What could have been....
>boring, unviable dogshitgood thing we didn't get that
>>59007138oops, meant to post this
PT is incredible as is though. Probably the best representation of a game's mechanics put in Smash.>>59007144Greninja is both really cool and perfectly viable in serious play.t. 1600 hours in ult
>>59007125>ivysaur
>>59007144is cool, viable, very technical and highly clippable, gave us a much needed new ninja character instead of just being three heaviesayup that there's a good character, just a shame sheik was that dummy strong at the start of 4
>>59007170But that's what we got. It's Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard in the actual game.
>>59007150in an ideal world the pokemon trainer and the pokeball item would be the extent of pokemon's presence in smash
>>59007185not even Pikachu?
ivysaur leak from SSB ultimate deluxe
>>59007185>smash fans when a nintendo game has popular nintendo characters in it
>>59007125Why Blastoise instead of Squirtle?
>>59007675because this is a """stealth""" ivytranny thread
>>59007179You miss my point>says Charizard>shows Charizard>says Blastoise>shows Blastoise>says Ivysaur>shows VenusaurIf your logic was true, why doesn’t it say Squirtle?
>>59007718>says Ivysaur>shows VenusaurHow can you even tell?
>>59007150Even better in recent years
>>59007125pokemon trainer having three KANTOOOO pokemon was a stupid decision in the first place
>>59007185Pikachu, Mewtwo, Lucario, Pokemon Trainer, and whatever the current shill mon is would be the best playable characters in Smash, everything else could just be a pokeball monI do think there is room to make more gimmicky player characters, like PLA's protagonist could be made a much more unique character compared to PT, since you can take into account you can get involved with battling and using Pokemon as more of an assist, if they wanted to go the route, they could have the Pokopia Ditto who can use a mix of different moves from different Pokemon, I've thought about a Pokemon Ranger as well, but I can't realistically see their gameplay translating into Smash besides as an assist trophyPokemon is one of Nintendo's biggest series, alongside Mario and Zelda, so if you don't think it deserves a good amount of playable characters, you're retarded, but Jigglypuff, Pichu, and any flavor of the month solo starter didn't need to be there, I do agree
>>59008279nigga
>>59007185>>59007226In an ideal world this would still be a game about Nintendo characters only.
>>59007185No, pikachu must always be in as well as mewtwo and jigglypuff due to the weight of their generation. Outside of that 1 playable mon from each gen and 1 stage set in each region with plenty of poke cameos that way you can have less pokemon in the pokeballs.Stage ideas:>national park in johto>hoenn skies- rayquaza does battle with deoxys in background as mega latios flies you around iconic places like space port, volcano, frontier, skypillar.plenty of flying pokemon hazards>spear pillar gen4 or regigigas temple>black city as ghetsis is attacking w/ kyurem in background > the paris level from gen 6 or w.e kalos is gay afBeyond that i have no idea as gen 7 and on are gay and not very kino. Coukd pribably do like the safari area from sun and moon and have you trip balls through an ultra beast wormhole with ultra beast cameos.But alas sakurai is a huge faggot and we will get same shit levels from last 30 years. Fuck you, you'll buy it anyway.
>>59007125the current pokemon roster in smash is abysmal, kino roster would have been something like:pikachumachamp or meowthmewtwopokemon trainer redgardevoir or hoenn trainer (mudkip/grovyle/blaziken)lucariogreninjamimikyu or alola trainer (popplio/torracat/decidueye)fuck pichu, jiggly and incineshit
>>59007144This things head bothers me, it's just made of cone shapes and triangles stacked together like some kind of lego model. Am I missing what the fisher price looking horns are supposed to represent?
>>59008949>due to the weight of their generationBased, that's what matters the most easily
What could've been
Pokopia ditto is 100% going to be in the next Smash game.
>>59008279Retardo
>>59008961Mine would be>pikachu>pt>gardevoir>lucario>greninja>lycanroc (day)
>>59008961I'll make one here:PikachuMachampMewtwoRhyperiorGreninjaMimikyuPokémon Trainer (Johto, Hoenn or Unova)
>>59008961Mine:>Pikachu>Tyranitar>Sceptile>Lopunny>Zoroark>Greninja>Tsareena>Cinderace>Tinkaton>Gecqua final evo
>>59008961If every gen had reps:>PIkachu>Mewtwo>Pichu>Suicune>Blaziken>Deoxys>Lucario>Shaymin>Zoroark>Genesect>Delphox>Diancie>Incineroar>Zeraora>Scorbunny>Zarude>Iron Valliant>Ogrepon
>>59008961No, its perfect. Its just Incineroar is a little unnescesary
>>59009663Would be nice, but at least replace one of the existing 'mons
>>59007125what's that supposed to be
>>59010461I guess cluttering the roster that way really would represent pokemon the mostbloated and getting even more unwanted the further you go down the list
>>59012088Butthurt that Pokemon reps aren't the same thing over and over despite having issues with FE being that.
>>59008961Here's my take>Pikachu>Mewtwo>Pokemon Trainer>Lugia (with Shadow Lugia as an alt)>Gardevoir>Lucario>Zoroark>Greninja>Decidueye>Toxtricity >MeowscaradaBonus>Custom TrainerPlayers are able to make their own pokemon trainer teams by selecting 2-3 playable pokemon. However the selected pokemon lose their Down Special move and the team will also take increased damage from attacks.
>>59008949Now that's based
>>59009663can't stand the way that one looks but it's still better than the cereal mascot
>>59010736Not just a little
>>59008961>pokemon trainer redhe's already in you retard.
>>59015923you want him in you?
>>59007188>>59008819pokemon trainer is the best rep because it reflects mainline pokemon's gameplay and how it's different from the franchises in smash. you don't play as the pokemon in pokemon, you play as a trainer with a team of pokemon. so the character you represent that with is a trainer with a team of pokemon.but individual pokemon as characters has been a thing since the very first smash game, so there's not much that can be done about that. and besides, i don't even play smash.
>>59008961>Charizard (Mega Evolution choose between X or Y)>Umbreon/Espeon (Switch Mechanic)>Sceptile (Mega Evolution)>Zoroark>Greninja (Mega Evolution)>Decidueye>Cinderace (Libero Mechanic)>Tinkaton or Armarouge/Ceruledge (Switch Mechanic)
>>59016727forgot of course Lucario (Mega Evolution choose between regular or Z) guess that speaks how much I think he'll never get cut like Pikachu lol
I see my superiority has led to some controversy. For real though, Incineroar's one of the most fun grappler chars out there and it's because Sakurai has an almost fanatical level of love for Pro Wrestling.
>>59016688A bloated roster is just really annoying. Same reason Pokemon didn't need to add a hundred 'mons with each generation
>>59007150Oh come on, even the VERY BEST Grenigga players always drop their comboed I swear I've watched his best players since Wii U. Still the same shit in ult he's literally a discount Sheik. Not that I want it to be this but that's just how it is
>>59009994>lycanroc (day)that's kinda random
>>59010736far from perfect, jiggs, pichu and incin are shit stains
>>59010736>unncescesaryinineroar is one of the most fun chars to play which is the most important quality which makes him 95% better then any other suggestion
>>59019098I feel like this is exactly why Smash character theorizing became so bad. It became less "I want this character because they can offer something fun to play with/against" and more "I want this character because I want them to be more relevant." It sees the game more as marketing than something to play with.
>>59007125how's that supposed to work?
>>59009663Guess it's better than what we have now
>>59010010>>59010421>>59010461goddamn it's getting more and more bloated
>>59008862VGH what could've been
>>59019477yeah smash content creators seem to forget that the moveset is the most important part of an addition and why their added in the first place, incineraor is super unique doesnt play like anyone else
>>59023233Content creators only care about getting views, thus they'll side with whatever is currently popular. Which is why they'll constantly try to "predict" the next Smash with same list of people's most wanted characters. Same with most pokemon content creators, no one will say that Pombon will evolve into a human shaped fighter if they want to pay their bills.
>>59017025travis touchdown would have been a better grappler
>>59023633and less hated
>>59023633and more based
>>59023633Or Pushmo
>>59019477>>59023233I'm not saying this as an argument against Incineroar or anything, but I don't think "unique" is necessarily a good thing to base a character on. Plant is "unique", Min-Min's "unique", Olimar is "unique" - but none of them are all that fun to play as or against and often times the most fun characters are the ones with the simplest down-to-earth kits.
>>59020028Terribly.
>>59018631I'm speaking more in the context of when Ult was new.>Rockruff line had a decent marketing push in gen 7>would stand out more for being quadrupedal compared to most of the bipedal roster>wouldn't be yet another starter
>>59018631anon I implore you to read through the lycanroc smashboards forum it is one of the funniest most deluded fucking things everdayfags are absolute creatures
>>59024517Happily
>>59024468funny how this also applies to pokemonalmost like it's a universal truth
>>59019477Does it actually make them more popular? Looks more like they're already popular and that's why they made it in
>>59026764Back in the day when the roster was smaller it helped more obscure franchises become more recognizable. But with our current bloated roster some characters would be lucky to be even remembered outside of Smash.
Blastoise is playable if you know what you are doing .
>>59026820How would you know what you're doing without playing it?
>>59026816still not as bad as having almost a thousand unwanted 'mons at least
>>59024468You're arguing in favor of Incineroar then. At his core, he's more of a showman grappler than a Pokemon rep [hell he doesn't even use fire moves outside of effects] a la King from Tekken but it's the execution where he shines. Motherfucker even has the warning tells in his animations before dropping someone, that's committing to the bit.
>>59026764Earthbound, Starfox, F-Zero, Fire Emblem and so many others are only recognized because they were in Smash.
>>59025948Pokemon's far more bloated than Smash
>>59028775and far more fucked up
>>59007125>Blastoisethe fuck
>>59028017Looks more like FE was kept alive by coomers more than Smash
If only...
>>59008860What, they look exactly the same
Not only
>>59024465yeah!
>>59007125>all these slow fats just because KANTOOOOOOOOsomebody get this absolute unc out of here and back to the retirement home.anyway it should have been the Hoenn starters>sceptile is light and quick, can combo all day but does little knockback>blaziken is medium weight, can jump high and has powerful kicks>swampert is slow but he's heavy and hits hard all-around
>>59019052Based
>smash has too many pokemonactually I think it should have more
>>59023233>>59023376huh, so all that shit is from youtube or worse
>>59033725Some of it. Delzethin's probably the most known example since he was the biggest stan for Dusk Lycanroc's inclusion. And he proceeded to crash the fuck out when Incineroar's trailer and Sakurai's interview on why he chose the tiger dropped.
>>59024465nice
>>59008862They're sad about not buying out some of those before
>>59007125Just do trainers of different regions. Having the pokemon tied to the central swapping mechanic lets you have more bizarre and otherwise strange smash characters, because they act as a collective.
>>59034827Might even work as alternate skins
>>59034827No faggot we have enough pokemon already, we are not adding 3 irelevant faggots from regions no one cares
>>59007125>Twirls my hair>Sighs dreamily>Kicks my feetWhat if things were fucking boring instead...?
>>59035572Based as fuck
>>59008819The only reason why Jigglypuff and Pichu and the multiple variations of Link are still there is just because they were in the older games and there's no issues porting them to the latest one.
>>59033050i mean you can make argument that it should since pokemon is the largest grossing franchise
>>59033050Pokemon should just make their own Smash clone by recycling the models that are already in the game.
>>59036338I suppose the spinoffs are always better than the new mainline slop anyway
>>59036338I guess it's different enough from other fighting games now
>>59036338and it'll end up being a slideshow
