When did nuzlocking change from a fun challenge you give yourself, into an elitist circle jerk that exists purely to say if you don’t optimize every square nanometer of your run, you’re basically stupid.I’ve been seeing a new romhack get just torn apart on Xitter and it’s just full of brain dead neanderthals excusing bad game design because they enjoy running calls for 30 minutes instead of playing the fucking game. It just reeks of “I couldn’t make it in the actual comp scene so I have to fight AI to feel good about myself”I genuinely hate what nuzlockes have become now, a shame because I remember when it first became a thing.
Hi, I'm also on that stream!
>>59020587>german optimizes the fun out of the gameG*rms are truly subhuman.
>cant cut it in either comp forms>get bullied off social media by mouth breathing casuals for playing difficulty slop"nuzlockers" should just end it
>>59020587>“I couldn’t make it in the actual comp scene so I have to fight AI to feel good about myself”>>59020595>>cant cut it in either comp formsremember when jan spent like a year on emerald kaizo and then wolfey came in and did it in 10 attempts or something?fucking kek
>>59020587You already posted the source. Just find when he first did a nuzlocke video
>>59020599that's because wolfey is an actual good player, Jan didn't even properly beat it didn't he hack the IVs of his mons?
not saying people can't call stuff shit or generally criticize but the entire nuzlocke "discourse" always confused me. Both sides can get exactly what they want. If you want to calc stuff and use candies, there's plenty of hacks that'll cater to you. And if you're the opposite and prefer the grind + overall attachment/story element, there's plenty of stuff to play on that side as well. Neither is preventing the other from existing.
>>59020599Wolfey just used the strategies Jan spent a year coming up with by trial and error.
>>59020674Thanks for beta testing sweaty faggot.
>>59020602Saw him dog on a guy for getting a Ratata as a first encounter because it was sub optimal like it wasn’t totally random, and I’ve never understood why other streamers started inviting him to do shit after that…Side note why do they all look like him only with varying levels of faggotry
Fuck Jaiden for making this bratwurstbozo mainstream.
>>59020587>an elitist circle jerk that exists purely to say if you don’t optimize every square nanometer of your run, you’re basically stupidEveryone is blaming Jan but he's stated multiple times people should do whatever the fuck they want and play the way it's the most fun for them.
>>59020683I remember Alpharad reacted to him reacting to his nuzlocke mocking how much he was tryharding it, just to fall into the same shit he mocked Jan for and start inviting him on. I just skip any videos Jan is in by principle
>>59020702His fault for being a sweaty nerd tbqh, nobody is gonna shit on Jaiden because she's a girl or alpharad because he's better looking than Jan.
>>59020606i dont remember the specifics but yeah, it was the slowbro used to pp stall like the entire league and he got caught cos of confusion damage i think?
>>59020636The real issue comes from the difficulty side. They really can't stand criticism and feel the need to attack anyone who says "this is ass" instead of ignoring it while also trying to push their difficulty hacks on randoms who don't care. This wouldn't have blown up if they didn't reply to everyone talking shit about Null to say ummm actually this isn't for you and its the pinnacle of pokemon, you don't get it.
>>59020674wolfeys team on the left, jans on the right. the slowbro did most of the work for jan. also, wolfey didnt need to reset 150 times for a naught 31atk mence to carry him kek
>>59020742Wolfey also didn't modify the IVs of Slowbro.
>>59020587Whats the romhack?
>>59020742Drives my point home about these people not being skilled as much as it’s “ I’m borderline if not fully unemployed so I can be patient and mash out resets and do calls for 45 minutes at a time”
>>59020772>9 attempts>151 attempts>yeah both these people are unemployed losers!i was agreeing with you retard, my point was that wolfey winning so quickly demonstrated jan had no fucking skill and just won by brute forcing it + getting lucky. i dont even like wolfey that much but hes undeniably good at pokemon and mogged the shit out of jan
Isn't this fucking fag literally using pizzagate "I love boys" symbol as his YT profile picture?
>>59020767Pokemon Null, started gaining traction because someone posted the first gym’s team and hoo boy…Also your crit rate is half of the AI’s and I’ve seen a plethora of answers offered as to why, none consistent, many contradictory to each other.But yeah the devs got their troon friends running damage control via toxic positivity “don’t bully mah fren” posts, it’s kinda pathetic
>>59020783I’m not disagreeing retard lmfaoWolfed moving the shit out of Jan just proves he’s actually skilled
>>59020805oh i misunderstood your last post sorry. guess i was the retard after all
>>59020802ive never seen this before, but at first glance, all of the threatening mons on this team are easily OHKOed if you ahve something that outspeeds them and hits for supereffective.which means this hack is either one of two things:A) you have a shitload of options available to you in the name of QoL to get a diverse set of encounters and build them however you like, letting you easily assemble a team with guaranteed lines to win, which means the game isnt really an rng-dependent nuzlocke but instead just a puzzle where you have all the tools you need for the solution and just have to find itB) the only way youre dealing with that zygarde is a 2% encounter rate triple axle weavile on the first route and if you dont get it youre fucked, so the game is just gambling til you hit it and the reset count is super inflatedi wouldnt say either of these are fantastic game design (for a nuzlocke anyway; the puzzle thing maybe has its place but not in a nuzlocke considering the original idea behind the challenge)
>jan threadfuck off jan, we know its you, every time
We need more romhacks that focus on the early game and not give every trainer full teams of fully evolved pokemon. It's way more interesting to work with limitations than have a shit load of options.
This thread proves that Jan and Poketubers live rent free in /vp/'s head despite how much they claim to not watch them.
>>59020587Nick Franco probably thinks this calculation bullshit is gay as fuck.
>>59021152This >>59020802 is the first gym of the new romhack. The justification was that the damage formula puts too much emphasis on levels early on, while it smooths out later on. Picrel is an example where a 2 hit kill turns into a guaranteed one shot within 2 levels.Early game Pokemon also sucks *because* there's barely any options. In a hard unbalanced game, you'd memorize what does and doesn't work after so many attempts and go into reset hell.
>>59020742The E4 is just the tip of the iceberg. Wolfe only mad it that far by dickriding Jan's strategies for every other part of the game.
>>59020742Wolfey did a vanilla Emerald run for practice and played like dogshit. Both Wolfey and Jan had tons of help and backseating from the actually good players in the community.
>>59021298Just include more pokemon in early game with improved movesets. Early game in base pokemon is a bit boring sure, hitting everything with tackle or ember isn't great. But there are tons of weak pokemon with weaker moves to make it better.Weaker moves and pokemon = more turns in a battle. 2 hit KOing or 1 hit KOing is just not interesting for an entire game in my opinion.
>>59021343>Just include more pokemon in early game with improved movesets.They do that already, you'd know if you played them
>>59021363Exactly. My point is levels should be lowered for the entire game, and not have level 20-30 pokemon in the first gym. Keep the variety, not the higher levels.
>>59021343>Just include more pokemon in early game with improved movesetsThey do this already. You can have both.>Weaker moves and pokemon = more turns in a battleIt wouldn't really change anything. Pokemon has never had many drawn out battles (unless you enjoy stall, which most people don't).The example is already Druddigon hitting another Druddigon with a not very powerful move. A 40 bp move would just be the same problem but with 3 hit and 2 hit kills.
>>59020841As someone painfully addicted to PokeRogue despite its many faults, you simply cannot explain this to a certain category of people who think “failing due to bad luck is just part of the genre”. Nothing will ever convince them that “you died because the RNG dicked you over, but you’re expected to restart” is bad game design. They don’t believe it. They want to fail 100 times for every one time they get lucky and succeed.
>>59020587I dont know about you but its still a fun challenge I give myself. I guess dont let youtubers you hate effect your life like that. Maybe go outside.
>>59020724That's not an actual issue for the mentally well people. I just play a nuzlocke when I feel like it for fun and no one has ever tried to stop me.
>>59020724>push their difficulty hacks on randoms who don't careas much as this board hates xitter trannies you faggots sure act like them
>>59021612>tl;dr git gud
>>59020587>When did nuzlocking change from a fun challenge you give yourself, into an elitist circle jerk that exists purely to say if you don’t optimize every square nanometer of your run, you’re basically stupid.Basically around the time everyone decided to be Internet grifters.
One day, I will surpass Pchal.
>>59020587I've never cared about nuzlockes, but I recently caught wind of these faggots cheating in rare candies and then defending it. What's the fucking point of doing challenges at all if you're just gonna cheat?
>>59022272>What's the fucking pointgetting views.doubt any of these jewtube faggots have read a nuzlocke comic before, let alone *the* nuzlocke comic.
>>59022272It's not cheating anymore because they play rom hacks that add infinite rare candies as a feature :^)
>>59020593having fun in games? ve don't do that in GERMANY
>>59022272It's not a thing for vanilla games, which is what 99% of you fags are thinking aboutSpeed up is worse and way more ubiquitous
>>59020783>getting luckyYou mean literally cheating? It's not a secret that he edited his Slowbro's stats and then just proceed to bullshit his way out of it because his fans are all no less retarded than him.Dude literally just made up some bullshit challenge and then when he failed at it, instead of giving up just broke his own rules.
>>59020802>>59021612LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! I MADE DIFFICULTY HACKE TO FELLATE THE STREAMERS! I'M SO COOL!
>>59022391>still on le Slowbro IVsThe nuzlocke spergs already proved they wouldn't have made a difference. I like how the ones most offended by this are the shartyposters.
>>59022398>niggers like (You) never get a romhack againbased
>>59022404You mean he and his "fans" (including apparently you, go back to Discord) told that it made no difference? Except literally his entire "winning" run relied on that Slowbro.You're full of shit faggot, please die.
>>59022412They are autistic enough to run every calc for every turn Slowbro was in. And it didn't matter. Continue dilating, sharty-chan.
>>59022398>get filtered by a kid's game>throw a melty onlineMany such cases
>>59022253lmfao sure you will buddy
I've never seen more insecurity in my life until these nuzlocke threads
>>59020587I like that people are calling them "spreadsheet simulators now"Anyway, your post is only half-right. you're talking about romhacks/difficulty hacks. No one is doing anything to nuzlockes. You can still go and nuzlocke vanilla fire red or whatever normally and no one will ever be able to stop you. Conflating nuzlockes with difficulty hacks just makes the entire conversation a dumpsterfire
>>59020587It's always been an elitist circlejerk>NNNH! LOOK HOW SKILLED AND SUPERIOR WE ARE FOR PLAYING IN SET MODE AND SAYING OUR POKEMON DIE WHEN THEY FAINT! NNNH! YES!That's how those faggots have always sounded.
>>59021612>>59022702>>59022856Pokemon games aren't designed for nuzlockes, so you're not actually fighting the trainer encounter but all of the rng surrounding it. If these retards actually cared about challenge they would make 'no google docs' a rule.
grinding is cringe. I've dropped countless nuzlockes over the years because i get bored out of my mind grinding up a new catch or the team avg. Tried a candies nuzlocke last year and it was pretty enjoyable ngl.
>>59022856You sound so bitter lmao
>>59022856normal nuzlockes are easy as fuck what are you talking about
>>59022888What do you mean by normal? As in the vanilla games?
>>59022898yes since that anon was taking issue with basic rules like set mode and permadeath which are things you deal with even in ez nuzlockes anyway
>>59022879>my brain is rotted from years of watching tiktok and I can't heckin focus on the main gameplay loop of this game anymoreYou aren't a real pokemon fan.
>>59022879>proudly proclaiming yours the reason oras didn't have battle frontierCan we go back to when people like you got ridiculed for thinking posting shit like this was okay?
randomly bringing up tiktok and a remake i never even played. Sounds about right for a couple of faggots crying into the void
>how dare you point out I have a low attention span low attention spans was literally the reason given as to why oras didn't have a battle frontier, retard. Cry harder
>the woke left is attacking my rare candy cheats
grinding is a peak adhd activity. ideal for second-screen gaming. put on a tv show, grind with one hand, scroll reels with the other hand. then you're in the fucking zone.
>ermm actually grinding is for low attention span people! P-please forget the part where I admitted I just want instant gratification like in my tiktoks
>>59022995oh I'm not that guy, just saying my piece
>>59020587Go back to your containment thread faggots >>58980290
if I ever played a romhack/nuzlocke and started to seriously consider running calculations; I'd rather kill myselfsuch a dull ass lame way to play pokemon
campaignshitters malding like crazy lately
>>59020802Is it a good hack outside of "difficulty" stuff?
>>59020742>I MISS RAPEbased wolfe
>>59020695Jaiden actually made a comic of her Nuzlocke adventures, so she's a rare one that did it properly, the way Pokemon Hard Mode was originally designed.
>>59020587>giving a fuck about nuzlockes
>>59021579tbf with pokerogue, that kind of rng is just part of the roguelike genre as a whole. its kind of an acquired taste i guess (ive never really liked roguelikes much because of it) but it has its place there. in nuzlockes, thoughsoeverbeit, which are basically just an extension of regular pokemons rpg gameplay, i dont think theres any argument to be made for having 80%+ of runs die to rng
>>59020636New romhacks are the best way to get a new nuzlocke experience and unfortunately as nuzlockes become more and more synonymous with having a fucking calculator play the game for you, new romhacks are frequently being catered to that crowd of people resulting in fuckass hacks like this that basically force you to get a highly specific team or go fuck yourself and keep playing the same old games over and over again forever. Also I think that hacking in rare candies is retarded, the first death in any nuzlocke ever was to grinding against a wild Pokemon. Eliminating all forms of extra risk and turning Pokemon of all games into a boss rush is just stupid from the ground up and more people should be willing to make fun of that.
>>59020802I think It’s the fact that they couldn’t come up with a challenging NFE team or even stick to monotype that really irks me the most. Axing the early game would just make the whole thing stale wouldn’t it?Rare candies idgaf about, it just saves time if you’re just there purely for the destination (a retarded way to play imo but whatever I’ll let the tards have their shit take)
>>59023923There is an early game. Do some research yourself instead of whining like a little baby cunt.
The most autistic thing ITT is how people think Nick Franco is offended in any way. Literal Twitter tranny behavior.
>>59023975it's the same few retards from sharty posting the same talking points in every thread they make when all they're doing is making me remember jan exists
>>59023975>people think Nick Franco is offended in any wayI said he'd think it's gay, which he would. Have you seen how autistic he is about inane shit?
>>59024006He's an umemployed loser like 99% of this board, no one cares what he thinks
>>59024013>unemployed loser left more of a mark than most employed losers ever willwagecucks in shambles
>>59024006>he's a dilating twitter tranny toobased let's suck her dick for the next 200 posts
>>59024021Yeah Jan has really made the Pokemon scene better than it was like 6 years ago.
>>59020587>It just reeks of “I couldn’t make it in the actual comp scene so I have to fight AI to feel good about myself””pro” nuzlockers utterly btfo
>>59022886I beat a Nuzlocke of Storm Silver on my first try. It wasn't hard.>>59022888That's my point, all Cucklockes are easy, but faggots like Pokemon Mentally Challenged act like they're better because of some retarded self-imposed rules.
nothing melts my heart more than /vp/ going to town hating on this filthy hangable lynchable krautsack goyslop euronigger.this guy doesnt even know what fun in a pokemon game is.not to mention his faggoty ass was on twitter complained like a feistyfuckfart because he couldnt cheat his way through clover ,filthy kraut./vp/, i think this guy should genuinely hang himself from a tree, this way the oxygen this motherless chud consumes could be left for others on this planet.
>>59023450And then she gave janny a platform when she could've just ignored the absolute fuck out of him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCwWGa80nLc
>>59024448saw this alreadytl;dw /vp/ is full of twitter trannies
>>59024448>what we do isnt accessible to most peopleis this seriously what he believes? the only barrier to muh hardcore nuzlocking is game knowledge. any remotely intelligent person could do what he does if they just spent enough time learning the games. maybe thats what he meant - its inaccessible in the sense that getting into it is time consuming if you havent already been playing pokemon since you were 8, but im not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt
>>59024478>if you havent already been playing pokemon since you were 8That's what most Pokemon adults that still play these games are like. The vanilla games don't force you to engage with most of the mechanics in any capacity, so it feels like there's a shitton to catch up on. Most people here still don't think the gameplay is any deeper than rock paper scissors.
>>59024508and using infinite rare candies to bring your entire team on par with the Gym Leader's ace is supposed to?
>>59024448He has a lazy eye.
>>59024448Well that explains the influx of nuzlocke seethe threads lately.This site is just Twatter reposts.
>>59024515You can't do that in vanilla anyway, you'd overlevel.
>>59024515The rare candy thing is putting the performance over the actual challenge. They are used to make the video more entertaining to the viewer by removing downtime that would be used for bringing a Pokemon up to speed with everyone else.
>>59024535>grinding on route 1 is the challenge>let's ignore all the hours of planning for the romhack battles btwevery time with twitter trannies kek
>>59024525These retards post like them too
>>59024535>They are used to make the video more entertaining to the viewerthe great part about videos is that you can actually edit them and cut out uninteresting parts! you could just grind your mons so as not to make the challenge easier (yknow, since youre a HARDCORE nuzlocker) by removing risk and then cut that part out of the video, or include the bits where something eventful happens like losing a mon! technology is incredible, huh?
zoomers be like YOOOO THIS GAMEPLAY FIRE
>>59024567Nobody makes edited videos anymore, they just upload a livestream as-is.
>>59024567>cut out uninteresting parts>like grindingGlad we agree.>>59024574That's completely untrue. Almost all the viewership is from daily uploads of edited livestreams, then a final video wrapping it all up on the main channel.
>>59024546these retards are them
>>59024569First actual truthful criticism ITT
>>59024541>hours of planning>calculator, do this pokemon battle for me>wow the calculator won the fight, i'm so good at pokemon
>>59024794>calculator, do the pokemon battle for meNo Pokemon calculator does this, twitter tranny
>>59024873No you're right, knowing all of the stats, moves, and IVs of every single Pokemon you own and fight and slapping them all into a calculator so you can run a simulation of every single possible outcome in a completely risk free environment and trial and error your way through every single fight that could potentially pose even a minor threat is completely different from having the calculator play the game for you. Do you run damage control like this for every streamer you worship or is it just this one you fucking nigger faggot
>>59024890>explaining how you're doing the work>then pretending the calculator is doing itincredible insight, go tweet about this to your 5 followers tranny
glad people are finally realizing this guy is a colossal faggot and a poser
>>59024920Btfo
>>59024448>he has a girlfriendXitter lost
>>59024920Yes you monumental retard, datamining, PKHex, and docs giving you the exact stats for literally everything you're going to use and fight and then the calculator telling you all the possible outcomes before the battle even happens is the calculator doing the work for you. The absolutely crazy insane thing that people used to do in the days before this faggot normalized your retarded ass mindset is estimate it based on their prior knowledge of Pokemon, something your rotted fucking brain seems absolutely incapable of comprehending because you're too used to a calculator doing all the work for you and taking credit for the work of a machine. I can guarantee you're an actual fucking child because you've never been in a math class that wouldn't let you use calculators in class, and I wouldn't be surprised if you'll have ChatGPT to thank for your eventual GED.
>>59024410>seething because he couldn’t cheat his way through cloverHoly fucking shit I never heard about this, that’s fucking hilarious. Clover is pretty good about its level curve honestly so if you find yourself having to grind, you probably fucked something up. I should play through it again I love the risk that comes with actually playing the game instead of eliminating as much chance as possible.
>>59025028anon he made it up. I don't even think he's ever touched clover
>muh rare candies vs grinding>muh level 40 first gym with legendariesOnly a problem in spreadsheetslop games that only streamers and NEET's have the time to nuzlocke anyway. You spend more time checking shit on bulbapedia (or if the creator was nice enough, the 200 page pdf attached with the romhack), spreadsheets, damage calcs, etc. than actually interfacing with the game. The game is nothing more than a glorified boss rush. I have no idea how this is appealing to anyone, but whatever it doesn't effect me.To nuzlocke these games are a slog, and to play these games casually is nothing more than a pokemon showdown teambuilder simulator and then destroying the game with your broken setup because the game let's you tweak every single aspect of every mon down to the IV, EV, egg moves, etc. completely effortlessly.We need more games like Renegade Platinum that are tastefully difficult without feeling like 'sheetslopPicrel, one of my favorite pokemons
>>59025173>We need more games like Renegade PlatinumThere's hundreds of enhancement hacks already, yet you have a melty when one (1) new hack that filters you gets released
>>59024970You could've avoided this Twittoid melty if you dug into what the calcs do. Or maybe you're just trying to bait for engagement like all you retards do on that cesspool of a website.They give you damage outcomes based on parameters you enter in for the current Pokemon.They don't tell you what move the opponent will choose. Maybe they'll use the strongest move, maybe they see a roll between 2 moves, maybe they'll set up. Hopefully you did your research on how the AI works.They don't tell you what Pokemon to switch in next.They don't tell you what opponent Pokemon is coming out next.They don't strategize or tell you want the next best move is.They don't do any teambuilding for you.They don't predict the result of any turn. Maybe the AI will choose to switch out, it happens even in vanilla. Or you get paralyzed for the 3rd turn in a row. The calc won't help you there.
>>59025581I don’t like it when enhancement hacks don’t change pokemon enough.It’s always disappointing wondering what they’ve done to insert favorite shitmon here only to find they increased its BST by 30 and basically nothing else.
>>59025648>I don’t like it when enhancement hacks don’t change pokemon enough.That's funny, it's almost always the opposite
>>59024569absolute TRVTH NVKE.
>>59025149>he doesn't know
lol
>>59025794I've never seen a virtue signal fail so hard in the pokemon community. in 2020 as well kek.
I don't particularly have an issue if Nuzlockers want to make or play a stupid romhack like Null seems to be, but I do have an issue with how accepted it is to hack in Rare Candy instead of grinding something normally. I don't even know how to articulate why this is wrong because it seems so obvious to me.In preparation for the Fire Red rerelease I browsed Youtube for tier list/underrated mons videos, and I stumbled across some guy who claimed to be an expert Nuzlocker (I think it was >>5902579 but maybe it wasn't) ranking the Kanto dex. When he came to Farfetch'd, he was saying how underrated and surprisingly strong it was. And while he was arguing this, the footage was him pumping Ch'Ding with Rare Candy after Rare Candy. It really killed any sense of authority I might have had.
>>59026074>seems to beno one cares if you used candies, used the vs seeker 500 times or grinded on level 3 rattatasyou're extrapolating your basic vanilla game experience to difficult romhacks not meant for you. your opinion is irrelevant
>>59026074All of the Nuzlocke content on YouTube is absolutely AIDS... I think it was pChal who ruined it by bringing thousands of low IQ Redditards to the community
>>59026101YouTube content is AIDS but better than before. It used to be generic lets play #97689782974, bottom of the barrel randomizer garbage and top 10 lists a decade ago.
>>59026111lets plays and randomizers were kinotop 10 lists were the same shit as tier lists are now
>>59026117>kino>same copy paste gamplay from 15 years ago and parasocial relationships with child groomers were good, actually>catching groudon on route 1, doing a soiface and using it the whole game was good, actuallyno.
>>59026117You are the problem.
>>59026128you just weren't watching the right content
>>59020593He actually said he's half german. he had a bar mitzvah
>>59026165You got a source for that?
>>59026117Fuck randomizer faggots, they play shitty unbalanced romhacks that give you overpowered Pokémon from the start, then LARP about how randomizers are supposedly harder than the base game.
>>59026172then they randomize the opponent teams and cynthia has a pidgey
>>59024567RTGame just needs to do another one.
>>59026172And the thing is, how fucking hard is it to>replace mons only with ones within 20BST of the originals>replace only legendaries with legendaries>filter gym leader rolls to be of a consistent typingOr something.Like it’s not HARD to balance random mons in a way that’s still interesting and fun, finding a drilbur and a magnemite on route 1 instead of bidoof and pidgey and having the rock-type gym leader have 4 flying type mons instead changes your gameplay experience meaningfully, you don’t have to let the player roll Lugia and Lapras and go up against a Numel and Mega Sharpedo.
CW: racismThe 4chan ROM Hack Pokemon Clover is insanely racist and anti-semitic. If you stream or LP this game on your channel you are actively spreading this fascist propaganda to young impressionable viewers. It's an incredibly irresponsible use of your platform. Be better.
I'm honestly surprised no one had posted the cuck pasta yet, sadly I don't have it neither memorized to post myself.
>>59025631Not that anon but>They don't tell you what move the opponent will choose. Maybe they'll use the strongest move, maybe they see a roll between 2 moves, maybe they'll set up. Hopefully you did your research on how the AI works.Only thing that is true here is unpredictability of setup instead of attack i.e AI behavior. Still there's documentation on how it will play out.>They don't tell you what Pokemon to switch in next.Yeah but with all the information that calculator provides, it's trivial for the player to tell.>They don't tell you what opponent Pokemon is coming out next.False, see the screenshot. hzla is what these streamers use most of the time and it does that along with highest damaging move possible.>They don't strategize or tell you want the next best move is.>They don't do any teambuilding for you.With the current party you have and with all the information you have, you can easily do it with the help of, you guessed it, a calculator.>They don't predict the result of any turn. Maybe the AI will choose to switch out, it happens even in vanilla. Or you get paralyzed for the 3rd turn in a row. The calc won't help you there.All the information about damage rolls, AI switch behaviors, etc. is there, and only thing that is in play is RNGStreamers spend hours, days, weeks into planning one fight and if you happen to stumble upon one, you will find that calculator is the central piece. So yeah, calculator does 90% of the job, 9% is left for RNG and 1% for player decision.
>>59026856as said 500 times already this entire process takes 10x longer if you don't know the battle mechanics and fundamentals by heart. also switch-in AI depends on your own status so you have to manually update that while making your line, but there's fundamentals to learn there too. you can't be like "oh i wanna bait x pokemon so i'll let the opponent hit me and pray i don't get crit"it's almost like it's math class or something. get it? because you use calculators in math.
>>59027244Problem with modern day nuzlockes listed in the thread:>too much focus on calculators and spreadsheets>too much focus on some streamer's approval for game design>need to have specifically candied up team to beat the boss rushYou are essentially justifying it. "It's like that because...uh... it's like maths class or something" Come on.In maths class, you use calculator to get the end result. But if the calculator does 90% of the derivation and calculation, you did fuck all. Hell, even solving a kind of problem in the class helps in another set of similar problem but not in romhacks. Your knowledge of one romhack does not apply to another one even if it's from the same creator.Taking 10x longer is not an issue for a streamer whose stream majorly consists of that. All of them do it.It was supposed to be a simple jRPG game not this min-maxed autism simulator devoid of the original essence of the game.
>>59026171He's not. Mom is Catholic, and was raised secular for the most part.
>>59021152I've always felt like the early game is always the best part of every game and it saddens me deeply the average g*mer (read: swine) feels the exact opposite and pushes for endgame as hard as humanly possible.
>>59021298>hmmm midgame single-stage pokemon using decent bp moves is a bit swingy at low levels>should we be using weak unevolved pokemon with weak attacks for the early game?>haha no we'll just hyperinflate the levels instead!
>>59022381>speedup is cheating>infinite rare candies isntHate.
>>59022856>switchtard insecurity: the post
>>59022940This should be the banner ad for /vp/
>>59022967This shit does not work. Podcast or music, yes. Anything that requires actual focus? Will get you killed.Source: 6k hours in MMOs
>>59024525>my feats include beating the main story capmaign of Pokemon Emerald"Puttting that on my resume kek
>>59024569Thought this was pokemon showdown from the thumbnail
>>59026532The randomizer tools have all of these options, up to and including limiting legendary spawns and maintianing type cohesion for trainers.They also have even more random options that do make the game harder, like randomized movesets and random move types.
>>59021298Pokemon is officially balanced for level 50, use that. You know I’ve often thought you could just canonize VGC rules as in-universe league rules, and let the game’s level scaling be normal except have all the gyms be>equalized to level 50>double battle pick 4>species clause, item clauseThen you don’t have to worry about how the player’s level scales with the content. And the code for that should already be in the ROM because of PVP, Battle Frontier, etc
>>59027333>Problem withNone of these are a problem if the players enjoy them, who are a minority, but very active minority. You're making it sound like that's the whole scene or something. There's way more enhancement hacks for a vanilla player's skill level, but they're not interesting to watch a nuzlocke of.>But if the calculator does 90% of the derivation and calculation, you did fuck allIn math, you need to know what you're doing to make sure the calculator isn't spitting out wrong, useless bullshit. In Pokemon it's knowing how the battle will flow each turn and what RNG and AI behavior could occur to fuck you over. It is similar, but Pokemon isn't nearly as deep.>Your knowledge of one romhack does not apply to another oneWhy not? They don't change Pokemon mechanics unless they explicitly state it somewhere in their documentation.>Taking 10x longer is not an issueYes it is. As a player, it leads to burnout and is a sign to play something easier. As a streamer, your viewers will get bored no matter what you do and either leave or backseat you.
>>59027649nah then you'll get twitter trannies going WHY IS THR FIRST GYM LEVEL 50 LOL
>>59027478It's the same issue but it's usually more like a guaranteed 3HKO turns into a guaranteed 2HKO
>>59027397And his dad is...
>>59027487Why? They're both ways to speed up mindless tedium. Speed up also lets you speed up the battles and movement. You should either like or hate both.Just because you used speed up in 2009 on VBA on your vanilla Emerald run doesn't mean it wasn't cheating.
>>59025149no, i did not make it up , its an old post
>>59022875Based werster
>>59028443The difference is that speed up is still playing the game, just sped up. If anything speed up can make the game harder due to a lack of control, you're pretty much have to going to turn it off to get a Gen 3 fossil or fishing catch, and it's way easier to accidentally button mash your way into doing something stupid that gets a mon killed. Rare candies are skipping gameplay, there's no way around that. Any grind carries a risk, there are some instances where a Pokemon you're training just really sucks for a particular grind and you have to either stick with it, throw on an Exp Share, or grind somewhere safer that may take longer. A grind for Red in vanilla HGSS can still take hours even with speed up, and it's easy to get impatient which is also part of the risk. If you get impatient, you're more likely to make mistakes or say that a grind is good enough when you're at what you consider a high enough level and can't have a calculator tell you if the level actually is good enough or not. That's part of the game, it's a human element of it. It's no fucking wonder that people who have the calculator play the game for them are so insistent on cutting out any aspect of the game even remotely human.
>>59027487>cheating to save time is gay>but cheating that was built into my zoomerslop emutrash to save time is okyou don't like pokemon
>>59028509>100x speedup while holding down turbomash A on pokemon 25 levels below me? IM PLAYING THE GAME AKSUALLYno.
>>59028520This. Either commit to the grinding fully, which everyone does in vanilla already, or go for the candies. Any gray area bullshit will make you go closer to the latter.
>>59028529>which everyone does in vanilla already99% of nuzlocketrannies use speed up tho. it's still cheating but they haven't caught on for over 20 years
>>59028543What I mean is it's a slippery slope.>2x speedup? It was a thing in Stadium, it's fine>10x speedup? I'm still putting in the inputs to grind, it's fine>Speedup with turbo? Nintendo had turbo controllers back in the day, it's fine>More exp cheat codes? Some romhackers have Gameshark codes in their docs, it's fine>Rare candies? New romhacks have candy bags now, it's fineSpeedupfags should stop being a bitch.
>>59027489Nah, I haven't played any of the switch games. Haven't finished a game since Black 2 because everything that came after was dogshit.
>>59028572Why the fuck would you even use speedup with turbo, that sounds retarded. Unless you're button mashing against actual baby mons that could easily get you killed during harder grinds that you actually have to pay attention during and it will kill any shiny encounter you might get without even giving you a chance to catch it. And you still have to switch up your moves when you run out of PP, assuming the moves you have are even good against what you're grinding against in the first place. Why do nuzlockes make people fucking retarded
>>59028637>Why the fuck would you even use speedup with turboto mash through the menus and dialogue, are you fucking stupid?
>>59028637>and it will kill any shiny encounter>caring about imperfect wild shiniesLOLEBack in my day we would grind the day care with our Japanese Dittos to get a perfect HP shiny of any mon we wanted.
>>59028637>Why the fuck would you even use speedup with turboYou clearly don't grind. Did you forget about all the menuing and dialog boxes a single wild battle has?>that could easily get you killed during harder grindsWhy would I need to do a harder grind if speedup and turbo on low level mons would make up for any time I would've saved?>you still have to switch up your moves when you run out of PPYou can toggle speedup and turbo. Really not an issue.Jesus christ you are retarded.
