>>59002373
asserting loli/shota as CSAM diminishes the weight of actual CSAM

>>59002380
FPBP. Most japanese creative teams have lolicons especially pokemon.

There was loli comics of his in the teraleak so yea

>>59002373
Would explain why pokemon protags stopped looking like young adults and started looking like 8 year olds in gen 7 so yea i believe it.

>>59002422
Seriously?

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>>59002765
Not in the teraleak but Sugimori used to draw lolis in Game Freak's old game magazines. It was never any lewder than this AFAIK.

>>59002380
>>59002406
Most japanese lolicons also have no problems with pedophilia
CP was legal until 2014 so there was no reason for them to think there was anything wrong with consuming it, especially if you consider the fact Game Freak is made up of hardcore otaku from the 70s-80s

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>>59002797
>there's no reason to think something is wrong if it's not illegal

>>59002900
>what is irreconcilable cultural difference

>>59002912
Do you think being a pedophile wasn't stigmatized in Japan until 2014?

>>59002797
Oh boy, wait until you meet Kyary Pamyu Pamyu

I sometimes lurk the archives for fun and one OP said some shit like ">realizing GF was a loli pedo hentai magazine" or something akin to that, and the rest of the replies seemed to have taken that at face value, and sometimes I don't know if you people are joking or not.
Gamefreak started as a doujinshi/fanzine dedicated to video games, and was one of the first publications dedicated to video games in Japan. Tajiri would write about gaming news, and according to him it was one of the first strategy guides in Japan. He recruited Sugimori at a doujin shop because he needed an artist. They were both barely in their late teens, tell me if I got any details wrong.
Sugimori liked drawing lolis from time to time but everyone did, Toriyama did, it was a very otaku thing. But saying it was a loli hentai doujin is silly. Basically what >>59002796 said

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>>59003008
Forgot

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It's really interesting to see Sugimori's more round and chibi era. He really did follow in Toryiama's footsteps

>>59002915
Being a pedophile and being a child abuser are two different things, and Japan is culturally lax about the former. Getting arrested for it obviously smears their name but only because of the arrest and not because of the crime, otherwise it's a wink wink open secret type of deal

>>59003019
>Lolicons always being pedophilic from the start is a secret I think weebs intentionally ignore.
Ironic lolicons gaslit themselves into thinking pedophilia was never a part of lolicon through that stupid "fiction from reality" meme

>>59003034
>ironic
why is it so hard for you to believe that some people detest the idea of actually harming children but are fine with looking at fictional drawings?
doesn't even make sense to describe it with "irony".

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>>59003028
Being a pedophile is a universal taboo across every human culture. Japanese people not being as hysterical about it as Americans who "think of the children" while electing a pedophile President does not make it remotely socially acceptable. Your perception of Japanese culture comes from anime and porn and you don't know what you're talking about.

>59003019
>>59003034
Where are the pro-pedophile groups at Comiket?
Magazines, circles and other groups catering to lolicons have consistently advocated for the protection of real children for decades. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>59003044
>fictional drawings
What about photorealistic AI? Assume the training material wasn't the real thing.

>>59003008
>>59003012
And nowadays western normalfags who got into anime complain about lolis and claim as if it is a new thing or an obscure thing in anime. Same with the normalfaga who complain that the pokegirls are sexualized, even claiming that sexualizing them is an insutl to Sugimori and gamefreak.

>>59003069
>What about photorealistic AI?
If you're jacking it to that, then you're probably coping with being legitimately attracted to kids.
I don't really see how that's relevant to my point though.

Hes an old school otaku, of course he a fucking lolicon

>>59003076
How are you this much in denial to not see that they are the exact same thing as drawings

>>59003083
What are the exact same thing as drawings? I genuinely don't know what point you're trying to make right now.

>>59003087
AI generated images

>>59003098
Oh, well I'm not in denial about that. Photorealistic 2D AI images of kids are the same as photorealistic drawn images of kids.

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>>59003069
>>59003083
CSAM is immoral and illegal because it necessarily involves the abuse and/or exploitation of real children
The arbitrary "realism" of a drawing is morally and legally irrelevant, what's relevant is that it does not involve abusing or exploiting real children and therefore causes no harm
AI-generated photorealistic material is wrong and illegal because it is trained on real images of children
>but what if it isn't
It is, they're lying to you.

>>59003049
>Being a pedophile is a universal taboo across every human culture.
1, that's patently false there's still places with openly practices child marriage.

2. even accepting that false premise it only applies to the modern day. go back even just 200 years and things shift real quick.

>>59003069
at bare minimum that is illegal. if it can't be distinguished from real CP it's CP as far as the FBI is concerned, doesn't matter if a computer made it.
you can post loli to /b/ all day, but truly photorealistic gets you the party van.
and even cartoon of real persons is party van, so don't do that either. I don't know why so many people want child era greta thunberg porn, but don't fucking do it.

>>59003137
>at bare minimum that is illegal. if it can't be distinguished from real CP it's CP as far as the FBI is concerned, doesn't matter if a computer made it.
In that regard, it's *all* illegal - drawn or no. Doesn't need to have anything to do with AI, doesn't need anything to do with harming actual kids.
You can get charged for this stuff as if you were a kid diddler in the US even if it's purely drawn from the imagination of the artist.
>you can post loli to /b/ all day, but truly photorealistic gets you the party van
You can get away with it, but if they happened to catch you with it on your hard drive and wanted to charge you, they could and would.
Look it up.

>>59003107
Yes but hypothetically, what if it wasn't trained on the real thing but it looked just like the real thing, is more what I was asking. You would be forced to say something like, this isn't child porn but it looks exactly like child porn but since it isn't it's fine. Because right now the whole thing is that the drawing part abstracts the problem a bit, but when faced with a perfect copy in a simulated space it takes a lot more to stand your ground.

>>59003147
Well, if you're talking from a legal standpoint, it's all illegal. At least, in the US.
See >>59003145

>>59003152
I think they're talking about it in the sense of moral superiority more than law. Still funny though, imagine getting raped for having Sugimori's favorite pedo art on your harddrive

>>59003158
In the moral sense? Who cares so long as you aren't infringing on kids. We're talking about literal thoughtcrime at this point.
But, I suppose an argument could be made that people who get off to photorealistic stuff are more likely to UUUUUOOOOOH out and do something to kids irl, but that's getting into the territory of what-ifs.
And, again, what can you do about that? It's thoughts-in-heads.

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>>59003112
Betrothal or marriage is distinct from sexual contact. Even before the modern era the legal and normal standard of marriageable age, being expected to bear children, was puberty, for obvious self-evident reasons.
It has never been normal and acceptable for an adult man to force himself on a pre-pubescent girl. The pretext of marriage enables abuse and rape to this day but these are not things that are done openly.

>>59003166
>literal thoughtcrime
Yes that's how moral outrage works. The only thing is that for a normie they probably wouldn't indulge in simulated versions but lolicons would likely be all over it and would have to answer for that one. What ifs are thought experiments sometimes for fun but let's face it they're mostly to tie it back to the real world in some regard. The it's just a drawing meme man would have a tougher time justifying their actions, because it would just look like they are simulating diddling kids and it looks like the real thing (but it's not)

>>59003145
>In that regard, it's *all* illegal - drawn or no.
that's not the law.
>You can get away with it
Breaking US law is a bannable offense. Permaban usually.
Posting cartoon loli is not a bannable offense at all.
This should be a blatant enough evidence that you don't know shit for what the law actually says.

>Indistinguishably Photorealistic
>Real person
those are the two land mines you don't step on (Some individual states have more strict laws, check your locals too)

>>59003190
>The it's just a drawing meme man would have a tougher time justifying their actions, because it would just look like they are simulating diddling kids and it looks like the real thing (but it's not)
If you're at the point where you have to justify your degenerate pornography to the people around you, it's already over.
The point of "it's just a drawing" rhetoric is to point out that no one is actually harmed in this process, not that you're immune to the social consequences of participating in the stuff. Sure, there are probably some delusional enough to think that rhetoric does absolve them of the social guilt that they would have if it became public, but anybody whose brain isn't rotted by the pornography they consume knows to keep it to themselves because normal people would and are rightly concerned by this sort of content regardless of if you or what you jack it to is actually harming children - because how could they know for certain?

>>59003201
>>In that regard, it's *all* illegal - drawn or no.
>that's not the law.
It's not as simple as I said, but all the loli/shota stuff that people peddle on here would 100% fail to pass the case-by-case test they carry out to determine if you have broken the law.
That's the loophole that lets sites like this and other places get away with it - because it's a case-by-case basis.

>>59002373
>>59002380
>>59002797
>>59002912
>>59002915
Oh yeah I've always wondered about the status of pedophilia in Japan, especially in the 80s-90s. Was it really not seen as a big deal or something?

Comafag here, what does CSAM stand for and why does everyone use it instead of CP now? I'm too much of a pussy to google the acronym.

>>59003235
>CSAM
Child sexual abuse material.
PC/legalistic version of CP, because the implications of "child pornography" legitimizes it, I suppose. That's my guess.

>>59003158
>>59003166
You could make the "gay propaganda" argument for this as well. There are a lot of people who are against depictions and glorification of homosexuality in children's media because they're afraid that it can push them in the wrong direction and turn them into an actual faggot. Similarly, even if loli stuff is drawn and "technically doesn't harm anyone" it can push someone further down the rabbit hole to the point they might end up being an actual pedophile.

>>59002373
So what ?
Americans voted for a pedophile twice

>>59003235
It's the official term used in law
Maybe because actual pedophiles use "CP" too much

>>59003262
I think that is probably the strongest argument against it; it's just degenerate. And, the slippery slope is real.
Sure, there'll be monsters who do awful things to kids no matter what, but I cannot imagine any of this is helping.

>>59003262
>There are a lot of people who are against depictions and glorification of homosexuality in children's media because they're afraid that it can push them in the wrong direction and turn them into an actual faggot
That's what Russia says, meanwhile possession of CP is legal there and they kill actual children

>>59003277
Slavniggers aren’t human

>>59003008
/vp/ is an extremely underage and stupid board, anon.

>>59003234
The early loli magazines had actual kids in it and they were eventually stamped down on by the late 80's
I think it was an overlooked grey area that the police took awhile to do something about

>>59003262
>it can push someone further down the rabbit hole to the point they might end up being an actual pedophile.
This sounds like the violence in video games and school shooters hysteria

>>59002373
>>59002422
>>59003008
Moral implications of this stuff aside, are Nintendo and Game Freak okay with Sugimori casually posting this stuff on X? Pokemon is supposed to be a "family friendly" franchise primarily targeted at kids, so having one of the main artists just casually talk about porno, (even adult porno) on the internet doesn't seem like something you would want your brand to be associated with. It'd be like Walt Disney drawing lewd Minnie Mouse.

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>>59003229
4chan has actively and openly cooperated with the FBI for 20 years. Lolicon/shotacon content is categorically legal under United States law, it is protected artistic speech under the First Amendment. The website which you are using right now, and many other popular websites which openly host it, would not be operating if this were not the case.
>would 100% fail to pass the case-by-case test they carry out
There is no such test. "Obscenity laws" vary totally by jurisdiction, if they exist at all, down to the municipal level. They are also blatantly unconstitutional and virtually impossible to satisfy, there are vanishingly few cases of anyone being convicted on the basis of offending lolicon material alone without other aggravating factors like actual CSAM.

>>59003290
Eh, I'm not sure. When you masturbate, you are genuinely engaging in a sexual act. I know as a somehow who used to jerk off for years, you do genuinely degenerate if you just keep jerking off - you can start off with regular naked ladies, but if you keep it up without break, you do need *more* than just that to turn you on.
When you're playing a violent video game, it's so detached from actual violence that only psychos who're already unhinged can turn school-shooter from it.

>>59002797
>Most japanese lolicons also have no problems with pedophilia
Facts pulled straight out of your faggot nigger ass.

>>59003293
I don't know what the left thing is. It could be SFW and just be a little saucy. The right looks safe enough and is fanart of his own character from a GF's first game.
I know Pokemon is sobrutally sanitized, but maybe they won't view it more than the shower scenes in Doraemon
>It'd be like Walt Disney drawing lewd Minnie Mouse
Someone bring up the Jungle Book quote

>>59003234
The confusion mostly stems from retards that treat "mildly erotic bikini photo of young model" and "putting your penis inside a 6 year old" as the exact same thing.
The former was legal in Japan until recently, and nobody really gives a shit nowadays either because it only became illegal due to western pressure. The latter has never been allowed and is seen as just as bad in Japan as elsewhere.

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>>59003262
>>59003271
>>59003299
>the slippery slope is real
You are moralist Anglo cattle and you should kill yourselves before you ruin any other hobbies

>>59003290
It basically is. He's also comparing shit like gays holding hands in the monogamous fashion to bugchasing and watching hardcore anal or some shit. Watch him do some projection.

>>59002797
>CP was legal until 2014
Damn I love making up shit, I loved making this post. Also I'm a big ugly fat bitch Indian nig nig nigger who faps to trannies.

>>59003299
>you do need *more* than just that to turn you on.
no you don't retard
>only psychos who're already unhinged can turn school-shooter from it.
nobody has shot up a school because of a video game retard

>>59003290
This guy>>59003299 sums it up well, but one thing I'd like to add is human sexual psychology is genuinely a mystery even to this day. We still have no idea that exact cause behind fetishes, homosexuality, pedophilia etc. It can be triggered by anything that happens during childhood to adolescence. I can speak for this since I have my own share of weird kinks (nothing illegal thankfully) that were awakened by innocuous childhood experiences. I've also read first hand accounts anons who experienced similar stuff (like seeing a tentacle in a cartoon awakening a tentacle kink). So for the time being, it's best to err on the side of caution and not normalise stuff that that can lead you down weird rabbit holes.

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>>59003306
Forgot

>>59003313
The possession of CP was legal. Making it and distributing it was not.

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>>59003296
I'm getting different results.
According to this "Miller Test" they impose, even a good deal of the art posted to /vp/ could get you in trouble.
The only reason it's allowed is because the Miller Test is imposed on a case-by-case basis.

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>>59003322
Ken art.

>>59003282
I guess we shouldn't use their logic then.

>>59003325
It wasn't. Please stop being Indian, I beg you. A gun will do.

>>59003315
>>only psychos who're already unhinged can turn school-shooter from it.
>nobody has shot up a school because of a video game retard
I'm not saying they have. I'm saying anybody who has shot up a school would have done it anyway.
>no you don't
Not if you're healthy about it, no. But so many people do not have a healthy relationship to pornography and masturbation.
>>59003310
That's not really an argument. The fact that fags went from fringe to being the "conservative" option in the face of trannies is proof that the slippery slope is a real thing.

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>>59003318
>This guy>>59003299 sums it up well
No he doesn't, he's a retard pushing pop psychology bullshit with no basis in reality
You are making EXACTLY the same argument as the people who blamed Columbine on DOOM and want to ban Grand Theft Auto for causing violent crime (which is at an all-time low)
>erm idk how it works but we should ban problematic and icky media just to be safe :)
Kill yourself.

>>59003328
If you are unironically citing fucking AI shit at me I am going to assume that I have been arguing about this topic on 4chan for longer than you've been alive.
Kill yourself twice.

>>59003345
>If you are unironically citing fucking AI shit at me I am going to assume
So you're going to plug your ears because it's an inconvenient narrative. Alright, that's your prerogative.

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>>59003341
You are moralist Anglo cattle and you should kill yourself period.

>>59003350
I just feel vindicated by the fact that you guys have started throwing tantrums rather than refuting the legal argument presented to you.

>>59003345
Listen man I already told you here>>59003318 the urge to commit violence and the urge to jerk off operate on different planes.

I don't think loli art should be illegal either, but that's only because I think cops should focus on actual abusers instead of wasting time on internet pervs.

>>59003305
>>59003336
lol

>>59003293
>It'd be like Walt Disney drawing lewd Minnie Mouse.
that happens a lot more than you think. a LOT more than you think.

>>59003313
he's wrong about the exact year, but it was fairly recent. the swap over is what got Nobuhiro Watsuki. When he bought it, it was legal, but then it wasn't, so he had a duty to destroy what he had bought, and didn't. Instead he was caught with so damn much on hand they initially thought he was a distributor, over 100 DVDs worth.
Which is why there will be no more Rurouni Kenshin, and why people were looking at Eiichiro Oda, Yoshihiro Togashi, and Masashi Kishimoto sideways for defending him 3 years later.

Though even then, he only got off with a 200,000 yen fine, which is like, $2000.

>>59003350
Oh my science, is that a.... -drawing of a- 7 year old pussy?

However, there were no laws addressing the simple possession of any kind of pornography in general (which included child pornography, with no intent to sale or distribute). On 4 June 2014, a bill was approved to be passed to ban the possession, closing this loophole in the nation's child pornography prohibition law, although it did not apply to hentai in anime and manga in order to prevent abuse of the law.[8][3][9] The bill passed on 18 June.[10]

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>>59002373
It's always funny seeing normies and secondaries react to this stuff, not realizing that this was pretty normal in Japan with major game publishers releasing loli games and nobody cared, their society was just fine and booming. But nooooo gotta conform to western values, let brownoids in and ruin your culture, and let everything go to shit AND IT'S A GOOD THING!

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the same virtuesignaling people here will unironically support nintendos and pokemons worst practices while gatekeeping any attempts for them to be better

>>59003371
This is a bot thread including this post and your post

Honestly, I brought up the PROTECT Act of 2003 and the Miller Test hoping somebody *would* refute me, despite my "vindication" remark.
I don't think loli/shota should be illegal, and how easily accessible it is seemed to indicate that anon is right that it is legal.
But, nobody's making a real case against it here.

>>59003371
>the same virtuesignaling people here
are in the loli threads on /b/ with their right hand in their pants, still typing this same shit with their left.

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>>59002373
I thought that Princess Peach was his true and only waifu.

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>>59003349
>>59003351
You are clearly not an American and are learning about these basic legal concepts for the first time, I already told you that you're wrong and pointed out the obvious proof to this fact, it's your choice to continue to be an ignorant retard

>>59003341
>fags went from fringe to being the "conservative" option in the face of trannies is proof that the slippery slope is a real thing.
Don't normies ever stop to think about the bizzare cultural shift around fags? Gay marriage went from something deep blue states like California and Hawaii voted against via referendum to something that's treated as alin to wanting to reinstate segregation if you oppose it in the span of 10 years. This can't be organic.

>>59003392
>You are clearly not an American and are learning about these basic legal concepts for the first time
But, what about the US v. Handley case? Doesn't that disprove your claims?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley

>>59003356
You are making the same dopamine addiction slippery slope bullshit argument that everyone from neocons to Twitter teens use to justify satisfying the authoritarian Anglo impulse to ban everything that makes them uncomfortable.
Stop carrying water for these people based on anecdotal bullshit and fake pop science with absolutely zero evidence behind it.

>>59003328
how do you have "not obscene" pornography?

>>59003405
Well, exactly my point. Any normie jury would convict for any of this stuff by this standard.

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>>59003405
Good question!

>>59003408
Pornography is obviously obscene, therefore pornography is illegal in the United States.
Right?

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>>59003364
>there will be no more Rurouni Kenshin
There's been more Kenshin for many years after he got fined. Japan doesn't give a shit, this is literally the nip equivalent of the "drank alcohol during prohibition" crime.
It's only overly online westfags that are sperging out over him, and it's mostly because western media presented it as him buying black market home videos of parents raping their babies and not as him buying legal erotica and not disposing of it during the grace period after it became illegal.
All the faggots denouncing Watsuki for this are almost guaranteed to be fans of manga by authors who had the exact same kind of "cp" as well.

>>59003422
If it involves children, even fictional, then you can be put in court, they'll hold you to this standard, and you can be charged for it. That's the claim I'm making based upon the evidence I've found, and nobody is refuting me.

>>59003402
Dude you wanting to jerk it to cartoon kids doesn't make you a political revolutionary. What are we even arguing over here? Loli should be illegal? I already told you I think cops should focus on real crimes than arresting people jerking it to cartoons. Are you trying to argue that loli is morally okay?

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>>59003439
>Are you trying to argue that loli is morally okay?
lmao you fucking people

>>59003401
He pled guilty because his lawyer talked him into it as part of a plea bargian.

And even then the Judge bothered to say he couldn't really have been found guilty if he hadn't, that such material only would be criminal if it failed the Miller Test and thus wasn't constitutionally protected, which is a true statement about any and all pornography, the Miller case specifically being about mail-order pornography.

>>59003422
that was the case being made in court, yes.

it was struck down as unconstitutional, but every few years somebody tries it again and gets the same answer.

>>59003432
>they'll hold you to this standard
what standard? Your personal feefees?

>>59003452
>that such material only would be criminal if it failed the Miller Test and thus wasn't constitutionally protected, which is a true statement about any and all pornography, the Miller case specifically being about mail-order pornography.
So, you're saying the Miller Test is only applicable to mail-order porn? On the Wiki page (not exactly reliable, I know), it says he pled guilty because he knew he wouldn't be acquitted by the jury if it came to the Miller Test.

>>59003457
>what standard? Your personal feefees?
Grow up or learn to follow a thread. The Miller Test, you moron.
So, the "feefees" of normalfaggots who think you're repulsive and would gladly see you charged if they had the opportunity.

>>59002797
this. I found out gradeschoolers/Middle-schoolers (specifically) in japan have a an anti-kidnapper alarm on their school bags because of real expressed concerns. Wether founded or not, Thats WILD. And they even make fetish art surrounding that.

>Killing fictional people in a realistic videogame
:D
>Watching anime looking porn of fictional characters
>:(

>>59003458
No i'm saying the miller case applies to ALL pornography. ANY porn that doesn't pass the miller test is illegal to obscenity laws. Cartoon Lolicon is exactly as protected a speech as the entirety of Pornhub.

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>>59003458
>>59003461
>So, you're saying the Miller Test is only applicable to mail-order porn?
This is why I stopped arguing with you and left it for someone else to take the bait, you're a terminally illiterate retard. You posted this wall of AI guess-the-word bullshit >>59003328 and didn't process a single word that it told you, you don't know how to read at an adult level and you are not mentally competent to have this discussion even if you weren't profoundly ignorant of the subject matter in the first place.
I even cut through all of (not really that) complicated legal bullshit and gave you the simple proof that "if loli was illegal 4chan would have been shut down 20 years ago," but that wasn't enough for you because you're a midwit who can't draw a simple logical conclusion and you instead rely on bullshit that the computer tells you which you don't even fucking understand.
I weep for the future, may God have mercy on us all.

>>59003470
How, though? It doesn't seem like loli/shota porn would pass any of the three criteria of the test because it would be considered shameful, offensive, and lacking in literary/artistic value.

>>59003474
Anon, I already told you why this site and others would still be allowed to remain up. Settle down.

>>59003466
killing is not inherently anti-social, it is often contextualized (self defense/determination, retributive/karmic, ideologically acceptable). Bestiality, pedophilia, torture, random killing, and all sorts of extreme behaviors when enacted are deeply antisocial and destabilizing. Maybe in a hundred years, lots of justifications for murder will erode, and become unconscionable, but for now, we at least agree that sexualizing children is deeply unsettling.

>>59003364
dude come on https://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/06/world/asia/japan-child-pornography
>>59003305
>>59003313
>I'm a big ugly fat bitch
Yes you are now kill yourself

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>>59003481
>and lacking in literary/artistic value
Prove it.

>>59003481
to you.
to a southern baptist pearl clutcher, basically any sexual nudity at all is all three of those.
See the issue?

Your personal feelings are not the standard.

>>59002797
>CP was legal until 2014
No it wasn't. It was illegal long before the law that you're referencing.
Source: I'm Japanese
>>59003152
loli "hentai" is legal in the US.

>>59003049
>Where are the pro-pedophile groups at Comiket?
Obviously there aren't any because they're already fine with it. Stop thinking in amerimutt terms where there's a pride flag/parade for everything and everyone needs to virtue signal about everything.

>>59003511
okay explain >>59003494 for us then, since you're a native.

>>59003511
>Source: I'm Japanese
Nigel stop

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Pokémon?

>>59003499
>>59003500
But is that not the standard of the test we're discussing? What's even the point of it existing and being worded in such a way if subjective feelings, *anybody's* subjective feelings, don't matter in the ruling?

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>>59003523
>What's even the point of it existing
Good question!

>>59003522
>japanese society needs loli porn or else the otakus will start assaulting real little girls, pretty gud system, eh?
God I hate the japanese and their "humor"

>>59003527
How the fuck did it even become a standard in the first place if it's so useless?

>>59003516
Written by burgerfucks with an extremely broad definition of "child porn". The journalist behind that article would likely call >>59003499 "child porn" too.

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Bless Go Nagai

Some of the posts here, I bet they don't even know where the uuuuoooh meme comes from

>>59003537
If your coworkers, family members, a random passerby on the street saw it, they'd think it's child porn. Your opinion doesn't survive contact with reality.

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>>59003534
That's what happens when our God-given constitutional right to free expression runs into the degenerate tyranny of the Anglo morality police. Arbitrary lawless fascist bullshit.

>>59003552
So "child porn" is legal here too then. Good to know.

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>>59003552
Thankfully I live in a free country where the kind of cartoon porn I look at is none of those people's fucking business, you stupid fascist cunt

>>59003522
Notice how even the defenders of lolicon in Japan say there is a direct link between lolicon and pedophilia, rather than treating them as completely unrelated concepts like western lolicons have gaslit themselves into believing because they're so afraid of being called pedos.
Notice how the most ardent lolicons in Japan are fine with sexual attraction of children (pedophilia) because they can distinguish it from sexual abuse of children (rape).
This is the only difference japanese lolicons care about.
This is what the "erm lolicons can distinguish 2d from 3d" western lolicons fail (or rather, are afraid) to understand.

>>59003552
a cartoon?

>>59003544
Pioneer of ecchi

>>59003529
That's not humor, that's what they actually believe. As silly as it looks, that's a serious manga from the author of Berserk defending lolicon and pedophilia, which he considers one and the same (because if it wasn't, then lolis would have done nothing to stop pedos they way he claims it would).

>>59003558
it effectively is because the elites play into it, country run by pedophiles. People are too languished when it comes to political action and only attack pedophiles when in their community/proximity.

>>59003529
Miura's last piece of published art was shota penis, you will respect him
Also showed that you can be into cute girls and lolis and still draw cool guys and swords

>>59003567
They still know you should fuck actual kids. That's his point there and one some people here should remember

>>59003621
???

>>59003621
Based and true

>>59003621
I MEANT SHOULD NOT SHOULD NOT SHOULD NOT I DID NOT REREAD MY POST

>>59003621 (Me)
I meant what I said, disregard >>59003645

All me shitposting
>>59003621
>>59003629
>>59003641
>>59003645
>>59003648

>>59003523
it's not ANYbodys subjective feelings. it's EVERYbody's subjective feelings.

Criminal convictions by jury in the US have to be UNANIMOUS and BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

Every member of the jury, after both sides have done jury selection, would have to feel deep to their bones that it is erotic in nature (sure), is entirely and can only be interpreted as fundamentally offensive, and that it can have absolutely no value at all outside of that exclusively offensive eroticism.

You really think a jury in 2026 won't have even one anime watcher on it? Everybody means EVERYbody, not just people who feel the same as some anon on the internet.

And that's not even accounting for the fact that apparently like 1 in 10 adult guys are biologically measurably attracted to women under 16.

There IS stuff where your lawyer would be very hard pressed to find any sympathetic souls at all that don't find it solely offensive. Memory serves, a lot of what Handley had was hardcore loli Bestiality and Guro specifically, which is why his lawyer pressured him on the plea deal. That and his jury of peers was 2003 South Iowa, he was probably the only weeaboo for miles, hell probably the only atheist for miles. The gamble wasn't worth the risk of ending up on the sex offender registry over comics.

But the fact that /b/ has frequent threads and there were mainstream memes about lewding Kanna Kamui is also proof that it's not patently offensive beyond all doubt to EVERYone. It's not a gamble in current year provided you don't like try to self-represent or something. There's a reason Handley is the ONLY such conviction.

>>59003494
>no argument
>no proof
>just pull shit out of my gaping asshole and insult anyone who dares question it

>>59003621
quite the freudian slip.
What did I tell you.
>>59003386
>>59003386
>>59003386

I remember anons talking about bringing their kids to tcg events, saying how much they bond with their kids through pokemon. I guess they probably leave sooner or later having to share a space with obnoxious spamming paedos. I swear there was a time when 10% of the community wasn't just child porn or animal porn.

>>59003656
You're trying too hard, just kill yourself already

>>59003621
>>59003645
His point is there's nothing wrong with pedophilia because being sexually attracted to kids does not harm actual kids, only fucking kids is wrong because that involves harming actual kids, so loli hentai is a good thing because it allows pedophiles to act on their sexuality harmlessly.
Japs understand pedophilia is not child abuse, Westoids don't want to.

>>59003693
Pedophilia is a paraphilia, outside of one's control sure, but there's the assumption that sexual attraction is usually acted upon, very rarely inhibited eg. coupling, sex, historic failures with homosexual repression (asexuality excluded). It's important that they have coping mechanisms to substitute the desire to act out pedophilia, that's why pedophiles should seek professional help in private so they can live adjusted lives.

>>59003665
At this point why even bother replying? We both know this came to you in a dream and a good faith argument is something completely alien to your monkey brain.

>>59003723
>pedophiles should seek professional help in private
or they can be openly pedophilic on /vp/ since they won't be going outside near children anyway

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>>59002373
>2d cunny
>Pild Chorn
And this is exactly why the world is ruled by a baker's dozen of rich paedophilic jewish cannibals from the back seat.

>>59002380
Please don't kid yourself that anybody actually cares about semantics regerding such ragebait topics, you are most likely responding to some zoomer raised by Reddit and Tumblr, they don't care about actual IRL victims of child predators and are only pretending to be concerned for easy virtue signaling upboats from their fellow social media buddies.

>>59002797
>CP was legal
The smelliest, most desaturized mellaninated hands you could possibly imagine wrote this

>>59003726
>>59003827
>mindbroken this hard over common knowledge

>>59003328
>Miller Test
I don't care about any legal documents made by or even just named after some Jew.

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Do you niggers genuinely believe any of your bullshit? By that logic, I'm a murderer for watching crime movies.