>>59009730
Can't wait for the shitstorm from zoomers getting their opinions from Poketubers if this game gets ported to Switch or Switch 2.

>>59009740
>ds game with heavy touchscreen use and a peripheral
if it does they'll have to sell you some kind of switch 2 attachment, which would be gay as fuck

>>59009730
>zoomies
you mean gen alpha right?

>>59009765
bit of column a, bit of column b

>>59009730
>Quit pokemon after D/P and missed out on gen 2 remakes and gen 5 kino
>Came back for ultra s/m slop
fucked up

>>59009749
>Heavy touchscreen use
What, just because of the Pokeathlon? That's pretty much the only thing I remember ever needing the touchscreen for when playing HGSS

>>59009775
well, yeah, but that would be a pretty huge part of the game to just leave out

>>59009770
Statistically not uncommon though.
Sales numbers imply a lot of people skipped gen 5.

>>59009730
>can't use GB Sounds until you beat the entire fucking game
Great games but they were assholes for doing that

inb4 that 40yo johto unc who says hgss sucked

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>>59009783
Yup, for good reason.

>>59009788
idk i thought it was kinda neat unlocking the entire gsc soundtrack plus a few more original arrangements in postgame
it's one of those little things that they didn't have to include at all, especially considering they had to recreate the entire gsc soundtrack from scratch for the ds just to include that
i get where you're coming from though

>>59009783
Which makes you wonder why
It's not like the main complaint, it only having gen 5 mons available at first was widely known before release
and the DS itself is one of the best sold consoles ever

>>59009799
Glad someone's finally talking about how awful the Unova exp curve is
The Johto exp curve complaints are mostly a meme, you're overleveled for like 2 gyms but that's really it, beyond that it's a nonissue
Meanwhile you're usually overleveled through all of Unova, yet you still manage to have unevolved shitters at the end of the game
It's like the one thing that stops me from replaying BW. It's a bit better in the sequels at least

>>59009749
Touchscreen can always be replaced with motion controls

>>59009799
>>59009809
hi kojo

>>59009814
Can't say I know who that is
I don't hate the Unova games for what it's worth, I think they're okay. This is a serious issue with them though
>t. >>59009809

>>59009730
>>kicked so much ass an entire board had to be created to contain the hype
wasn't this board created for BW?

>>59009926
it was made after HGSS to stop /v/ from getting overwhelmed with threads
BW came shortly after though, so it served both purposes

>>59009827
Kojo is Yawnfag's twitter account. Found it a few days ago by complete accident.

>>59010233
>constantly brings up his eceleb in every thread
>found it on accident
kek

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>>59010405
Yeah, I found it by accident, because you posted a /vp/ bait image in a reply to Pokopia being the highest rated Pokemon game on Metacritic, so I did some research. Nearly every one of Yawnfag's bait images lines up with this twitter account.
In addition, one of the comments on his deviantart page says he posts on /vp/.
At this point it you'd have to be retarded to not realize that Kojo and Yawnfag are one and the same.

>>59009730
zoomers were around 10 years old when this game came out

>>59010422
>you
Not being able to tell people apart is really autistic.

>>59009730
>makes zoomies seethe
you niggers really need to figure your generations out, i was 9 when this came out and it was probably the most hyped I've ever been for a video game release ever

>>59010422
I need to get that one, I never saved it
It's one of the best infographics to btfo of unova and borts

>>59010430
>>59009769

>>59009730
i like silver better than soul silver

>>59010605
why might that be?

>>59010623
artstyle, purple night filter, no pokemon follow you
if gsc had nice background art for battles it would be perfect

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>>59010630
this

>>59010634
that new design is so bad how did they get away with it?

>>59010430
This. Gen 4 is THE zoomer gen.

>>59010644
that's Gen 5

>>59009740
>ported
It's going to get a BDSP style remake after WW releases. DS games will never work intuitively on a Switch like they did on the Wii U.

>>59009783
Shit Pokemon designs, shit region, and shit visuals that legitimately made me feel ill. I dropped Gen V after the second gym and never picked up another Pokemon game again until FR/LG re-released on the Switch. Series died with Gen IV as far as I'm concerned.

>>59010634
holyshit that's bad

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>>59010634
Ignoring the clothes, why did they give him crow's feet? It makes him look like an old man. At least on the tiny DS screen the strange flat clothing isn't really noticeable.

>>59009730
None of the Johto games are good at all, HGSS are slow, unchallenging, and boring as fuck

>>59010693
>slow
This. Playing FireRed made me want to go retry SoulSilver after and holy shit, everything moves like it's pushing through molasses. The character movement, the animations of things like doors, the fucking health bars taking an eternity to go down. It's ridiculous that the DS games were ever highly regarded being such a downgrade from Gen III.
>b-but it's got a day/night cycle
Even this is a pain in the ass because you have to play at certain times of day or days of the week to do stuff, instead of just having it available whenever.

>>59010634
delete this

>>59010630
you are entitled to your own opinion

>>59010630
>no pokemon follow you
Holy shit I wish this was an option in HG/SS. I hate walking Pokemon so much it's unreal. Why did they think anybody wanted this shit?

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>>59010732
Idk but it always looks horrible.

>>59009730
I replayed it recently and it was ok

>>59010732
>Why did they think anybody wanted this shit?
because we did

>>59010652
Gen 3 - 5 are zoomer gens. Though the normie zoomers gave up on Pokemon with gen 5 generally speaking.

>>59010630
the music is better too

>>59010761
Gen 3 was kind of boring but at least it still felt like pokemon.
4+is absolute dogshit

>>59010764
Yeah, the remixes in HG/SS suck. Everything sounds like a march. GB Sounds should've been an option from the very beginning instead of being an end-game reward (and even GB sounds don't sound right).
They also took away the day/night differences that DPPt had.
The remixes of the Johto tracks made for FR/LG in the Sevii Islands are much better.

>>59010767
gen 3 is closer to gens 4+ than it is to 1-2

>>59010767
>4+is absolute dogshit
Nah, 4 sucked. 5 was absolute kino. 6+ suck ass again.
5 >>>>>>> 3 > 1 > 2 >>>>>>>> 4 > the rest

>>59009799
>Comparing HGSS, the remake that also adds in content from Crystal and Platinum to BW1
Huh?

>>59010784
What don't you like about 4 that you felt 5 did better?

>>59010767
3 > 5 > 4 > Power Gap > 1 = 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Rest

>>59010791
I don’t care for 5 but 4 feels like a slog to play through. Maybe I’ve grown more autistic in my old age but I can’t replay them without emulators anymore. I don’t have this issue with playing gens 1-3 on original hardware.

>>59010773
every case where it sounds like a marching band is a case where that was clearly what they were going for from the start in gsc lmao
>>59010784
you are underage

>>59009812
Considering you can use joycons as a mouse in switch 2, that wouldn't be a bad solution.

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>>59010767
gen 2 is literally the most boring in the series, nothing says fun like a bunch of underleveled kanto shitmons in the tiniest most region that can be summed up as: grassy plains

>>59010828
>that wouldn't be a bad solution.
It would be terrible. A mouse is not like a touch screen. I know emufags have been dealing with using a mouse on a "touch screen" for 20 years now, but Nintendo wouldn't port something so shoddily. There's a reason none of the DS games available on the Wii U have been ported to the Switch.

>>59010422
>We now have confirmation on who yawntard is
Amazing work anon

>>59010831
>post game exclusives
>murkrow
>mismagius
>slugma
>larvitar
guy who made this image didn't play hgss

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>>59010667
BW was the first Pokemon game I dropped and had to force myself to finish

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>>59010693
this

>>59010838
>It would be terrible
No it wouldn't, pokeathlon doesn't use any kind of complex movements so it would suffice.
I mean if they managed to make an actual complex game that heavily uses the touch screen like twewy work, HGSS is definitely doable.

>>59010693
>hgss is bad because it's unchallenging
>implying other pokemon games are challenging
kek, way to admit to being bad at the game

>>59010848
the only one of those anyone's going to bother to get is slugma, and it still requires looking up a code online lmfao. the safari zone is autistically obtuse and the evolution items are still postgame. hg/ss are just as shit

>[numbers numbers numbers] - words words.png
Yawnfag thread

>>59010761
>Gen III
late millennial gen
>Gen IV
late millennial gen + earliest zoomers
>Gen V
early zoomer gen successfully shilled to mid zoomers

>>59010864
i used misdreavus in my first playthrough, simply don't be retarded and you're set

>>59010422
>dude makes terrible spritework
>yet constantly complains about Gen 5's sprites
Dude is absolutely fucking delusional, but we probably knew that

>>59010868
new yawntard lore just dropped >>59010422
We now know what's yawntard's twitter kek

>>59010850
Gen 5 has so many ugly Pokemon that it's insane.

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>>59009740
>>59009730
>muh zoomers hate HGSS
90% of zoomers got into pokemon with gen 4

>>59010764
>>59010773
>Rival Battle
GSC > HGSS
>Gym Battle
HGSS > GSC
>Team Rocket Battle
HGSS > GSC
>Champion Battle
GSC = HGSS
>Kanto Gym Battle
GSC > HGSS

>>59010880
Gen 5 is a mixed-ass bag, half the dex is ugly as sin, the other half is actually really cool but evolves too late to be enjoyable to use

>>59010880
They wanted to try really hard to make sure none of the new Pokemon resembled old ones at all.

>>59010894
and yet somehow they still all feel like rehashes
for what it's worth there's a few i like more than their classic counterparts, gigalith for example

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>>59010831
>mfw someone mentions one of their reasons for disliking johto games is no maingame Houndoom

>>59009730
>fixes none of GS's problems, no Crystal content, ugly as fuck tile sets and shitty remake music
Most overrated game ever.

>>59010831
Why is this image so fucking pixelated when it was made in 2022 at the absolute earliest?
Also, whether purposeful or on accident the person who made this forgot Skarmory, a pokemon so hard to get in the Gen 2 games people think its an Emerald original.
>>59010848
>>59010875
Can you even evolve Misdrevous and Murkow before postgame in HGSS.

HGSS was dogshit. The only people who like it are zoomers who pretend to be oldfags that played the original games.
>BUT MUH FOLLOW POKEMON!

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>>59010880
during Gen IV after back to back homeruns with Hoenn and Sinnoh GF were feelin' themselves too much and decided they could release incomplete and simplistically drawn draft designs as final products and still be beloved

pure hubris

>>59010875
It's right. You can't get them prior you fucking liar.

>>59010920
I'm a millenial that played both and while I still think GSC was better (probably mostly out of nostalgia), I still feel that HGSS were far better than DPPt and all the gen III games.

>>59010934
Emerald and Platinum are both objectively better than HGSS.

>>59010908
>purchasable evolution stones thanks to the pokeathlon
>the majority of formerly postgame-only mons are available in the main story
>heracross over pineco in azalea town a la crystal, and you're no longer cucked out of getting it until after whitney if your id ends with a 7
>kanto restored to its former glory (this is like a really huge one people tend to deliberately ignore)
>eusine plotline, which is in fact crystal content
you didn't play the game
>>59010914
>moving the goalpost
also skarmory isn't hard to get even remotely, it's just silver exclusive. never understood the "skarmory is gen 3" meme
>>59010931
yes you can, cliff cave
you also didn't play the game

>>59010934
>I still feel that HGSS were far better than DPPt
Delusional.

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>>59010948
this

>>59009730
Sad how this is the only good mainline DS game

>>59010922
>decided they could release incomplete and simplistically drawn draft designs as final products and still be beloved
https://tcrf.net/Development:Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_and_White/Sprites/Pok%C3%A9mon_Sprites
The development process there looks pretty similar to DP's from my amateur perspective
https://tcrf.net/Development:Pok%C3%A9mon_Diamond_and_Pearl/Sprites
If you can point out any differences I'd love to see where you're getting that.

>>59010953
eusine is gay and has aids

>>59010953
>never understood the "skarmory is gen 3" meme
Because its rare, only in available at a 15% encounter rate on a single, late game route, no major NPCs have it during the main 1-8 gym campaign, while it features heavily in gen 3 in a commonly found route in BOTH ruby and sapphire, multiple random trainers have it and is both on the teams of Winnona and Champion Steven.

HGSS is boring. The beginning is a slog and all the team rocket sections are also a slog.

>>59010973
Do you want Crystal content or not?

>>59010973
>moving the goalpost
>>59010974
sure but no one says this about heracross even though it's also very hidden and not used by any major npcs

>>59010964
>didn't fix the level curve, rocket grunts still using kanto shitmons 20 levels under you at the 7th gym lmfao
>didn't fix the distribution, no shoving a bunch of shit into a retarded safari zone late in the game no one's gonna bother to learn how to use isn't good
>didn't fix the garbage gym/elite four/champ teams
>didn't fix the non-existent storyline
>johto is still small and bland with barely any content
>removed the ability to purchase coins from the game corner so all TMs are either locked behind KANTOOO or playing a shitty minigame for hours
>kanto is still an empty boss rush with every route filled with level 15 rattatas and pidgeys
>all the content you do have is locked behind the fucking day/night mechanic
This game is so fucking boring, it's unreal. The teambuilding is the worst in the series, the rematch system is retarded and obtuse so adding new team members takes forever, the region is boring as fuck and is essentially a flat grassy plain, nostalgia fags are something else if they’re upholding this dogshit because they can play awful stylus mini games lmao

>>59010908
>>59010920
>>59010931
>>59010948
>>59010956
>>59010978
uh oh samefag melty!!!

>>59009749
I kind of expect them to do this eventually. Nintendo's gotta be thinking about how to resell DS games now that zoomers are old enough to throw all their disposable income at it.

>>59010986
>>removed the ability to purchase coins from the game corner so all TMs are either locked behind KANTOOO or playing a shitty minigame for hours
Play the Japanese version

>>59010986
I hope in Blazing Gold and Shining Silver they fix everything wrong with GSC for good, just like Blazing Diamond and Shining Pearl fixed the few things wrong with DPPt.

>>59009730
>>makes shills and zoomies seethe with its inherent superiority
being proven in this very thread kek

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>>59010996
>I kind of expect them to do this eventually
The Switch 2 is already known to have the capability to support dual screens as seen in Banaza where it can stream player 2 to a Switch 1 so they're definitely gearing up to do a DS add-on. $199.99

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>>59010980
Because heracross isn't THAT uncommon in Gen 2, you just need to know where to look, and in Hoenn you can only get it in the safari zone where it has the same encounter rate as Skarmory did back in GSC.

johturd is the worst region and shartgold soullessshitter just compound this objective fact by wrapping it in the slowest engine

>>59010986
>b-but it’s EASY! (please ignore how all pokemon games before gen 7 are easy)
>b-but the STORY is bad! (please ignore how all pokemon games before gen 7 have terrible stories)
>b-but KANTO exists in the game! (I’m a zoomer who’s jealous of Kanto)
Starting to notice a pattern between the complaints of HGSS and the complaints of XY…I wonder who could be behind these posts…

>>59011048
>before gen 7
What happened in gen 7? I gave up after gen 4, but my impression has always been that the games have only gotten easier and worse.

>>59010986
>>59010986
the 7th gym is really the only point in the game where the level curve is genuinely fucky
5 gyms isn't late in the game, and misdreavus, murkrow, and larvitar are there from the get go, im sorry that you're too retarded to figure out how the safari zone works kek. plus there was nothing wrong with the distribution to begin with, you just have to actually play the game to find new team members
the gym leaders sure, not much of an issue to begin with if you ask me but whatever ill give you that one. elite four and champion have solid enough teams though idk what you're on about
every time pokemon has tried to have a story beyond "become the champion and stop team rocket" it's fallen flat on its face and been more intrusive than anything, it's a good thing they didn't """fix""" this
johto has a shitton of content, you just didn't play any of it
the game corner complaint is legit, this is a genuine issue with the game that i actually 100% agree is fucked up. this is, however, only an issue with the english release, for whatever that's worth
>kanto has the same pokemon it always has
right...and what's bad about that?
there's plenty of content that's not time-based, but the time-based content is kino and soulful and pokemon needs more of it
anyway to top all of this off
>le grassy plain comment
thanks for confirming your samefaggotry
>>59010831
KEK

>>59011023
i mean fair enough i guess

>>59011069
There is an occasional hard battle in usum, but they're so rare it feels like its on accident more than on purpose.

>>59011069
Gen 7 started giving NPC trainers EV spreads and start putting actual effort into the boss battles by giving them incredibly good movesets, extra stat boosts, allies that provide extra buffs and gang up on you, etc

>>59011069
NTA but Gen 7 is where they started allocating proper IVs/EVs to important teams and started implementing actual boss fights such as totems
it's not exactly "hard" but, like, it's the bare minimum which is more than the early gens

>>59011048
>gens 7+ had a good story and weren't piss easy
You're so stupid.

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>>59011090
Correct, on both counts.

>>59011085
>>59011089
yeah some of the totem fights in usum were surprisingly well thought out to the point where they were almost challenging. i can see how a younger/newer player could really struggle with them
still nothing like, HARD hard, but it wasn't completely piss easy like the rest of the series
shame the game itself is like 70% cutscene thus rendering it pretty much impossible to enjoy on repeat playthroughs, it was ALMOST awesome

>>59011102
>youtube comments
You're also a faggot on top of being a retard.

>>59009730
>invents an entire scenario in their head rather than pokemon being so large that is would overwhelm other boards with over 100 threads
ok """buddy"""

>>59011048
>Starting to notice a pattern between the complaints of HGSS and the complaints of XY…I wonder who could be behind these posts…
people that dont like bad games kek.

>>59011124
admission of newfaggotry

>>59011085
>>59011089
>muh IVs and EVs started here
and yet nothing came from that and the games are piss easy 2 gens later, so no, they were not difficult.

>>59011127
Every pokemon game is basically the same.

>>59011132
>2 gens later
Glad you're admitting gen 7 was challenging.

>>59011132
none of the games are difficult man and certainly not the freebie badge boosted gens
it's pokeymans

>>59011048
>>(please ignore how all pokemon games before gen 7 have terrible stories)
Me when I lie

>>59011132
ehhh I think SV was still more challenging than any of the first 6 gens

being able to fight gym leaders and evil team bosses early helps

>>59011155
where did he lie

>can't explain how the story is good
Every time.

>>59011160
Emerald, Platinum and b1w1/b2w2 have good stories.
>b-but the Munna!
Doesn't matter.

>>59011170
>literally states why bw has a shit story
>nuh uhs it without a counterargument
lmao ok

>>59011170
The Munna was kino. It was foreshadowing for Neo Plasma in BW2.

>>59011170
>Emerald, Platinum and b1w1/b2w2 have good stories.
Overbaited

>>59011170
>the exact games I happen to like have good stories!
Uh huh. Sure, sagie.

>>59011186
I fucking hate Gen V, but you have to admit the stories are the best work Game Freak has ever done.

>>59011189
>gen 1's story is better
>gen 7's story is better
>gen 9's story is better
nah

>>59011069
gen 6 onwards are even easier due to the busted exp all

>>59011186
Hi Kojo

>>59011192
sybau Kojo

>>59011193
you being retarded and training 6 pokemon evenly in older gens != the exp share making the games easier

>>59011189
Why are your standards so low? It's as shit as every other story they've ever done.

>>59011201
>playing the game in a way that's significantly more fun is retarded
classic /vp/

>>59011172
Ghetsis being insincere was obvious from the start, they all use pokemon to battle you anyway so at best they're hypocrits, its leads that not everyone in Team Plasma was a hippydippy retard who genuienly wanted to free the pokemon like N.
>>59011176
Real as fuck. The Neo Plasma reprisal was peak, with the true believers following the Saints and N trying to make amends for their past misdeeds, while the cynics stick around and get increasingly violent and criminal.
>>59011186
A). What's a 'sagie' and why do you keep calling people that?
B). I thought Violet was fucking dogshit ass garbage but the Team Star storyline was rather cute, and I liked the 1-2 act of Kieran's spiral during the Indigo Disk was pretty good.

>>59011201
>can't beat the game just as easily with a balanced team of 6
>thinks other people are retarded
kwab

>>59011131
yawn find new material

>>59011206
>n-no you see it's actually fun to lead with the oddish and then waste a turn switching in charmeleon and then getting hit with a confuse ray on charmeleon and then wasting even more time watching charmeleon hit itself just so I can train oddish instead of just leading with charmeleon and 1HKOing the shitmon immediately

>>59011211
doesn't yawnie hate hgss

>>59011212
this but unironically

>>59011212
No wonder you struggle to use more than 1 if that's how you play.

>>59011212
Yes.

>>59011213
lmfao no >>59010964 >>59011048

>>59011228
pretty sure that's a falseflagging shartroon
in previous threads he's bitched about hgss

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>>59011218
Oh, that's not how I'm supposed to play? How do I train Clefairy then?

>>59011233
>walk through grass
>wild encounter
>use clefairy
It's not that hard, I can help you more if you want.

>>59011233
by battling wild pokemon and trainers in mt. moon and not waiting until a rival battle in the next town to try out your new catch

>>59011244
>n-no you see it's actually fun to get interrupted every 10 seconds with random encounters and then spend 5 turns clicking Pound with Clefairy instead of using repels or just 1HKOing the shitmon immediately with Charmeleon

>>59011251
>by battling wild pokemon and trainers in mt. moon
There were no more trainers in Mt. Moon.

>>59011257
>>n-no you see it's actually fun to get interrupted every 10 seconds with random encounters and then spend 5 turns clicking Pound with Clefairy instead of using repels or just 1HKOing the shitmon immediately with Charmeleon
this but unironically

>>59011257
It's not like anyone's making you use it, keep spamming your starter if that's what you like. It's just weird to think that other people struggled with using 6 because you have issues with it. You've also abandoned the entire argument by trying to conflate speed with difficulty.

Do you need help with anyone else?

>>59011267
>It's just weird to think that other people struggled with using 6
They clearly did, hence all the comments screeching about gen 6 being easy.

>Yawnfag incessantly replying to everyone but the guy who btfo him
Lol

There needs to be a sticky that reminds anons that Gen Z is 1997-2012. This is the board that makes the most mistakes with that.

>>59011209
"sagie" or sagefag is his personal boogeyman

>>59011201
I just played LG on switch and if you fight trainers (no wild grinding) you can easily raise a team of 6, I had a team in its 50s before the E4 and a bunch of mons in its 40s.
Gen 6 onwards you'll have a team in its 70s-80s vs a very weak E4 in its 60s.

>>59011368
>gen 6 onwards
>describes just gen 6
every time

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>Think about replaying HGSS
>Remember evolution stones are locked behind KANTOO
>Don't replay it

>>59011415
>>Think about replaying HGSS
>>Remember evolution stones are locked behind KANTOO
nigger just do the pokeathlon

>>59011383
The Elite 4 is probably the weakest part of Gen 6+ in basically every game. Gen 7 is only hard in the totem fights, SV is only hard in a good way if you happen to bumble into fights when they're reasonably stronger than you (which due to certain flag requirements the E4 cannot be), SS has no difficult or interesting fights even with the DLC, it's a reasonable take.

>>59011008
>$199.99
Easiest purchase of my life

>>59011424
>just do tedious RNG minigames instead of playing pokemon

>>59011415
They're not. What's dumber is that they didn't put a moss or ice stone anywhere for the Eeveelutions. Same with the magnetized zone for Nosepass and Magneton. Worse than being unable to get Umbreon or Espeon in FRLG due to the lack of a clock.

>>59011434
I got to SV's Paldea Elite 4 while severely under-leveled and the steel type one walled the fuck out of me.
>just do a little training and raise my team to 5 levels under her instead of 10
>curb stomp the fuck out of her, then BTFO geeta

>>59011434
you thought the unova E4 who only use 4 pokemon each were challenging? Really, retard-kun?

>>59011257
>There were no more trainers in Mt. Moon.
Unless you backtracked specifically to the first floor after beating every single trainer in Mt. Moon, you'd have at least 3 trainers you could fight based on how low level that Clefairy is. Is that enough levels to get it up to par? Maybe not, but neither would EXP Share even though is supposedly lets you use Pokemon more. So without EXP Share you could use Clefairy in 3 battles, but with it you have no real reason to use it in any.

>>59011442
Just have another gen 4 game bro just have another console bro just have a friend that will make the effort of evolving it for you bro

>>59011424
>>59011442
There's still stones you can't get until Post-League, which namely locks off Togekiss, Honchkrow and Mismagius. All of which are pretty egregious considering their prior forms are total shitmons in HGSS.

>>59009740
My bet is we get an ILCA remake of HGSS. It’s the same engine as DPPt, so it would be really easy to reuse the BDSP engine. I’d be surprised if that isn’t what ILCA has been working on the last couple years. BDSP sucked, but a huge part of that was because DP sucked already and they changed almost nothing. Since HGSS was great, a remake of HGSS should be great (though the 3D Chibi art style and the pitifully implemented following mons leave a lot to be desired).

>>59011442
>They're not
They are. Unless you wanna wait on RNG phone calls

>>59011452
NTA, but he didn't say that.
He said they're the weakest part of Gen 6+. Which is true, because the earlier gens have weaker parts than their mediocre E4. Frankly I can't name a single e4 lineup that doesn't suck fucking ass.

>>59011383
On SS and SV I was nearing the 90s at the end of the game. I decidedly dropped my party in SV to play the DLC otherwise my all lv 100 party would one tap everything.

>>59011455
>3 trainers would be enough for your lv8 clefairy to fight the lv17 pidgeotto trust me!!

>>59011473
Yeah, in gen 5 my entire team was lv100 by the E4. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>59011465
>BDSP sucked, but a huge part of that was because DP sucked already
HGSS made like BDSP would be shit too. If DP sucks because of its shitty dex and engine, then BDSP are better games than HGSS because its not slow as fuck and the undergrounds grants better Pokemon than HGSS lol

>>59009770
This is common. DP was so bad that a huge chunk of the fandom dipped out. If they ever returned, it was usually either for XY (which sometimes prompted leaving again) or Gen 8-9.

>>59011484
By only fighting the trainers? How did you manage that considering the exp formula punishes grinding in gen V

>>59011474
he didn't say that

>>59011493
HGSS >>>> DP
therefore,
HGSS Remake >>>> BDSP

>>59011452
In comparison, yes. The Unova E4 happens to use a lot of good Pokemon and due to EXP scaling you're going to be a much closer level to them unless you do some grinding or make excessive use of the Lucky Egg, plus there are two other fights instead of the Champion afterwards. Compare that to the worst example of Gen 6 and you're going to end up overleveled basically no matter what choice you make. Gen 7 is arguably the closest in difficulty and the power creep of the last two generations unfortunately gives the player too many tools but if you restrict yourself a lot it's probably roughly the same but neither Kuki nor Hop are particularly strong final bosses compared to Ghetsis. Gen 5 and 7 are probably the most equivalent in a lot of other ways, given they both have rematches in the first version which is fairly unusual and that's a genuine strong point of both compared to Gen 6's rematches being arguably worse than the already bad normal fights.

>>59011505
BDSP >>>> HGSS

>>59009730
Never understood the hype. Literally the only argument I see to defend hgss is MUH SOUL which is a meaningless buzzword

>>59011505
>>59011465
why are diamond and pearl bad ?

>>59011474
Yes, glad we agree that EXP Share wouldn't help you use Clefairy in the rival battle. Guess no EXP Share wins because you can use it in at least three other battles unless you like wasting time backtracking after you beat every trainer on the last floor, which given >>59011257 you really dislike doing.

>>59011473
By only fighting the trainers? How did you manage that considering the exp formula punishes grinding in gen VIII and IX

>>59011530
MUH SLOW AND MUH NO FIRE POKEMON
>pls ignore that HGSS also has this problem!!!!

I feel like your enjoyment of D/P was solely based on whether or not you had internet access at the time
Nowadays obviously they're unbearable to play solely because of the game's speed

>>59011484
If that were true, then why would high level evos be an issue?

>>59011534
>Yes,
Why do you have to lie just to make no exp share look good?

>>59011546
This. The GTS is cool, but 90% of the world didn't have internet in 2007, let alone Wi-Fi. Probably less than 2% of players got to experience it.

>>59011546
You can say the same thing for HGSS

>>59011543
pretty much

>>59011541
Not comparable since you get EXP from catching mons in the latest gens but other than catching everything in an area, in SS yes only battling trainers and catching, in SV since there are almost no trainers, I did finish the other storylines as well (the herba mystica giant mons and team star battles).
Now, would you answer the question on how you got a party of lv 100 mons on gen V?

>>59011561
>Not comparable since you get EXP from catching mons in the latest gens
You got that high by catching Pokemon? How did you manage that considering the exp formula punishes grinding in gen VIII and IX

>>59009730
>some random nuzlocke eceleb fag changed the opinion on this game
modern internet is so gay

>>59011550
I'm sorry, I assumed you were being ironic and didn't sincerely believe that there was enough EXP available to make the Clefairy hit the right level. My mistake, let me rephrase my statement.
No, it's mathmatically impossible for such a thing to happen, glad we agree that EXP Share wouldn't help you use Clefairy in the rival battle. Guess no EXP Share wins because you can use it in at least three other battles unless you like wasting time backtracking after you beat every trainer on the last floor, which given >>59011257 you really dislike doing.

>>59011565
HGSS were ALWAYS dogshit, they were just better than the last 3 games so they got put on a pedestal.

>>59009730
>has heart and SOVL right in the title
Yup yup.

>>59011565
i thought heart gold was obscenely boring gay dogshit since 2009 when i pirated a copy and kept running into level 5 pidgeys the entire game

>>59011546
I had internet but I found 0 joy in it because the GTS was niggers using cheated mons in combat or pages upon pages of cheated shiny legendaries looking for other legendaries that weren't even in the game
Finally having access to an event for the first time ever because of INTERNET was based though

>>59011568
>glad we agree that EXP Share wouldn't help you use Clefairy in the rival battle
No but it would help me in future battles by eventually making Clefairy useful. Without EXP Share it will always be deadweight.

>>59011562
Catching mons and fighting trainers, yes. Now what did you do to get lv 100 party in gen V before the E4?

>>59011588
>Now what did you do to get lv 100 party in gen V before the E4?
By fighting trainers and fighting mons.

>>59011577
>Finally having access to an event for the first time ever because of INTERNET
Diamond and Peal didn't have Internet events though. I still remember having to go to Toys R Us to get event mons.

>>59011591
So you were grinding on wild mons, gotcha. You don't get overleveled without genociding Audinos for hours and you know it, retard.

>>59011543
HGSS has plenty of fire Pokemon, the fuck are you on about?
>>59011562
Dude do you know just how many Pokemon are in the new games? There's hundreds of the fuckers. And the average EXP is getting functionally multiplied by six because unlike older Pokemon games or other JRPGs the experience is no longer divided and it's just straight up given to every Pokemon. Not to mention interacting with your Pokemon at all gives them bonus EXP multipliers which you can't turn off (or in BDSP's case it just fucking happens). This puts the game in a weird place where if you don't want to be overleveled you have to not interact with a ton of systems that fundamentally interact with Pokemon.

>>59011592
Shit you're right I guess I glitched my way to Shaymin

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>>59011569
>they were just better than the last 3 games
nope >>59010855
they were *assumed* to be as good as "the last 3 games" and reputationally lived off their good graces for years despite actual inferiority

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>>59011565
HGSS maintained their exalted status because the older fans played them as kids and were nostalgic while the younger fans hadn't played them at all. but then younger fans, like myself, started playing them and realized how overrated they were.

>>59011583
But you could use it just fine in three battles before the rival, and probably several after it. It sounds to me like you just don't want to use Pokemon.

>>59011588
So you were grinding on wild mons, gotcha. You don't get overleveled without catching Chanseys for hours and you know it, retard.

>>59011583
>No but it would help me in future battles by eventually making Clefairy useful.
just like switch training

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>>59011494
>*lies*

>>59011619
thanks for admitting defeat

>>59011615
It's amazing how dogshit the campaign is, and yet it's still better than XY. It manages one memorable boss fight, which is more than XY's zero. This isn't even getting into how much better the side content is compared to XY, which is where HGSS extremely shines.

>>59011624
I don't understand how the 3ds games sold as much as the ds ones when the 3ds sold about half as many consoles

>>59010908
Crystal content was trash besides getting Teddiursa early. HGSS are still slop though

>>59011619
I only catch each mon enough tomes to create a living dex later on, so at most I caught Chansey twice. Can you say that you only fought Audino twice to get a party of lv 100 pokémon?
Also I can play this way (catch all the mons in a route before advancing) before gen 8 and I don't get overleveled, what gives? Any reason why gen 8 and gen 9 are so easy?

>>59011630
>XY out of nowhere
rent free

>>59011637
>out of nowhere
Fuck off Kojo-yawnie

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>>59009730
>Trash level curve
>Easy as fuck even for pokemon standards
>Remove Crystal's dex improvements like early Phanpy and Teddiursa
>Cut 99% of Crystal content
>No room decorating.
>No Weekly Goldenrod Roof sales.
>No GS ball and Celebi event.
>No Wise Trio battle.
>No PCC
>No Egg Ticket.
>No Game Corner
>Kanto still empty
>A lot of unnecessary handhold tutorials added.
>Cringe fanfiction Giovanni subplot.
>Legendary Dogs are now easier to catch which takes away the fun and adventure in trying to get them.
>Bad graphics for gen 4 standards
>Every song remake sounds worse

Literally the anti sovl game. Crystal mogs it in every way shape and form

ITT: gen 7 zoomies seething at its superior

>>59011631
Attach rates are weird. Pokemon games are basically the only GBA games that sold at all for some reason, but despite the Switch selling gangbusters the Pokemon games only got a moderate boost compared to some of the absurd sales of other games (up to and including Wii U ports).

>>59011648
Ok boomer.

>>59011624
>There are more people into pokemon cards than into the games themselves
>Millions of Pokemon fans have only ever played Go

>>59011648
>No room decorating.
Couldn't believe they didn't keep this in. I really expected there would be some analog to the underground/secret bases and then there just wasn't, and we didn't even get dolls on a table.

>>59011637
GS and XY are actually shockingly similar in a lot of ways. They both were rushed out for marketing reasons, and both had huge map changes partway through development. However, the difference is their areas of focus. GS had no time to balance the campaign, so they made it super easy to not be DQ2, and instead focused on making it a living world which at the time was kind of groundbreaking (Animal Crossing was doing similar things on much better hardware art the time). On the other hand, XY focused on smoothing out the campaign to the exclusion of everything else, but the campaign isn't interesting enough to carry the game and the side content being lacking is a bit of a disappointment. I could say similar things about SM, but they dropped the ball on the micro of map design this time (on a macro level it's still 3/4 better than XY), but decided to not playtest some of the battle content into oblivion and instead save it for debugging and it's the best part of the game.

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>>59011616
Here's the story:

>johtoddlers establish the Church of Gen II when it was cg and spend years trying to gaslight the fandom into believing their games were peak, powerstruggling against and trying to dethrone the kantykes' similar efforts
>by HGSS their efforts were already effectively successful within the IPC with many saying GSC were the best games and essentially flawless
>HGSS is framed as GSC but better in every way
>non-hardcore boomer toddies proceed to push this as the greatest Pokemon game of all time throughout the proceeding 2010s
>non-johtoddies who played it at the time experienced a nagging but ineffable feeling that something wasn't right with the games; couldn't express it at the time for fear of getting shouted down
>late 2010s come, johtoddler cult has reached peak levels of obnoxiousness, with refusal to acknowledge even minor concerns and shitting on other games like RSE
>kanto criticism begins to become acceptable thanks to "The Problems with Gen I" meme infographic
>people then begin to extend that by investigating the claims supporting toddy zealotry and start realizing the region is deeply flawed
>people start shitposting about select talking points like the level curve and distribution to clapback at and own the toddies in genwars
>even deeper digging continues and more and more devastating ammunition gets loaded against them; meme infographics proliferate and circulate widely
>toddies can't cope and double-down
>reputation in the IPC of both the games and their fandom begins to seriously crumble throughout the early 2020s
>unironic johto / gen ii hate goes mainstream
>toddies still can't cope but even begin acknowledging they are now the vocal minority
>today, HGSS/GSC isn't even guaranteed Top 3 in best lists

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>>59011664
You don't make money through selling the media.

You make money by selling merchandise of the media.

As long as you don't understand this you will never succeed at modern business.

>>59011686
This man is absolutely delusional

>>59011705
based mario

>>59011631
because BW was trash many people skipped while XY got hyped and excited people into thinking Pokemon wasn't dead quite yet

>>59011713
>based mario evidently leaving money on the table

>>59011717
It was the thought that BW/2 got held back by the DS and the 3DS would fix it.
Same thing's going to happen next year with WW. Everybody's already proclaiming it as a "return to form" after the Switch 1 held GF back.

>>59011717
More like DP were trash and zoomies dropped the series with gen 4 just like most millenials dropped the series after the proto-dexit of gen 3 and both these groups returned with XY because 3D graphics meant the games offered something novel.

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>>59011729
ever since RS sales were steadily recovering across all categories
DP sold more than RS
Platinum sold more than Emerald
HGSS sold more than FRLG
it was BW alone which broke the pattern

now, if you want to discuss what possible impact may have been made by the game directly preceding it...

>>59011649
says who?
almost nobody now except rapidly aging mid-late millennials thinks it's superior to anything >>59010957

>>59011748
People hated gen III because it was direct downgrade in every way except graphics (not even including the art direction being way worse in gen III) from gen II.
Nobody bought that shit and nobody bought GBAs (the worst handheld console Nintendo ever produced).
Gen IV was a return to form, an actual upgrade over gen II.

>>59011748
Now do sales figures per consoles sold, similar to a per capita to compare them taking into account install bases.

>>59011748
I don't think that's fair, if it were then BW or B2W2 would have been the reason XY sold so well, and XY or ORAS would have been the reason SM sold worse than it. Late releases just sold worse until SV, which given how much even normalfags complained about it to the point Nintendo had to apologize and Game Freak had to delay WW to make sure it was polished enough, I don't really think there's any good correlation. If there were Pokemon would have died with DP, and Japan still likes that game the most for some godforsaken reason.

Platinum, HGSS, BW and B2W2 was a generational run, could never be done again

>>59011770
People hated gen II because it was direct downgrade in every way except graphics (not even including the art direction being way worse in gen II) from gen I.
Nobody bought that shit and nobody bought GBCs (the worst handheld console Nintendo ever produced).
Gen III was a return to form, an actual upgrade over gen I.

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>>59011801
Nobody did buy the GBC, but good thing Gold and Silver were on the original Gameboy!
And unlike gen III, all gen II did was add and refine. It didn't take anything away.

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>>59011782
there's only so much you can understand if you were not there
explanatory gaps have to be filled in by inside knowledge and experience

take poketubing: alive and well during Gen IV thanks to wifi battle posting
come Gen V, hardly anyone is watching content
then Gen VI brought an explosion of interest such that even Verlisify could ride the hype to become at that time the most widely watched poketuber in the space (started his channel in/for Gen VI)

Gen V was a literal dark age for Pokemon where interest in the franchise was at its lowest

XY wasn't even released in an anniversary year and still features the now infamous kanto pandering and oldgen megas quite evidently as a desparate bid to win back consumer trust lost directly because of BW (and now so we discuss indirectly too because of HGSS's own subparity)

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>>59011816
>all gen II did was add and refine. It didn't take anything away.

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>>59011829
Every game is missing mons. You could trade them from RBY, and even trade them back, something that's never been done in generations since.

>>59011837
>You could trade them from RBY, and even trade them back, something that's never been done in generations since.
You can trade Pokemon back and forth between Gen 8 and 9 (minus Z-A) via HOME

>>59011866
GOTEM!

>>59011823
I mean I spent most of Gen 5 on /vp/ and that was a pretty good time with lots of wild shit going on and plenty of OC, but I also dropped out of here around the release of ORAS personally. I didn't participate in the rest of the Pokemon fandom because I'm not that kind of fucking loser, so I guess if you're just going based off that sort of thing whatever. As far as competitive stuff it could have just been a bad format, weather wars isn't exactly everyone's taste. If you've got more data though I'd love to see it, anecdotes only do so much.

>>59011837
Why would you want to trade them back?

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>>59011877
For me? Because my friends didn't have Gold/Silver and it was cool to send back mons I had in Gold to my copy of Blue to battle with them.
Yeah, I was the rich kid.

>>59011829
>feathers (squared) vs feathers (pointed)
what's the issue

Idk what it is, but besides the botched soundfont and Nob being absent for the translation I don't think hgss captured the "vibe" of the original games that well based on how it was presented. They're good and sovlful games in their own right, just not comparable to the originals as much as a remake should be

>>59011523
Insanely wrong opinion

>>59011624
>”lies”
>every game after DP sold significantly worse
>AKA proof a huge chunk of fans dipped after DP
are you retarded?

>>59011631
Because DP was trash and people checked out until the 3DS came out and offered 3D Pokemon (the shiny new toy)

>>59012129
its correct thoughbeit

>>59012146
DP was the greatest games ever made until BW2

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>>59012139
are you?

>third versions always sell lower
>remakes always sell lower
>positive sales trend stopped several games after its release
>recontinued when the problem child that caused the dip was no longer cg

>>59012146
>DP was tr—ACK
>>59010957

Gent 7 sucks ass. Terrible story. Easy as shit
Gen 5 is boring as shit and ugly
I had a GBC so yes people bought them
Yawnfag is fake and all of you are retards
pokemon hasnt been good since Gen 0

>>59012211
some trvkes here the board cannot accept

>>59012187
nice shop faggot, you gonna start deleting your own posts again?

>>59012222
you literally cannot delete posts after like 10 minutes

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>>59011530
Because Platinum existed and just redid everything awkward about them and was almost perfect.
Also, the game wasn't rebalanced that well around the additions of things like, "Infernape held on" via high friendship scores and stuff like that. So it is harder to even do challenge runs because the deck is so stacked in your favor.

>>59012233
The jeet necrobumper proves you wrong.

>>59012260
The archives do not differentiate between who deleted the post, the anon or a janny.

>>59012274
>The jeet necrobumper proves you wrong.
you are the one nigga besides shaun who definitely deserves to have his obnoxious rage spam purged by mods

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>>59010623
HGSS looks good, but GSC have an insanely charming aesthetic.

>>59012281
hi rajesh, keep getting "banned" lmao

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>>59012287
The GBC color palette was so comfy.

>>59011686
Unironically this. But I felt something was wrong back when I played gen2 as a kid. I dunno how it escaped so long. I think because it really does have a huge charm and soul as said here
>>59012287

>>59011568
>>59011534
EXP Share and curved XP gain means that any low level shitmon you have in your party will eventually roughly reach level par as you play, while the strong monster you lead with will plateau.
Switch training is just fucking boring to do, and isn't more 'immersive' or anything of that sort. It is just a tax older games had whenever you wanted to catch a new monster that was below level par.

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>>59012350

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>>59009740
if hgss gets ported and other zoomers start praising it i'll laugh my ass off

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>>59012446
hgss zoomers and oras zoomers are both things

>>59009749
Not really no.
Wouldn't take much effort to remove touchscreen support or just make it handheld-only and split the screen in half.
With that said, I'm really doubtful it'll happen anyway. Only expecting RSE to come in like a year and that's it for Switch 2.

>>59012353
Catching a monster way below par and being locked into Exp.Share(hold item) or switch training only happens in the Johto games. Every other game in gens 1-4 has the wild mons only slightly behind your team. They can catch up pretty quick as enemy trainer AI is bad and will let them win.

Johto is the only game that has actual trash like Togepi and Hoppip everywhere, requiring maddening investment and TMs to catch up to beating Team Rocket Grunts in Azalea. The amount of actual unusable garbage in Johto is legitimately shocking. Unown. Ledyba. Sunkern. Switch training is fine in other games since the mons will actually catch up in 15 mins of it.
It’s just Johtomons are pure fucking shit.

>>59012473
The unusuable garbage wouldn't be so bad if the common mons like Graveler and Gyarados weren't exponentially better. If the dogshit mons had like a 70% encounter rate nobody would be complaining.

>>59012473
they knew johto was empty so they intentionally filled the game with shitmons that artificially drag out the playtime through their difficulty in getting them to a point of usability

>>59012473
This is bullshit, and every region has the problem of new monsters being too low leveled to be immediately put to work.

Take this example from Hoenn.
North from Mossdeep City is Shoal Cave, where you can catch Pokemon up to level 32, when Tate and Liza are level 42. That means that you have 10 levels of grinding to reach par.

>>59011631
The DS was a big novelty and a lot of people bought one just to play Nintendogs and Cooking Mama on it before dumping it in a drawer to forget about.
The 3DS was more for enthusiasts by the time it released.

>>59012700
A level 32 Spheal would evolve to Sealeo in one level, which can already put in work since T&L's team is highly susceptible to Surf.

>>59012700
Yeah but they only have 2 Pokemon as a fucking 7th gym leader in the base games so it makes sense

>>59012473
>togepi
>everywhere
you didn't play the game

>>59009936
It was definitely because of BW. HGSS came out in Japan in September 2009 and just about everywhere else in March 2010. But Gen V's hype season began in February 2010 with the Zoroark silhouette on Pokémon Sunday and gradually got heavier and heavier, it's incredible just how many Pokémon got casually revealed. /vp/ wasn't until July 2010 which was the height of all the BW news. Of course people were still playing HGSS, those were the Pokémon Generals on /v/, which guaranteed a permanent presence on the board pre-/vg/ which was created to keep those semi-permanent threads from clogging up /v/'s catalog. The problem was that Pokéfags couldn't keep all their BW news in the Pokémon General, everyone wanted to be the first to post the newest news on /v/ in its own thread and have everyone react, they clogged up the board because BW news was so frequent and so many people had the same "I have to be first" idea and didn't see the catalog. Pokémon should not have a constant sticky at any given time, and it wasn't getting LESS popular, so /vp/ was the next best solution.

Keep in mind that BW hype was as big as it was because Gen IV was so well-received at the time.

>>59012852
>trash *like* Togepi
Missed a crucial word there, my ESL buddy.

>>59012889
>Keep in mind that BW hype was as big as it was because Gen IV was so well-received at the time.
I genuinely thought they could do no wrong, I expected BW to be the greatest game of all time from the promos. Fell for it again with XY, goddamn man it hurts

>>59012889
too bad the actual game was incredibly disappointing

>>59009730
>the zoomed game made zoomers kneel
Are you retarded?

niggas will call gschgss johto empty and then complain about how much content is in kanto as opposed to earlier

>>59010871
Pokemon is a zoomer franchise. If you were born in 1995 you would have been the target demographic for pokemania

My takeaway from the general is that YawnGOD has this board in the palm of his hand.

>>59009730
>zoomies
Nigga, zoomers grew up playing this. They're the biggest HGSSfags.

>>59012709
This. Every kid I knew had a DS, boys, girls, nerds, jocks, didn't matter.
By the time the 3DS came out, it was only autists and (future) trannies who bought it.
By comparison, everybody I know has a Switch, even my parents, in their 70s, bought one to play Animal Crossing.

>>59013005
>If you were born in 1995 you would have been the target demographic for pokemania
What? Pokemania was 1998-2001. Nobody in 1995 was even conscious by the time it ended. Pokemania was mostly kids born in the late 80s.

>>59013112
If you can't remember shit from when you were 3 you're an NPC. Simple as.

lol these niggas need to pad their "post games" with useless shit like rematches and some shitty throw ultraball 100 times legendary catches while the real chads fought wifi battles online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDyp_xSZnnI

>>59013279
>he thinks fighting hacked pokemon online is post game

>>59013314
kwabaroni have fun fighting against uhh lets see.. liepard and simipoir kek what the fuck are even those mons "strong trainers" lmaooo

>>59012375
What am i looking at here?

>>59013112
Pokemania was a live and well woth the release of RS, FRLG and yes people were playing GSC still
Whoever told you it was those dates lied to you

>>59013498
Gen 3 was not pokemania era any longer. It was the forgotten era. Tcg was sitting on shelves in those days, anime went stale and mons were redesigned to appeal to teens and preteens. If you were born in 95 and claim to have "lived" poke mania you are full of it. Its like being born in 89 and claiming to have lived the hype for batman returns or some shit.

>>59013498
>Pokemania was a live and well with the release of RS
No it wasn't. The anime making Ash take 6 months to get from Azalea to Goldenrod was fucking debilitating. Pokemania died early/mid 2001.

>>59013498
>>59013498
Pokemania was dead before gen 3. If you read Masuda's old blog posts from the time he talked about how he was worried the games wouldn't live up to the hype of the previous titles and then the games sold over a million copies on the first day and he realized he shouldn't take the Internet seriously

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>>59013669
Yet pokemon was all over the playgrounds and kids were collecting the cards, plushies, figures and playing the games?
>dead
Okay sure whatever /vp/ says

>>59013929
And that halted during 2001, yes. I remember my neighbor gave away all his Pokemon cards to me when I moved away in 2002.

>>59013990
Sure for you maybe in (you)r town
Not in other places

>>59013492
Pokemon Crystal if it were made by competent devs vs Pokemon Crystal made by Game Freak.

>>59009730
I like it and I'm a zoomer thoughbeitdoe