I think I now realize why I'm so disenchanted with modern Pokemon. It became corporate as fuck.Back when Tajiri and Sugimori were in charge, Pokemon was a true passion project they were pushing foward out of a genuine desire of getting their idea outside.Now it's just a bunch of corpos, soulless art and scheduled released to meet a quota.
>>58987611@grok turn clavell into a real world human character
>>58987611>Pokemon was a true passion project they were pushing foward out of a genuine desire of getting their idea outsideDo you know how retarded you sound?
>>58987671Have you seen the original documents where Tajiri talks about his ideas and how he wants to give them form?
>>58987671Phrasing apart, he is right, pokemon is the most soulless slop now
>>58987611Is that real gray hair or artificial it must have cost a grand for hair bleach knowing rich CEOs and luxury
It does feel something has changed since they stopped posturing Masuda as the face of the franchise.
>>58987611Slowbro, but I'm glad you figured it out at last
>>58988196Do they seriously pay to turn their hair gray lmao
>>58987611it's been corporate for years, but i'd say the franchise has a way more weird "sterile" feeling more recently, especially with the marketing.
>>58989488They even use the same gay ass announcer for everythingBitch was born to be a kindergarden teacher not a corporate marketer lmao
And if only any of that wank you just wrote out meant a fuck, beyond some secondary venting into the void.
>>58989722so this guy's just some announcer, not one of the devs?
>>58988294It feels like something's changed since Masuda's angry face stopped appearing on Merricku's screen
>>58987611I spent $20 on Teddy's Haven instead of FRLG, much fun was had
I will say that the official artwork and majority of new character / pokemon designs do absolutely nothing for me. Its getting to where it only still feels like pokemon in gameplay only
>>58991200The official artwork is very phoned in now because the games are in full 3d now so it no longer serves as much as of a purpose as a companion piece to the sprites, Sugimori also doesn’t make the art anymore and they stopped hiring Ohmura (the next best thing) for whatever reason.As for the designs, I think they’re trying a little too hard to be unique which is why you get something like Revavroom (not saying it’s the worst design just very unconventional) instead of a stylized version of a cool animal they haven’t used yet, like a snow leopard.
>>58991249We just had a snow leopard in gen 9. The ice legendary.No one cares about quotaslop, either. The lion, flamingo, koala, zebra, and dolphin pokemon were forgotten entirely after years of begging. Pokemon adapting animals works when they are genuinely just trying to make a fantasy mob that they can incorporate the basis of a real animal into. Gliscor and Drapion aren't "quota filler scorpion pokemon." One is a vampire facehugger and the other is a weird oni creature made out of rotating segments. Golisopod isn't just "what if they made a stylized isopod," it's a kickass robot samurai man with General Grievous influence. Luxray isn't a stylized lynx, it's a 2000s era anti-hero version of Kimba with speed lines on its body.
>>58991192Unbelievably based
>>58991653It's a wholesome cozy game fyi, not creature capture adjacent. You run a shop in a fantasy world for adventures to buy shit
>>58987611Utsunomiya is not just a suit but I can see why he gives off that feel
>>58987611>It became corporate as fuck.OP, it was ALWAYS corporate as fuck. The only reason Pokemon even got off the ground was not because of its (dogshit, buggy, unfinished) gameplay, it was because of the mass marketing push. The commercials for Gen 1 are far more memorable than the games themselves.
>>58987679Yeah that would apply to gen 1 maybe, when they had no idea if the project would even be successful. Wouldn’t be the case for future games by and large.
>>58989444Unironically it gets you more respect from seniors which is a big deal if you wanna get promoted since everyone in upper management positions over there is pushing 80
>>58987611Pokemon stopped being a passion project the instant Red and Green were originally released in Japan and became a surprise smash hit.
>>58991705Then you're one step closer to enlightenment. Seriously>lol muh pwecious gayfreak was ultra mega corporate when it was a small group making doujinswtf
>>58991709as soon as Crystal started production.
>>58987611who the fuck is that anyway
>>58987611It's been a soulless corporate money machine since fucking gen 3 my dude
>>58987611>Back when Tajiri and Sugimori were in charge...Pokemon was quite literally the biggest, most inescapable consumerist fad of all time. Are we seriously acting like Pokemania wasn't an orgy of corporate money-printing?The only time Pokemon ever truly resembled a passion project was gens 3-5. Pokemania was over, Masuda was in the director's chair and at least tried to have a vision for the IP beyond selling plushies, and the spinoffs were at their peak. And even back then, the anime was still the definition of assembly-line slop, so it wasn't all sunshine and roses. The harsh truth is that if you're looking for an actual passion project, you'll have better luck with Digimon.
>>58988390nips love apple products
>>58991712If you really want to be a stickler, the moment they came up with the idea of making you buy multiple slightly different versions of the same game was already enough to move it from passion project to cash grab.
>>58992824*Yellow
>>58987611>somehow Pokemania happened while RBY was still in developmentWhat a miraculous franchise
>>58993890It's more about documents that came out after it.https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Pok%C3%A9mon_Red_and_Blue/Early_Development
>>58987611I hate this fugly nigger like you wouldn't believe
>>58990479He's the producer for every game from gen 6 onwards and numerous spinoffs. He's also assisted in development for smash and mystery dungeon from what I recall
>>58993979that's ohmori? i thought he looked different
>>58991696oh finally thanks
>>58987611Glad you could make it, Uther
>>58991706Man, you'd think the salaryman life would turn your hair gray before 30 if you needed it
>>58993342I thought they liked flip phones or something that still has a keypad
>>58987611Soul escapes this world every time I hear shit like "The Pokemon Scarlet Game"
This is the end result of a creator's work becoming too big to manage. When it was just a few guys at GameFreak finally getting Red/Green out the door, it was okay to simply do things on your own because it was fun and the initial success motivated them. Once you start to expand to other avenues, eventually you realize that you now have a franchise and you now need a businessman to manage each part of it, the games, the TCG, the anime, the merchandise, and so on. Eventually, these businessmen started to make the decisions for the creator and now you have to have a Grass/Fire/Water starter every gen, you have to keep the games simple or in some cases, simplify them even more than they already were, and even down to the designs of the monsters that are presented, too much detail, bad. Too scary, bad. Too straightforward, bad. Too similar to a fan's work, scrap it. And whichever monster the businessmen want to push, that's the monster you will see, even if the public rejects it. They also dictate what you can and cannot do, pic related being a legitimate mandate until even Japan told them to cut it out and by then, the actual win had no impact, never mind the actual retirement of the character.When everything else eclipses the original source of the entire foundation, they can also dictate what that source can and can't do. They want a new set of games, they will get it. They want yearly games, they will get it. They want the initial mascot of the anime to return, he will be back front and center. Businessmen run this IP, and will continue to do so.tl;dr Pokemon became corporate on the date of April 23rd, 1998. It only became more apparent once the franchise grew bigger and bigger.
>>58997186didn't watch lol, was he talking in english
>>58987611Took a while, but I'm glad you figured it out
>>58987611you're so right op, pokemon has fa... ooohhhh i let out a lil GAS i am such a GASSY boi today *giggle*, i am so big and full of gas mmmhh yes *rub belly*
>>58991701It's funny that was entirely due to Nintendo us flat out ignoring Japan's retarded ideas
>>58989488>i'd say the franchise has a way more weird "sterile" feeling more recentlyIt's because of The Pokemon Company international. They've been forcing the identity out of the brand for years now. It originally started in gen5 but the company was compromised a little while back and it became genuinely awful during the switch era.>what are you talking about?Look at the English website for The Pokemon Company international and you'll quickly understand.
>>58987611that's based cuz it looks like that made the marketing department cry>>58998851that the one with the pic that got posted here?
>>58987611Guys, two years ago I asked if you all trusted this man and you all said yes.
>>58998851>Look at the English website for The Pokemon Company internationalWhat the fuck is this shit, do they make games or is this some non-profit activist campaign? Also why is the DEI image a burned out Pokemon logo/ash tray?
>>58999660>Set up like a DoW contractor's websiteHoly shit lmao
>>58999660>do they make gamesTPC never made games you idiot, why are you surprised seeing a website of billion dollar company that literally only exist to managing shit being so corporateIf you wants some whimsy, go check out actual devs website
>>58987611I love when in the Pokémon presents they say “please take a look at this next presentation”Like yeah… I’m watching Pokémon presents, duh. Of course I’ll take a look at the next presentation. Am I right folks? Amirite
>>58999660Website is meant for an (((investors))).
>>58999660>Also why is the DEI image a burned out Pokemon logo/ash tray?Because the logo is shit just like inclusivity
>>58999800That's for zoomers who are busy doomscrolling while "watching" the presentation. It's to let them know when to look up for a minute.
Someone said it above, but I think this is just the result of Pokemon not being steered by a passionate, ambitious group (or individual). At this point, everyone who worked on Red/Green must have retired, moved on, or been promoted to a hands-off role, no? For Gen 1 it was Tajiri and Sugimori creating basically doujinsoft with some pals based on some manga they had kicked around, passion in an environment like that is naturally going to bloom. It was Tajiri's strong vision for what the game's world would be and would not be that set the tone, and even for the media blitz that followed, the partner companies employed equally passionate people: think Shudo helming the anime, or even Ishihara and the TCG. After Masuda took over, the franchise definitely changed, but he was an uncompromising director early on, barely completing RS and DP in time to ship because his teams wanted so many features, and just couldn't help themselves from trying things. He had a real vision for Pokemon as a setting, and not just as a franchise, and even if you disliked his vision, it's inarguable that the games he made pushed the series forward, and you could feel that they were stories written by people who believed in them. The trove of lore from the Terraleak is proof enough of this passion. And I think Masuda's passion rubbed off on other teams, think about Emerald and HGSS also going out of their way to stuff new things in. Ohmori, for all his faults and how bad his games are, also seemed to be affected by this early on. I don't think he's a great director, but I also don't think the major failures of Switch Pokemon are entirely on him.But other than that, who's left? Masuda was pushed aside to rot with Tajiri, Sugimori essentially does nothing, Ishihara never had the same passion for Pokemon the world and remains, as ever, a salesman. Turner? Forced out. The truth is, unless something happens that forces a shakeup, Pokemon will be bland, safe, and sterile, until someone steps up.
>>58994630Ohmori is the director, not the producer
>>58987611>Back when Tajiri and Sugimori were in charge, Pokemon was a true passion project they were pushing foward out of a genuine desire of getting their idea outside.And you know what happened with that? It was an absolute mess behind the scenes because no one knew what the fuck they were doing. Gen II literally got thrown out and restarted halfway in and had to have Iwata step in to save them from themselves. Like did you ever stop and think about how not the character designer, not the battle designer and not even the lead programmer but THE FUCKING MUSICIAN ended up in charge of the franchise? Because he was the only one in the group who ever got his shit done on time and had any semblance of foresight.
>>59000573you talking shit about musicians, square boy?
>>58987611Yeah it totally was only recently that Pokemon became corporate.
>>58999693He just wanted an excuse to post that shit, everyone with a brain knows TPC is the management company for everything BUT the games, and no surprise that a corporation centered around a 'children's' franchise is going to be as widespread as possible.From personal experience, it's always been like this with fans, from all walks of life. TPC is simply reflecting that through the franchise realizing there are and WERE fans of Pokemon, from a black neighborhood, to a Chinese slum and a Brazilian favela.Pokemon's chances of being niche became zero once it got localized, you need to be more worried about the Pokemania secondaries and tertiaries who came back in the franchise with Pokemon GO and are about to come back into the franchise with the anniversary.
>>58993341I didn't know Pokemania already existed in 1991 and before Pokemon was releasedRetard
>>59003038basedthe merch is also a lot more important
>>59003038Even more based, always expose their lies
>>58993341>PokemaniaNobody remembers Pokemania, not even the fans at this point. The hype around Pokemon went out like a poof of smoke circa 2002-2003 and left the public consciousness until a slight resurgence in 2016 with Pokemon Go.
>>58987611no doubt that's what the marketing department is hoping forluckily the only fans that will ever matter will always remember the feeling of being able to play with strangers you just met and trusting them to abide by the gentleman's agreements about which 'mons and moves not to use
>>59003038Pokemon was still largely on the backburner at Game Freak until they finished and shipped Pulseman in 1994. Once they started giving Pokemon their full attention, that's when they started doing things like hiring Nishida to design more blatantly toyetic monsters, coming up with the idea of the Pokedex (another excuse to sell toys), coming up with the two-version cash grab, etc. They even had a manga adaptation ready to go for the game's launch.I'm sure GF wasn't expecting a reaction as massive as Pokemania turned out to be - who would? - but Pokemon was absolutely made with the goal of being a heavily shilled consumerist fad for children.
>>58987611I'm guessing RBY was also made with Shadow Ball now
>>58999660I hate modern web UI design so much, it's not just TPCi that's like this, so many websites are now because they just do the bare minimum to put up a front and hoard domains while they expect you to follow their Twitter for actual news
>>59005470it's even worse when they keep changing it around just to give a bad designer something to do
>>58987671NTA, but Game Freak did start off as a fan magazine for other video games that the people at Game Freak actually liked. It seems like they were a lot more optimistic and open-minded back then, even trying to branch out into other stuff than just Pokemon. Then around the DS era or sometime after I think they started to get jaded with Pokemon being their only popular franchise, but leaned into it more than ever since it sold well. Hence why they stopped making anything other than Pokemon for a while and only recently decided to try and maybe break out of it with Beast of Reincarnation recently, though it's yet to be seen if that will go well for them or not
>>59006387Nintendo is Game Freak's worst enemy. They just keep them slaved making shitty Pokemon games.Games like Bushi Seiryuuden or Pulseman are proof of how they can do amazing stuff when they're not shackled by Nintendo.
>>58988294>Gen 8 was 7 years ago...
>>59004733You're memeing. A game needs marketable mascot characters to succeed in general, especially a game centered around collecting them, ESPECIALLY in Japan. The Pokedex has nothing to do with toys. Miyamoto came up with the paired version idea, and claims it was basically to encourage the social aspects of the game. Manga is dirt fucking cheap to make and again, happened on Nintendo's dime.
>>59006447Game Freak are equal partners with Nintendo in the ownership of Pokemon. They could say they didn't want to make any more Pokemon games and offload it to another developer if they wanted to, certainly they could be outvoted on such a matter but why would Nintendo and Creatures object when GF makes bad games and they certainly would have their pick of volunteers to make their own Pokemon game, internally and externally? Game Freak keeps making Pokemon because it keeps them relevant. Maybe they'd succeed making something else, but they can stay open as long as they keep making Pokemon.
>>58987611Pokemon became corporate around Gen 6, when they handed off the main series.
>>59006447>Games like Bushi Seiryuuden or PulsemanNone of the people who worked on those still work at gamefreak
>>59006447And Game Freak is Nintendo's worst enemy. They're constantly the weak link when it comes to the biggest franchise in the world.They've humiliated Nintendo at every turn to the point that had to offer refunds because SV ran so poorly. Meanwhile the leaks showed Nintendo's begged Gamefreak to accept outside help for the mainlines from like Square or Namco and GF refuses
>>59006617>Square or Namco Square can't even manage Final Fantasy let alone their own company properly, and Bamco is such an odd choice that'd I turn them down for that alone. GameFreak was smart to reject them, especially Square.
>>58987611i've realised most game series end up like thisthey have maybe 10 years of good, soulful games then the passion is spent and gone
>>59006768something about quitting while they're ahead
>>59006768Cincinnatus and Washington both stepped down for a reason
>>58993341>...Pokemon was quite literally the biggest, most inescapable consumerist fad of all time. Are we seriously acting like Pokemania wasn't an orgy of corporate money-printing?It was organic success, which they obviously took advantage of. It was the golden age with toys, movies, spinoffs (Stadiums), TCG, etc. All in general of very high quality. Pokemon 2000 is still arguably the best pokemon movie. You would need to be a massive retard to not do anything with the franchise at that time.>The only time Pokemon ever truly resembled a passion project was gens 3-5. Pokemania was over, Masuda was in the director's chair and at least tried to have a vision for the IP beyond selling plushies, and the spinoffs were at their peakThat was the start of the real corpo shit. Gen 5 is literally a gen 1 copy to try to emulate the success of the originals since Masuda had no idea what to do but he need to keep shitting out games. This was also the start of low quality designs just to pad the dex. I'll give you 3 and part of 4 though, since they're still good games that improved the franchise. The best core games are HGSS after all.
>>59007829They didn't even know how to react to how well it was received in Japan alone. That's why they've been trying the same formula since then
>>59006768>>59007829gayfreak didn't even want to make more pokemon in the first placethey're even trying to make themselves known for other games now
>>59008669Is that other game out yet? Is it even any good? All I hear is that it looks better, but that's not really a high bar to clear
>>58987611When was Sugimori in charge?
>>59007829Gen 2 was the age of corpo shit. Most of the Pokemania consumerist slop had gen 2 mons plastered over the box.
>>58987611>corporatemore like corpulent
>>59010298Are those... Pokemon brand pills?
>>58991249>As for the designs, I think they’re trying a little too hard to be uniqueThe human characters, yes.>Revavroom (not saying it’s the worst design just very unconventional) instead of a stylized version of a cool animal they haven’t used yet, like a snow leopardHard disagree, it's one of the only good gen 9 designs. We need less type-colored dogs/cats, not more.
>>58991696He's also a wig
>>58987611
>>58987611Lol nips dont have "passion projects" they are a browbeaten, soulless bunch. Everything they do is corporate. The few nips that are redpilled gtfo of nipland and live in the west or SEA.Pokemon was always souless which is why our boomer parents hated it. Also i think it turns you queer. Too many troon/furry and outright gay fans. Idk need more research.
>>59004401I was only 4 when GS came out and that was at the ass-end of Pokemania but I remember almost every kid and teen around me still being heavily into it, but it did feel like one day it was all anyone cared about and then the next you couldn’t even tell it was ever a thing. GO back in 2016 for about a month definitely rekindled it and even got people’s parents of all people into it to the point where my own mum still remembers Zubat, Pidgey, Doduo, Spearow and Fearow. But I think that was its last hurrah and the only time you hear or see anything about Pokemon on the news is when some store gets ram-raided for its cards.>FilenameI haven’t thought about that episode of Top Gearin ages and now I have that feeling of wanting to rewatch it.
>>58987611Those stories are getting even more retarded just to push some "it was just as bad before" horseshit. The japs of all people are autistic as fuck about craftsmanship. It's a "taking pride in your work" sort of thing. If they work on things on their own, they end up losing money by taking too long. It takes ages for them to get satisfied with their work, so the managers have their work cut out for them trying to meet a schedule.
>>59012671lmao
>>58987611And don't forget Shudo
>>58991701In America, maybe.The only reason it became corporate in America is because of TPCi. Game Freak had no say into that and the game was seen as Dragon Quest Monsters for kids in Japan. You only look at it through the lens of Pokemania because you only speak English
>>58987611He's from Kirby anime.
>>59012983>some store gets ram-raided for its cardsMakes me laugh every time
>>59014870>>59012671
>>59000573>And you know what happened with that? It was an absolute mess behind the scenes because no one knew what the fuck they were doing. Gen II literally got thrown out and restarted halfway in and had to have Iwata step in to save them from themselves. Like did you ever stop and think about how not the character designer, not the battle designer and not even the lead programmer but THE FUCKING MUSICIAN ended up in charge of the franchise? Because he was the only one in the group who ever got his shit done on time and had any semblance of foresight.Pokemon's longevity is probably more down to Ishihara, Masuda and the creation of TPC than Tajiri even if it was Tajiri's brain child.Like Ishihara didn't present all the Pokemon directs for nothing and is arguably the lynchpin in why Pokemon was a multimedia success and not simply just a popular videogame.
>>59012983The Pokemon Go hype ended the moment they started introducing Pokemon beyond Gen I.Truly, Gen I is all normalfags care about.
They sold one game as two with their first entry, and I'm supposed to believe they weren't always corporate.
>>58999660grim
>>59010941Pokemon chewable morphine.
>>58987611This guy looks so evil it's honestly kind of endearing
>>58987611idk, I think he's hot desu
Sugimori was never in charge.
>>59016366based normies then
>>58988294Because Masuda isn't dressed like a salaryman unlike that guy in the OP
>>58987611Bit late, but at least you made the samefag cry this much so the thread is based and deserves a bump
>>58987611Even though I agree, you can hardly blame them. Pokémon took THE WORLD by storm; their choice in the late 90's was to ride the wave or get fucked by it.Pokémon gen 1 and 2 were kind of designed side-by-side; not literally but I mean that gen 2 simply allowed them to use content they couldn't fit into gen 1. RG had a lot of chances to refine themselves but GSC only had Crystal, and around that time it's obvious they didn't really know what to do. As a result, it ended up crystallising around gen 4 into what it is now: a static world without real troubles where everyone is obsessed with Pokémon and only Pokémon 24/7, and Pokémon are just super animals that replace animals entirely and are also super common. The world isn't mysterious or fun anymore, and the only thing they have to draw people back in is nostalgia or puerile novelty. What people really want is a WORLD to escape into, not an amusement park.
>>58987611They stumbled onto success by accident, no shit they have no idea how to do it again
>>59017300He was in charge of the art before becoming a permanent supervisor.
>>59020396Doesn't that make him still in charg?
>>59005470twatter was a mistake
>>59017300Wtf are you talking about? he was one of the original 5 people who worked on Red n Green. He probably gets royalties to this day.
>>59002742It's funny cause the games were still following the original formula for the most part up until gen 7.
>>59021632what did 8 do differently?
>>59022306>until gen 7>not after gen 7reading comprehension, anon. learn it.
>>59022327then what did 7 do differently?
>>58987611Japs simp for this guy for some reason
>>59004733They were a tiny fucking studio and had people quit the development. Tajiri had to pay people out of his own pocket They were making fucking fazines before the end of the 80's>that's when they started doing things like hiring Nishida to design more blatantly toyetic monstersShe was already there with GF when they were making Pulseman. GF wanting cutemons and a way to appeal to girls and asking one of their designers to make something in gen 1 is not the same as Sugimori being told to make shit simpler because they want to make toys in gen 2>coming up with the idea of the Pokedex (another excuse to sell toys)Mon games usually need encyclopedias and things that keep track of all the monsters you capture or encounter. Around the exact same time Pokemon was being made, SMT was releasing the Demonic Compendium on a completely separate ps1 disc to give you lore entries and stats for Devil Summoner, because they couldn't fit it all into the game until the GBA You're basically saying every fucking gadget in sci-fi is for toys only.
It's insane how sometimes /vp/ doesn't know basic history of the company that makes their favorite slopSome people here probably literally never knew GF started as a fanzine group whose first game was originally a bootleg they made out of reversed engineered famicom before pitching it
>>58991701The anime was pokemon for a lot of people and you're in denial if you think there wasn't soul and effort put into it early on
>>59014816>Dragon Quest Monsters for kids in JapanDragon Quest Monsters came after Pokemon, and was seen as the Dragon Quest for kids in Japan.
>>59023722Not in denial. It's the usual marketing tactic to whine when fans only like the original product and not the newer slop.
>>59006617>had to offer refunds because SV ran so poorlyit's hard to believe how happy this makes me
>>58988878>took so long the slowpoke evolved
>>59023708Based exposer
>>59025160Doesn't it evolve by getting bitten by a Shellder
>>59006617>the leaks showed Nintendo's begged Gamefreak to accept outside help for the mainlines from like Square or Namco and GF refusesMan you can just tell Nintendo wishes they spent the money buying out GF when they had the chance gens ago
>>59006593>None of the people who worked on those still work at gamefreakI'm gonna be an autistic pendant and say Sugimori did the art for those games
>>58999945>think Shudo helming the anime, or even Ishihara and the TCG.It really was a perfect storm, like all the stars were perfectly aligned to get the right people at the right time to make the right franchise that would be huge.Shudo could've easily been a guy just churning out a generic toy commercial show and calling it a day, but he was already a respected writer for Minky Momo and the first Legend of Galactic Heroes movie, he was guy who genuinely wanted to write a good story with enjoyable characters or cared about what he was putting out.People also forget that Pokemon was also only the second Japanese TCG ever made(the first being Monster Collection). TCG's were still the wild west, not just in Japan, every series getting its own card game in the 90's and 00's wasn't set in stone yet
>>59026771The ones probably responsible for missing that chance must be the same group of chairmen who backstabbed Sony on SNES CD add-on to turned them to a biggest rival on history.
>>59006735I haven't even checked how the new FF titles are doing
>>59027291Yeah, they really lucked into a lot of things. Just one more reason why they weren't prepared at all for how big they got, and have no idea how to do it again
>>59027770man those stories sound pretty funny
>>59027770Just think, no matter how many times you fuck up, at least you're not Nintendo
>>59028366they look better at least
>>59028366and have voices
>>59028366Are they finally making FFs that aren't fucking MMOs again?
>>59006768got used up a lot faster in this case
>>59027770To think they used to kill themselves after fucking up badly
>>59006447>>59006617Based, but don't let the blind drone fanboys over at /v/ see these posts.
I genuinely wonder what would have been of Pokemon if Tajiri never retiredYou can tell with GSC it was a true author's vision, while the later games although became more rounded experiences they kinda lost the vibe
>>58987611you're disenchanted because nintendo sucks and just copies and pastes an idea whenever it hits bullseye like legends arceus. these games used to have to try to be system sellers.
>>59034024>author's vision>author quits halfway through development and other people have to finish it
>>59034024Tajiri dropped out after the original "Poke Japan" concept failed and Masuda took over for the second half of development into Crystal.
>>59023672Because he doesn't look as old as he is and he's good looking compared to the other people at GF.
>>58997524>they call him 007
>>59034321The Thief and the Cobbler >he didn't quitstill a guy with a genuine vision but wasn't the one who got to finish his work
>>59023672Japanese fans are probably the worst fans of anything worldwide while their creators are the opposite, it's weird
>>58987611Going corporate is the fate of anything that is successful and profitable. We can only hope that future generations bring in talent and passion that can overcome it.
>>58987679Anyone know where I can find these documents of Taijiri talking about giving his ideas form? Is it the interview with Ishihara on LavaCutContent?
>>59035305I posted it here, it's the documents found in TCRF>>58993932
>>59034024GSC probably would have never come out at all if Tajiri didn't have his meltdown and quit.
>>59035330Thanks, sorry I missed it. Interesting stuff, I don't know much about Taijiri. I've head he has autism, but dunno if that's true.
>>59035342It's fine mate, this thread got super long, wouldn't blame you.I wouldn't say Satoshi had autism, it's just that japanese are usually very passionate about their ideas and he had the means to carry them foward.
Another example of 'corporate' creep.
>>59035342>>59035347Autism gets thrown around a lot, but what japs have is pride and crippling amounts of social pressure. They're raised to take pride in their craftsmanship and not to stop until they've produced something they can be proud of.
>>59035367It's so weird seeing Ash with actual child proportionsIn my mind he always had longer limbs like a teenager
>>59036058At least when the 2002 season aired, I saw Ash as a teenager, mentoring May and showing some growth as a trainer only supported that he was growing up. I think the dub at least said three years passed, so that resonated with me. The change in clothes helped too.
Is cel shaded not desirable? because someone is telling gamefreak to double down on thier ugly ass artstyle since scarlet and violet. I wanted the game to look like pokemon masters or legends arceus. Or maybe go back and make water colored gen 1 artstyle in 3d a reality.
>>59035342Tajiri having literal autism is just a rumor with no source, and got treated as fact.I wouldn't be surprised if he had it though, but this is 4chan and autism is a basically meaningless word here Tajiri is fascinating guy, nonetheless. I love hearing anything about early Gamefreak, back when they had passion, early Sugimori concept art, etc
>>59036058The protags always felt like teenagers to me too
>>59036401If they were, they'd be pounding the girls nonstop
>>59035342Claims about Autism ultimately were traced to long gone, obviously fake account on MySpace. But then some high-profile journalists used it as lol verified source and then others used them as source and shit was spread everywhere.Is he truly autistic? I dunno, but there's no official sources claiming so and all the rumors are coming from full of shit journalists that deserve to die.
>>59034024I assume there would be some continuation of TR plot? Giovanni fucked off in RBGY to train, in GSC remnants of TR tried to contact him... Gio returning in theoretical Pokemon 3 with new plan and as E4 member/champion of new region would be interesting.
>>59035336vgh what could've been
