so I won't even really need to have that many slots in my box or buy that many mega stones with VP. And of course you don't really need to buy team slots when you can just keep changing the one.
>>58973711>battle pass>for mega stonesoh no, its dead
>>58973795It doesn't need to draw players from showdown, it just needs to be an online battle app they can then use as reason to C'n'D showdown for illegal use of their IP.>muh open surce!11Irrelevant, the next one up will remain small and incestuous, because any time they get big enough to be brought to TPC/TPCi's attention, they're getting shitcanned. There's enough normie fags will just play Cham,pions than server hop looking for the next showdown.
>>58974135It's twice as expensive to do that as outright recruiting a pokemon from the lineup of 10.
>>58973795>Showdown killerThey just need it to exist + send a DMCA for that
>>58974192>put it behind russian serversOops!
Who cares about recruiting? Can't you just use pokemon you already have from Home?
>>58974116I think you misunderstand they know EXACTLY what a showdown is and made an online battle sim app to specifically shut the shitheads down. Everyone's a brave little bitch, until they get a $1,000-an-hour lawyer dropping a nice "shut it the fuck down or go to court" letter in the door. And I've yet to see one solitary shithead fighting them and being allowed to continue their illegal use of Pokémon's IP.
>>58974078Good thing we're talking about Champions, not ZA. A single player game needing Nitnendo's separate service and a PvP game going P2W with locked content aren't the same thing at all.
>>58974263>pay american ISP's to block it on grounds of encouraging copyright infringementCheck and mate niggers!
>>58973711>>Adds additional slots for teams you can use in battle.Is this basically more battle boxes? Either way, I'm probably going to spend way more time playing the format on Showdown.
>>58974206compare old screenshot of this screenvp cost went from 1k to 2.5k and the ticket system was added
>>58974297>VPN>DNS changeOops!
>>58974206Right. Because the object here is >get player to log on every day>get player to play a few matches every day for their rewards>this way the player count and engagement metrics stay high>this maximizes the odds of selling premium content to the 0.001% of whales who will leave the game if it slows downF2P has been cancer since its inception, you act like this is news to you. This is how every F2P GaaS title works. It's all just a horrible skinner box designed to keep you addicted to daily engagement to maximize the likelihood of landing a whale.
>>58973840>VP can't be purchasedYeah and just like LITERALLY every game like this, you will need to grind hours, days and weeks to get ONE(1) mega stone.Don't act like you're going to get one on day one unless you're some fucking autist pubstomping kids in a kid's game.
Please tell me this is digital exclusive like all the other slop and not getting a physical release.
ive seen enough. this game is doa and all the goodwill around vgc theyve built up over the past few gens will evaporate
>>58974267As someone won't be using rentals/recruits, my concern is the auxillary expenses.If they monetize the fuck(ie battle passes/misc nickel dime) out of what we were getting for free in the main games sans the cost of Nintendo membership, then I may be out before it even begins.
>>58974267yeah the big flaw in their master plan is>inject whatever pokemon you want>move it to Home>now you have it for free on ChampionsThe only thing that will be interesting to see is how the system "talks" to Home. Does the Champions reworking logic (spend VP to adjust IVs, natures, moves, abilities, etc) actually MODIFY Pokemon from Home? Is it a transfer? Or can you only use the VP-editing systems on Pokemon obtained in Champions, and your Home mons are just "represented" as is via an account connection?
>>58974390You are in luck, it's literally mobile phone game.
>>58973840Free with an $90 purchase legends ZA (floette and kalos starters). >>58974390Don't worry, they are only selling the battle pass irl (in Japan)
>>58974419Yeah but that way they already won by forcing you into a Home subscription
>>58974419The whole recruiting system is probably aimed at people who'll play on mobile without engaging with the main console games. It could work, there's a lot more money moving around in the mobile market than all consoles and PCs put together.
>>58974321>ignoring the vast majority of showderp's most retarded users will be automatically filtered by "need a vpn"Enjoy playing with the same 30 people bru. You also ignore, even if they're hosting it elsewhere, TPCi can still actually nail the cunts to a wall for continuing to persist the website, despite any court-order to shutter it? Don't do crimes, you sure as fuck won't get away with any outside stealing vidya if you think the admins of a website can't be financially ruined by a far larger, far richer entity to the point the big boys give up and leave them alone. Either finch kills it, or finch gets bankrupted and probably a bitta bird for refusing to comply with the shutdown order.>bru thinks finch will willingly get bankrupted just so (She) can continue pretending to be ash ketchum, online
>>58974459Again, it depends on how it works. If you transfer mons TO Champions, not really. You only need the Home subscription long enough to transfer everything in one time and you're basically set, that probably takes a day or two, you're only out the one month. Hell there's probably a free trial of Home that would do it, I haven't checked.If the way it works is you "use" mons from Home without transferring them, then yeah you're right.
>>58974419>move it to HOME>you now have to send Pokemon to Champions based on their description of how it works>this is when the stats and allocated EVs are somehow just gone and the movesets are reset
>>58974470I haven't played a mainline game since X and Y so if I were ever to engage with Champions, that would be how I did it.
>>58973711>battle passOh you are fucking kidding me! I predict EoS by next year.
>>58974507kek wait really? They just reset the mons on transfer in? No way. How the fuck is this software even going to be USABLE for VGC?
>>58974459Why? There's a free box without sub on Home to transfer things between games.
>>589744721) url change, Oops!2) they already have a VPN to access their pron sites3) I'll always know how to access it and I'll always have enough people to play against so it will never die. TPC can't winlast reply from me anon-kun
>>58974451>Free with an $90 purchase legends ZA (floette and kalos starters).And a $20 Nintendo Online subscription, because you can only get them with online matches.
>>58974459Honestly forcing a Home subscription would be the least scummy thing they could do. What is it like 15$ for a year? Combined with the Nintendo Online service it's a total of 35$ per year. It could be so much worse.
>>58974638>And a $20 Nintendo Online subscription,That was included anon, Switch games aren't 90 bucks yet.
>>58974555lol, did you realized now? It's to prevent a genned pokemon to have battle ready without grinding shit and buying their service.
>>58973711>Some rewards, such as Mega Stones, can also be obtained by spending VP in the shop.so it is pay to win then
>>58974555>Only Pokémon that appear in Pokémon Champions will be able to visit from Pokémon HOME.>Pokémon obtained in Pokémon Champions cannot be sent to Pokémon HOME.>Pokémon can only be sent to a game through Pokémon HOME if they appear in that game.>If Pokémon brought over as visitors know moves that cannot be used in Pokémon Champions, you’ll need to change those moves via training.>Training underwent in Pokémon Champions won't carry over to Pokémon HOME, but if the same Pokémon visit Pokémon Champions again, any training they received will be saved.>If a visiting Pokémon leaves Pokémon Champions and then returns in a different form, the results of any training that Pokémon had undergone in Pokémon Champions will be lost.They are just covering their asses in case they make a balance change and delete another move from Smeargle.>>58974638You get the stones in Champions by depositing a ZA-originated Starter of Floette. You don't need to play ZA ranked.>>58974667No, that's just the price of video games these days.
>>58974555Champions stats don't affect game stats and vice versa. Unless the game changed the mon's form, in which case the champions stats will be reset>How the fuck is this software even going to be USABLE for VGC?It will be usable, you just need to train your mons inside Champions :^)
>>58974555I support it honestly. I'd rather all of us suffer by resetting parameters in Champions than make it a pokegen playground where the only moron is the one actually engages with game mechanics to train
>>58974615Cool, will you cry when finch has to shut up shop, because he can't afford to live in a fixed address any longer?There's no world where you win, they made this to shut down showdown, finally releasing something that ensures showdown competes directly with thier IP usoing their IP. If it surveives, I hppe you played fakemon ladders, but given they'll need to remake a whole new engine for that (lol, Game Freak IP) maybe you won't in fact want to play nu-downs.
>>58974710So here’s what’s actually happening then:>when you “transfer” a mon from Home, it just sets an unlock flag for that mon in Champions, and sets unlock/init flags for its current properties>Champions does no further talking to Home, you are only changing the properties of the mon in Champions>mon forms have different IDs in Champions for some stupid fucking reason (does this only apply to things like Galarian forms? Or is it resetting your EVs based on your Deoxys stone?) so bringin a mon over with a different form is just initializing a different Champions unlock lineThere’s surely a way to abuse this, I just don’t fully see it without more details. I think in large part it will depend on how VP are used; do you spend them to change a mon at all, or merely to unlock changes?
>>58974751Champions limits your ability to teambuild via time gates. VP are earned just by waiting. You’re talking about a situation where VGC prep means NOT playing the game (or at least, not engaging with it outside of basic rental battles) to stockpile VP to actually build your team.
>>58974843You spend it on every change, proportional to how much the pokemon is trained.You can do a single training for free with a Training Ticket.
>>58974896>You spend it on every changeEvery time? If I swap follow me for fake out, that costs 500 VP, and then I swap it back to follow me, that’s 500 VP, and then I change my mind again and swap it back to fake out that’s 500 VP?
So why do you guys think you can't "transfer" Pokemon acquired in Champions?Are they going to make impossible to acquire Pokemon available there? Like with unique abilities and moves that aren't available in other games? What's the thought process here
>>58973711price?
>>58974951if it’s too easy to acquire mons you don’t have, 300 million autists might not pay $140 to own BOTH versions of the game to access the two different colors of mud slug.
>>58974951Makes it harder for chinks to set up alts, collect their free currency, then pool all the resources through a single home account into a single champions account.
>>58973982You'll never the the Mystery gifts of all of the Megastones excluse to ZA royale.
>>58975067>You'll never get the Mystery gifts of all of the Megastones excluse to ZA royale.Fix'd
>>58975034Ah good point. Well, the makes the game sound better if Pokemon are going to be so easy to acquire.>>58975035Yah lost me, I don't see how this is related
>>58974951They look like "rentals" unless you transfer them from your own games
>>58975120NTA: presume the “daily roster” is random. Not a common list of mons for all players. This is a safe assumption since its timer can be advanced for a cost; it’s basically 6 daily gacha pulls per player for free.If you can trade mons out of champions, here’s the natdex meta:>make Champions account with 10minutemail>use starting gift VP you’re sure to get to buy as many available mons as you can>transfer them to home>make a new Champions account with 10minutemail>rinse and repeat>fill your Home PC with mons acquired from starting a new account over and over
>>58975120>Yah lost me, I don't see how this is relatedIf you can transfer anything out of champions, having x accounts lets you get x times the rewards. Time-gated by only having enough resources to be able to train 1 pokemon at a time? 10 accounts lets you train 10 of them."Visiting" pokemon prevents any kind of transfer between different champions accounts.
>>58973711Sticking to Showdown seems like the best call after all
>>58975224It’s amazing watching TPCi snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like this. Sasuga, Pokemon.
>>58973711This only exists to shutdown Showdown, I hope the smoggies are archiving their code.
>>58974885I assume anyone who is playing competitively for a prize pool will probably pay-to-win.
>>58975301Ninty could shut down Showdown at any time if they wanted, this game doesn’t need to exist for it to happen.
>>58975330Can’t buy VP. That’s the whole gimmick. You have to play the game to earn it. Except if you want to have it in order to actually teambuild for a tournament, you have to amass it and not use it, BECAUSE you can’t buy it.
is it free to play at least?Give me a reason to transfer my megas from USUM prison.
>>58973711>competitive Pokémon is always pay to play.What else is new?
>have to be transfered via HomeIt's just payed service after payed service with the guys.
>>58973711missed a pagehttps://www.pokemonchampions.jp/ja/plus-starterpack/>starter pack is purchasable once per account>adds 50 pokemon storage slots>50 training tickets>30 recruitment tickets>LGPE vs trainer musicnotably, none of the tickets that speed up the recruitment timer
>>58976218Training tickets are the most psychotic purchase I can imagine. VP scales with the adjustments you make, but training tickets cover an entire training adjustment’s cost all at once. But from what we’ve seen, tickets are always consumed BEFORE VP, you don’t get to choose.So you want to change one move on a mon, that’s your training ticket gone. No different than booting up a brand new mon from scratch with 4 new moves, new nature, EV spread, and hidden ability.This is such a mess.
>>58974192You know Showdown isn't the first online battle simulator, right? TPC has even spoke with Showdown's admins and tacitly approved of it as long as they don't charge money. They'd rather it all be in one place than be spread out all over the internet.
>>58975382Do you plan on entering tournaments?
>>58976572No, but thousands of people do, and they’ve already said that this is the mandatory software for participation. How it’s balanced is going to impact how tournaments play out and if it’s balanced around “make them wait” it’s going to incentivize people to not actually play it because of resource stockpiling concerns.It’s the exact opposite of what you want, the system seems to WANT people to play more often, to keep the counts up, but the reward structure punishes you for using rewards you earn from playing to continue playing. It just seems weird.
>>58975382>>58976218If they're throwing around training tickets in bundles of 30 chances are anyone that plays even a tiny amount will be swimming in them. Think of how common gold bottle caps are in SV. I got Master Ball rank a few times back in Series 1,2, and Reg C and never played in game again and I still have dozens. It's not unreasonable to think that you'll have more than enough training tickets from casual play. Plus you could always just hack a Pokemon the old fashioned way and transfer them in through Home.
>>58976655If they scale rewards based on how well you do it'll be ok and not effect revenue too much, I can't imagine most whales are good players
So>Pay for Switch online>Pay for Pokemon Home so you can send your Pokemon to Champions>Also pay for ChampionsYeah I will pass>But it's only cosmetic stuff!For now
>>58973711once again TPCI shows they SUCK at monetization.If this wasn't the official format for Worlds this would FLOP in a year
>>58973711>Additional Battle Music>Adds more battle music tracks you can choose during matches.Damn, they're really going all out with this bullshit aren't they? >>58975702Wow. >>58976218Oh, and the music you get with the premium aren't even new remixes? Gay as fuck
>>58976655If tickets are easy to obtain there’s not much path to monetization. More to the point, tickets serve no purpose if they can be (easily) earned in game as then what’s the point of VP?You could make the case that VP will be easy to amass in casual play, but that remains to be seen.
>>58978572Cosmetics is always a path for monetization. But as long as we don't know the specifics of how much time and money things cost, we can only guess how bad it's gonna be
>costs increased to encourage training with the premium currency>battle pass>premium membership>unlocking mons in-game locked behind a gacha>alternative is paying for homethis game is absolutely DoA
>>58973887>, you know,Stopped reading. Post like an adult or don't post at all.
>>58977898One again, pay to play.
>>58973711Called most of these (music and cosmetic changes) being linked to some form of Battle Pass when the game first got announced, but Mega Stones is the most concerning one here because this will also hold true once Z-Moves, Tera, etc. get added to the game.
>>58973933the only good pokemon game other than pla since the DS?
>>58979364Paying for HOME would be significantly cheaper.
>>58974166Based Monotype enjoyer.
>>58975035This is exactly the reason why you wont be able to transfer them off.
>>58974951Because you dont catch themThis is why GO does transfers but evey orher spin off including Pokopia doesnt
>>58973711THEYWILL BUYITANYWAYSJUST LIKE THEY DID WITH THE FRLG ROMSFor God's sake /vp/ don't reward them for this shit, have some basic fucking dignity over the normgroids here
>>58973711>Box Expansion>Increases the number of Pokémon you can store in your Box.>Increased Battle Team Slots>Adds additional slots for teams you can use in battle.What is the default??In PBR, you just copy all boxes from a save file of your choice.
>>58973840But tickets, which are like VP but better, CAN be purchased.
I just wanted a Pokemon Stadium game that was up-to-date but here I am getting monkeys-pawed with this microtransaction slop. All these talks of memberships, battle passes, and tickets are disgustingSeriously if GF could get away with it, they'd drop the mainline series and just make their mobile games
>>58973711I'm confused, is membership also paid?
>>58981905If you transfer your mons from home you get to skip like 90% of this mobile currency crap
>>58982056Yes. The main draw seems to be better missions that will likely let you grind VP easier.>>58982113Call me crazy but I always had the most fun with rentals back in the old n64 games so it kinda sucks that's not a feasible option anymore.And besides a big problem are the battle passes. Mega Stones and eventually Z Crystals must be earned within Champions and can only be obtained by either grinding on a paid battle pass, or grinding 10x harder for VP to get it for free. It just plain don't sound like fun.
