>VGC is mobile microtransactionslop nowRIP
all of my excitement for this game evaporated in the space of 24 hours. i think im probably done with vgc now tbdesu
>>58988963>implying it wasn't already since they introduced NSO
>no IVsNO NO NO TRICK ROOM SISTERS WHAT IS THIS
>>58988963Are are much fewer than 80 viable VGC Pokemon anyways. What’s the big deal?
>>58988963>5x5 boxsWhen will they learn
>80 That's an entire OU tier + multiple different VGC teams and still would remain space. Actually, this game uses 3v3 singles so you won't even get to have a full OU team anyway so even less space is actually getting to be used.
The storage space isn't the problemThe membership will give access to missions that pay more VP and, without those, you'll have to grind a lot more
>>58988963>MUH MICROTRANSACTIONS!How the hell is anyone complaining about this on a POKEMON board? You guys do actually PLAY the fucking games, right? If you transfer your battle-ready mons over from Home you'll skip like 90% of this mobile currency nonsense. It's clear this stuff is meant to juice mobile phone shitters only.
someone explain it to me like I'm 5, what they fucked up again? I read another thread yesterday and still don't get it
>>58989009>never having to hunt a 0 speed mon ever again
I don't think I've used/tried more than 80 mons in OU tier
>>58989077Membership gives>Increases the number of Pokémon you can store in your Box.>Adds exclusive missions only available to members, where you can receive gifts.>Adds more battle music tracks you can choose during matches.Also there will be battle passes>Purchasing the Premium Battle Pass (paid) unlocks some Battle Pass rewards, allowing you to receive additional outfits for your protagonist and Mega Stones.>The Premium Battle Pass can be purchased each season and remains valid for that season.>Some rewards, such as Mega Stones, can also be obtained by spending VP in the shop.Honestly the main offender is the battle pass cause if you don't do it while it's active, you're gonna have to grind a ton to get those mega stones, and transferring from Home won't save you there
>>58988963You should have posted the follow up correction tweet where he said other screenshots have shown 30, so that might be the free limit
>>58988963Do people really expect this to be identical to Showdown where every single Pokemon is available to build and create an EV spread in a matter of minutes?
>>58989077They're switching to this for VGC. VGC players inject (or have their "friends" trade them) because they can't be fucked to get everything in game legitimately. This game is looking like it's going to be a grindfest to get items, the complete opposite of what VGC players wanted.Even if you buy the battle pass you'll still need to get enough points on it to get mega stones and shit.
>>58989148>the complete opposite of what VGC players wanted.I mean this in the best way possible, but tough fucking shit for themIf Pokemon is going to start using Champions instead of the mainline games now, VGC players don't get an option here. They either grind the battle pass like everyone else or they never get to compete againIt sucks but there's absolutely nothing they can do
>>58988963>pay a subscription to store your mons in HOME>pay another sub to store your mons in this shitI fucking hate mobage shit so much
>>58989093and no more reason to cheat or inject, but I'm sure some faggot still will
>>58989094Back in gen 6 i had 11 boxes just for OU singles, 8 different clefables with seismic toss with 20 in total for different movesets and spreads.Man I miss college, that amount of free time is rare now.
>>58989175why would you ever need more than 80 pokemon stored in Champions at once, and even then you could just open home and switch things out in less than a minute
>>58989121Do they really expect anyone to pay for this bullshit when a real battle sim is free?
>>58989148It's basically confirmed to get rid of IVs which already takes away most the grind that comes with getting a competitive mon.
>>58989186>why would you ever need more than 80 pokemon stored in Champions at onceRetards just see a box limit in a pokemon game and flip out. Lot of idiots don't realize this is a competitive game and not a collectathon. We really aren't gonna need a lot of box space.
>>58989186Because fuck youI'm not paying for the same service twice
>>58989189Yugioh Master Duel has already proven that players would rather play the real deal with microtransactions than free simulators.
>>58989199you dont need to, you get 80 storage spaces absolutely free. I cant even think of 80 seperate pokemon that are actually competitively viable
SmoGODS wonThe CHADfic meta will thrive while VGCels grind the battle pass to teach their Incineroar Fake Out
Which game should I store my Pokemon? So I don't have to pay for Home and Champions.
>megas
>>58989093>>58989009Bruv I actually liked trick room
>>58989199Then don't, you retarded faggot.
>>58989009This has 0 affect on Trick Room in an actual battle.
>>58989009Pretty much everything with low enough speed was running 0 IVs on non-trick room teams anyway. Now all the slow mons will be 31IV and nothing will actually change.
>>58988963Good. I hope anyone who bought into this shit has to suffer as much as possible. Champions never should've existed in the first place, Home should've just had a battle feature from the start to justify being a paid service in the first place.
You'll get a ribbon from Champion. Plus, You'll be transfering your favorite shiny. Some pokémon gift could also eat your free space. Many things could happen!
I think they’re gonna have to walk back eventually on locking mega stones behind grinding. Cosmetics should be enough to sustain cash flow if they’re good enough.
>>58989363Anon they don't have to do anything. You know how many times GF has fucked up and everyone still bought it?If anything I could see them trying to make future gimmicks require items. I'm sure they're kicking themselves now because G-Max factors and Tera types are innate on the pokemon. They can sell Mega Stones and Z-Crystals but that's it.
>>58988963>32 IVs >to force everyone who makes them in game to purchase this slop to get the +1 on their 31 IVs
>>58989376TURN ON YOUR GOD DAMNED MONITOR
>>58989418We've already seen their stats are all set to 31IV
>>58989418The SPs are a simplified version of EVs, not IVs.The IVs are all set to 31 by default
>>58989094It'll be even less for this game because ubershit, dynamax, teras will be allowed. The metas gonna be around 50 of the same pokemon every time. Why use anything other than tera xerneas, you guess the tera type wrong you lose
>>58989426>>58989430You can't pick 0 IV for foul play/trick room?
>>58989440Gamefreak has never liked that being an option, they outright refuse to add some kind of rusty bottle cap. Probably goes against the "spirit" of pokemon if you're actively trying to make them worse
>>58989215You get 30 storage spaces for free. 80 is paid.
>>58989408A game selling millions while being low effort is one thing, but this is specifically for VGC and VGC players are historically lazy as fuck when it comes to actually playing the games. If it's an unfun grindfest to unlock anything usable then it's going to hurt the circuit a lot, especially if you have to keep up with season passes or you're locked out of getting Leftovers until they rerun it or put it in the points shop.The battle pass should strictly be Unite-style Pokemon/trainer cosmetics and points, not important held items.
>>58989433Pretty sure the gimmicks aren't all going to be allowed at the same time, it'll depend on the season. We know for a fact that the first season is Megas only for example.
>>58989474Anyone already into VGC will have tons of battle-ready mons to transfer from Home. They are the ones who will have the least amount of grind.
They're going to fuck this up and removing VGC from the main series was always going to do more harm than good.
>>58989491Home doesn't store items
>>58989493Not locking VGC behind an expensive console + game + multiple other games if you need to transfer mons opens up more people trying out VGC. Even if champions is greedy its not as greedy as the "main series" original method
>>58989498There is almost definitely going to be an ingame shop that lets you buy items with VP or some other currency. If you don't have to spend VP on buying rentals, teaching moves, adjusting stats, etc then it's easier for you to have the currency to buy held items.
>>58989474First of all, things would undoubtedly go into the point shop right after the pass ends. The point is though that it would require a LOT of grinding, like an absolute ton. They're not going to make it where you flat out couldn't have something in time for a VGC tournament if you missed the battle pass.Second of all, VGC players don't get a say here. This is it, they won't run tournaments in the main games anymore. Adapt or give up on comp forever.It SHOULD be cosmetics only, but it won't be, because GF knows they can get away with it.How many people do you think would've played the online mode of ZA if the only special reward was a hat huh? But they offer exclusive mega stones so of course people will go for it.
>>58989510Hard disagree, Pokemon games are effectively reaching the entirety of Pokemon's player base.SwSh and SV sold 27m each and there's not that many more people to reach, much easier to turn players off even trying the game by aggressive monetization and risk severing VGC's connection to the games themselves.
>>58989213You seem to be under the impression that https://www.duelingbook.com/ isn't extremely popular. That is wrong.
>>58989556Just because they sold a lot doesn't mean VGC was more accessible. The grind to make a competitive team is still insane if you don't inject.
>>58989234>SmoGODS won>Gets shut down by salty TPCYeahhhhh
>>58989064>>he believes nintenjew will spare him
>>58989606imablisy is a fucking faggot and so are you.
>nintendo capitalizing on smogonfagswatch them dmca their shit to the ground next year
>Pay Internet bill>Pay Nintendo Online>Pay Pkmn Home>Pay this new shit>Can finally play with my toysThis shit is why o stick to fan games. Watch them break record numbers of money made from retards.
>>58988963>evs capping at 32Shouldn't it be 64 or am I just bad at math
>>58989835You forgot to pay for the battle pass
>>58989148>>58989172This is likely by design, I'm fairly sure GF and TPC dislikes the idea of several world champions not actually liking Pokemon outside of as a pure number strategy game and would rather they fuck off and give them some marketable champions instead.
>>58989009If ivs in speed don't exist you'll be able to tell which Pokemon moves first in trick room 100% of the time instead of having a Torkal with 11ivs to move first in trick room and still out speed others out of it.
>champions look kinda ass>open twitter, see gayest tweet ever created by smogonfagsWell, I guess I’m all in Champions
>>58990196Holy imagine being an unironic proud goyim
>>58990196Yep I'm team Champions, fuck this faggot
>Trick Room
you do realize that if showdown gets dmca'd literally nothing would happen because of private servers?
>>58990243Yo nigga dead Ghttps://x.com/khamenei_ir/status/2027926396136296683
>>58989213You mean the game with the virtually free battle pass?
>>58990682F
>>58988963They literally said you can't buy VP dipshitThe point of this is so that the best way to get Pokemon is Home transfers but you still have the option otherwiseAlso if you REALLY wanted to 100% F2P with no transfers>download Go>catch a bunch of random shitter Pokemon>transfer to Home (free version)>trade random shitter with genning bot for thing you actually want for Comp>repeat until you fill the free box with whatever you want>dedicate all your VP to changing items, EVs, and movesLike seriously you people dont think or pay attention to goddamn anything. Monetization is probably largely cosmetic, we already saw the FREE portion of the Battle Pass even has minor cosmetic stuff (profile picture), and they also said you can buy everything in the Battle Pass with VP seperately its just a second way to get it that doesn't cost VP
>>58990468Trick Room is still viable, it's just easier to tell which mons will move first now. I plan on making a Trick Room team with Mega Mawile.
>>58989584DB is far less popular after MD came out. Most people who still use DB do it to playtest decks for ycs's or to play alt formats badly.
>>58990519Its not even a huge loss of "depth" there's just slightly less speed tiers to worry about in terms of a Pokemon's lower range, which like its not really changing much at all its just clamped ranges. I sincerely doubt that the extra ranges offered by non-Max IVs actually were relevant too oftenThe place where its ACTUALLY noticeable is with Foul Play and abilities like Beast Boost/Protosynthesis/etc, where in some cases (i cant remember any besides Stakataka) you needed non-maxed IVs for it to be possible for a stat to not count as your highest stat
>>58990946You are way too gracious to GF if you think it stops there. Like, it’s almost scary
>>58990964The most popular competitive formats won't be available on champions, so it'll have less penetration than master duel did. I think there's nothing to worry about.
>>58991136The most popular format is VGC
>>58988963This is completely normalhttps://youtu.be/T4Upf_B9RLQ?si=IYC37Hfr30GFnioD
>>5898896380 is extremely generous for a game that is confirmed to only have Singles/Doubles
>>58991143No, it's not, lol. Go look at how many people play vgc and how many people play showdown.
>>58989186didnt they say you can't transfer pokemon back? sure you wouldnt need all of the shit mons but Id imagine over time it'll be a pain in the ass especially with new mons.
>>58991218>didnt they say you can't transfer pokemon back?You can transfer them back but any changes you made to them in champions (EVs, moves, etc) don't stay.
>>58989284wrong, there are pokémon that are used in Trick Room solely because of the ability of running 0 IV. For example despite their base 75 and 80 speed respectively, Armarouge and Gallade underspeed most incineroars (base 60) because almost nobody bothers to run min speed incineroar. Same for ursaluna and amoonguss, most people run neutral amoonguss and min speed ursaluna underspeeds that despite the higher base speed.>>58989303wrong, see above>>58989841you'd be correct at level 100, but VGC is played at level 50. Which means you use 8 EV to raise 1 stat point (except the jump from 0 to 4).
>>58991195People play VGC on showdown, Reg F is more popular than OU.Randbats is the biggest on Showdown, eclipsing all other formats combined, but that's also not a serious comp.
At first I thought it was absurd to only have 80 Pokemon total, but I guess they don't want you storing 1000 Pokemon and never having to use the recruitment feature ever again. Increasing box space is also a pretty safe way to encourage spending without being P2W.
>>58991408It's launching with a limited pool of mons to start so you really don't need much box space.
>>58988980I was done with VGC once Regulation H got centralized
>>58989009Room Service exists.
>>58989918Based if true
>>58990196Holy shit this faggot does nothing but seethe about Orange Man on twitterYou’re a POKEMON guy you fucking retard, nobody cares
>>58988963>no boxes, just one list>5 columnshow did they manage to fuck up the literal most basic part of the interface
>>58989009They effectively want to homogenize all pokemon so that there is zero difference between two pokemon of the same species. Now open team sheets will truly be open team sheets and you will know everything about your opponent before the battle even starts. This is what you all wanted, not sure why you’re all backpedaling on it now.
>>58991758I assume it's part of their excuse for no hidden power (yes I know its been gone for years)
>>58991190Time to use only cookie cutter builds
>>58991750It's to more easily sell additional spaces. The extra box spaces from the subscription are likely not the only way to increase box size.
Why is the arrow to return back to SV dotted? Please don't tell me mons sent to Champions can't ever be sent back to pre-ZA games
>>58991949They already confirmed if you send a mon from SV to ZA it can't return to SV. Same could potentially be true for Champions.I don't know why it will matter when everyone will be moving to gen 10 next year anyway.
>>58991870Nah they just want people to be able to reasonably use mons from any game in Champions. GO being the biggest one which doesn't even use the standard 31IV system in the first place.
>>58991758Aside from extremely niche setups like putting middling speed mons at 0 IVs for Trick Room there isn't any strategic change to everything being 31 IVs. Anything you wanted to click Foul Play on you are still going to do so regardless of their atk being 0 or 31.
Most importantly, because of the heavy monetization and being forced to comply with Google's (and Apple's?) ToS, they will kinda finally be forced to take punishing people using various exploits and non-official tools more seriously.Era of PKHeX and VGCucks being allowed to shamelessly cheat is over, otherwise they gonna get their accounts permabanned and put on a wall of shame if Champions will be taking cue from other gacha and will be publishing reports on Xitter or something.Imagine reading report about banned accounts and you just see :WolfeGlickVGC" on the list...
>>58991953This, SV is dead
>>58991990If you properly use PKhex there is zero way for them to detect that you "cheated".
>>58989121Why play Champions if it gives no tangible benefits over playing cart or showdown? Its the worst of both worlds.
>>58991990The only way they could enforce real anti-cheating measures is by drastically reworking how pokemon data is handled in generation 10. There is absolutely nothing they can do to stop Home legal injected mons for all the current games.
>>58992018Unless they gonna introduce another, more convoluted flag and encryption system."Uhhh, they not gonna do it. Btw, using pkhex is not cheating chuuuuud" is not working when actual threat of having their mobile slop nuked by Google and Apple hangs above Ishihara's dumb head.It's not me being smug against VGCucks right now, I'm saying what will happen.
I can't take outrage about microtransactions for Champions seriously after you all threw a shitfit over FRLG miniscule price tag. With Home transfers it looks easy to play this game for little to no payments required.
>>58989098>Mega StonesOh no no no HAHAHAHA
>>58992123I thought the same thing the moment he mentioned wolfe lmao
>>58991949>Put my SV only mon into champion>not in ZA>it's not in WW or it's dlc>genuinely fucking locked to champions Would be hilarious to see
It's all ogre now. Time for Champions.
Most grinding is going to be avoided by having Pokemon to transfer in from HOME. The majority of the stuff you get from grinding is tickets related to the rental Pokemon.
>>58992386Yes you are correct. Unfortunately that won't change the fact that people will see any form of grinding or optional microtransaction and immediately start shitting their pants.
>>58990946you can buy training tickets, teammate tickets, and recruitment tickets though
>>58989608>Two more weeks and daddy nintendo will shut you down!How many years have you been saying this?
>>58990196>guys Israel is unhealthy for the meta we need to ban themBased?!?
>>58991392And randbats wont be in Champions, so anon was correct.
>>58990196wasn't Finchinator a kike?
>>58992096>FRLG miniscule price tagHomie paid 20 bucks for spyware and is proud of it lmao
All I wanted was modern Pokemon Stadium where you copy your boxes over and play online.
>>58989256oras or usum
>>58992123Wow this verlis guy is really pathetic. I hate how wolfe fans eagerly suck his dick on anything that he makes, but this is like another level of cringe to be this obsessed at hating wolfe.
>>58992386Now what if, when you return your pokemon to home, any stat changes or moves get reset and you don't get your points back
>>58992680It's already confirmed that training done in Champions is saved
>>58989077theyve turned vgc into a fortnite/mmo-esque daily grindslop where you have to be playing or paying constantly to keep on top of everything
>>58988963>>58988963KEK! Showdownchads win again.Championschimps can cope and rope with their microtransaction garbage.
>>58988963That was apparent from the second they announced it would be F2P, and retards tried to cope and say it wouldn't have a cancerous monetization scheme.Literally the only thing worth caring about in Champions are the ZA Megas' abilities.
>>58989009IVs never should have gone up to 31. Should have gone something like 0, 1 and 2, so that way you can still have variety without drastic stat changes for players to care too much about.
>>58988963I hope championnis such a disaster thst they feel obligstes to relase winds and wsves early as apology for shittty 30 year anniversary.
>>58992990It's going to be insanely popular and make more money than god.
>>58992560It costs twenty dollars to go to a movie or eat at a restaurant.
>>58992680It does reset to what it was but the changes will return when sent back to champions. It's probably so you wouldn't technically lose access to moves you paid VP for in Champions if you taught them something else in another game, or they no longer learned that move in a future game.
>>58992028Because you don't have to grind for hours to get a viable team like on cart and it's a real fucking game instead of still jpegs like showdown.
>>58993495Nigga, I expect a good service for $20 without tip and video game is not exceptional.
>>58990946Hope gen 10 doesn't power creep up or there won't be any genning bots also self injecting > Ebay > gen bots, the home tracker shut down your easy way, now you must own a game that they come from.
>>58989064Compfags hate to play the games. They had it coming.
>>58993653Switch 2 will be fully hacked by next year. It's a Nintendo console, it cannot escape it's fate.
>>58988963I really don't care if they lock cosmetics and music behind a paywall. Giving Pokemon as battle pass rewards and gacha shit is also fine because you can just link to Home. Simple QoL like additional box space and more battle teams requiring a subscription is annoying but not too bad.The battle pass and additional missions is what's really scummy.You can buy important items like mega stones with the in game currency or purchase the battle pass and get the items for free.The additional missions you get for the subscription will also likely give you more of the in game money.All that talk about how the in game money could not be purchased just to make it so you can basically pay for it anyways.
>>58993786>You can buy important items like mega stones with the in game currency or purchase the battle pass and get the items for free.The mega stones are from the free battle pass, you won't have to pay to get those.Also the game will likely have a shop with all the mega stones and other held items for VP. Unite did the same thing on launch where it had a bunch of missions to unlock free held items but all of them where still available in the shop at all times.
>>58993786They did a heavy rework on the monetization between the last time we saw how much VP training cost, and how much it costs now. I think training a Pokemon went from 1,000 VP to 2,600 VP or something like that.
>>58993846What exactly do you mean by "training" a pokemon? Because VP costs will vary depending on how much you changed (moves, natures, evs, etc).
>>58989873AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>58990196never thought this faggot could be even remotely based but holy shit I was wrong
>>58993911Original pricing was:1 VP per EV (66 VP for every stat point total)100 VP per move (400 VP total)200 VP for Nature400 VP for AbilitySo it was 1066 to modify all the stats at once, if you needed to. I don't know where they're getting the 2,600.
>>58990196>s-stop making fun of my jewish hot-spot goyim! Get fucked jewlover.
I know no one here is watching, but Seattle Regional is in Day 2 right now and there have been some wild teams brought that are way more interesting than EUIC.
>>58989189Yes? People will play this for fun and drop it in a month or be trapped by the FOMO BP and stick like with games as Fortnite.Showdown is literally an autism hellhole. Anyone weird enough to use that shit outside of the novelty once years ago won't be hopping into Champions in the first place.Champions was never made with Showdown nerds in mind.
>>58994085Link to the team lists?
>>58994122https://www.pokedata.ovh/standingsVGC/0000173/masters/There's a team with Dpult, Gzap, Wyrdeer, Ribombee, etc that was on stream yesterday.
>>58994055not sure about training prices, but from the previous trailer to the one on friday, recruiting costs went up from 1k to 2.5k, with the option of paying with one of the premium tickets being added. so i wouldnt be surprised if VP costs went up across the board to encourage you to get the battle pass and just pay for stuff with the premium tickets
>>58994055Watch them only give you 50VP per match.
>>58993510These are same people that complain about paying $20 for a GBA rom on Switch in 2026. People who actually leave their mom's basement aren't downloading emulators or buying 3rd party retro consoles. People want to boot a game and play.
>>58994132Holy fuck.
>Entire game centered around battling>Battles look just as boring as in mainline>Stadiums also look boring
>>58994186>Stadiums also look boringStadiums minigames were the best part. Ruined so many n64 controllers
>>58994134this game is so fucking doa kek
>>58992028It's for VGC. Why's this so hard to understand? There's no "playing cart" anymore for VGC. If you just want to have casual 20-minute timer battles with Timmy then you can still play on cart (assuming GF doesn't just remove multiplayer from the games after this). If you want to play the autism fanfic meta with other 40 year olds, Showdown still exists (for now). Champions is for proper official tourney play and also another mobile gacha money printer for Nintendo.
>>58989009We're finally free. You're too young to remember when Pokemon below level 50 weren't leveled to 50 and you had to legitimately debate if running level 48 Scrafty or 45 Jellicent was worth it for the TR mirror. TR is a fun architype, but intentionally gimping yourself and having to be fiddly with IVs is stupid. Set everything to level 50, 31IVs. If you want to go slow, use a hindering speed nature. Simple as that. I look forward not having to hack in 0 attack 0 speed Lunala because the Foul Play damage actually mattered and could be the difference between a 2 and 3 shot. And while it being locked in at 2 is unfortunate, at least it's a time saver.
>>58991277Gallades weren't running Brave with 0IV in Reg H. Fast Ursaluna was common enough that, rather than risk being speed sandwiched, you just ran enough speed to hit 105 and outspeed max speed Ursaluna outside of TR so you'd guaranteed know that you were faster outside of TR and not to set it up until Ursaluna was dealt with.
>>58995475This presumes GF even bothers to implement multiplayer battles in game in Gen 10.>now that you can play in Champions we felt it was best to focus on the "robust" single player gameplayThey're champing at the bit for another feature to cut.
>>58989835Nintendo Online is the one thing you don't have to pay for here weirdly enough. Games that are free on the eShop like this and Unite let you use the internet without NSO.
