Are they the most neglected Gen1 Pokemon of all time?>No new forms>No new variants>No new evolutions>Never got the spotlight in a spin-offFor as much as GameFreak goes KANNTTOOOO, you would never think they were a part of it.
>>59010915They regionally replaced Meowth twice but couldn't give one to poor seel
>>59010915even its typing wasn't unique after 3–4 gensthey never bothered to give it a compelling mechanical identity
>>59010915Seel is my favorite Pokèmon he’s so cute :)
>>59010939It’s typing isn’t even unique in its debut gen
>>59010915it was born as worse lapras that isn't available for most of the game, doomed from the start
Dewgong is good in Gen I but this is the problem >>59010983Most often you'll never get a Dewgong before you get the free Lapras because you need to Surf for Dewgong, meaning you already have a Water type to begin with. Lots of Water Pokemon suffer this fate because of how the games were balanced. A friend of mine playing Sapphire wanted a Starmie, but the rod to fish for them was too late game so he was forced to more or less use the Lombre he'd been using as team filler for Surf until he got lucky and got a Milotic. Water is probably the worst choice paralysis type in the franchise because you really might as well use only non-shitmons. Though Dewgong gets STAB Blizzard, so while it's a worse Lapras, it's still better than actual trash like Seaking or Seadra
>>59010937>replacements>can't use the gigantamax form
>>59010939Its typing isn't unique in its debut generation. Everything Dewgong can do Lapras can do better. Its sole gimmick was Hydration-induced 1-turn Rests, but one generation later Lapras also got Hydration so it lost even that.
>>59010915Gonna use one of these in my next kantoooooo or johto run, but yes. Cloyster at least has shell smash to keep it relevant, these lads get mogged by the Walrein line
>>59011030The worst offender of all is probably Mantyke. You can argue Munchlax is more out of the way due to its distro method in DPPt but anyone with a Munchlax on their team is doing it deliberately because they want a rare Pokemon that evolves into a strong and beloved one. No one really has any reason to care about Mantyke and no one will add it to their team because its an unevolved Water-type that appears right before the 8th gym
>>59011030What's even the point of Seaking? By the time you can get one in any game, you can get objectively better watermons like Starmie, Whiscash, Tentacruel, basically any other watermon is better.What's Goldeen have going for it? Jack shit, yet it keeps accidentally getting booked to have a spot in regional dexes.
>>59010915They're perfect as they are! Just like Spheal or Clamperl or Maractus!
>>59010961>>59011276you guys gotta learn how to readnobody's going to forget lapras exists, so go with what makes sense
>>59012549>What's even the point of Seaking?Going FUCK YEAH
>>59012549same point as whiscashit has an ohko move
Sir, we only give meaningful buffs to Ledian.
>>59011030The only time that even remotely approaches a solution to the oversaturation of water types is B2W2 offering reasons to use a monotype team at all, but not in any way that would make using them in the campaign a good idea and even then you're going to pick the six best of them and water is a stacked type to begin with so there's a ton you're just not going to use, plus B2W2 is approaching modern Pokemon/romhack levels of Pokemon availability so even limiting it to Pokemon in the game doesn't help much.Seaking peaked with skub memes in Gen 7 which is kind of just depressing.
>>59012589We only want what's best for him
>>59010915I mean Fearow, Seaking, Parasect, Hypno, Golduck, Arbok, etc are all in the exact same boat.
>>59010915Seel was the first shiny I ever found...
>>59010915they'll get a new evo in WW, calling it now. seals are big right now.
>>59012575What in the fuck are you talking about?
>>59012623Golduck not getting shit despite Psyduck being Masuda's favorite mon baffles me
>>59012662The sealfags already rally around Spheal, they should give it something instead.
>>59012623They don't have generational gimmicks, but they at least have niches they can fill out, for the most part.>FearowGets Drill Run. A good alternative to Pidgeot, who is pathetically weak.>SeakingMostly useless. Known for memes and gets Horn Drill.>ParasectGets Spore and False Swipe.>HypnoMemes and gets Hypnosis.>GolduckUseless.>ArbokMemes and gets Glare and Coil. Dewgong gets no coverage, is at the ass end of the game that requires you to already have a Surf-user to reach, and doesn't do anything that Lapras doesn't already do. And Lapras also gets Sing.
>>59012623Dodrio too. That fucker got nerfed in gen 9 for some stupid fucking reason.
>>59012893so much for KAAAAAANNNTTTOOOOO. I've seen Genwunners or people who haven't played since Gen 1 or 2 look at Spheal for the first time and genuinely like it.
>>59012859That might very well be the reason, the Teraeak2 showed that game freak is bitter towards Masuda for cracking the whip ever since Gen 2. Masuda might have been in charge but he doesn't have absolute power to Game Freak almost certainly ignores the psyduck line to passive aggressive get back at Masuda.
>>59010915Yup, market corrected by the spheal lineAlso you forgot Dewgong having 25 SpA deducted in the gen 1-2 transition for no reason at all
>>59012896Beyond use in game, Dewgong is the only Water/Ice type to get Water Jet/Ice Shard and Fake Out. It has tools that none of its contemporaries have, but it just needs a bit more to distinguish itself.
>>59012979Damn, how bad must it have been for everyone at GameFreak to want to spite him like that?
>>59012905Huh? Lost moves or something?
>>59012623Arbok is considered a Team Rocket staple, Golduck is part of the Psyduck line and Psyduck gets a fuck ton of play, and Dodrio got a decent spotlight in Unite.
>>59010915Even by gen 1 standards they're both pretty plain. In basically every dex they exist in you can just run Lapras or Cloyster instead
>>59012623All the replies are coping heavily, especially 59012896 using memes as an argument.
>>59013952Not really. Even memes give attention to a Pokemon. Imagine being a Pokemon so unbeloved that it doesn't even have a funny joke associated with it.
>>59013986In a serious discussion, no one's bringing up jokes or memes to prop up a Pokemon. Some of those Pokemon either need a stat boost, an evo (preferably for me) or unfortunately, a mega or regional form. GameFreak/Pokemon rarely acknowledges memes or in-jokes from fans.
>>59014016You have no soul.
>>59010915The poliwrath line is even more forgettable
>>59012575>you guys gotta learn how to read>"even its typing wasn't unique after 3–4 gens">Dewgong>Lapras>CloysterSounds to me like you're some ESL nignog with a double digit IQ.
>>59011276In gen 3 Dewgong was like one of the only two Pokemon that could use Signal Beam.That's it, that's his entire niche that was made irrelevant immediately when Signal Beam became widespread distributed move and then literally just removed altogether because Gamefreak is fucking gay.
>>59010915The week Pokemon Go came out, a Dewgong shadow appeared on the radar and I remember running around my neighborhood trying to find it. I didn't.As a fan since 1998, that's my best memory of the line. A mobile game.
>>59012549Seaking has actually been the MVP in some of my runs.Rain dance waterfall and horn drill come in clutch.Whiscash is just very cute, I love the earthquake fish.
>>59012979>ignores the psyduck linebut psyduck and golduck were the only pokemon to be in EVERY SINGLE GAME until plza
>>59010915It's so easy to fix it though.>Ability: Icy character: If hit by ice type move it speed raises drasticly.>+20 att -10 sp attackMoveset change: Instead of aurora beam it learns Ice spinnerInstead of Take down it learns LiquidationLearns FREEZE DRY naturally after evolving.>
>>59014414I'm serious about Pokemon getting organic pushes, not in-jokes by a sect of a few hundred people. Never work for a company trying to push a product, you'll tank their reputation overnight.
>>59015052Calling you a "bugman" would not be harsh enough.
>>59015052>organic pushesOxymoron.
>>59012575You seem to have forgotten cloyster though
>>59014016I mean, I dunno, it depends on the meme. Can we really say that Mudkip has never gotten its time in the spotlight?
>>59010961>>59014426>>59015237Its probably the only Gen 1 Water/Ice type whose Ice type makes immediate sense.
>>59010915It's funny that Primarina is the reason why it hasn't gotten anything
>>59015551Lapras didn't get a Pokedex entry justifying its Ice-typing until gen 8>Crossing icy seas is no issue for this cold-resistant Pokémon. Its smooth skin is a little cool to the touch.
>>59015858Why would a Gen 7 pokemon prevent anything
>>59015988The Teraleak had an original map for Sun and Moon with Pokémon listed to appear in every area. Revealed stuff like Bug/Fairy Scyther and Rock/Electric Rhydon with no sign of Lurantis or Alolan Geodude elsewhere. The starters weren't finalized yet, just listed as water 1 water 2 water 3, but there was a Water/Fairy Seel and Dewgong listed as well.
>>59010915>literally just a seal>literally just a dugong>couldn't even come up with more creative names, just change a couple lettersAnd people said Gen I designs were peak.
>>59015858>>59016067I believe it. Because I believe Crindisgrace is the reason Lopunny were dexcut at first in Gen8 and then through all of Gen9 (except for ZA).
>>59016159>And people said Gen I designs were peak. Imagine believing shitposters
>>59015551We dithering about cloyster?
>>59016564>ditheringI will never understand how auto correct thinks I want to type shit like "dithering" instead of "forgetting"
>>59016564>>59016569NTA but how is Ice on Cloyster immediately obvious
If a Pokemon has a full art with a background then they've done it justice. Seel has none. Dewgong has 1.
>>59010915the only gen 1 mons that are strictly worse and more ignored than the seel line is the paras line. it fucking astounds me that pokemon like them are allowed to exist even though they've shown theyre okay with moderate buffs/nerfs in the past. gen 1 has a ton of anomalies that are never addressed>rapidash strictly worse than arcanine in 9/10 scenarios>oh yeah sure it got a regional form, the base still evolves at level fucking FOURTY and doesn't get any better stab than fucking flame charge>despite that PONYTA has a higher bst than PARASECT>parasect evolves 14 levels later than the other kanto bugs and gets blessed with a 4x weakness to flying and fire, gets no moves to set it apart from beedrill>hypnos stats aren't the absolute worst for an early game tank but its movepool is dogshit and stalling in solo content (especially early gens) is pointless. completely outclassed by kadabra in everything but spdef>people clown on fearow but it's strictly better than pidgeot in every game that mega pidgeot isn't available, also available 10 levels earlier>you can get nidoking and nidoqueen at like level 16 because of how retarded stone evos are, 2 gyms before arbok which is a strict downgrade in every way>farfetchd before swsh>jynx is okay but only available via a trade at end game>dewgong may very well be the last wild pokemon you find outside of cerulean cave, has NOTHING going for it compared to lapras cloyster or seaking. every coverage move that dewgong has gotten over the years seaking has also gotten. dewgong didnt get a water stab move (outside of tms/hms) until gen 4>onix's stats>sandslash's movepool>golbat's movepool>psyduck/golduck aren't psychic type>victreebel literally just gimped vileplumedespite being game freak's lovechild and constantly shilled, there are so many problems with genwun mons even for solo playthroughs it's fucking astounding
>>59016587He's a cool guy.
>>59016159>looks like something that might actually exist in natureYes, that's why they're "peak" lil zoom.
>>59010915>Never got the spotlight in a spin-offspoken like a retard who never played the tcg games on the gameboy or the tcg itself
>>59010915tera leaks says they planned fairy variant for them, but it was reworked into Primarina
>>59016700okay so flamigo is the best pokemon ever then
>>59010915I'd say lickitung but then i remembered Lickilicky existslickitung still the most forgettable of the OG151 for me btw
>>59016670>>dewgong may very well be the last wild pokemon you find outside of cerulean cave, has NOTHING going for it compared to lapras cloyster or seaking. every coverage move that dewgong has gotten over the years seaking has also gotten. dewgong didnt get a water stab move (outside of tms/hms) until gen 4"fun fact" it took until Gen NINE for Dewgong to get Hydro Pump and it still doesn't get Freeze Dry. >>59016596leave it to the TCG to save Pokemon that Game Freak screws over. Why is it that every other facet of the franchise respects pokemon more than game freak does?
>>59012859Golduck can OHKO primal Groudon though.
>>59012896>GolduckSuper good HM slave.
I feel people shit on dewgong too much, I used the fairy Tera one in the DLC and it over performed.Granted it was doubles and was backed by hisuian arcanine torkoal and galarian weezing, still a fake out pokemon with AV and thick fat has a niche.Fake out, drill run, flip turn and triple Axel were all it needed, if anything drill run could have been replaced by either sheer cold or knock off and it would have been even better, there's even an argument for perish song, protect and whirlpool.
>>59016851>Why is it that every other facet of the franchise respects pokemon more than game freak does?They have to do more than just put "Pokemon" on the label to get money.
remember when TPCi made some animation for galar with dewgong in it despite dewgong not being in the region and it created a massive controversy that got them to apologize
>>59016865Not even the best in Kanto, Krabby gets Cut, Surf and Strength
I imagine they institute a Nigger pokemon that eats Chicken, in the next games. Maybe it could evolve from Dewgong, to increase its value to the players.What do you think?
