The Pokopia plot really pisses me off from a world building standpoint. Just goes against everything that makes the series.>Abandon your pokemon >Pokemon trapped in some sort of stasis>Mankind colonized space I’m supposed to believe that Oak would just abandon all the Pokemon in Pallet and fuck off to space? That the core idea of the bonds between man and pokemon were just tossed out the window? This is some 3edgy shit that Gamefreak will never address again despite it having huge implications for the series
>>59023258still better writing and lore than anything from Game Freak
>>59023266trvke
>>59023258>zamn this fanfiction is CRAZY
>>59023258>This is some 3edgy shitshut up bitch
>>59023266
>>59023494Koei clearly did the heavy lifting, game freak probably just supervised/provides the dex entries and other background info so Koei could protray Pokémon correctly and make the right references to the correct places, etc. Also how is TPC a developer? TPC is just Nintendo, Creatures, and Game Freak. If it’s saying all three helped Koei then why is Game Freak mentioned again
>>59023510Creatures Inc makes all the pokemon 3D models.
>>59023258>This is some 3edgy shit that Gamefreak will never address again despite it having huge implications for the seriesI mean they kinda already did that with the Mega Evolution dex entries in gen 7.
>>59023258It's just following what the Dragon Quest Builders games were, what if scenarios for the old games' stories that provide a "rebuilding post-apocalypse" setting
>>59023510GF would most likely be the one providing the lore, when they were involved.
Is it explicitly stated that ALL Pokemon were left behind? Taking all wild pokemon for example would be a huge headache, I can see humanity saving the pokemon that were caught too, well some of them, breeders with the boxes full of IV rejects would leave them behind.
So why did Ben decide to drown, exactly?
>>59023655he didn't actually drown they put him in the going into games machine
>>59023655Ben is in my computer
>>59023625Why wouldn't the box system work in space? It's wireless now
>>59023258They have met with a terrible fate
>>59023655He was sacrificed
>>59023510>game freak probably just supervised/provides the dex entries and other background infoSo why doesn't GF get development credits in any other Pokemon spinoff they provided references for? Also supervision isn't development. Nintendo doesn't get development credits for games from their IPs not developed by them like Minish Cap or Super Mario RPG, despite overseeing production>Also how is TPC a developerThey aren't, that's a mistake from Bulbapedia
>>59023625Some notes repeatedly mention the seperation of humans from pokemon Team Plasma would be proud, with humanity evacuating into space and pokemon being stored in a Super-PC.There is no mention of some pokemon being taken into space as well, so we could assume they were all left behind on Earth.
>>59023258>Mankind colonized spaceThis was implied to happen in one of the USUM alternate timelines. Just consider it an elseworld story or something.
>>59023258Pokopia stated that it took place centuries after the mainline games; meaning that whatever happened is mostly caused by human activities reaching to the point that the planet slowly start to fail as it's unable to withstand it.
>>59024039In the ending you see a ditto in the space station the human comes out from
>>59023258I thought all humans were killed off.
>>59024219In a world where every few years a legendary pokemon wakes up and risks fucking up the world it's only a matter of time until it happens again and nobody notices until it's too late
>>59024219>meaning that whatever happened is mostly caused by human activitiesstill no evidence of this btw. pokemon is canonically a sustainable society that solved global warming
>>59025217just because they solve global warming doesn't mean they have other environmental issues to worry about. Besides, it could be a freak phenomenon that drove humans off of the planet.
>>59025217>solved global warmingHumans did nothing, Rayquaza is the one who protects the ozone.
>>59023510This is like saying Platinum Games only worked on the engine and assets for Star Fox Zero
Posting to trigger zeldafagshttps://youtu.be/473G80r1T_w
>>59025348https://web.archive.org/web/20121127174918/http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/11/23/pok-233-mon-39-s-burning-questions.aspx>"It’s the type of place, the Pokémon world, where problems we face on Earth just wouldn’t happen. There wouldn’t be global warming, water shortages, or anything like that."
>>59023258The only reason this game is coming is bc their marketing team knows its big $$$. Thats all these nips care about.
>>59024048>ElseworldsPokefags aren't ready that shit lol
>>59025597I would welcome a game set on an Ultra Space planet with a full Ultra Beast dex. Completely alien Pokemon on an unfamiliar world.
>>59025199It's a plushie.
>>59025574>There wouldn’t be global warming, water shortages, or anything like thatYou're in Ohmori's world now, anon.
>>59023258It's time to understand GF doesnt treat pokemon as a consistent franchise but rather as something like the Simpsons.The generational gimmicks immediately thrown away afterward should be a big clueThey dont give a shit and the "lore" is jusf whatever they find cool at the moment
>>59023258>>59023266It’s quite literally the exact same storyline Gamefreak used for the Guzzlord world in USUM.
>>59025634we already had gen 5
>>59025574>Teraleak DP notes mention that Galactic is specifically a manifestation of rampant capitalism’s destruction of the environment, with the Sharpedo overhunting example given that would later make it into the SM dex entry>Lt. Surge is an American patriot who fought for oil in the Middle East and electrocuted foreigners with his Pikachu>Ultra Beasts all hail from alternate timelines that were ruined from ecological disasters>Kyogre in mythology literally appeared before people who were suffering from water shortages >Grimer and Muk exist>Kalos fought a war with itself over resources and it ended with AZ nuking almost all of the population >Cyrus is explicit commentary on the soul crushing experience that is Japanese parenting, especially for autists>Ghetsis built N’s castle with abused Pokemon slave labor >Lysandre is mentioned to have been a philanthropist who deliberately helped the poor, who were suffering from resource shortages of their own>pretty much everything Team Rocket does in Gens 1-2>Farfetch’d and Lapras overhunting tooMost of these were written into the games by Masuda himself. Is he stupid?
>>59027187These discrepancies only reinforce people believing alternate theories about anything in the pokeworld.Also>Emma was an orphan living on the streets>Sea Mauville and New Mauville still containing potentially dangerous materials, as those responsible didn't bother clearing those sites.>Work ethics under Greater Mauville Holdings>Infinity Energy is derived from the life force of pokemon by torturing / sacrificing them
>>59025580As opposed to US Americans who work for the love of the game?
>>59025574That's the PR talk. The actual Pokemon world is nowhere near as utopic in actuality, and only seems that way 99% of the time because you're playing as an 11-16 year old child who only cares about their Pokemon journey.The moment you step into unfamiliar and unfriendly territory (PLA) or play as an implied young adult (LZA) the harsh reality of the world starts to show itself, and not in an optional side area.A pure utopia where no problems exist would not give birth to radical environmentalists like Magma/Aqua (who should not exist if environmental concerns do not exist), nor would it lead to a societal failure that mindbroke and spiritbroke Cyrus so hard that he wanted to erase the universe to make a new one with him as its God and sole inhabitant, or a societal failure that mindbroke and spiritbroke Lysandre so hard that he wanted to commit omnicide out of an extreme belief that humanity must die, and because Pokemon love humans too much, Pokemon must die too so they do not suffer from the loss of their human companions (both of whom should not exist in the way we know them if society is healthy and nourishing).
>>59023622>When thinking about potential new approaches for the franchise, Ohmori began to dwell on his earliest work in the series as a map designer on Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, and thought it would be appealing for fans to be able to create their own Pokémon habitatsOhmori you fucking idiot all you had to do was make Mario Maker but for the Gen 3 engine
>>59023665this is actually the ben drowned lore now btw, the newer shit's weird
>>59027519I think he was talking about environmental and political issue being not as severe as what we're currently experiencing. Regardless, I think the the main cause of the Anomalies are the change in Polarity on the Planet itself; especially when it also effect the earth as well (volcanoes stop erupting).
>>59027137Remnants of an ancient past.
>>59023258You forgot that OR/AS and Sun/Moon literally set this up by saying "there are literal doomed universes out there."
>>59027137A lot of people misunderstand this one, I guess I don't blame them.Official site states Galarian Corsola was caused by a meteor strike. The "climate change" they're referring to is prehisyorix and not anthropogenic, hence why G. Corsola is not found in the sea but desert. Of course it's certainly inspired by bleached coral irl but there isn't some recent phenomenon in the Pokemon world causing the Corsola to die off like we have.>>59027187SM dex entries state there is now an overabundance of Lapras after conservation efforts, and Muk numbers are decreasing due to leas pollution. Galarian Weezing's entry implies pollution was present long ago but isn't anymore. Most of your examples just support what Masuda said. That ecological crises our world face are no longer and issue in the Pokémon world. Much like Star Trek, they figured a lot of stuff out. The references to pollution and endangered species is usually referred to in a past tense or generations early in the timeline. The closest we get to allegorical ecological crises in modem Pokemon is Chairman Rose worrying about an energy shortage, which parallels 80s era concerns about fossil fuels running out due to being nonrenewable.
>>59028057Even the anime shows very green sources of energy
>>59028057Hence the crisis isn't man made, just natural; as >>59027965 suggested.
>>59028129I'm open to that interpretation and also the idea that whatever crises happened are allegorical. Mewtwo says human messed around with science so it's likely manmade.I was mainly arguing that what Masuda said in the interview makes sense and isn't a contradiction
>>59028142It could also be natural and can't be prevented nor created by neither man or mon.
>>59028057>SM dex entries state there is now an overabundance of Lapras after conservation effortsWhich the same entries are stating has led to a a massive decline in the fish pokemon population, in the waters where Lapras has been reintroduced. Overabundance is still an ecological issue, and one that has negatively impacted the environment to a similar extent to extinction/extirpation in real life. SM’s entries aren’t “fixing” the issue so much as they are tilting the ecological imbalance in a different direction. Ultra Wormholes are also a natural phenomenon in universe, which lead to the introduction of species that burn forests down, swallow mountains and rivers, and are known to be what the government sacrifices abducted and brainwashed innocent people to. SM also introduced a literal trailer park that Plumeria’s family (her grandmother is in game), among others, hails from, with the leaks stating that said neighborhood is propped up with donations from areas like Plumeria’s stolen Team Skull money. Aether’s houses for orphaned children are also confirmed in the same leaks to be Lusamine’s method for indoctrinating native Alolan youth, and the fact that Aether exists at all is testament to environmental and ecological issues existing in the Pokemon verse, like Hau mentions.Masuda is legitimately just full of shit, and is known to take the piss in every interview.
>>59023258>KING KONG
>>59027450>>59028199SM/USUM also outright has multiple sidequests and characters related to poverty and homelessness.
>>59028199>>59028213Like I said, the politcal, socioeconomial, and ecological issues exist within the Pokémon world; just not as severe as ours.
>>59028199i don't think anyone was saying the society is perfect, people have money problems all the time in pokemon even zai thought he just meant pokemon doesn't have the same issues we have, just different ones. we don't exactly have problems with ultra wormholes in real life or superpowered animals that can light things on fire. i didn't see any part of the interview that said there's no money problems or capitalism problems, nor that they didn't have ANY problems
>>59023523To be fair it’s meant to be the lore reason not just anyone can use mega evolution; it takes a very strong bond and synergy to mega evolve in a way that overcomes all those drawbacks.They got the idea from the anime.
>>59023258>This is some 3edgy shit that Gamefreak will never address again despite it having huge implications for the seriesTo be fair when does this take place? Is there ever any kind of idea? Some people said hundreds of years, but others say less. Is it even the same dimension? We had some kind of timeline split around ORAS that implied it's a different dimension where Megas exist. I feel like trying to make sense of it all is kind of retarded anyway
>>59028305Decades or centuries after the stories of the mainline games took place. Regardless, it's irrelevant to the plot of upcoming games, like WiWa or Champions.
This is why Palworld's world makes more sense this a world where freind and foe is made by your choice, in a harsh world that will easily kill you if you do not rise up and tame it.A world where forces will lay waste, where factions seek to carve their domain, because that is how that world operates.It has no delusions that the world is anything more then survival of the fittest.
>>59028305>We had some kind of timeline split around ORAS that implied it's a different dimension where Megas existThere's zero text in the game that says that. The only alternate dimension shit is poorly written explanations of shit that we already new from side content in Gen 5 and would be re-stated properly in Gen 7.
>>59028412Episode delta is entirely about multiverse theory.
>>59028444Okay, where does it say it's another timeline? Where does it say it split? Where does it imply there's only two of them? Why did you reference the ORAS one not written by the main writer whose Tweet you posted and not a Gen 7 title which were written by him and were extremely explicit about how it worked?
why the fuck didnt they just make the setting pmd-land and skip all the retarded fleeing into space shit?
>>59028467Because PMD is cancer to reviewers
>>59028478thats purely because they get filtered by the gameplay
>>59028444Zinna simply provide an example that using the link system would shift the problem to someone else, which is irresponsible for them to do so. She sincerely believed that only Rayqauza can destroy the meteor and save Hoenn, which explains her desperation to mega evolve it for said task.
>>59028467Because the game is developed by Koei Tecmo; Mystery Dungeon are Chunsoft's Property. TPCi wanted an life sim for Pokémon with no battles in sight.
>>59025217Tell me you didn't play the game without telling me you didn't play the game.Through reports you find out Team Rocket caused a huge ecological disaster of some kind. Humans decided to try to save the wild pokemon by storing them in a massive PC storage system like they are Digimon then bailed into outer space.So yes there is evidence of this in the fucking game.
>>59028496there is nothing preventing them from using a similar setting. >no battles in sight.there are plenty of towns and villages and peaceful areas in pmd, not everything is filled to the brim with mons that attack on sight
>>59028467Pokopia might be a prequel to Mystery Dungeon actually, it's never explained why humans are gone in those games and Pokopia provides a reasonable enough explanation.
>>59028511And since its well established people can become fallers and get isekaied into alternate realities, that allows you to still be a human who got turned into a pokemon and pulled into a human less reality through ultra space
>>59023258its a rejected dragon quest builders game maladapted with the pokemon label and sold to people like you who gobble it up. the pokemon name has been sullied for years now. even yarimono has a better plot.
I’m going to be really fucking honest, I couldn’t care less about stories or settings about pokemon after humans or without humans. Pokopia is admittedly a bit different, I’m mainly talking about PMD which people seem to glaze constantly. The spirit of pokemon is monsters AND humans, veering away from that is kinda dumb imho
>>59024039Anon, some people did keep their Pokemon and took them into space but I imagine it was like the champion level trainers and the current leader of Team R. Check Prof diary 3.
>>59028240I guess most have an issue with this quote >>59025574 as it claims that nothing bad as in our world would ever happen (..."or anything like that" = wars, riots, genocides, rape, slavery, scams, ...), when any media shows or implies the existence of those things. The anime as an example had multiple instances of military vehicles (e.g. the Fighter Jet racing Garchomp, missle submarines) or weapons (e.g. missiles, guns) shown, whose existence wouldn't make sense unless there are threats requiring the production of military assets, like potential conflicts. And before someone mentions it, some cases appeared way later than Gen1-2.If he phrased it like that:>"While the world in Pokémon faces challenges similar to our world, most were solved due to their technological advancements and the help of pokemon."then there wouldn't be a reason for criticism as it acknowledges existing issues while keeping the optimistic tone.>>59028240>we don't exactly have problems with [...] superpowered animals that can light things on fire.According to most mythologies, there were firespewing dragons, but then we upgraded our pointy sticks and the rest is legend.>>59028394We could have (modern) wars or any man-made horrors in the lore, but GF decided to take a different turn after Gen1 (consider the scrapped soldier trainer sprite in Gen2).
I just hope we keep getting more clean energy propaganda in our next game. AIfags and people in third world countries need captain planet.
>>59028616>We could have (modern) wars or any man-made horrors in the lore, but GF decided to take a different turn after Gen1 (consider the scrapped soldier trainer sprite in Gen2).I think that was for the best. A lot of media does that already and the more optimistic vibe of Pokémon made it stand out more.
>>59028651My dumb ass thought these were Pokemon types before clicking
>>59028517Except that's not what happened. The ditto is explicitly said to be mimicking the appearance of their original trainer
>>59028699These are gonna part of the 18 trials in gen 10 from the leaks. I hope you'll enjoy the gender equality trial!
>ITT: People who didn't play Pokopia argue about Pokopia
>>59028713Are you okay?
>>59028616>If he phrased it like that: >>"While the world in Pokémon faces challenges similar to our world, most were solved due to their technological advancements and the help of pokemon." >then there wouldn't be a reason for criticism as it acknowledges existing issues while keeping the optimistic tone. This, though be more vague about politcs.
>>59028713rent free
>>59028666True, Satan, though sometimes it would make the society appear more capable and relatable if they deployed any kind of investigative or defensive forces to deal with criminals or doomsday cults. In most cases, they either do nothing or react only after shit nearly hit the fan (as in B2W2) and mainly rely on your local 10-year-old prodigy to solve these problems (which, as of USUM, can fail).
>>59028717well yeah who the fuck is buying a switch 2
>>59028591>The spirit of pokemon is monsters AND humansNo, it was always been about the monsters themselves. The anime just highlighted the obvious. And it's why the games' story are so barebones to begin with.
>>59023258I genuinely fucking hate the existence of this dogshit game and it's fuckass lorenot to mention the people reacting to it like it's shakespear when it's the most basic post-apocalyptical drivel ever
>>59028703We’re talking about mystery dungeon lore to fit into the pokopia dimension
>>59028938Well the two are incompatiable anyway and most PMD fans forget that humans:1. Still exist in that world.2. Regularly get turned into Pokemon.3. The Mcs are always human turned Pokemon.4. The lore for this game has 100% of Game Freak's attention which can't be said about PMD.5.The MC is still human at the end of the day. They'll never truly be a Pokemon in that regard.
>>59028912>No, it was always been about the monsters themselvesPokemon is literally inspired by Satoshi’s childhood of collecting little bugs and creatures by home town, it’s “the story of a boy’s summer day”. The human element of catching was there from the very beginning, why are you spouting bullshit?
It would be better if the humans discovered they were actually FROM space and that's why they're so different from all of the pokemon
>>59023258Uhm, don't you know, anon, that this is simply another possibility within the multiverse :^) It doesn't mean this is the only outcome that could happen after your playthrough of Pokemon Red/Blue Version(tm)!...sigh.
>>59028591Truthnuke. Only hardcore furries love PMD
>>59028591Its funny because it doesn't even do that properly. There's still a need for humans in PMD but most of the fans forget that they're playing a human turned Pokemon.
>>59027187>Lt. Surge is an American patriot who fought for oil in the Middle East and electrocuted foreigners with his PikachuHe's so based.
>>59028963I mean it by it's popularity. Not by creator's intention. Niggy
How can I tell which city I am in? I assumed the first one was Fuschia because you get Koga's outfit. But then I got Misty's hair so I'm not sure
>>59028932It's the best Pokémon game in years
>>59029435It's Fuchsia. When the set pieces and general layout don't make it immediately obvious, the tell is usually from the coloration of the manmade tiles since they match the colors used for LGPE's versions of the towns.
>>59023584ThisDQ builders 1, iirc, follows the timeline split of the hero accepting the deal from the dragonlord, to rule Half of the World (a shitty cabin).No implications that this is following any sort of canon, just using a deviation to justify "shit's broke, go fix it"
>>59029111>There's still a need for humans in PMD but most of the fans forget that they're playing a human turned Pokemon.Because most of the time this plot point becomes irrelevant. It's always the beginning and the end that matters but in the 90% of middle portion just ignores it. With post game becomes very apparent.
>>59028932You lost paltranny. Consider suicide.
>>59029185>>59029432>>59029488Hmm, interesting how when /pol/ enters a thread all civilized conversations stop.
is this the pokopia thread now?
Do you guys rebuild the broken buildings on their original foundation? I figured that's what the intention was. But can they be used for Pokémon homes if they don't have a loading screen interior?
>>59029535>But can they be used for Pokémon homes if they don't have a loading screen interior?Yes, they can also be used as your home too, you just need a surrounded area with a door into it. (And three furniture items for it to meet the minimum requirements for comfort I think.) You'll know when you have it setup right since it'll show up as unoccupied.
>>59029535yeah, actually the larger kits are just block prefabs you can build yourself. Any enclosed walls with a door is considered a house, although you need enough room for furniture for a pokemon to want to move in.
>>59029432>by it’s popularityEvery single mainline pokemon game revolves around you, the player, a human, catching and befriending pokemon, and every single game has sold like gangbusters. The relationship between pokemon and trainer is a core part of the franchise whether you agree or not
>>59029488Actually it seems Nintendo lost that palworld lawsuit so hard they've gone into the petulant legal tantrum stage
>>59029587ThisThe kits are kind of a scam/might be useful if the game starts choking under having to render too much.Just build your own huts
>>59029587>>59029586That's actually great. So you can legitimately build Animal Crossing tier towns but instead of animals it's your favorite Pokémon? Isn't that kinda kino?
>>59023258>PUH PUH PUH POKOPIAS PLOT IS EDGY AND DARK GIESt. autistic 13 y.o. that makes sonic.exe fnf mods and tells you kirby isnt for kids because the final boss bleeds
>>59029725I set up a smelter with the Charmander line and built like a blacksmith are and house for them so they can be near the crafting area so I dont have to go looking for them and they'll just make ingots without me telling them
>>59029461Most Pokemon at the don't even know your an actual human until later and later in the series, it becomes very common knowledge amongst Pokemon that humans tend to become Pokemon there. It'll never not be relevant to PMD regardless of how PMD fans feel about it and want to ignore humans.
>>59029511>everything I don't agree with is a /pol/nigger>>59029608>Every single mainline pokemon game revolves around you, the player, a human, catching and befriending pokemon, and every single game has sold like gangbusters. The relationship between pokemon and trainer is a core part of the franchise whether I don't know how to readAgain, It's not about the creators intention nor claiming that humans on the mainline games are nothing burger; it's like saying that humans don't matter in kaiju movies. There are a lot of iconic human characters in the franchise and some do have compelling story as well (N for example).And honestly, the anime did it WAY better at showcasing the relationship between human and pokemon than the games do.I was talking about on a business standpoint, however. Gladly you used games as a example because all of mainline Pokemon front box arts are all feature the creatures in that game, there's no human there outside of the back of the box.Some of the songs from the anime is called "PokeRap" which is just the 151 pokemon in rap song.Fucking hell, the entire marketing at the time was "Gotta Catch Em All!!"
>>59030038ESL aside>it becomes very common knowledge amongst Pokemon that humans tend to become Pokemon thereAnd your average joe here doesn't mind that you're a human unless it's something related to a catastrophe i.e Gengar's fearmongeling. The writing in PMD games are questionable when it comes to it's isekai potion. At worst, you have Explorers when in the beginning it implied that by a storm you're transformed into a pokemon; later on it's getting better by the introduction of Grovyle. Until after you go to the future where it stated that you and Grovyle came from said future, the same pokemon only world. It's one of the cases where the writers forgot the isekai shit until it's too late.
>>59023678True
>>59023258Dragon Quest Builders was also set in an alternate timeline where the hero was a a piece of shit and doomed the world
>>59025569I wish this was the ending instead of whatever the fuck it is now
