>Ruins PokemonThe hand-holding, the fucking, never-ending cut scenes and dialogue. The elite four are just being the trial people again. I only managed to get through Ultra Sun with 2x on nearly the entire time when not in battle or exploring.
>>59027674There was nothing left to ruin at that point anyway, zoomzoom.
>>59027675KYS, Sagie
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It was already dying at that pointPrevious 2 gens did thatGen 7 just decided to go all in on killing itselfWhich gen 8 decided to copy and buy a shovel and coffinAnd gen 9 decided to start and finish digging the hole
>>59027674Hey these were the last games in the series to allow us to use every Pokemon. Show a little respect.
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Peak mon
>>59027674Inb4 that one schizo reposts this with an image of BW
>>59027674pokemon was already ruined way before that came along
>>59027674>>Ruins Pokemon>The hand-holding, the fucking, never-ending cut scenes and dialogue.you accidentally used a pic of SM instead of BW
>>59027905So fucking true.Remember when Pokémon was about exploring tall grass, discovering weird creatures, and slowly building your team? Then along comes Celebi — the time-traveling pixie that basically says, “Yeah, timelines are a thing now.”Once time travel enters the lore, everything gets messy. If Celebi can jump through time, why not fix every disaster? Why didn’t it stop legendary battles? Why didn’t it prevent regions from being destroyed? Suddenly every major event feels like it should have a time-travel fix.It also opened the door for the series to go wild with reality-bending lore. Next thing you know we’ve got alternate dimensions, paradox Pokémon, timeline splits, and plots that feel more like sci-fi than monster collecting.Don’t get me wrong — Celebi is ugly as fuck. But lore-wise it was the moment Pokémon stopped being a mysterious natural world and started becoming a complicated multiverse.Sometimes the forest guardian should’ve just stayed a forest guardian.
>>59028075ThisAt least SM still had some actual difficulty in the boss fightsBW/2 was handholdy, cutscene heavy, AND had piss easy non existent difficulty
>>59028075>>59028358hi kojo
>>59027674ruined zygarde with zen mode
>>59027674I'm thinking about trying Sun and Moon, but should I go with Ultra Sun/Moon? I heard some people prefer the original, is that just due to the story changes?
>>59027674>The hand-holdingAgreed>the fucking, never-ending cut scenes and dialogue. >"Whaaa, I don't want a story but I'm still going to play an RPG, whaaa">The elite four are just being the trial people again. Debate as to how bad that is.
>>59027674>The hand-holdingEvery gen>the fucking, never-ending cut scenesGen 2 started this>The elite four are just being the trial people againGen 2 started this>I only managed to get through Ultra Sun with 2x on nearly the entire time when not in battle or exploring.You could have dropped it any time you autistic retard.
>>59029234>>the fucking, never-ending cut scenes and dialogue.>>"Whaaa, I don't want a story but I'm still going to play an RPG, whaaa"There was an interrupting, unskippable cutscene every five seconds. And they take longer than previous generations because you have to sit through stupid animations rather than just button-mashing A to cut through it all.Don't be so dishonest.
>>59029234>HEY GO OVER TO EVIL CAVE AND BEAT THE BAD GUY>Go to Evil Cave>HEY WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE I'M BAD GUY AND I'M BEING BAD LEAVE ME ALONE>Beat Bad Guy>Go back to Questmaster of Elbowtown>THANKS FOR BEATING THE BAD GUY LET ME ENHANCE YOUR ROSE OF MYSTERY>BY THE WAY THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTMASTER IN ANKLETOWN MAYBE HE CAN ENHANCE YOUR ROSE OF MYSTERY EVEN FURTHERVersus>Enter Elbowtown>COME ON WE NEED THE QUEST MASTER'S HELP LET'S GO TO HIS HOUSE>>Camera cuts to a house with a blue roof>IT'S THE HOUSE WITH THE BLUE ROOF LET'S HURRY>Walk up to Quest master's house>THE QUESTMASTER IS INSIDE LET'S HURRY>Go inside>THANKS FOR COMING TO MY HOUSE, NOW LET'S GO BEAT THE BAD GUY AT EVIL CAVE>TOGETHERRRRRR>YOU KNOW THE WAY TO EVIL CAVE RIGHT?>Yes>THAT'S RIGHT YOU JUST TAKE LEAVE ELBOWTOWN AND TAKE EVIL ROAD NOW LET'S GO BEAT THE BAD GUY>TOGETHERRRRRR>Leave Elbowtown>EVIL ROAD IS THIS WAY LET'S HURRY>Go to Evil Road>Find Evil Cave>THE BAD GUY IS PROBABLY INSIDE EVIL CAVE>Loud mysterious roar>OH NO THE BAD GUY MUST BE BEING BAD WE HAVE TO HURRY>BY THE WAY DO YOU KNOW HOW TO USE YOUR ROSE OF MYSTERY>Yes>THAT'S RIGHT JUST USE IT WHEN THE BAD GUY USES THE ARCHIVE OF ANGER>DON'T FORGET TO USE YOUR ROSE OF MYSTERY>Go into Evil Cave>Camera cuts to Bad Guy>MAN I LOVE BEING BAD HEY>WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE I'M BAD GUY AND I'M BEING BAD>LEAVE ME>ALONE>Everyone gasps for some reason>Beat Bad Guy without using the Rose of Mystery>CURSE YOU CURSE ALL OF YOU BUT I WAS ABLE TO BE BAD ENOUGH THAT WAIT WHAT IS THAT OH NO AAAHH RUN AWAAAYY>THE BAD GUY WAS TRYING TO WAKE THE ZENITH FANG HYDRA ALL ALONG OH NO AWWW IT LIKES YOU>I'M SO GLAD WE BEAT THE BAD GUY>TOGETHERRRRRR>NOW LET ME ENHANCE YOUR ROSE OF MYSTERY>YOUR ROSE OF MYSTERY IS ENHANCED! YOU CAN NOW USE IT AGAINST THE ARMFOLD OF FURY>BY THE WAY I HEARD THERE'S A QUESTMASTER IN ANKLETOWN MAYBE HE CAN ENHANCE YOUR ROSE OF MYSTERY EVEN FURTHER>DO YOU KNOW HOW TO GET TO ANKLETOWN?
>>59029543I see you've been traumatized by sun/moon, just like me
>>59027674The games before these already did that
>>59027675fpbp
>>59027674Most of this game’s issues were already in the series since like Gen 3/4 or something. The real problem was that this game doubled down on their worst parts and got pretty much no pushback. But hey, at least it had a battle tower clone with nostalgia pandering. That’s what you guys liked right?
>>59027675xy and oras are way funner to play doeie
>>59029543You forgot>starts to run away>stops, slowly rotates in place>starts running againThat shit is foul.
>>59028075I replayed BW recently and there was a lot less handholding then I remembered. Most of it was right at the beginning of the game, but after the third gym I rarely saw any.
>>59029664idk if this is meant to be a shitpost but I unironically agree
>>59029669I actually had to cut Artemis out of the story due to post size limits
>>59028358Actually the only challenging fights in SM imo were Lurantis, Mimikyu and the final Lusamine fight, though that last one is more tedious than hard due to the bulk and some of her Pokémon having self healing.BW2 has Cheren (unless you get a Riolu or evolve Tepig but I couldn't find a Riolu last time and I picked Snivy), Elesa, Clay, Marlon, Ghetsis and Iris. Also a few difficult generics and one of the hardest Victory Roads (in terms of being a long gauntlet of trainers, the only healer is close to the end.)
>>59029218It's just due to story changes, which aren't really that bad. I prefer the Ultra Games due to difficulty and additional content.
>>59029258I'm surprised there wasn't a Yes, No trap where you need to answer Yes on both prompt but the second one defaults to No.
>>59029657And it was at least somewhat challenging even by Battle Tower standards, so much so that they nerfed it in USUM and the Super Formats were still hard.
>>59029543shit like this is why i dropped moon after 3 hours of play. part of me wants to go back and get the alolan mons for pokemon bank/home but that would mean facing even more unnecessary cutscenes and forced NPC exposition dumps.
>>59027674The hand-holding was off the charts but after the first couple trials I feel like it didn't waste much time and you could just plow through it. In particular, the Team Skull stuff felt like it wasted way less time than, say, the Gen III villains, but maybe that's just me.But good lord all the lame "this route is closed, get railroaded the other way" stuff was terrible. Worse than those psyducks in DP.
>>59029705Marlon is a joke
>>59029733Really? Was it? I never touched USUM.
>>59029762>wasted way less time than, say, the Gen III villainsI have no idea what you're smoking
>>59029762>wasted less time than the gen 3 villainsIn what way?
>>59029762Gen 3’s antagonists are still the worst in the series bar none so you’re not wrong
>>59027674These games were rock solid. Every complaint I've seen about them is superficial shit. If you want to complain why don't you do it about Sword/Shield & Scarlet/Violet, I mean there's also the easiest punching bag ever in Legends Z-A
>>59030078>bad thing is actually good because worse things exist!
>>59030078>superficial shitLike what
>>59027674it's hilarious how they killed Z for this piece of shit then butchered the gen to steal fans away from yokai watch. they went back to normalfag games straight after so alola remains the fugly bigger child of the franchise
>>59029669it's hilarious that I've seen this shit in AAA games like borderlands 3. developers don't know how to path characters anymore, they do the same dance of running - stopping - turning and running again
>>59029762nigger, the entirety of gen 7 wastes tour time. it's nothing but fluff, nothing happens in the games even the "evil team" are nothing but retarded punks.
>>59027711Gen 9 did not suffer from anything cöose to the problems gen 7+8 did. You are seldom interrupted from what you're doing and can freely choose where to go. Did you play the games?
>>59031420But enough about gen 8. Team Skull is based, Guzma is still a giga Chad and I actually enjoyed the compelling story line with Lusamine and Lillie at least until USUM went and butchered it.
>>59031649>Team Skull is based>"ooh we're just a bunch dindu nuffins who're misunderstood goofballs!"most faggoted shit in existence. Guzma could've been cool if he were allowed to be an actual POS gangster instead of some wholesome chungus faggot.
>>59031695Tfw will never know what it's like to have no sovl
>>59029543Personally, I'd consider the camera panning to the objective to be counted under "handhold" rather than "cinematics" which I already agreed was bad. The actual story cutscenes in G7 are great, imo.
>>59031776>no argument>just buzzwords
>>59029672I had the same experience. I hadn't played it since it came out, always told myself and everyone else I hated it and after finally giving it another shot I ended up loving it. Turns out it was BW2 that I was remembering, that game is truly detestable and the beginning of the end of this franchise being good. Awful pacing, too much talking for a story that fucking sucks, baby mode difficulty, it's got it all.
