I read the interview and it genuinely seemed like ORAS were a work of inspired passion. I am shocked that it seems to get hated on just because it lacks battle frontier, which hardly anyone even experienced. What it does have is way way better by comparison. What's your excuse for not loving these remakes?
>I am shocked that it seems to get hated onWhat Pokémon related thing does not get hated on?
>>59025360>What it does have is way way better by comparison.Which is?
These games are the best 3Ds pokemon games ever made
>>59025360Shut up, Masuda. We want full-fledged pokemon RPGs, not mobilephoneslop.
>>59025368Nobody hates on Pokemon Rangers
>>590253753D graphics, cinematic cutscenes, DexNav, sneaking, day & night, soaring around the world, moving diagonally, mega evolutions, online system, amine training, more stuff that escapes me.
>>59025429Are you saying these are why you don't like the games?
>>59025360They're good games, but mostly because, well, they're remakes of already good games. And they're kind of hurt by RSE having such a robust romhacking scene, because at this point you can play Emerald with all of the worthwhile gameplay improvements like Dexnav, day-night cycles, megas, and more that ORAS doesn't even have. So really the only reason to play one or the other comes down to little things like visual style and music, and I have to say I prefer RSE in that department. The original graphics and soundfont are timeless to me, whereas ORAS sits in that kind of an awkward handheld-3D zone. So ORAS just feel kind of pointless to me, although I'll admit it's in large part due to fan efforts to make RSE so much better. Judging by just the base games, it would be a much closer competition. But I'm not gonna pretend like I live in a vacuum where romhacks don't exist.
Ambition doesn't mean the work won't end up as shit and sloppy.Pic related
>>59025527>you can play Emeraldfuck that, I hate gen 3 so god damn much
>>59025360ORAS is my favorite Pokémon game together with FRLG.
>>59025360if ORAS included both team aqua and team magma the way emerald did and included emerald's battle frontier it would genuinely be the best pokemon game
>>59025998Why would ORAS, remakes of RS, include both teams?
>>59025998It goes against the spirit of those games. You do realize that Ruby & Sapphire are really the only games that actually have distinct stories between versions, right?
>>59025360>just because it lacks battle frontier, which hardly anyone even experiencedOh, fuck off.And it wouldn't have gotten so much hate if they didn't put the big fuck you of a "battle frontier project has been started!" thing on that island.
>>59025429>3D graphics, cinematic cutscenesThese were bad.>sneaking>moving diagonally>amine traininlol>day & nightOnly the visual effect. The passage of time is in the originals, it just wasn't meant to timegate anything besides growing berries.>mega evolutionsGimmicky trash.
>>59026049>>59026007Why didn’t they just remake emerald so you can have both?
ORAS are amazing Pokémon games, and anyone who doesn't appreciate ORAS wouldn't appreciate a good Pokemon game even if it hit them in the face.For years, I had been gaslighted into hating ORAS because of muh Battle Frontier and other similar things. Until I replayed ORAS and realized that it's the best game in the franchise. It has so much content that people don't talk about, because they're busy talking about the Meme Frontier, which is pathetic.
>>59026056You have terrible taste. Mega Evolutions is the best feature in Pokemon.
>>59026083Dynamax is better. Mega designs look stupid and they never even get featured properly in the games, like in XY you face like 4 guys with megas in the whole game.
>>59025360They were piss easy and it should have included the frontier. Every remake before was based on the 3rd definitive version.
>>59026100FRLG wasn't based on Yellow. Unless you consider Japanese Blue to be the third version of Gen 1.
>>59026100All pokemon games are piss easy. They are made for children.
>>59025360It insulted my intelligence because I'm not retarded.
>>59026093>Dynamax is betterNo it's not
>>59026114You sure about that?
>>59026067Because Emerald sucks.
>>59026054You deserved a big fuck you, I don't like battle frontier, I'm pretty much done with a game after the elite four and preparing to move Pokemon to the next game.
>>59026056I guess Streetpass is just gimmick trash too? you're such a colossal faggot. Shove nostalgia goggles up your ASS.
>>59026081Exactly, it's like these fags are literally allergic to high quality. That's why they bend over backwards to buy FRLG.
>>59026156Kek fr tho. Blows my mind people are dumb enough to blow $20 on that shit when you can get it for free AND those same people shit on actually good games like ORAS
>>59026093>Dynamax is better.SAID NOBODY EVER
>>59026100Easy compared to what? just box the Latios/Latias
>>59026156Actually, FRLG is a great game too.I would say that FRLG is my favorite 2D Pokemon game and my favorite pre-Mega Pokemon game.And ORAS is my favorite 3D Pokemon game and my favorite post-Mega Pokemon game I love both maybe equally.
>>59026146>you deserve less because I'm a speedrunning retardkill yourself, tourist faggot.
>>59026161FRLG is an actually great game, like ORAS.FRLG is the best old-school Pokemon game and ORAS is the best new-school Pokemon game.
>>59026169Hated FRLG, there's so many strange decisions in that game and I find it graphically atrocious. You needed like 5 games, 2 consoles, and a link cable to complete the dex during gen 3. During gen 6 you just needed XY & ORAS.
>>59026049Is it really that distinct? I've only played Sapphire, but I thought everything was pretty much the same in Ruby, except it being dry instead of wet. I'm playing White now, and the story seems to be about the same level of difference from Black as Ruby is from Sapphire.
>>59026176>speedrunning>game is literally finishedu wot m8
>>59026193>it literally isn't
>>59026191The story and battles are all different yeah, different cutscenes and such.
>>59026197Ruby & Sapphire do not have battle frontier, newfag.
>>59026177There's far and above away better oldschool versions in the romhacking community. If you have a 3DS you can move Pokemon from romhacks into Home if you wished.
>>59025360>I read the interview and it genuinely seemed like ORAS were a work of inspired passionlol what a fucking lie >worse performance than a game from 2004>less difficulty than a game from 2004>less content than a game from 2004>more railroading than a game from 2004>uglier visuals than a game from 2004ORAS are fucking dogshit
>>59026211I'm kinda autistic and I only play official Pokemon games lol
>>59026230my condolences
>>59026227>walking around in the forest>hear the cry of a distinct Pokemon>turn on DexNav and sneak up on it>distinct modeled tail can be seen rustling in the grass>afterward the R/S/E sprite is added to the mapKINO
>>59026230Based same
>>59026056Found the genwunnerfag
>>59026093>Dynamax is betterNice bait, you got anons riled up
>>59026227I don't have the image, but in the Official ORAS Strategy Guide interview with Masuda and Ohmori, they literally said this:Masuda: We've made ORAS into DEEP games that can also answer to the needs of those who want to experience RICH GAMEPLAY, and not just games to be picked up when you want to pass a bit of time.Ohmori: if people are able to play the games FOR A LONG TIME, it would be my joy as a developerSo yes, a lot of care was out into ORAS.
>>59026146>I don't like battle frontier, I'm pretty much done with a game after the elite four and preparing to move Pokemon to the next game.Purely objective, retard.
>>59026274put* into
Wow some anons get really butthurt over the battle frontier kek
>>59025415With review scores like THAT, I imagine only the giga-cucked were actually buying and playing Rangers.
>>59026268I unironically like it, not baiting. Why are anons getting riled up over it?
>>59026276Yeah battle frontier just sucks that much.
>>59026189>there's so many strange decisions in that gameThere are a few strange decisions in FRLG but it's nothing major, really. It's mainly just Crobat, Blissey and a few others not being able to evolve before the postgame. But that's completely intentional and it has to do with the fact that Satoshi Tajiri was closely overseeing the entire development of FRLG, and he wanted to preserve the feeling of his original creation as much as possible.>and I find it graphically atrociousI love FRLG's graphics, personally. They're also much better than RSE's graphics imo.>You needed like 5 games, 2 consoles, and a link cable to complete the dex during gen 3Valid point, but that's a Gen 3 problem, not only a FRLG problem. And honestly, it's not a problem for me because I've never cared about completing the Pokedex. I only completed the Pokedex in Legends Arceus, and I only did it because it was mandatory
>>59026426>hey're also much better than RSE's graphics imo.Gen 3 is entirely hideous lol. It also makes no sense for the game to start with a tutorial, and then have Oak explain the same things in a quicker more engaging way, or to be given pokeballs to catch pokemon, and then later to stop the player and force them a tutorial on catching pokemon which you already figured out on your own, and for your battle with your rival to have another tutorial on battles, there's more stuff. Point is Gen 1 handled these things way way better than Gen 3 did. I really do not like Gen 3, it's the epitome of everything wrong or that can be wrong with Pokemon.
>>59025360I do love them. But that’s because I love Hoenn in general.
>>59025360>What's your excuse for not loving these remakes?Laziness by the developers.
>>59026832Objectively false, I saw the interviews, I experienced the games. You are fake and in fact gay.
>>59026083I'm sorry XY were your first games, but the franchise was far more playable when Game Freak didn't feel the need to spam these unbalanced piece of shit style over substance mechanics.>>59026150Wtf does streetpass have to do with anything? Was that all you could come up with?>>59026263Why would a genwunner specifically shit on ORAS mechanics/changes and defend the original gen 3 games?
>>59025360>What's your excuse for not loving these remakes?They nerf all the dungeons, because they were afraid ten year old kids would get lost in them and drop the game altogether. Shit, even the Trick house was affected by this loosing two levels.
>>59025360>What's your excuse for not loving these remakes?>the retarded decision to not have character customization to keep it unique to XY>all the added forced healing cucking my poisoned Swellow>giving the player mega evolution when barely any trainers use it but at least it’s better than XY >more forced tutorials that weren’t needed in the original games >that entire Lati segment that’s pointless if you decide not to use it since you can’t soar until after you defeat Groudon/Kyogre>no Game Corner substitute >May/Brendan is still a dogshit rival even with all the extra cutscenes they added>rewrites the entire lore of the Hoenn region to connect it with AZ and Kalos. >everything in the Delta episode before fug shows up
>>59025360ORAS have been my favorite pokemon games since their release. Who the fuck cares about a battle frontier, I never played it in the originals either. Games are meant to have endings and not just go on forever. Plus we got a lot of good shit.>2nd screen dex completion/route crowns (why the FUCK isnt this in every game since)>chaining encounters to get hidden or egg moves/abilities>delta episode>overworld flightLike am I supposed to bitch because there isnt a slogan of treadmill content shoveled in at the end? If anything I'm glad it's out to free up dev time for shit that mattered.
>>59025360>What's your excuse for not loving these remakes?Slop character redesigns that are worse in every caseForced cutscenes and linearity Didn't adapt anything Emerald did for literally no reasonMusic sucksStupid design choices like turning Mauville into a shopping mall
>>59025360>I read the interview and it genuinely seemed like ORAS were a work of inspired passionWell I actually played the games and they were dogshit, and I'm an hoenbabby who back in the day was wearing 3 pairs of rose tinted glasses
>>59025360>Work of passion>Trainers including important npcs have pokemon with default level up moves so they're no different from a wild battle
ORAS was mid as hell. Though BDSP showed how bad it could get, ORAS hangs in Emerald's shadow and is brutally mogged by HGSS>>59027732Delta episode genuinely sucked ass. The gameplay was just flying to one spot for 3seconds of cutscene and a battle against an aqua/magma grunt, then repeating for 2 hours while getting bits of a completely nonsensical loredump delivered by a detested character. Soaring was neat from a conceptual level but didn't make up for how much we lost from Emerald.Yes, the battle frontier mattered, but also Emerald is the only version of gen 3's story that isn't pants on head retarded, fighting both teams is objectively more interesting from a story standpoint and gave more for the player to do from a gameplay standpoint.ORAS simply didn't improve enough on RS to make the lack of E content worth it, so it's carried hard by Megas and PSS and is otherwise kinda forgotten about, meanwhile people still hype the fuck out of HGSS because it was everything good about GSC but with even more stuff.ORAS did ace contests though, that's what keeps it out of D tier for me.
>>59028010Oh man you got bits of story between battles with trainers? So a pokemon game? You played a pokemon game and didnt like it? Boy, you have such a valuable opinion on this.
>>59026067MONEY!
>>59025429>onlineyeah the online sure is great now is it
>>59028016the fact that you're being so reductive to dog ass gameplay shows how little of an argument you have tbhdesu
>>59028181Its only sounds reductive because thats the natural result of describing your statement when you say nothing.
Gen 6 was the last time I was excited for pokemon games to come out, conversely, Gen 6 was such a letdown that I skipped out on the entire franchise until I got Violet in a white elephant party.>Hyped for XY>comes out and literally bricks your save on launch, new pokemon designs are mid, game is a joke difficulty wise, generational gimmick is both shillmon extraordinaire and mostly locked to the postgame, the move to 3d cucked a shitload of pokemon and stole their aura(rip my nigga electross) and the region itself is underwhelming"o-okay that was a rough start, but most first games are rough! we'll get the Hoenn remakes and bounce back in Pokemon Z!">Hoenn remakes come out with a dull thud, lobotomized the hoenn region, literally just ruby and sapphire with some emerald content thrown in>None of the good emerald content either, just slop like super secret bases, and a remix of the gen 3 frontier brain theme, even basic shit like gym leaders going back to their RS teams (which fucking sucked) imply a lack of care or interest, but you can't even claim faithfulness as an excuse because enough shit is changed that you have to wonder why they bothered in the first place
>>59025360Most pokefans here or in fandoms>don't read/can't read>don't play it because they love the game and only do it because trend>are fat manchild troons>don't play old games because are too hard for them>even if they never played the game they will have tons of arguments against said game>they will hate a good game if they find something they didn't like
>>59027732>I'm glad it's out to free up dev time for shit that mattered.100% a year later we got entirely new 3D games, why bother with a battle frontier seriously
>>59028294>slop like super secret basesyeah who needs soul when they can just throw together a battle frontier padded with gimmicks?
>>59027732>Who the fuck cares about a battle frontierPeople who like battling and collecting gym badges, you know the whole point of the games?>>2nd screen dex completion/route crowns (why the FUCK isnt this in every game since)Who gives a shit? You complete the dex like normal, this changes nothing.>>chaining encounters to get hidden or egg moves/abilitiesCompetitive slop>>delta episodeCutscene slop>>overworld flightWho gives a shit?
>>59030048>battling and collecting gym badges>the whole point of the gamesThis shit reads like Zeldafags crying about dungeons. You've generalized a franchise or series down to the one element you like the most. What about the rest of them, the other stuff that matters.
>>59030058>What about the rest of them, the other stuff that matters.Like what?The only thing that matters in a mainline pokemon game is making the battling and gyms fun.
>Like what?I rest my case, such a myopic perspective on things.
>>59026759>Gen 3 is entirely hideousnope
>>59030240What case? You couldn't listen anything else that's fun for your argument.>>59030036>game freak can rush games faster if they make less content and that is a good thingchrist, the absolute state of pokefags
>>59026007why did HGSS contain most of the Crystal content?Because Crystal was the definitive gen 2 game, just like Emerald was for gen 3.They were just lazy fags for not taking Emerald as the base and splitting it into RS.I would have even taken just one evil team, but at least put them into their Emerald bases (volcano for magma, sea cave for aqua), as they made more sense.
>>59026109Japanese Blue *is* the de facto 3rd version for gen 1, as it is based on Red/Green, but improves on them and fixes issues the base games had.Sounds familiar? Crystal, Emerald and Platinum did the same (arguably USUM as well for SM, since USUM are basically 3rd versions, but split into two because of jewtendo).Yellow has always been an outlier, a special 4th version. Its title even contains "special" to show that the "special pikachu version" is indeed special.
>>59030036gen 7 getting released a year early is the reason for gen 6 being mediocre, no Z game in gen 6, ORAS lacking most Emerald content.They should have taken their time, fleshed out ORAS a bit more and released that fucking Zed game with southern Kalos to round out gen 6.Additionally, this would have made sure SM are not as underbaked as they were, just look up all the content they cut from the original SM draft.
>>59025360ORAS is better than RS, but you can make a case for it not being better than Emerald.
>>59025368True
>>59031057*throws up into a trashcan*
>>59026007Heart Gold and Soul Silver contain almost everything from Crystal and more. Fire Red and Leaf Green are based on Blue rather than either of the actual originals. Why would late remakes not take from the definitive editions?
>>59032479Lets Go Pikachu is so good, special indeed
Maison is pretty fun but none of you played it
>>59032521Whole new game versus repackaged game, yeah I think we made out like bandits. Then again I like to play games.
>>59034013Yeah, I get why they choose to remake the original titles instead of the third versions like Crystal and Emerald, but there's no excuse for them not putting in as much content from the third version as possible.
>>59025360AI question ahh farming bot
>>59034013Heart Gold and Soul Silver are outliers, alternate versions than Ruby & Sapphire are the same games, Platinum presented new content, it's not in BDSP either.
>>59031057This looks pretty awful ngl
>>59034022A good definitive edition is better than a half-baked new installment. If you like playing games then you appreciate replayability.
ORAS provides more than Emerald but anons are too scared to say it.>no battle frontier!BF was honestly overrated and most players skipped it anyway. Catching the Legendaries were much more fun than it. It still astounds me people shun ORAS simply because it cut post-game content and not recognizing the rest of ORAS is actually pretty fun.
>>59030083World design is much more important than battles. What makes Hoenn fun is that the world is fun to explore. Battles are often the least fun parts of Pokemon games, romhacks included.
>>59025360>it genuinely seemed like ORAS were a work of inspired passion.
>>59025360>>>it genuinely seemed like ORAS were a work of inspired passion.
>>>>>>it genuinely seemed like ORAS were a work of inspired passion.
>>59025360>>>>>>>>it genuinely seemed like ORAS were a work of inspired passion.
>>>>>>>>>it genuinely seemed like ORAS were a work of inspired passion.
>>59034035Sorry, I like whole new games in case you can't tell. I'm how you say, rational and sane.
>>59034087There's two whole cutscenes on 3DS when you take those trips. I guess you need to lie.
>>59030240>>59034038>World design is much more important than battles.I genuinely do not give a single iota of a fuck about anything that isn't battling pokemon. Exploring and catching new pokemon is 2nd to that, but anything more is pointless.>Storydont care>gimmicks like pokemon amiedont care>contestsdont care>picnics dont care>trainer customizationdont care>flying dont care>minigamesdont care
>>59034204I assume he’s referring to not seeing the world around you when you go on the boat
>>59034207Why even play pokemon games? Just play showdown
>>59034266Showdown is ugly and I like battling NPCs
>59034207If you give a shit about battling so much there are better RPG games that could give you that. Also, Pokemon is not known for its battles. The genre isn't for you at all then.
>Also, Pokemon is not known for its battles
>>59034336It’s not. Pokemon is known for its merch. The games just exist to give context for the designs and generations.
>melty>is also a sonicfagThat explains everything.
>>59034372What do you expect from battle autists anon? Unironically they are the ones that complain about everything.
>>59025360>I am shocked that it seems to get hated on just because it lacks battle frontier, which hardly anyone even experiencedI highly doubt that, and besides, excluding something because hardly anyone played it is a dogshit take. Can you even call it a true remake if it cuts original content?
>>59025360Is it worth buying a physical copy of ORAS now that 3DS online is dead?I already have a modded 3DS that I can install ORAS cia on any time but I like the feeling of physical cartridges better.
>>59034253I'm not terribly certain what you mean, you get a cutscene of sailing to Dewford with the captain's Pokemon Peeko flying alongside the ship, it's pure soul. They didn't invent some area exclusive to the cutscene, it's the game world you see the boat sail through.
>>59034207>I genuinely do not give a single iota of a fuck about anything that isn't battling pokemon.Well I for one think Pokemon Collesum sucks ass, I would rather explore and catch Pokemon, faggot.
>>59035040Yes, it remade Ruby and it remade Sapphire, you're upset that not enough Emerald content is in to suit you. Face it, the game is incredible. Battle frontier was hardly people's favorite aspect of Gen 3.
>>59035066why not, maybe in a few years scalpers will get to the 3DS Pokemon games and they'll be worth a lot.
>>59035066>>>>Is it worth buying a physical copy of ORAS now that 3DS online is dead?I strongly advise against this, the cartridges for the game are widely known to be defective from the factory, google about it, it's a well known phenomenon. Just Pirate Pokemon, Just Do It.
When it has less content than the third version of a game that came out 20 years ago, no shit it'll get some hate.Also the final villain who literally tried destroying the world 3 times just to force rayquaza to act, was extremely retarded but the story lets her get away with everything and tries convincing you she was noble and perfect, despite her objectively being one of the most evil characters in the series who is allowed to shit on every other character.
>Emerald has a storyline that incorporates both evil teams, and has a much longer and deeper storyline for both leaders>ORAS has less than half that amount of story
