>>58980243
Aka the kino era

>>58980243
What the fuck happened to this series? At least Winds and Waves looks to try and attempt to correct the damage the 3DS and Switch era caused.

>>58980263
getting way too optimistic bucko, we know barely anything about Winds and Waves.

>>58980263
Gen 6
Gen 6 had severe production issues because developing in 3D was harder than anticipated, so released incomplete, but then Game Freak was never punished. This is known from the leaks.
So they never put effort in again. Why give 100 when giving 50 produces the same result.

>>58980243
Why do people glaze B&W2?
I stopped at B&W, didn't enjoy it much
from the ds era I had hg, pearl and bw. hg is one of my favorite games of all time and I sank 1000+ hours in it. bw and pearl I didn't enjoy as much

>>58980243
>rehash
>rehash
>dogshit
>rehash of dogshit
yeah you can tell

>>58980306
>Gen 6 had severe production issues because developing in 3D was harder than anticipated, so released incomplete,
And yet somehow it has objectively more content and polish than gen 5

>>58980521
>Why do people glaze B&W2?
they're good games
you may or may not enjoy them depending on the reasons you didn't like BW

>>58980263
GameFreak already struggles with making 2D games. The jump to 3D ruined them and put front and center the core flaws of the franchise that was hidden well by the more simplistic 2D format.
Doesn't help that they refuse any and all assistance from Nintendo and prefer to continuing LARPing as small indie company please understand.

But let's be real, nothing actually went wrong. Pokemon is selling more than ever before despite the quality drop.

>>58980521
B&W were mediocre at best, and are often the scapegoat for when people want to trash Gen 5 because that's their only experience with it.
B&W2 were actually good, but get a bad reputation because they're tied to B&W.

>>58980521
>Why do people glaze B&W2?
it was their first game

>>58980263
>At least Winds and Waves looks to try and attempt to correct the damage the 3DS and Switch era caused
I doubt they're reverting the exp share back to its original form, so big doubt on that claim.

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>>58980553
>I doubt they're making the games objectively worse, so big doubt on that claim
still not refuted btw

>>58980521
what are your problems with black and white? I’m not asking that as a gotcha, I’m asking that because b2w2 fixed several issues with the original games and depending on what you answer, your problems may have been addressed

damn he's shitposting at full throttle today

>>58980541
>But let's be real, nothing actually went wrong. Pokemon is selling more than ever before despite the quality drop.
We're not shareholders, so get that kike metric out of here.
The games are dogshit and have been getting progressively worse for generations.

>>58980306
Inb4 someone projects this onto BW

>>58980588
>The games are dogshit and have been getting progressively worse for generations.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're lying to yourself if you think at least 80% of the shitposters trashing on it now aren't pre-ordering it the instant they can.

>>58980569
Clefairy can only be caught at level 8 in the first room of Mt. Moon.

>>58980551
It wasn't mine. I started with ORAS and worked my way backwards. I loved BW2 more than everything after.

>>58980569
>designing the gameplay around overleveling is le good thing!
I just want to level up my Abra/Magikarp. It's not my fault you're too ADHD to take a few minutes to train your pokemon.

>>58980600
>>58980606
don't bother

>>58980569
They were refuted in that very thread

>>58980569
>Complains about having to use the new Pokemon
>When people tell him to use it from the point he encountered it, complains that the levels gained from picking it up to that battle wouldn't help at all
So what you're saying is EXP All wouldn't have helped either way?

>>58980605
Same here! I enjoyed the lazy poorly animated sprites, lack of contests, lack of ribbon collecting, lack of secret bases, lack of berry farming, lack of dexnav, lack of pokemon amie, lack of super training, worse battle facilities, fewer routes, and worse multiplayer way more than ORAS!

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>>58980606
>>designing the gameplay around overleveling is le good thing!
No, it's a bad thing. Which is why I'm arguing exp share is good. You aight, schizo?

>>58980651
>lazy poorly animated sprites
They're 100x more soulful than the stiff reused 3D models from Gen 6 onward.

>>58980664
>one pokemon overleveled versus and entire box of overleveled pokemon
maybe use more than one pokemon and that wouldn't happen.

>>58980583
I mean yeah, people on this board actually seem to like the new game so he can't say it's actually good even when it's crap.
So as a result he has to go to his usual tactics; seething at Gen 5's superiority.

>>58980667
This. It's very cool how my Samurott does a single animation that shows its legs flopping around like an animinatronic no matter what's happening on the screen unlike those stiff soulless gen 6 models that actually show it pulling out its sword and reacting to things that are happening to it.

>>58980637
>exp all eventually makes it usable
>no exp all makes it permanently deadweight

>>58980606
NTA but in well-designed (J)RPGs, you never have to go out of your way to grind. Just playing smart and using the resources you have on hand (defense, abilities, items, etc) will get you through. Grinding is an option to better your chances or if you just want to mash Attack over and over, but is never really necessary, again, in well-designed RPGs.
Pokemon is different because it's not designed like a traditional RPG. You don't get specific party members at specific levels, you have full control over when and where you get new companions, and they're not always at appropriate levels for the challenges you're facing at the time, forcing a grind. EXP Share and later EXP All were added to mitigate that, and if, in theory, the game is properly balanced around that (which it won't because GF has been shit at game design balance since day one), there's nothing wrong with it. Nobody complains about benched party members getting EXP in other games outside of some hardcore autists.

>>58980615
>>58980637
>>58980667
>>58980680
i don't know if you're all tourists or just stupid, but you're arguing with a troll who's been spewing the same bad faith arguments for literal years. he's been doing this since before the pandemic. you're not going to change his mind, you're not going to humiliate him in any meaningful way, just walk away.

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>>58980680
>>one pokemon overleveled

>>58980651
Don’t forget the worse exploration lol

The best thing about ORAS is that it’s better by default simply because it’s a remaken of a game from back when GF actually knew how to design Pokemon games

>>58980711
I haven't browsed /vp/ since like 2018/19, so I was not aware this was some new autist.
>>58980704
I would've been fine with it if they kept the original item in tact and added in the full team share as a separate thing.

>>58980688
Yeah it's really cool how Hitmontop isn't a top anymore and Typhlosion doesn't remain ignited. Very soulful. I like how Marshtomp and Swampert look like soulless zombies now too, very aesthetic.

3 of these are re-releases...

>>58980306
>Game Freak was never punished
Because XY's changes were substantial for the time.

>>58980600
So if Clefairy was lv12 it would have been able to beat Pidgeotto?

>>58980600
True. They most likely never used it yet

>>58980747
I do admit that having the option to turn it off like its early implementation is better than not. But GameFreak and good design decisions have never seen eye to eye.

>>58980569
Actually I think the Exp. Share is fine, just needs the option to turn off

>>58980651
I enjoyed the story, pretty locations, great music, fun Pokémon (some of which I had seen in Gen 6 prior) and all the small details and features like the Join Avenue and Curtis/Yancy

>>58980243
Imagine being here because you can't stop complaining about a franchise that peaked 17 years ago and you can't move on with your life

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>>58980798
Actually I think not being able to turn it off is fine, GF just needs to learn how to balance their fucking game which they already did a good job of in Gen 7

>>58980734
ORAS is dog shit lmao

>>58980818
Then it says a lot that BW2 is worse

>>58980794
>I do admit that having the option to turn it off like its early implementation is better than not
Wait, you can't even fucking turn it off anymore?

>>58980702
>Using the Pokemon means that you used it in some battles
>EXP all means that you have no reason to use it
Gee, it's almost like you shouldn't dump EXP directly into Pokemon and instead have it accumulate over the course of the game to be distributed as the player sees fit.
>>58980780
No, therefore EXP All would not have made Clefairy usable either. So you either get to use it in some earlier battles with the old method, or not at all with the new one. Or, if we go by above proposed example, maybe there was enough excess EXP to get it to an even higher level. Regardless, I think no matter what, we can agree that EXP scaling would have helped get it up to level better, XY really dropped the ball by removing it temporarily.
>>58980734
B2W2 genuinely had more exploration than BW, which was already solid by Pokemon standards. ORAS was a highlight of Gen 6 though, XY was absolutely fucking dire when it came to exploration.

>>58980823
Bait or retarded

>>58980306
Wow this post really made him mad, huh?

>>58980263
Very QRD from someone who autistically combed through a lot of the teraleak
>Gen 6 was yet again a case of Masuda being incredibly ambitious and making his magnum opus for the 4th time, also working on a new platform in full 3D
>Masuda and Sugimori get in a huge fight (Masuda is obviously a good director but there’s a lot of internal talk about him basically running things like a dictator too) and there are production problems
>For some context, Diamond and Pearl had similar challenges with scope and ambition while developing for a new platform but GF got to push it back a year because the DS was selling well
>Now the 3DS is flopping (too expensive, no big hit titles, no one cares about the 3D feature) so Nintendo NEEDS Pokemon to start moving units, we get X/Y (and probably ORAS too) a year before we should. They sell great and the 3DS eventually bounces back.
>For SM, Masuda passes the torch to Takao Unno (BW2 director), Ohmori I believe is his deputy at the time. They waste a ton of time ideaguying (there are so many design docs for dumb feature ideas it’s unreal) but they’re having fun, they want to do well for the 20th anniversary
>The scale of how difficult these games are eventually dawns on them and Unno has a nervous breakdown midway through and steps down, Ohmori takes over and has to throw shit together quickly. Lots of retrospective documents about how to manage things better, for reference you were supposed to be able to build an actual league with 8 gyms and surf between islands so S/M ended up hilariously unfinished.
>Zero chance of a pushing back the release date either because of the 20th anniversary and all, negative zero chance after GO’s success
>Switch is the point of no return: they’re developing for a new HD home console, they don’t have Masuda’s leadership anymore, the Wii U was an abysmal failure so Nintendo NEEDS Pokemon games on the Switch asap, TPCi slashes budgets and has them do 5 games + 5 DLC in the Switch era

>>58980812
That says more about retards in the Youtube comment section than anything else. From personal experience SM plays better with EXP share off compared to on, but I also am hesitant to play it again to test because the cutscenes are fucking miserable.

>>58980854
It's bait? BW2 actually does have all lazily cut content >>58980651 mentioned and I just hallucinated it? Please show me where I can access the good game part of BW2

>>58980844
>>Using the Pokemon means that you used it in some battles
But >>58980569 did try using it in some battles and it just fainted.

>No, therefore EXP All would not have made Clefairy usable either.
But it would have eventually made it usable.

>>58980844
>XY was absolutely fucking dire when it came to exploration
And yet somehow BW and BW2's exploration was worse.

>>58980890
I think the people screeching about EXP Share says more about the retards on /vp/ who fundamentally fail to understand JRPG mechanics than anything else.

>>58980664
It's extremely unlikely to end up at that level by then. The Level 35 Darmanitan can't be caught yet because you can't get the earliest RageCandyBar until Iccirus City. You can get one from Professor Juniper but she never showed up for me until much later on.

Now if you catch a Darumaka, assuming you use it in as many battles as possible, it's unlikely to be above Level 28.

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>>58980951
>It's extremely unlikely to end up at that level by then

>>58980961
>proves he's really just using one pokemon to get this result

>>58980720
1. No evidence of this being the same playthrough
2. You could've easily grinded

>>58980976
You can pick Scraggy as your starter instead of the other three awful choices? holy fuck how?

>>58980777
Inb4 Typhlosion isn't on fire unless it's fighting.

Well 90% of the time it's gonna be fighting sooo

reminder there was entire thread of someone doing a BW2 challenge mode playthrough and sagefag started having a meltdown when the OP showed how he was steamrolling the game with multiple overleveled pokemon
https://archive.palanq.win/vp/thread/56085102
https://archive.palanq.win/vp/thread/56093493

>>58980961
And yet when I do the exact same thing I'm barely level 30 by the time I fight Elesa.

>>58981008
I've read through these threads and there was no proof the guy didn't grind.

>>58981008
They had a single overleveled Gothitelle and a bumch around the level or a little under. There's a few points where they mention a bit of grinding.

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>I-I-IT'S NOT THE SAME PLAYTHROUGH
>H-HE MUST HAVE GRINDED!!!
why do gen 5 haters have more familiarity with gen 5 than gen 5 fans?

>>58981019
didn't he leave the game running for 2 days straight to obfuscate his playtime? that or he was using speedup

we broke him guys

>>58980541
I think the jump to 3D was fine. The worse thing was the jump to home console. Pokémon is not a AAA game. It's a B tier game that worked well on handheld consoles because they were inherently limited and Pokémon was as good as it ggets. Some games managed to step up, like Fire Emblem. But Pokémon could not and has not. Game Freak have failed time and time again to meet the expectations of a home console game

>>58981008
Still pushing your gay lover?

>>58981040
Maybe it's like being racist. Calling somebody a nigger is easy ragebait, but getting to understand the culture, language, and then deconstructing it. That's true racism. Or reading a religious text to use it against believers

>>58981101
the blame for that lies at nintendo's feet. there is no dedicated handheld console anymore. if there was one, and pokemon was on that, the games would still be bad from a design standpoint, but they wouldn't be embarrassments from a technical standpoint.

>>58981101
>Some games managed to step up, like Fire Emblem.
tbf, Fire Emblem already had titles on home consoles prior to Switch

>>58980994
it has to turn off the fire so it doesn't burn the children it's sleeping with

>>58980243
Golden era home....

>>58981145
upvoted

>>58981129
I don't think you're actually racist if you're just doing it to "ragebait". You're just a dedicated troll then.

>>58980941
>And yet somehow BW and BW2's exploration was worse.
Let's just go BW alone, major optional areas in the campaign in order
>Early Desert Resort/Relic Castle to get a few Pokemon encounters and items
>An optional route and dungeon with very little at the time unless you have an event Pokemon and a single waterfall to explore later
>An optional town for train autists
>After getting Surf at Twist Mountain you unlock:
>Two entire optional routes
>Mistralton Cave which starts a legendary hunt
>Revisiting Wellspring Cave to actually explore with all the HMs
>Moor of Icirrus is just optional in general
Compared to XY which has, in order
>An optional route at the start of the game, where the rare encounter highlight Pokemon is a mandatory gift later in the game
>Azure Bay, which leads to a single room that is barely used in post-game
>Lost Hotel, the best area in the game
>An okay optional route
>Terminus Cave, which decides to cockblock you from visiting the single room with a legendary at the end until post-game
>Unknown Dungeon, a single empty room until post-game
>Chamber of Emptiness, a single empty room until post-game
By quantity it technically has one more segment than BW alone, but given two of XY's are empty rooms it's qualitatively worse by basically every metric that doesn't value Lost Hotel as mankind's greatest achievement (which by XY fan standards it is, I'm glad you guys get something good). This isn't even getting into the exploration in BW's post-game or B2W2 at all, where it only becomes worse for XY.
>I think the people screeching about EXP Share says more about the retards on /vp/ who fundamentally fail to understand JRPG mechanics than anything else.
I dunno man, I look at Bravely Default, Xenoblade, and Dragon Quest 10 and see solutions to Pokemon's fundamental differences between most JRPGs, and then see somebody talk about the newest Digimon game giving EXP to boxed Digimon like there's not a reincarnation style system.

>>58981160
But you get what I mean. It's easy calling somebody a unovabort or something. But it takes a true hater to play through the game and sink more hours into it than a fan would, just to shit on it.

>>58981160
the most dedicated troll unwittingly exposes himself as sincere

>>58981183
>Let's just go BW alone, major optional areas
>immediately starts with a non-optional area
Thanks for letting me know immediately that your post is disingenuous.

>>58981203
>unovabort
speaking of which, i've noticed the term "bortimer" pop up recently and i don't know man, i can't even feel insulted anymore. it's like when people call america "shartistan". your insult is so far removed from the thing you are trying to insult that the original word is completely absent.

>>58980536
XY and ORAS have no postgame btw

>>58981293
ORAS at least has the Delta Episode

>>58981309
>the Delta Cutscene

>>58980536
objectively false

>>58981293
BW and BW2 have no postgame btw

>>58981318
Jewish lies.

>>58981315
How do I plant berries and customize my trainer then?

>>58981008
I don't have a horse in this race, but you DO get overlevelled in challenge mode.
Everything is higher level, so you slingshot over the exp curve faster, but then enemy stats aren't actually increased, so you kinda snowball, and it's actually easier to use more underlevelled pokemon, who then slingshot level up.
Challenge Mode is a weird little beast. Not well made at all.

>>58981313
well, it is called an episode lol

>>58981336
Just buy them.

>>58981227
The first visit was clearly designed to be visited earlier in the game. That's like saying Kanto Route 22 early isn't optional, when there's an entire missable fight on it. But if you want to not include that, sure. Then without the two areas that are technically mandatory that's 5 areas. And without the two areas that are just single empty rooms, XY has 5 too. Glad we can agree that BW's campaign has the exact same exploration as XY's campaign, therefore meaning BW's post-game and B2W2 would by definition add more and unless all of them were the Battle Palace, Battle Maison, or BW Black City/White Forest there must be something qualitatively worthwhile. Like, Abyssal Ruins alone is way better than anything outside of the Lost Hotel (and I'm not willing to go into detail on which of the two is better at the moment, let's say they're on par but value very different types of things so direct comparison on any front would make either of them look worse). However, if you do want to count BW's version exclusive areas against Gen 5 I wouldn't blame you, there's more than enough going on to make up for it.

>>58981336
How do I play a Battle Tower clone where the AI isn't fundamentally broken in trivial ways? How do I go through a single Pokemon battle without the framerate dropping?

>>58980704
Bro old school rpgs like dragon quest (which pokemon was inspired by) are grind fests

>>58981423
>That's like saying Kanto Route 22 early isn't optional
It isn't.
>B-BUT THERE'S MORE OPTIONAL EXPLORATION BECAUSE OF THE POSTGAME!
By that shitty logic Kalos has more exploration because it has more routes and I can simply choose not to play them.

>>58981011
Don't reply to yawnfag, just ignore that fag he's autistically obsessed with B2W2 and always engages in bad faith.

Where can I get gems in XY?

>>58980243
I'm so glad I grew up during pokemon's peak, I truly feel bad with the dogshit gen alpha is being fed

>>58981514
Come on anon, don't engage with yawnie downie. She'll just reply with "where can I farm berries in B2W2" or some other retarded shit.

Why does this one dude have such an autistic hatred of gen 5? I feel like I've seen these same posts for years now

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>>58981551
leading theory is that he's the one gen 6 fan to ever exist and he's mad people consider 5 to be the last good gen

>>58981565
makes sense to me. probably a mid-to-late zoomer whose first games were X/Y.

>>58981553
>claim low quality product is high quality
So? Who cares what wrong people think? That's not a reason to constantly get into arguments about it

>>58981551
Guaranteed replies, it probably isn't the original yawntard anymore just a bunch of retards who reply the same comments day in and day out. Best case scenario: Some retards from sharty and some autistic schizos, and the worst case scenario: LLMs/bots replying to each other daily.

>>58980263
>What the fuck happened to this series?
The lazy fucks at gamefreak vetoed Masuda because he had the audacity to expect a game development studio to develop games

>>58981586
>That's not a reason to constantly get into arguments about it
Who do you think started this thread, anon?

>>58981011
>And yet when I do the exact same thing
post proof then
these gifs would be extremely easy to disprove if they were actually wrong, yet conveniently enough no one has done it

>>58981640
a guy wanting to express his love for good games? (and soulsilver)

>>58981640
Some guy who likes gen 4 and 5

>>58981649
I did it once like a year ago on B2 challenge and you shitposters conveniently ignored my thread.

>>58980541
>Doesn't help that they refuse any and all assistance from Nintendo and prefer to continuing LARPing as small indie company please understand.
They had assistance from monolith for SWSH the problem is no amount of help will yield a good product when the main team behind the project has no idea what theyre doing. And Nintendo's not gonna deploy multiple teams to work on a single pokemon game theyre not Activision blizzard who've been coasting on the same two dying IPs for decades

>>58981664
>I did it once like a year ago on B2 challenge
post it then

>>58981677
>post it again, and again and again forever
Nah, I'm just ignoring you from now on, as everyone should.

>>58981668
How pissed do you think Monolith is, to have probably had dozens of exchanges like "Here is a basic, stripped down thing that you can retool into your finished concept", then see exactly that thing, untouched, in the final release.

>>58981747
So you’re shitposting and don’t actually have proof, got it

This is why yawnfag is so effective btw, he actually plays the games and backs up what he says

>>58981747
will you do it for me, someone who is genuinely curious? find it in the archive and link the thread.

>>58981768
I'm on mobile, I had the screenshots from my thread on my PC, if you're so interested then search the archive.
>This is why yawnfag is so effective
It's so cringy that you talk about yourself in the third person. And no, you're not "effective" you're a nuisance at best and the board's resident lolcow at worst, did you already forget about the THREE BULLETS? The board is done with your bullshit after literal YEARS of you faggots doing this song and dance day in and day out, at his point even delcatranny is better, he at least draws OC

>>58981803
>l-look for them yourself!
So you’re shitposting and don’t actually have proof, got it

>The board is done with your bullshit
You can’t be “done” with him when you never started refuted him in the first place

>>58981815
>So you’re shitposting and don’t actually have proof, got it
No but I've linked them a couple of times and you always just abandon the thread and the next day do the same song and dance, I'm not invested enough to keep playing with you if you're gonna be dishonest the next day.
>You can’t be “done” with him when you never started refuted him in the first place
Everyone is done with your bullshit yawntard. THREE BULLETS. The board agreed that if wee had three bullets to kill 3 schizos the vast majority of /vp/ would use the THREE BULLETS of yawnfag. Does this amuse you? To be fucking annoying to a bunch of people who just want to talk about Pokémon to the point that most of them would want you gone over goodrafag, over delcatranny, over the solarbeam schizo and over all the other coomers and pedos.

>>58981768
Yawnfag doesn't play them. He takes screenies from other people's runs

>>58981803
>>58981870
it's not worth it dude. just walk away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9RTN3B9HZs

>>58981870
>No but I've linked them a couple of times
Link them again then. You won’t do this because you’re shitposting and don’t actually have proof.

It’s telling how you’re more obsessed with inventing an imaginary fanfic to kill yawnfag instead of simply…disproving him with proof from the game lmao

>>58981882
You're right, I try to ignore them as much as I can but sometimes they are just too annoying... Oh well, time to go back to LG, thanks for the help calming down anon.

>>58980305
The fact that the reveal trailer didn't have multiple visible sub 30 fps drops and didn't have the most dated textures imaginable gives me hope

>>58980865
>>Switch is the point of no return: they’re developing for a new HD home console, they don’t have Masuda’s leadership anymore, the Wii U was an abysmal failure so Nintendo NEEDS Pokemon games on the Switch asap
This is the only part I believe. SwSh and SV old 2 of the 3 shortest dev times for any pokemon gen and the third is Ruby Saphire, which are also undercooked.

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>>58980536
>And yet somehow it has objectively more content and polish than gen 5
The champion of the game doesn't have a 3d model in her intro, unlike random Flare grunts

>>58982243
>Snorlax A posing
God every time I look at 3D pokemon I'm reminded of some horseshit I've mentally blocked
What a shit game

>>58982278
>the snorlax....is behaving like snorlax? AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
God every time I see a 2Dfag post I'm reminded of how desperate they are to shill their horse shit

>>58982243
>Soulful plain background to emphasize the contrast between how for you, this is the greatest moment of your life and how for the gym leader, this is just their Pencil'd in battle on Tuesday, puts your focus on the gorgeous moving sprites that still hold up today
vs
>Soulless visual noise that does nothing but muddy the screen and distract you from the god awful 3d models
Yeesh

>>58982218
>Soulful plain 2d image to emphasize the contrast between how for you, this is the greatest moment of your life and how for the champion, this is just their Pencil'd in battle on Tuesday, puts your focus on the gorgeous art that still hold up today
vs
>Soulless visual noise that does nothing but muddy the screen and distract you from the god awful 2d sprites
Yeesh

>>58982218
>>58982243
Having played stadium and colosseum, every mainline 3d game ha been a dissapointment

>>58982320
They're a disappointment compared to Pokemon battle revolution

>>58982320
Having played pokemon ranger and mystery dunbgeon, every mainline 2d game ha been a dissapointment

>>58981565
No one white enjoys Gen 5, mutt

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>>58982319

Why is "mutt" the only vocabulary word of the average jeet?

>>58982314
bro you just admitted defeat again...

>>58982328
I played that too anon, they reused the stadium models so its the same thing

>>58980305
>>58980263
Here is what they're thinking

You = more money for them because fanbase will buy anything that it sharted into their mouth, often twice.

Game = quality doesn't matter much, they know fanbase will buy almost any slop.so why waste extra money making a quality product when it doesn't affect sales, infact they would lose more money.

Current M.O. = wring as many children, manchildren and autists into buying as many duplicates and occasionally a new game along with peddling as much cheap GACHA SLOP and PAID SERVICES while the getting is good.

>>58982345
OH NO NO NO NO HAHAHA A FUCKING ICE CREAM

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>>58982331
holy truth nuke

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posting to scare yawnfag

>>58983083
>a jrpg with forced shared exp
I don’t think this is the own you think it is

>>58983127
You have to actually use Personas in battle for them to level up.

>>58983138
I don’t have to actually use my other party members for them to get exp.

>>58981658
>good games and one phenomenal game

>1 game and 3 rehashes

>>58983152
You do, because they get a pittance otherwise.
And you still need to regularly swap around your Personas to level them up and get new moves.

>>58982297
>bad thing good
>good thing bad
absolute stare of bortimers

whats a yawnfag

>>58983195
a nugen shill who posts the same images and phrases every single day of his life
he's been doing it for literal years

>>58983168
I don’t, because they get 100% of the exp even if I don’t use them.

>>58983210
You need to unlock that late in the game.

>>58983195
A guy who (correctly) criticizes gen 5 while posting actual proof from his playthroughs to back up his points and zoomers seethe over him as a result

>>58983204
If he was a nugen shill wouldn’t he also be attacking HGSS? Seems like he only shits on bad games.

>gen 10 was just announced
>yet this thread was one of the fastest still
For what reason?

complaining about exp share vs exp all is gay and retarded because both come with explicit downsides.
Playing any vanilla+ romhack of gen a 1-5 game that removes the need for HMs makes it painfully obvious that the games just can't support a full roster of 6 without a heavy dose of wild mon grinding when 1/3 of your team slots isn't clogged with an under-leveled HM slave and dead weight route 1 bird mon

>>58983298
>complaining about exp share vs exp all is gay and retarded because both come with explicit downsides
I'd be fine if they kept the old exp share and let you turn the exp all on/off.

>>58983318
The old exp system sucks balls and I don't miss it at all.
However I do miss the old gen dungeons

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>>58980243
I wish there was a way to know you're in the golden age before you've left them.

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>>58980243
I wish there was a way to know you're in the golden age before you've left them.

>lowest sales
yeah glad we went through the dark ages of ds without dying completely

everyone in this thread is over 300 pounds and unemployed

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>>58980865
Imagine if Takao Unno actually went on to make another good pokemon game instead of the absolute mess and travesty that was Sun/Moon (and its Ultra versions)

>>58983422
I'm unemployed but well below 300 pounds

I am 250 pounds and have a part time job, actually

b2w2 is a top 5 pokemon game

xy is a top 1 pokemon game

Ill be nice to the XY fags
The game isn't totally bad, it had megas and at least it didn't brick your nintendo ds on launch...

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>>58983481
Facts.

>>58983422
i have a job but i'm well above 300 pounds

XY is a top 10 generation for sure.

Ill be nice to the BW2 fags
The game isn't totally bad, it had and at least it didn't softlock you from obtaining the box legendary on launch...

BW2 is a top 25 mainline pokemon game for sure

>>58983506
how the fuck do people even get that fat? do you even move at all? do you have someone feeding you mcdonalds 24/7 while you sit?

>>58983511
it didnt do that tho

>>58983487
it didnt do that tho

XY isn't that bad when you remember you're comparing it to 2nd versions like b2w2, platinum, emerald, and remakes like FRLG and HGSS, which didn't have to make a whole new region+dex etc.
the first version games like black/white, ruby saphire and diamond/pearl were just as bad.
XY just never got a chance to be a real game, and ORAS kinda stole the spotlight by not being as visibly bad as XY.

>>58983422
I'm unemployed to depression. Just lost my job due to not being able to manage the grief. Still hard. I think I'm slowly turning a corner and 4chan always cheers me up.

Is this guy just here 24/7? No matter what thread I click into he'll post something about gen 5 immediately regardless of the topic.

Why haven't we gotten a post game activity as good as the pwt? Hell why haven't we gotten the pwt again?
Hearing old themes in the new sound fonts was so peak

>>58983761
Because PWT was not good.

>>58983761
>Hearing old themes but really shittily remixed into soulless technoslop was so peak

>>58983762
it's time for bed, contrarianigger

>>58983773
If it was good, it would have came back.

>>58983772
I said gen 5 not get 6 8 or 9

>>58983777
that's like saying the pokemon frontier wasn't good because they never brought that back either.
just a retarded "appeal to gamefreak's idiotic decision-making" fallacy.

>>58983761
Too much effort for nu shit freak

>>58981318
Black Tower hard mode was good. Hunting down the sages and legendaries is good.

>>58983808
Frontier was bought back doebeitsonhoweveralbeit.

>>58983777
They could barely get all the Pokemon in the game for two games after they switched to 3D, you really think they could make new models for every character instead of just re-using the already fine sprites for most of them? SM tried and did an admirable job for a complete fucking mess but as an anniversary title them trying was expected, XY barely had 3D models for most characters, and even now Pokemon Masters doesn't even have everyone yet. Hell, most battle facilities in general haven't come back, Battle Tower got cut after being made garbage in SS and the closest we've gotten to any other one was Battle Agency being a bad Battle Factory.

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Gen 7 clears Gen 6.

>>58980243
we didn't know how good we had it

>>58983814
they left it in the dirt, anon.

>>58983832
It came back 2 times in fact however.

>>58983834
and hasn't shown up in generations. they couldn't even be assed to put it in ORAS.

>>58983839
Nothing lasts forever.

>>58983818
You mean Gen Cutscene?
Yeah, no thanks, I'll pass. Just like every other player after their first playthrough.

>>58980243
Early 2000s zoomers truly grew up with the best Pokemon games.

>>58980243
https://youtu.be/Gju6j3f2xTc?si=wmZQUJGxxJGhBtKp
https://youtu.be/Cx0Mf0U1XkA?si=yO1Uv9SplO11QDsT
Gen 5 felt like the last album your favorite artist makes before they sell out and abandon what drew you to them in the beginning.
Full of flaws and mistakes and rough spots but raw and real. The new stuff is glitzy and shiny Polished to a sparkle, but the soul has long left.

>>58980812
People struggled in Gen 7? I cleared that game easily in like 3 days of casual play. I heard the boss was super hard in USUM so I went and even had to reset to an older save to get potions since I was out of them- only to rape the Nercron whatever and not use a single one.

>>58981040
>Uses Scraggy again

>>58980243
And none of them are decent

Wow

>>58980651
Don’t forget the lack of mega Pokémon
Gen5 was a mistake

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>>58984556
bw and b2w2 are decent
pt and hgss are pic related

>>58980823
Only mutts like Gen5

>>58981145
Lel
Typedo btfo’d

>>58983048
Why are you acting like a Pokemon that learns a 130BP STAB that boosts attack every KO isn’t fucking retarded and overpowered?

>pokemon you have to catch, level up and evolve
holy shit lucario magically levels up on its own?

>>58983110
>PWT + battle subway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Battle Frontier,
Maybe if you’re terrible at the games and prefer soulless nostalgia pandering over actual depth.

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>>58980243
People always claim the games they grew up with were the best, but for people that were 6 when D/P released it's factually true.

>>58985070
Cuz if it misses u take 600 billion damage and die instantly

>>58985070
The rng facilities were fucking gay

>>58980865
I can believe the XY supposed to be coming a year later part since gen 5 had 4 mythicals and the sequels barely got time to breath in the west before gen 6 announcement. I think there was also scrapped data of mewtwo getting a new form in B2W2 which obviously didn't happen and may have been repurposed to one of the megas

>>58980243
>3rd version
>Asset copy of 3rd version
>New generation
>Asset copy of 1st versions
No clue.

>>58980243

>Gen 4 came out in 2006
>Gen 2 came out in 1999
>Black 2 / White 2 were unnecesary and pretty much the same game as black / white

That's just one game.

>>58985585
Interesting how you didn’t actually refute the post

Why is the only strategy of attack against gen 6 is simply claiming it’s bad and hoping you get upvotes?

>>58985398
The initial powerpoint pitch presentation for Gen 5 had them envisioning the gen as lasting until 2014

To critique gen 5:
>One must dig up pokemon movesets, look at frame data and study pokemon distribution to nitpick
To critique XY:
>Just play the damn thing

>>58985940
To critique gen 5:
>One must use the myriad of evidence from the game
To critique XY:
>Claim it’s bad and hope people mindlessly agree with you without double checking because there’s no actual evidence it’s bad

>>58985954
every single critique you can levy against gen 5 is repeated in XY except more pronounced, but also XY looks like shit, runs like shit, has THE weakest dex in pokemon history and is largely the most forgettable game in the franchise.

>>58985940
>play XY
>discover the routes are actually fun because they have good pokemon variety and different encounter methods instead of spamming the same two shitmons
>discover the pokemon all have multiple unique animations that give them way more personality and character
>discover I can directly interact with my pokemon instead of them being soulless .pngs sitting in my party
>discover I can play optional minigames to train my pokemon right from the start of the game
>discover the game is well paced and actually feels like an adventure instead of being a soulless boss rush where you finish all 8 gyms within 10 routes
>discover I can customize my character and earn style points to unlock more stuff
>discover all the hidden optional replayable content in lumiose city like the hotel and restaurants and back alley trainer battles
>discover they added depth to all these old mechanics like berry mutations and fish chaining and destroyable objects in battles
>discover neat little soulful details like zangoose attacking seviper or sudowoodo hiding among trevenant in horde battles
>discover I can actually play triple and rotation battles in the postgame facility this time
wow thanks for the recommendation anon! I never would have known these things if I parroted dumbfuck redditors instead of playing the game!

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>>58986003
>discover the pokemon all have multiple unique animations

>>58980243
I really think Pokemon was at its best in 2.5D
The 2.5D in BW/B2W2 looked so fucking good.

Well, at least WiWa now look a lot better than SWSH and SV which were just ass all around and skippable.

>>58985980
>every single critique you can levy against gen 5 is repeated in XY except more pronounced,
“Man, these sprites are ugly and the animations are kind of lazy”
>XY has good looking models and high effort animations
“Man, this region feels kind of small and the campaign is way too short”
>XY has more routes and a longer campaign
“Man, it sucks that gen 5 cut so many encounter methods like rock smash, trees, fishing, and pokeradar, this feels kind of shallow”
>XY brought all those encounter methods back and made them even better
“Man, triple and rotation battles are pretty underutilized, what wasted potential”
>XY uses triple and rotation battles as unique restaurant formats and puts them in the postgame facilities

Hmmm sure doesn’t seem like it anon

>>58986003
Bodied that freak

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>>58986029
>The 2.5D in BW/B2W2 looked so fucking good.

>>58986038
>>XY has good looking models and high effort animations
See Above Skarmory
>>XY has more routes and a longer campaign
Quality over Quantity, my good friend
>>XY brought all those encounter methods back and made them even better
No one noticed these were gone and no one noticed they were brought back, which is why they were cut again.
>>XY uses triple and rotation battles as unique restaurant formats and puts them in the postgame facilities
Actually real, not having triple/rotations battles in the subway/pwt was criminal, unfortunately the XY version blows dick and you're stuck with it being a restaurant gimmick.

>>58980521
Pokemon fans are emotionally attached to the series, and when BW disappointed many it made them desperate for something to enjoy in the games again. So, when B2W2 came out, it was immediately hailed as fixing every problem with BW. It didn't, of course--if you have a list of gripes with BW and go down that list interrogating whether B2W2 fixed them, you're likely to find little to none of what irked you changed. But Pokemon fans are Pokemon fans, it's practically a social identity group, so they can't stay mad at it for long.

>>58986003
>play XY
grim
>discover the routes are actually fun because they have good pokemon variety and different encounter methods instead of spamming the same two shitmons
ah yes the most fun route in the entirety of pokemon, kalos route 1
>discover the pokemon all have multiple unique animations that give them way more personality and character
so instead of standing there staring and facing left, they're standing there staring and facing right? whoa...
>discover I can directly interact with my pokemon instead of them being soulless .pngs sitting in my party
and in doing so make an already piss easy game even easier
>discover I can play optional minigames to train my pokemon right from the start of the game
and in doing so make an already piss easy game even easier
>discover the game is well paced and actually feels like an adventure instead of being a soulless boss rush where you finish all 8 gyms within 10 routes
this only applies from gyms 1-3. 4 onward are exactly what you described
>discover I can customize my character and earn style points to unlock more stuff
having agp is not a selling point
>discover all the hidden optional replayable content in lumiose city like the hotel and restaurants and back alley trainer battles
but where's things like the battle factory
>discover they added depth to all these old mechanics like berry mutations and fish chaining and destroyable objects in battles
nobody used berry farming
chain fishing only made shinies (which were already made easier to find compared to before) piss easy to get
nobody cares about those objects in battle unless it happens by accident
>discover neat little soulful details like zangoose attacking seviper or sudowoodo hiding among trevenant in horde battles
which becomes a pain in the ass if you're actually trying to catch the pokemon that's getting attacked
>discover I can actually play triple and rotation battles in the postgame facility this time
how do i play wi-fi battles in the maison again?

>b-buh nobody noticed it!!
>b-buh nobody used it!!
And yet XY had it anyway. Truly the mark of a high effort soulful game. Defending GF doing the bare minimum is why the games are trash now.

>>58986095
>Defending GF doing the bare minimum is why the games are trash now.
Yeah, I know. That's why XY are terrible. They have no postgame, they don't have a Battle Frontier and I can't do Wi-Fi battles in the Maison.

>>58983240
Yawnfag literally spams the image of Jan/pchal shitting on Johto.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cmC3ydTb8w
a single 39 second video completely btfos the entirety of XY.

>still cant outsell basedxy
kek

>>58980536
>,
bait used to be believable

>>58986141
How could one location have so much sovl?

>>58986141
>a bad looking 3D hallway completely btfos the entirety of XY
whatever you say champ

>>58986161
>>a bad looking 3D hallway
But enough about XY

>>58986105
>They [LIE]
every time

>another gen 5 and 6 fans think they aren't nugen thread

Gen 5 is nugen but the games are deeply soulful so it doesn't matter.

>>58986169
So how do I do Wi-Fi battles in the Battle Maison again?

Gen 6 is nugen but the games are deeply soulful so it doesn't matter.

>>58986209
The same way you do them in the Subway: you don't, because the feature doesn't exist anymore

Now how do I do Triple and Rotation battles in the Battle Subway again?

>>58986038
>>XY has good looking models and high effort animations
I have no dog in this fight but wasn't the big critique to the move to 3d that all the pokemon had really static animations, and in particular the flying pokemon just hovered in place?

>>58986222
No.

>>58986043
On a NDS screen, yes.

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>>58986021
Correct, the Pokemon have multiple unique animations, which you discover by playing the game instead of being a mouthbreathing retard who stares at Showdown gifs. Do you have an argument, or not?

>>58986243
>play it on a ds
>it still looks like shit

>>58986240
You can't revise history just because you don't like it.

>>58986222
>but wasn't the big critique a lie perpetuated by retards who don't actually play the game?
checks out

>>58986251
>>58986246

>>58986170
nobody said anything about what is or isn't nugen. all OP said was that gen 5 is good and that popped a blood vessel in yawnfag's brain.

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ill never forgive 3d for robbing my nigga of his aura

>>58986257
>nobody said
You're responding to a post literally saying it.

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>>58986261
he's tearing up the dance floor! this dude is on fire!

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>>58980243
FUARK

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>>58986261
>ill never forgive 3d for [retarded complaint that doesn't apply if you actually play the game instead of staring at showdown gifs]
I'm starting to sense a pattern here...

>>58986298
How do I get Eelektross to use this animation when battling in XY?

>>58986261
How do I get Eelektross to use this animation when petting in BW?

>>58986210
>>58986308
hey you should probably stop parroting. seeing as how it's an admission of defeat and all.

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>pokemon amie
not holding it against XY in particular but I never used that shit, and still refuse to use that shit in any subsequent pokemon games
Im gaigaxian about my pokemons
if its not
>battling
>catching
>dungeoneering
>listening to osts
i dont give a fuck about it and it shouldnt be in my pokemon game
>pokemon amie
didnt use it
>whatever gimmick gen 7 had
didnt use it
>picnics in gen 8
didnt use it
>picnics in gen 9
didnt use it, in fact i didn't even eat from a resturant or make a sandwhich until the BB elite 4 member literally forced me to
That's why Gen 5 is goated. Its Just Fuckin' Pokémon Nigga

>>58986377
>listening to osts
fag alert to be expected from a pokestar fan

>>58986377
>XY does battling better because they fixed the broken as fuck dragon type, gems, and weather hidden abilities and made triple/rotation battles not fucking useless
>XY does catching better because the routes have more encounter variety and better breeding mechanics
>XY does dungeoneering better because again, the dungeons have actual encounter variety instead of the same two shitty random encounters and there's more different navigation mechanics going on
>XY does listening to osts better because it doesn't replace the fucking battle music whenever you pokemon has low HP

>>58986399
>>XY does dungeoneering better because again
xy doesn't have dungeons

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>>58986410
>xy [LIE]
I'm starting to sense a pattern here...

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>>58986421
you forgot one yawnfag

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>>58986261
Fortunately ZA made him walk again

>>58980305
SV was going to be shit since its reveal. Gamers tend to forget things quickly, but SV had tons of lags and low quality textures in its reveal.
https://youtu.be/MAmueMsFR1o?si=g3HOnVw8ku4EKwwR

>>58986430
You're right. XY has so much content that it's easy to miss things. Thanks sagie!

>>58986421
Relic Castle Mogs
Desert Resort brutally Mogs
Mistraltron Cave agonizingly Mogs
Twist Mountain absolutely Mogs
Reversal Mountain evisceratingly Mogs
Castelia Sewers infinitely Mogs.
Abyssal Ruins mogs all of XY by its sheer existance

>>58986486
>[LIE]
I'm starting to sense a pattern here...

>>58986489
Prove me wrong

>>58986498
Prove me wrong

>>58986432
ZA was so good it kinda redeems Kalos in post.
Unfortunately they didn't have any kalos characters return outside of like, Korrina.

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>>XY does listening to osts better
I'm not sure that's possible when its OST is so forgettable no one ever posts them in "Favorite Track" threads or references it in pokememes...
Meanwhile people will still go back to gen 5 ost remixes to talk about how much they love those games...

>>58980243
>All of this within 4 years.
and not to mention the spin-offs:
>2008
Platinum & Ranger: Shadows of Almia
>2009
HGSS & PMD: Explorers of Sky
>2010
BW & Ranger: Guardian Signs
>2012
B2W2 & Conquest

>>58980521
BW was a gen 1 clone in a few ways, mainly being a region full of only its own pokemon. BW2, rather than being a third entry, a "pokemon gray" to match Emerald and such, was an actual sequel to events, with the region and its people affected by the passage of time, and outsider pokemon mixed in. In that sense it was a lot like Gen 2, an expansion on what you already know. This isn't the highest selling point for the game but I do find a lot of charm in it. Compared to Ultra Sun and Ultra moon which was more of a remix/redo.

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>>58986421
>>58986437
Excellent. Now let's take a look at BW's dungeons. All of these you will go through during the main story. And quick warning; these have actual thought put into them, with reasons to come back to them every now and then.

>>58986623
those look way worse and less varied than XY’s desu

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>>58986623
Whoops, silly me. I forgot Pinwheel Forest. BW has so much content that it's easy to miss things.
If you'd like I can show the postgame dungeons. Y'know, things XY doesn't have?

>>58986623
As a certified Unovafag I don't think the dungeons in that gen are that interesting layout wise, but they're far, far more memorable than anything from Kalos. Dragonspiral Tower is a literal masterpiece.

>>58986623
>just push the boulder in to the hole that's 2 tiles away
So thoughtful.

>>58986421
>just push the boulder in to the hole that's 2 tiles away
So thoughtful.

>>58986421
As a certified Kalosfag I don't think the dungeons in that gen are that interesting layout wise, but they're far, far more memorable than anything from Unova. Lysandre Labs is a literal masterpiece.

>BW does listening to osts better
I'm not sure that's possible when it replaces the battle music with retarded beeping whenever you have low HP

then again the game is so piss easy you probably won’t ever get low HP anyway

>>58986681
>Lysandre Labs is a literal masterpiece.
Yeah such a masterpiece that one of the floors is a copy paste of the first floor

>>58986697
If it works it works. See half the gen 5 pokedex for example.

>>58980778
>BW2 is a release

>>58986823
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Ok but he can't elaborate or explain away how gen 5 is entrenched in people's minds so thoroughly, despite selling way less than XY.
Does he think everyone is just lying about thinking XY was underwhelming as fuck?

>>58986970
>Does he think everyone is just lying about thinking XY was underwhelming as fuck?
yes.
he's probably going to post review scores now.

Note how we’ve gotten to the point of the thread where they ran out of arguments to defend the game based on the actual content, so now they’re resorting to ad populum kek

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XY was so good and popular that gamefreak skipped Pokemon Z and moved on after a single remake.

>>58987382
>the game was so polished that they didn’t need to fix it with a 3rd version
yep

XY had about a 2nd game's worth of cut content thoever

>>58986823
>praises the new games
Wow even the buggy mess that was gen 9?

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>>58980243
>3 glorified DLCs and 1 original game
Thanks?

>>58987382
It sold more than BW so yeah

>>58987452
And he doesn’t praise gen 5, so that can’t be right.

>>58987395
just like BW