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What is the consensus?
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>>59030202
Ash has more feats to his name if you care about p*wersc*ling
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>>59030202
>Red became champion on his first try
>Ash had to blunder through a handful of regions before finally becoming champ
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game Cynthia beats molests both
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>>59030202
>The strongest character Red defeated is Lance
>The strongest character Ash defeated is Leon
>Leon beat Lance
Pretty easy
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>>59030202
Ash has been around for so many things that realistically he would win, the only thing keeping Red safe is The Pokemon Company/Game Freak would likely break Ash's legs if they didn't make them roughly even

The only way to actually upscale Red is to say Anime Leon = Masters/Game Leon, as Ash barely beat Leon after being given loads of benefits in his battle, while Red and Leon were shown to be mostly evenly match in Masters, with Red appearing slightly stronger in both battles, Leon had plot armor on his side (getting an arc suit) that allowed him to win the second time despite this
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>>59030202
Gold
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>>59030224
>The strongest character Red defeated is Lance
This isn't even true in Gen I, Blue fucked your mom first
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It's funny because if you asked this question decades ago, Ash would be seen as a joke. But now that he finally graduated, with OP Pokemon like Mega Lucario and Solgaleo, he's way more credible.
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>>59030202
Red mogs. Video game plot armor > anime plot armor
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>>59030202
There's none.
both have large fanbases, though I guess Ash's larger.
>>59030252
>for so many things that realistically he would win
Him being around for those in less than a year is itself unrealistic.
>The Pokemon Company/Game Freak would likely break Ash's legs if they didn't make them roughly even
That's just ashfag cope and the masters event proves this.
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>>59030202
Ash since he beats Leon
Leon was raised to be the ultimate Pokemon Trainer and a Pokemon Master by Chairman Rose as a means to one up his brother Peony. He already beaten all of the worlds champions and only returned to Galar to be defend his regional title. Note that Ash only won due to behind the scene drama that lead to his voice actor's retirement.

Plus Ash is still traveling around the world since his true goal not to be the strongest trainer, but to befriend everyone he meets around the world.
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>>59030832
>He already beaten all of the worlds champions
holy galarschizo
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>>59030217
She wont molest me! Hmmph I'll show that hag!



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