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Their megas/alt form

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>The world's most forced shillmon that only got into Smash because it was the newest game at the time
Aged like rotten milk. At least the other pokemon characters in smash were popular when they were added, this guy was just obligatory cause pokemon has to have a rep to promote the newest games

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>>59027419
The entire Switch era of Pokemon. It's undeniably the biggest one.

>>59027627
That Grookey has a hole at the bottom

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>>59027419
Not being able to transfer gen 1 and 2 pokemons into gen 3.

>>59027647
/thread. Gen 3 was retarded for this alone.

Mega evos and fairy type

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>>59027647
>>59027686
99% of players never transferred their RBY Pokemon into GSC. It requires an expensive setup or a friend willing to let you borrow their Game Boy for however long.
Nobody outside of terminally online autists was peeved by this.

And anyway, what are you going to do with your Level 100 starter from last gen? Just roll over the story and not catch something new? Transfertards are braindead.

>>59027816
you're a brown zoomer

>>59027581
only feraligatr really

>>59027419
>fight picnicker in route 35
>ooh a pikachu!
>check pokedex for location
>not available in johto

>>59027608
The world's most forced shillmon is Rotom, period.

>>59027419
Not ever getting to experience the in-person events because I didn't live in the coastal side of the country

>>59027816
You weren't even alive back then what the fuck do you know

>>59027816
So what if I do that? Who are you, the fun police?

>>59027608
He's still the most fun Pokemon to use in Smash and it isn't even close

>>59027429
hi kojo

>>59027419
colosseum cucking johto mons from frlg postgame

mother beast lusamine sending out clefable

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>>59027608
>This made TPC so furious that to this day they take out their anger on Incineroar

>>59027835
At least Rotom makes sense because of his gimmick so GF can pokemonize whatever epic electric gimmick tool they come up with for the gameplay

I'm surprised we didn't have a Rotom electric scooter in SV instead of the box legendaries

>>59027419
Lusamine treatment in USUM

>>59027419
Most people didn't play the BF, so not really

>>59027419
Gen 6 as a whole seems to be the biggest letdown, to my recollection being the last time people were genuinely excited for new pokemon games, and their flops paved the way towards the apathy we see now.

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>>59027816
Bro never had Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2 as a kid

>>59028283
you’re describing gen 8, not gen 6

>>59028324
Im not.
Gen 8 was not hyped nearly as much as gen 6. People were pissed about dexit, people were pissed about the wild areas looking like shit. People were still nursing the burn from gen 6 being shit, and were fatigued from Gen 7 breaking the formula for no reason and annoyed that gen 8 didn't seem to be a return to form.

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>>59028340
>Gen 8 was not hyped nearly as much as gen 6
Yes it was. People only began shitting on gen 8 when dexit was announced. You sound like a newfag who wasn’t actually there.

>>59028340
They(I) were also pissed about being told all throughout 2018 that Sword & Shield would be for longtime players, because LGPE were mega casualized.

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>>59028347
>People were tepid by the reveal trailer, feeling burned following Gen 6 and 7, and any cautious optimism to be found was destroyed when the wild areas were revealed and Dexit was announced, leading to people not really being hyped at all
Ok thank you for agreeing with me
>You sound like a newfag who wasn’t actually there.
I was.

>see other kids play pokemon on their DSes
>brokefag so I didn't have Pokemon and no siblings to help me emulate
>ffwd middle school, finally figure shit out
>it's the most boring slop shit ever
Doesn't matter what game it was. Pokemon's only slightly engaging if you use a team of absolute shitters and even then it's obvious you're only thinking about the game because your mon are the monster equivalent of a bald wheelchair-bound downie with no teeth and no larynx

>>59027608
Which Pokémon would they have chosen if Sword and Shield or Scarlet and Violet were the newest games at the time?

>>59028373
>people were burned by gen 6 and 7
>that’s why they rated gen 6 amd 7 highly
Your fanfic has some plotholes, newfag.

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>>59027608
I forgot this faggotmon even got into Smash and I guess I wasn't the only one, what a spectacular failure of a shillmon

Because of the Dexcut, Pokemon fans went into SwSh practically looking to hate it. There was no good will. Every issue was put under a microscope and turned into ad revenue.

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>>59027816
You really sound like someone who wasn't even born when all that shit was relevant. You wouldn't know so shut up retard.

>>59027608
Sakurai only chose him because he was fucking desperate to put a wrestler in the game and he's Japanese enough to fucking love Tiger Mask.

>>59028392
Mainline pokemon games always scored highly, its a recent phenomenon for them to actually get rated below 80.(last game to get rated below 80 was pokemon emerald, so???????)

>>59028428
>its a recent phenomenon for them to actually get rated below 80
Yeah, it’s almost as if people only started disliking pokemon games after dexit, you absolute dumbfuck

>>59027647
That was because of a technical incompatibility between gb and gba, and they redo the entire IV/EV system starting that gen.
You could later transfer them from the 3ds eshop releases.

18 GYMS (in lore)

>>59028396
Holy Kek

>>59027826
>>59027840
>>59028414
Holy fucking autism, did I touch a nerve for you there, sweetie?

>>59028317
I never said I did or didn't, but you didn't disprove my point that transferring mons required an expensive setup involving two game systems.

>>59028433
God SWSH was such a disaster all around. Can't believe there are people starting to call it good

>>59028440
Battle mechanics are allright, its just the open world and subpar programming that plague those games

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>>59028431
Why are you acting like Dexit was beyond the control of Gamefreak like a natural disaster and not a deliberate decision made because they didn't know how to fit 800 pokemon into SwSh?
Gens 6 and 7 being shit filled the keg with powder, Dexit lit the fuse. Even if every single pokemon was catchable in Galar, it wouldn't stop the games from getting ripped apart for the traditional pokemon region formula getting ruined so we can have ugly wild areas that look and run like fucking dogshit.

>>59028469
>Why are you acting like Dexit was beyond the control of Gamefreak like a natural disaster and not a deliberate decision made because they didn't know how to fit 800 pokemon into SwSh?
That's not even remotely what the post implied, you retarded schizo.

>Gens 6 and 7 being shit filled the keg with powder
Then why were they rated highly? Your fanfic has some plotholes, newfag.

>>59028440
I like it more than SV, both are shit though

>>59027581
Nothing comes close to Feraligatr. All goofyfags should get the rope.
>>59028179
>implying they hate Incineroar

>>59028396
Wouldn't be surprised if it gets cut in the next Smash bros

>>59027597
At a time in the franchise where so many designs are totally overcooked somehow this one came out half baked. Its clearly a middle evo missing a full form. I'm h(c)oping that Gen 10 has the 3rd form, which will have a tail like a vine and a 3rd yellow-pepper head.

>>59028490
>Then why were they rated highly?
They aren't. They're rated as middling games.
>Erhm people are review bombing!
No they're not.
>trying to call me a new ag after getting btfo with proof
Lool

>>59027429
>missed the entire point of team plasma
>admitting you would've been one of the retards tricked by them
I bet you believe in all the modern progressive bullshit causes too. Fucking goy.

>>59028439
>makes a retarded claim
>anons refute
>"lol, triggered much??"
people had friends back then, moron. You didn't need to buy two systems when every kid was playing pokemon for the first two gens.

>>59028544
>They aren't
>>59028347

>>59028557
>the point is that they're a shitty derivative lazily written team
bravo GF!

>>59028423
It wouln't surprise me if he put Sub-Zero in the next Smash (even while skipping Scorpion) just for the sake of having a (not-doble character gimmick) ice themed character in a roster overfilled with characters with fire related powers.

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>>59028598
Yea those are fair reviews.
Y being an 88 despite bricking your save if you saved in Lumiose is fucking malpractice.
THIS is a fucking review bomb.

>>59028557
Again, the problem is that it's too obvious, it's coherent but it's not well written

>>59028614
>Yea those are fair reviews
You're right, they are fair reviews. Then sperging tourists like you had a crashout when dexit happened. Glad we agree.

>>59028396
Guess that explains why it doesn't get that much merch unlike the other shillmons, nobody gives a fuck about it

>>59028644
>Then sperging tourists like yo-
Post trainer card. >>59028373

>>59028739
I don't care about your trainer card. You already proved you're a newfag by blatantly trying to revise history.

>>59028745
You weren't there so you can't really know what you're talking about, beyond guessing and reading the tea leaves that are metacritic reviews.

>>59028641
>Again, the problem is that it's too obvious
Again: it's writing accommodated for literal toddlers

>>59028749
>it's guessing because it doesn't match my fanfic

>>59028603
You're never going to get writing better than B/W when the games are made both to appeal to young children and to support the sales of the rest of the franchise.

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>>59028778
>You're never going to get writing better than B/W

>>59028760
So you write a plot with complex characters like N for toddlers who don't even read and watch the cool creatures?

>>59028782
SM has better writing but it's less ambitious, BW is a story about Pokémon, SM is a story with Pokemon in it.

>>59028788
>So you write a plot with complex characters like N for toddlers who don't even read and watch the cool creatures?
It's a classic case of artistic vision getting compromised by corporate bullshit.

>>59028799
>they gave up making it a story about Pokemon and just really made it about N's family drama
this is just projecting what is actually the case for sun/moon onto b/w.
you get N's "family drama" for the last five seconds of the game in the castle. the rest is about ideals and their relation to raising pokemon.

>>59028771
No, its guessing because you don't know what you're talking about because you weren't there.

>>59028817
>you get N's "family drama" for the last five seconds of the game
And you get "Pokemon shouldn't be with trainers" for about 5 seconds of the game before they have a grunt kick Munna and a throwaway line about how Pokemon can just run away from trainers they don't like

>>59028820
>he doesnt understand relative context
No saar, YOU are brown

>>59028835
>And you get "Pokemon shouldn't be with trainers" for about 5 seconds of the game
Because the point of Plasma is that they're lying two-faced manipulators. They weren't making an actual point, and Gamefreak couldn't risk the retarded babies they cater to thinking that the main gimmick of Pokemon is evil.

>>59028840
>Because the point of Plasma is that they're shitty generic bad guys just like every other evil team because they were too lazy to write something interesting
yeah I can tell

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>>59028603
Why is this bad writing? Explain in your own words why its is bad writing for the story that is fundamentally about duality to have an organization comprised of both genuine believers and cynics.

>>59028824
>you don't know what you're talking about
>even though the ratings match your posts and they don't match mine

>>59028839
>no u
This really makes you look less brown.
>>59028851
It's predictable, cliche, simple, and boring.

>>59028851
The game handles N and Ghetsis well in my opinion, and that's why I'm sorry, what you're saying is all correct, the problem is just the execution, it would have been enough to just show some grunts doing good during the course of the game and not just at the end. If every time BW is discussed you have to specify "eh but that's not the point", then maybe the game didn't do its job well, like in Evangelion when they tell you "eh but the point is the characters, forget the plot", in a well written story there's no need for someone to have to explain what the point is

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>>59028856
>>even though the ratings match your posts and they don't match mine
My post is that people were not excited for Generation 8, because they felt burned when the 3d era had thus far proven to be mediocre at best.
Why does it matter when people re-reviewed the previous generations when they realized the move to 3d was a net-loss on the franchise, especially when a lot of reviews at the time explicitly stated that they gave it extra points for 3d in the first place?
>Wtf you can't just regret eating an entire cake in one sitting because it made you fat, back when you ate it you said you didn't care that it was 2000 calories!

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>>59027419
>Biggest letdowns in Pokémon history?

>>59027429
whats happening in this screenshot? i havent played unova in forever

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>>59028904
>because they felt burned when the 3d era had thus far proven to be mediocre at best
And yet the ratings don't reflect that. Why? You still haven't answered this.

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>>59028904
>I feel burned by this game
>so I'm going to go on metacritic and give it a 9/10

>>59028936
He's just autistic and doesn't know the difference between "they" and "I"

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>>59028941
outdated image.

>>59028936
The user scores for XY and SM on Metacritic are way lower than that, and the one for Emerald, Platinum, and B2W2 are way higher, where the fuck did you get those numbers from?

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>>59027419
Some rough transitions to 3D

>>59028959
It doesn't matter if it's outdated. We're talking about when Gen 8 was announced, dumbfuck. Why did the games have those scores in the first place by hundreds of people if people were "burned" by them? Answer the question.

>>59028960
>>59028347

>>59028965
Change that to a gif and every arrow flips.

>>59028965
all the 3D models look better

>>59028968
You've yet to explain why anyone would go back and reviewbomb gen 6 and 7 games because of Dexit.

>>59028968
>>59028969
Oh, right, the realization that it was the same shit and will always be the same shit instead of just transitionary weirdness definitely made people reflect on what was wrong with them in the first place. It's like all those janky PS1 games or "cinematic" PS3 games that people thought would be the future at the time but eventually realized that no it's just shit. Bioshock Infinite is a classic example at this point. It is slightly more rare with new games making you realize the problems with the older ones might have been intentional, but Shenmue 3 is a solid example of that.

>>59027575
>pick the big curly hair option since that's what I rock irl
>try and put on a beanie because I gotta keep the hair out of my eyes
>"That item does not match the haircut you have"
Fuck GameFreak, seriously.

>>59028988
You've yet to explain why the games had those scores in the first place.

>>59028990
>TH-THEY JUST SUDDENLY REALIZED IT WAS SHIT!
Conveniently only after dexit? Not when ORAS came out? Or SM? or USUM? Why?

why is there such a concentrated effort on this board to make you think that oras was good? I played it for 30 minutes and saw that it was shit, like any modern pokemon after gen 5

>>59028997
ORAS had some cool features like DexNav and online and spotpass secret bases but outside of that it was an objective downgrade from emerald.

I knew it was the beginning of the end when they turned granite cave from a linear dungeon to a hallway.

>>59028995
>You've yet to explain why the games had those scores in the first place.
Simple; people were buying into the hype and then only correcting their mistake in post. Now its your turn! Why would someone go back and punish games for Dexit when Dexit only applies to SwSh and SV?

>>59029009
>Simple; people were buying into the hype
Oh...so they were excited for the game? So what you said in >>59028340 is wrong? Fucking retard.

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>>59027419
Rotom Dex being the norm over traditional Pokedex, they even bothered making a new one for let's go

>>59029014
"People were buying into the hype [of Gen 6/7]"

>>59029009
>they were buying into the hype
>conveniently not for gen 8 though
wow it's almost as if gen 8 is the actual point where people started disliking the games and not gen 6

>>59029023
>People were excited for Gen 6/7
Glad you agree that your initial post is wrong and you're just a retarded newfag.

>>59029024
People were tolerating the decline because of cross gen compatibility

>>59028995
>Conveniently only after dexit? Not when ORAS came out? Or SM? or USUM? Why?
It's easy to explain psychologically, people buy in to something and eventually they can only take so much before they give up, sunk cost fallacy into buyers remorse to use some terms you might have heard before. Games on the same hardware can only change so much, so expectations are set in certain ways for something similar vs the next big thing. Personally, it was a slow decline for me. I bought ORAS and was disappointing, so I pirated Gen 7 and had a decent time in spite of the problems, but it became clear that Gen 8+ wasn't what I wanted in basically any way. I can imagine people felt fooled because the games lacking certain elements could have been chalked up to technical limitations or time restrictions (and it's probably the latter), but SS just makes it clear that it's intentional design decisions and that the good things like the Totem fights were accidents because they couldn't playtest it into oblivion. I'm sure there's something you once really defended only for something to happen that changed your entire perspective. If it makes you feel any better, I think the Gen 7 titles will probably recover at some point, but ORAS and especially XY's user scores will probably just continue to trend downward.

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>>59029032
>I think this is a decline
>so I'm going to go on metacritic and rate this game a 9/10

>>59029042
>It's easy to explain psychologically,
Yeah, people liked gen 6 and 7 and they didn't like gen 8. Very easy to explain.

>>59029042
>I'm a zoomer that wasn't there at the start
You should try being more concise.

>>59029024
>>59029024
Blatant samefagging aside, Kalos was mediocre but inoffensive, we all agree on that. I think most oldfags checked out of the series after ORAS was a huge wet fart and stayed gone until they heard about Dexit, not even bothering to dock the scores of SM/USUM because they didn't even play that gen.

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>>59029061
>I think most oldfags checked out of the series after ORAS
The "oldfags" liked ORAS too. Find a better coping mechanism.

>>59029050
I was on /vp/ when XY came out. There was hype for a buit but after Home there was a sense of "that's it?" almost immediately. Things only got worse from there, although I wasn't around for a lot of the gap year after ORAS. Similar shit happens every gen's hype period. It just so happened that the hype period for SS was so dogshit it made people realize their nostalgia for Gen 6/7 was misplaced. I wish that would happen for DP but unfortunately BDSP was so uniquely bad it make people like DP more.
>>59029049
It's more like they thought they liked it, which is similar enough until something happens to reveal otherwise. It's like how the new Stars War trillogy made people look back on each movie in that trilogy and realize the problems more distinctly, while a vocal minority had some of the problems identified immediately.

>polls
>opinions
>reviews
Is it because you were all unpopular as children? Defend or critique things with your words.

>>59027419
Gen 9 as a whole was the biggest letdown. Everything about it is abysmal.

>>59029075
>It's more like they thought they liked it,
Yes, that's typically how liking things works.

>>59029065
>polls posed literally the week of the game launch
If we go by initial review emerald is the worst pokemon game of all time, fucking kill yourself retard.

>>59029065
You can probably find similar positive reactions during any hype period. You're posting shit from right around when a game releases, you're rarely going to get people dogging on it that hard unless it's truly awful like the ZA DLC.

>>59029075
>xy were hyped until home came out
>I wasn't around after oras
Make up your mind.

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>>59029083
>a year after XY is "literally the week after game launch"
Take your meds.

>>59029075
>you don't actually like things because you might stop liking them in the future
autism

I'm amazed people were still capable of being let down after how much of a disaster the whole 3DS era already was.

>>59029089
>You can probably find similar positive reactions during any hype period
Except for the games people -actually- dislike like SS and SV, weirdly enough. It's almost as if you're just a retard trying to revise history or something.

>>59029102
It's almost like the 3DS era wasn't actually a disaster or something.

>>59029092
Sorry, Bank, I got my Pokemon storage applications mixed up. I haven't thought about Bank in a while, although given it's a separate application and not in the game maybe I should. People shit on Gen 5 for putting something trivial as berry farming behind a separate application, when Bank finally dies XY's user score is going to fucking tank in response.

>>59029102
I enjoyed every 3DS game

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>>59029083
>D-D-D-D-DOESN'T COUNT!!!!

>>59029107
>Except for the games people -actually- dislike like SS and SV, weirdly enough. It's almost as if you're just a retard trying to revise history or something.
No, you can look through the archives yourself for tons of positivity around SV. Less so for SS but that's just because there's less to be interested in. Hell, BW is hated around here and there's tons of positive reception in the moment, it's a shame the archive doesn't go back that far and most of the older archives are gone.

>>59029075
>it just so happened that the hype period for SS was so dogshit it made people realize their nostalgia for Gen 6/7 was misplaced

people just decided to retroactively draw a line in the sand after Gen V because people realized that’s the Gen where a lot of their “visions” of what they wanted the series to be were hard deconfirmed. For example Gen VI is where they started the policy of not allowing transfers until the game has been out for a while when at the time it just seemed like a technical limitation

>>59029061
I checked out after trying out Pearl, came back years later to play Black 2, Moon, Alpha Saphire Ultra Sun and Clover. Black 2 was ok, while all other official games were insufferable
>but what about some minor additions/improvements to combat and breeding?
for every good change there was a bad one. ir doesn't even matter, since playing gen 6+ is fucking torture

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>>59029100
anon, those were all posted within the relase week of ORAS

>gen 5 fans pretend that it has more in common with gens 1 - 4 than 6+, thread #281

>>59029044
Its true though, SWSH would not have gotten the same amount of backlash had it not been for dexit. After dexit people started becoming much more critical of the previous 3D games too.

t. oldfag that was actually there for it

>>59029127
Nah, my favorite is HGSS. Just pointing out my experience from being on /vp/ from basically the start. I can dig up the old Write What You Roll archives if you want some proof of how fucking old I am.
>>59029131
To be fair the last game on a system that has a number of marked differences between what came after and a lot stronger similarities to what came before is a good stopping point. Gen 4 is the other big one despite it being less of a clean break, it being the last game Masuda had in mind around when he took over will do that.
>>59029133
I'd enjoy Gen 7 a lot more if somebody did a cutscene skip mod. Maybe I'd actually replay it again.

>>59029179
You just think you like HGSS

>>59029134
Anon, 2014 is a year after XY

>>59029189
That is a post about ORAS.

>>59029188
No, I thought I liked GSC, and then HGSS came out and made me realize just how technically limited an 8-bit game is at making a living world. HGSS did a better job. I've still got nostalgia for GS, but it's firmly just nostalgia. On the other hand, I thought I didn't like Pokemon anymore after I pirated Platinum, but HGSS made me realize what I loved about it. Shame that hasn't panned out in many meaningful ways. Oh well, I got B2W2, I got USUM, I made out alright.

>>59028586
There is no retarded claim
To transfer
YOUR Pokemon
The Pokemon YOU caught
In YOUR save file
To YOUR Gen 2 save
You needed either:
>2 Game Boys, a Game Link Cable, and both Pokemon games
Or
>1 Game Boy, 1 Nintendo 64, Game Boy Pokemon and Pokemon Stadium 2 (with TransPak so it had to be new)
In 2000, the Game Boy Color sold for $79.95, the N64 for $99.99, Pokemon sold for $20-$35 depending on version, a Game Link Cable was $20 unless you got an off brand for $15, and Pokemon Stadium 2 brand new sold for $69.99.
So you did need an expensive setup, or the unlikely scenario of a friend letting you use their shit for several hours while you trade with yourself.
Stupid fucking retard

>>59029206
>thinking he likes hgss this hard
kek

>>59029205
That post is about XY.

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>Dexit happened so people started hating XY, ORAS and SM/USUM for LITERALLY no reason

HGSS is a shit remake and I say this as someone who cried when he booted up SoulSilver and heard the intro bells

>xe is too scared to reply

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>>59029235
No it isn't, it's the last game made with effort and soul

>>59029175
>SWSH would not have gotten the same amount of backlash had it not been for dexit
Yeah, it’s almost like dexit was the reason people disliked the game and not the other retarded copes you made up for people not liking gen 6 and 7. Glad we agree people were excited for Pokemon games all the way up to gen 8 and anyone claiming otherwise is a revisionist newfag.

>>59029175
>SWSH would not have gotten the same amount of backlash had it not been for dexit
Yes it absolutely would have. Dexit made people take a magnifying glass to the game but dexit not happening wouldn't have magically made the game wild areas not look like putrid shit, or the game having 0 voice acting despite being designed for voice acting, or the routes being literal hallways, or the performance on the switch being unacceptably bad, or the regional gimmick being Megas 2, or the story being fucking terrible.

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>>59027419
>Biggest letdowns in Pokémon history?

>>59029242
>Morimoto wants to show up Masuda and puts thousands of hours into features that may never be used because he cares that much
>HGSS is an awful remake of GS that fails to capture much of the charm of those games from music to environments to story beats
It can be both.

>>59029243
Gen VIII would have been disliked anyway because of all of the stupid shit they pulled like it being a corridor simulator, the new Pokemon being garbage, Gigantamax being a lame gimmick, no trainer customisation, the gyms are off screen and everything about the Wild Area.

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>>59029281
>no trainer customisation
?

>>59029202
This sounds a lot more realistic than the
>everyone somehow liked gen 6 and 7 even though they were bad all along and then conveniently did a complete 180 and decided they were trash the second a completely unrelated game came out
cope I see going around.

>>59029292
>xhe actually played this kusoge
Jej

>>59029281
>it's linear and the new pokemon are garbage and it has lame gimmicks and it has no trainer customization!!
You like gen 5 and it has all of these things though. So clearly not.

>>59029298
Who do you think I am? Gen V is fine, I like it on the whole, but your argument is disingenuous and you know it, so I'm not going to dignify you with a rebuttal about how all of what you stated is exaggerated about Gen V.
Now go ahead and seethe, use some of that energy to THINK for once in your life and maybe you won't be such an abject waste of DNA.

>>59029311
>it's exaggerated when a gen I like does it

>>59029321
Yawn

>>59029293
The narrative being pushed is that dexit made people suddenly turn on gens 6 and 7 for no reason whatsoever

>>59029356
It's unrelated to dexit. It's completely related to zoomers discovering what metacritic is.

>>59029325
Why did you let a group of anons mindbreak you so hard?

>>59029366
Why would they do that? That doesn't make any sense at all.

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>>59027419
It literally killed Pokemania.

XY sucked, it is exactly like the one anon was saying. I *thought* I enjoyed it when I played it, thought it was interesting enough, but once it was over and I had 10 seconds to think about it, I realized I disliked more about the game than I liked, and I wanted to play something better. In my case I skipped BW2 and after beating X, I went out and got a copy of White 2 because I wanted to play "old Pokemon".
Everything from the bad colors, to the stiff models, to Kanto pandering, to the distorted cries, to the gameplay being boring to the lack of postgame became apparent. I was hyped for Z or XY2 but it never came and my disappointment was confirmed with SM.
Just like his example, the Disney Star Wars movies. I told myself Force Awakens was awesome and a great start but over time realized all of the flaws it actually had. In both cases neither "felt" right to me but I put up with them until I couldn't.

>>59029387
>AIEEEEEEEE I’M JEALOUS OVER KANTO
See? It is just zoomers who hate XY, fucking kek

>>59029102
The 3DS Pokemon games are like the Star Wars prequels. They are bad, but zoomer revisionists pretend they are good just because what came later is even worse.

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>Its impossible for subsequent installments to a franchise being so bad it makes the fanbase re-evaluate previous installments

Imagine meeting yawnfag in real life
How would you kill it, /vp/? Me? I'd reenact the film Prisoners starring Hugh Jackman.

>>59029387
You can tell that XY was thoroughly memory-holed for being mediocre because the "Pokemon Cycle" completely skipped Kalos and went straight to Alola

>>59029387
I had the exact opposite experience. I loved playing XY for months and when I went back to BW2 to transfer my Pokemon into bank the game was way fucking worse than I remembered and I was disgusted by all the shitty poorly scaled lazily tweened sprites and hated the fact that I was forced to play as a stupid looking palm tree haired twink instead of being able to customize my character.

>>59029387
the only thing I remember about XY is hearing that it could brick your cartridge somehow.

>every xy hater has seen 10 star wars movies
lel

>>59029456
Yeah, the Lumiose City save bug on launch.

>>59029387
>the stiff models
This is the biggest giveaway that you didn’t actually play the game

>>59029469
they're literally so stiff that winged pokemon just glide in place eternally instead of actually flapping their wings LMAO

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A game has to be hyped to be a letdown.
Thus, gens 8 and 9 could not be letdowns because they were not hyped.

>>59029485
Nope, SWSH was hyped because it was "the game for longtime fans", after LGPE drones insisted it "wasn't for them, wait for the next game".
Nope, SV was hyped because it was "the REAL first open world Pokemon game".

>>59029494
>Nope, SV was hyped
lol

>>59029496
Did you miss the part where every normalfag ever was pissing, shitting and cumming themselves over open world Pokemon, the thing they'd been begging for since Skyrim?

>>59029496
tbdesu I was only really hyped for SV because SwSh and BDSP were so bad that literally anything would be a step above, even if it looked like it came right out of an N64 game.

>>59029499
This didn't happen.
I remember gifs of the 3 fps swablu

>>59029506
From terminally online manchildren, yes.
Normalfags, however, saw open world Pokemon and were going "OMG FINALLY!!!!!!!!" without giving a shit about the graphics because Pokemon has literally never been about graphics to them.

>>59027816
RBY-GSC allowed both ways trading it was awesome.

And you needed it for the Dex. The Kanto starters, Mt Moon fossils, and Kanto Legendaries were exclusive to Gen 1.

>>59029525
>ad populum argument
But that didn't happen.

>>59029533
Yes, I have in fact played the games. Is this a bot post? Nobody was asking.

>>59027419
I remember when there where people who had early copies of SM and were leaking stuff.
And then the realization that the starters evos, as whel as most fast looking mons, were actually disappointingly slow.

>>59029107
>It's almost like the 3DS era wasn't actually a disaster or something.
For anyone with a modicum of standards, it was. That evidently doesn't include you.

>>59028389
The boring answers would be Cinderace and Meowscarada
If they actually wanted to be cool it'd be Urshifu and Ceruledge or Ogerpon
And if Smash came out around ZA we'd get Zygarde who could turn into different forms
We're definitely getting starters as smash reps until the end of time though

>>59029422
It's almost like there isn't a "cycle" at all. It was bad enough when people spent 15 years trying to force that meme with Zelda, let's not start shoving it into every other Nintendo IP too.

>>59027627
#1 for sure. And that was after showing off dmax raids for the first time and we had the dawning realization of how simplistic they'd be.

>>59029379
Nah, just had the timing line up with it. No one looked at it as a cause. Similar would be the ticket sales to Movie 3 and why it was the last in theaters in most countries.

>>59029676
>Cinderace
You know what, maybe Tony the Tiger isn't so bad after all.

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>>59029711
>the dawning realization of how simplistic they'd be
The irony is that offline 5-star raids are pure cancer while online 5-star raids are over in minutes since everyone likes spamming min-maxed legendaries. I liked the idea of co-oping to take down a tough boss pokemon, but the retarded shield mechanic just KILLED the fun factor. It's like the devs thought "hmmm how can we roadblock the trainers from OHKOing our raid den pokemon?" and just slapped a cheap stalling tactic over it.

>>59028965
Is eelektross's inclusion here a troll

>>59028792
>>59028782
>Game for people who don’t actually like Pokemon is better than other game for people that don’t actually like Pokemon
Stop fighting, BW and SM are both cut from the same cloth.

>>59029711
So Pokemon 3 was relegated to a silent April 2001 release in theaters with almost no promotion. Compared to the first two being dropped as summer blockbusters, WB had seen the decline in ticket sales there and wanted to drop 3 off asap, while 4kids knew it was over and didn't bother spending their money to push it.
Pokemon 3 still had hype as the first Gen 2 movie, and it had a BK tie in and a fee card, but everyone knew it was the end if it didn't make gangbusters. And it didn't, and that was that..
Not the fault of 3 or anything else, WB just kvetched and opened the door for Yu-Gi-Oh to eat Pokemon's lunch.

>>59027419
Zeroth post best post.

>>59029188
You just think you don't.

>>59029676
I'd take Cinderace or Meowscarada, we could get a cooler character for a grappler

>>59027429
I wanted them to actually kill the Munna too, but Gamefreak is too spineless. They set out to write the most adult and mature Pokémon story ever but they treated it like it's PG-13 slop.

>>59028782
SuMo's story is executed worse than BW. It's handholdy, overexplains, overexposes, and gets in the way of the gameplay. Still better than most gens.

>Release Legends Arceus
>quite different bringing in fresh air
>very rough but with potential
>a recipe to improve on
>Release Legends Z-A
>fuck up everything by rejecting every lesson learned and turning it into a watered down mainline game

>>59027419
the beggining of the downward spiral

>>59030227
>NOOOOO I DONT WANT ANOTHER BREATH OF FRESH AIR WHY DIDNT YOU JUST MAKE A PLA REHASH
assblasted pastfag detected

>>59030249
What's fresh about PLZA other than the unimpressive combat system?

>>59030259
>what’s fresh about PLZA other than the all the gameplay?

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>>59030227
>>quite different bringing in fresh air
Arceusfags should be hung from meathooks for reviewbombing ZA for not being Catchslop 2: Kalos Edition.

>>59027419
what even was the point of the remakes?
did they improve anything compared to Emerald?

>>59030281
Pokemon was designed for catching and trading first, battling came second.
Arceus is more true to Pokemon's design, schizoid.

>>59030301
It gave new megas to many Hoenn Pokemon including the other two starters and introduced new characters

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>>59030309
>Pokemon was designed for catching and trading first
The first thing you see when you boot up the first game in the entire franchise is 2 trainers battling.

>>59029424
This happened to me with XY when Home came out for Swsh and I wanted to transfer something forward, I hadn’t played in years and had a reaction of
>god damn this is ugly and runs like shit Swsh looks so much better

>>59030321
And you think that means his pist is incorrect...because...?

>>59030348
Battling is the most important part of pokemon, otherwise they would have not made gyms a thing.

>>59027429
>everyone else fighting over if team plasma was well written
>still think this looks like they're gangbanging munna

>>59030353
>dodges the queation
Don't do it again please. I'll repeat it for you.
>Why do you think that means his post is incorrect?

>>59028534
No pokemon that's recieved a mega has ever recieved a regular evolution later

>>59030377
Battling came before catching which came before trading. That's why his post is incorrect.

>>59030385
Okay great, now you need to prove your claim is true.
What evidence do you have?

>>59030406
He has to prove his own claim true, actually.

Someone post the damn manga pages where Tajiri recounts his vivid imagination of animals fighting being a key inspiration to Pokemon, already.

>>59030411
>>59030309
You both do.
So where's your evidence for your claims?

>>59030269
>thinks all the gameplay is the real time elements of the combat system
No wonder you claim it's fresh

>>59030427
>>59030411
>>59030309
>No answers
Guess you both lose.

>>59030539
Ironic coming from a guy who thinks catching 7 bidoof is a fresh breath

>>59027419
Biggest letdown, BDSP not having permanent availability of the Mystery Gifts for Darkrai and Shaymin

>>59030348
because you can catch only after starting a battle, making both at least equal. not to mention that you spend more time battling with your pokemon than catching pokemon. plus the game gates your progression by forcing you to win battles, not catching pokemon

For me it will always be Mega evolutions.
A copout for branch evolutions for existing Pokemon, and actual evolutions to stand alone ones.

Gotta look at something like Mawile and just ask why? Gotta look at Charizard and thing, you could have just had two stones.

>>59027836
The in person events were such a let down. Had they been dispersed throughout the gba/Pokemons life span in every major shop, it would have been much better.

>>59030309
Pokemon would have flopped and never been heard from again after gen 1 if it had started with PLA's braindead Farmville-tier "gameplay." PLA is the laziest sack of shit that Game Freak's ever put their name on, and that's saying something.

>>59030788
Honestly, I'm not big on megas either, but considering shit like Mega Latias and Latios I don't mind them just being temporary powerups.

>>59027419
this marked the end of the fucking series, they gave up while making these shit games
>>59027627
I hate these 3 faggots like no one else in the industry

>>59028965
hitmontop in a capoeira stance is kino

>>59028925
These were fine games. I will never understand the BW/BW2 hate EVER. It feels so unbelievably forced.

>>59027429
I don't see the problem. I shows off perfectly how Team Plasma isn't all they claim they are.

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it's funny how people cry about the Frontier but they don't remember that only tower and factory were ever good and the other facilities were unfun gimmick bullshit that people forced themselves to play through as kids.

>>59032039
>that people forced themselves to play through as kids.
No one did this except for autists who really wanted Gold Prints.
Hell, I doubt most people even played the Battle Tower until they learned what IVs and EVs are and how to perfect them, because with how battle facilities are set up you're going to inevitably lose solely due to RNG beyond your control, and all the best teams that minimize RNG as much as possible require intimate knowledge of optimization.
You were either all about the factory where it DID feel more fair that you were getting fucked over due to the premise, or you didn't bother with the frontier much at all.

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>>59027419
never being able to wear this again

>>59031989
B1W1 were as bland as RS, DP or XY.
B2W2 were pretty kino, though.

>>59032066
yeah, frontier was a mode for its time. To grind and spend a lot of time playing through the game because you had nothing else to play and access to other games was not as easy as today. There's little reason to bother with such modes anymore. Hell I doubt grown-ass adults today have the patience to manually grind all that shit without using speed-up on emulator or something

>>59028614
Both these reviews are kind of insane, they’re both 6/10 games

>>59032087
>a mode for its time
So it’s kino, got it.

>>59028614
>bricking your save file
The game shat itself attempting to load it, but it did not delete or corrupt your save data.

Worst case you had to restart 15 times until it eventually managed to correctly load the save data, so you can then fuck off and save somewhere else.

>>59030029
>SuMo
reddit faggot detected

>>59032082
bw are maybe on par with RBY but theyre blander than RS, DP, and XY
b2w2 are even worse

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>>59028392

>>59032082
Its a simple classic, doesnt need to be all quirky and ecstatic to be good. It's like a cup of coffee. Same thing could be said for XY. You as too much of this games when they each set out for certain things in mind. gen 5 story, 6 vibes, etc. etc.

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>#ThankYouGameFreak
That's when I knew the games were at the point of no return.

>>59028402
>slogan is literally "gotta catch em all"
seems understandable to me

>>59028469
>Gens 6 and 7 being shit
Things that didn't happen for 500, Alex

>>59028782
hello based department

>>59029008
>It's a downgrade because uhhhhh
>it has all these improvements and
>well...it's just a downgrade OKAY?!

>>59029009
Take off the tinfoil hat, Gen 8 was shit, it was where people thought Pokemon was shit, and the series hasn't recovered yet.

>>59029083
>emerald is the worst pokemon game of all time
well, if the shoe fits

>>59028851
>>59028557
The point of Plasma is to hide that they're bad under the guise of being well-intentioned extremists.
This scene breaks everything before it even got a chance to start.
Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald handled it better.

>>59029113
as you should, they're peak Pokemon

>>59029231
>hating the Gen where you could catch every single Pokemon with one console and four games only
noggin' joggin'

>>59029242
>best quote of HGSS interview
>worst quote of ORAS interview
why so disingenuous? they did more for ORAS remakes than they did for HGSS remakes, gameplay wise. I know they included a little pedometer gimmick, but that's fairly moot.

>>59029276
Pokemon had a super rough transition to home console, I hope Nintendo goes back to dedicated handheld again, and not that stupid ass Switch Lite. I said it before; we used to get brand new Pokemon games each year, for $40, and now they cost $60+ and lack features and absolutely don't make proper use of the hardware.

>>59029235
>>59029281
HGSS is just about the perfect remake and one of the prettiest games for the DS in general.

>>59030353
>Battling is the most important part of pokemon
The franchise was created because he was fascinated with catching bugs in nature. 80% of the money they make is from merchandise of the creatures.

>>59032087
Spot on, that's what the lead developers said in the interview as well concerning the remakes. They're right.

>>59033144
That shitshowing of bootlicking was insane. Dexit fucked this franchise in half.

>>59030427
>>59030564
You cannot enter the Hall of Fame in any mainline title purely by catching monsters.

>>59027429
this
first opportunity for a genuinely unique story that expands on the lore of pokemon's relationship with humans and they completely fucking botched it out of laziness

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>>59032087
>I doubt grown-ass adults today have the patience to manually grind
they grew up with shit like this, unlike no attention span zoomers and gen alphas. the only ones who would complain about BF missing are grown ass adults, who remember it from Emerald, aka not the target audience

I miss Pokemon Contests.

I hate how sky battles ruined so many flying pokemon in the 3D transition.

>>59034969
truth nuke

>>59034979
lie nuke