Why is anti-humanoid sentiment so common? Why do people have it in their heads that humanoid mons are inherently worse designs for Pokemon? Pokemon have always come in all shapes and sizes. If they wanted them to all look and act like animals, they wouldn’t have had humanoid ones like Hitmonchan or man-made ones like Magnemite in the first gen. The design philosophy for the question “What is a Pokemon?” has always been “Pretty much anything.” They were always weird at times, or humanoid, or inspired by a human activity, or whatever else, even if it would be completely out-of-place in nature. Machamp and Krabby are both Pokemon, even though only one of them is animal-like at all. Machamp isn’t less of a Pokemon because of that.
>>59036581I think it’s just design fatigue for starters.
Hitmonchan, Mr Mime and Jynx were the garbage hated mons of Gen 1 and for a reason.No one wants to raise a fucking dude with a mustache and a hat...It's okay to have a few as dex filers, but making them starters evos is heinous
The macho line is like ogres, they fit fineA lizard pretending to be James bond is not fine
>>59036581it’s just more old good new bad unga bunga nonsenseeasiest way to tell if they’re being disingenuous is if they start defending blaziken
incoming Sharty raid
>>59036581Hitmonlee, Jynx, Mr. Mime, Magmar, Electabuzz were all creepy unsettling japanese ogers or demons.Now humanoids are made to be aesthetic ally appealing. We've lost the aspect of monster in pocket monster. Bring back kaiju, yokai, and oni
>>59036581>begin series with magical pet premise>gradually drift into furry pandering grifts>"why do people not like the furries and want pets??"gee what a mystery
>>59036581They’ll always move the goalposts so that all gen 1 mons get a pass, no matter what. You can see it already starting ITT.It’s pretty based that Inteleon and others like him makes so many /vp/fags seethe.
>>59036585This. People are tired of seeing the same shit
People are retarded and don’t know why they hold their own opinions.
>>59036581>Why is anti-humanoid sentiment so common? Then why is lucario so popular and beloved to the point of getting shilled through multiple generations?
>>59036619Forced popularityThey were hyping him as the next big thing before he even came outThe highest rank in mystery dungeon was lucario rank which came out a year before gen 4 even releasedHe also got shilled into having a movieAt the time everyone hated that thing but the layer generation latched on because they thought it was organically popular
>>59036581Because quadrupeds are sexy. Duh.
>>59036630I can handle both.
>>59036602And you all have noone to blame but yourselves for causing the shift, the more bipedal humanoid leaning starters have always been the more popular ones
>>59036613Then the same people crucify Meganium in hypocritical fashion.
>>59036629>Forced popularityis it really forced it he keeps ranking high in popularity polls?
>>begin series with magical pet premise
>>59036602>griftsYWNBAW, btw
>>59036585This. I have good design fatigue. Give me more abysmal dogshit like Samurott please.
>>59036634Meganium is hated because it's way too weak for a started. It would have been more like if it wasn't a starter like Aururos.
>>59036581If it’s humanoid and was released before I was 12, it’s good. If it’s humanoid and was released after I was 12, it’s bad. I have perfect logical consistency.
>>59036589I liked hitmonchan
>>59036581I'm not anti-humanoid. I'm just allergic to faggot designs. Give me Tsareena, Ceruledge, Decidueye, or Mega Chesnaught any day of the week. I'd still think your Clowncat, Trantelion and Quaquaggot are trash.
>>59036581>blaziken is the most popular fully evolved gen 3 starter>infernape is the most popular fully evolved gen 4 starter>greninja is the most popular fully evolved gen 6 starter>incineroar is the most popular fully evolved gen 7 starter>cinderace is the most popular fully evolved gen 8 starter>meowscarada is the most popular fully evolved gen 9 starterThis rage over humanoid starters clearly doesn't correlate with their actual popularity.
>>59036629>At the time everyone hated that thing but the layer generation latched on because they thought it was organically popularIt's so funny how people just get on here and outright lie lmao
>>59036581Pic related is stupid. Final Evo is the top of the pyramid
>>59036636No, there's plenty of shillmons who flop but let him live in his fantasy where no one genuinely likes lucario somehow
The problem with most starters is that they're designed as specific characters and not as a general shape. I can imagine multiple gardeviors or lopunnies existing, but it's much harder to imagine multiple Incineroars or Intelions existing. Lopunny's an interesting example since it's also a jobmon in a sense, but it's concept is reflected in a vauge and indirect way, whereas most starter jobmons are very blunt.
>>59036644>way too weak for a startedAnd that's entirely on Game Freak.
>>59036763>there's plenty of shillmons who flop Good thing lucario is not one of those then otherwise it wouldn't have two mega forms
>>59036581you can't really blame them, they reject the digimonification that started with megas and continue with evolving to obvious human personification. but at the same time, this sells and pokemon is a dying series if they don't try something new. megas are a shit mechanic though. if you want to make a fourth stage evolution make a fucking fourth stage evolution instead of being wishy washy about it.
>>59036796Normies can't criticize Gamefreak because that's unwholesome.Say how they shit it on Typhlosion over a pedo story that was written by Gamefreak, instead of attacking Gamefreak
>>59036825>Normies can't criticize Gamefreak because that's unwholesome.Good thing I'm not a normie and realize what's actually wrong with Meganium then.
>>59036581>Why is anti-humanoid sentiment so commonbecause people need to bitch about something, pokemon's fanbase is fucking huge, so there is a lot of bitches that hate humanoid mons
>>59036590>muscular person with underwearnice mon!>plain slender humanoid lizardoh no, muuuh designs, pokemon died after sinnoh
>>59036599>Bring back kaiju, yokai, and onibut you will not admit the design philosophy is the same as gen 1 and 2, pokemon designs are still amazing
>>59036585Pretty much, the problem is starters will never stop being humanoids because humanoid mascots are the most effective at appealing to today's youth in Japan. Pokemon famously does not give a fuck about what the older fans think because they'll just consoom anyway, so they stay on top of what's trendy with Japanese kids to make sure they sucker in more lifelong drones.It doesn't matter if we've had humanoid starters for so long because for the kids, they've only just gotten into Pokemon, so the fatigue isn't real for them yet. And even if it does happen, they'll just find oldgen mons to grow attached to for that "freshness" of monstrous nonhuman designs, and thus even newgen kids become Kanto fans, furthering the cycle of promoting mons like Charizard and Gengar.
>>59036590
>>59036825You're not talking about normies, you're talking about pokefag consoomers
>Why do people want their Pocket MONSTERS to be MONSTERS rather than fursuitsIt's a mystery.
>>59036880Retards like you are the kind of people who would call the animal on the left more of a monster than the creature on the right Don't even bother replying i just know you're going to shat out more retarded babblering
>>59036644Meganium isn’t weak for a starter, it’s just that with the exception of Whitney and Chuck (and specifically Clair’s Kingdra), Johto’s gyms are nearly tailor made to be good against the grass type.Generally, the harder the game, the more Meganium’s defensive stats and toolkit will shine. It’s quite good in Platinum, for example.
>>59036905>It’s quite good in Platinum, for exampleShh... you'll make people VERY UPSET by suggesting that Meganium has something not going against it.
>>59036905Post your platinum speedrun with Meganium then.
>>59036842>pokemon died after sinnohThis unironically
>>59036581What a weird thing to say especially when Meowscarada is literally an Iberian Lynx, it could totally live in the wild.>>59036590Inteleon's problem is the stupid idle pose with the hand on his hip, he could totally live in the wild, he'd be a gecko climbing up trees slicking around branches or going into lakes and slowly snipe his prey for food. Natural born hunter.
>>59036581because noone likes furries
zootopia 2 proves otherwise
>>59037108why are they the most popular then
>>59036652You haven't understood anything.The problem isn't having humanoid starters. The problem is that for the past few years, all three starters have been heading in that direction instead of offering more diversity.Especially since the designs used to be more subtle. Now, they just look like cosplaying humans because they feel obligated to emphasize overly obvious themes like sports, professions, etc.Even Skeledirge, when he stands on his hind legs, looks like a guy in a suit with hair.There are some that I find successful, like Decidueye or Greninja, which are really well thought out. And others that I think look like cereal box mascots with clothes, like Quaquaval, Cinderace, or Incineroar.One humanoid in three per generation is more than enough.
>>59037142Funny how gamefreak took everything from greninja after this Guess that one guy was just THAT butthurt his kanto shillmons didn't won
>>59036652The only honest poster ITT.
>>59036686No one gives a shit about Incineroar. Primarina is the main one.
>out-of-touch elderly men pretend they're still young and hip instead of old with broken hips
>>59036581>Why is anti-humanoid sentiment so common? Why do people have it in their heads that humanoid mons are inherently worse designs for Pokemon?Vocal minority. Jobmons like Meowscarada. Greninja, Cinderace, etc. have proven time and time again to be the most successful and popular. The only “animal/monster” starter who comes close is Charizard, who is dependent on nearly 30 full years of shilling and nostalgiabaiting due to its Kanto privilege.
>>59037216He’s pretty cute.
>>59037231My hip's only broken because I can't stop fucking your mother.
>>59036642Samuchad is one of TPC’s favoritesNow find a new cope mechanism
>>59037344Necrophilia, fat fetish AND a granny-fucker? Interesting admittance, given you still want to pretend you're on the bleeding edge.
>>59037347No wonder the fat old bitch didn't move.
>>59037358Really? Would have expected you to, given she needed exhuming before you'd got to her. Maybe you're thinking of some other old fat bitch in your elderly days. Or you just forgot and formed another memory to ignore the fact you're ageing rapidly away from being important to Pokémon.
>>59036581Unironically just a loud minority.Meowscarada was insanely popular, people loved her but of course they don't go around screaming "I LOVE MEOWSCARADA SO MUUUUUCH! IF A STARTER DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MEOWSCARADA IT'S A BADLY DESIGNED POKEMON!"Also the comparison in your pic perfectly showcases the mental retardation of these people, not all animals live in packs.
>>59036581Its not about the pokemon being humanoid, its that its hard to imagine them as individual Pokemon of a species.Blazekin looks like an individual member of the blazekin species, one could imagine its lifestyle, its habitat, its predation habits, and how it cares for its young. You can see in your mind 2 Blazekin setting a mountaintop grove alight during a territorial dispute.Inceneroar is a character. It could not exist in the wild and you cannot imagine it as anything but a 1 of 1.
>>59037370>he thinks he's important to Pokemon
>>59037379>Inceneroar is a character. It could not exist in the wild it quite literally doesn't.
>>59036581I can imagine a pack of Venusaurs gangraping Meowscarada, but for some reason I cannot imagine the inverse even with the aid of AI image generators.
>>59037379>Blazekin looks like an individual member of the blazekin species, one could imagine its lifestyle, its habitat, its predation habits, and how it cares for its young. You can see in your mind 2 Blazekin setting a mountaintop grove alight during a territorial dispute.Think you might have a bit of bias there. Blaziken certainly has more animal attributes but it's still overwhelmingly humanoid. Seeing multiple of them together would seem more like a tribe than a pack.Maybe I'm crazy but my headcanon has always been that 3rd stage evos were supposed to be something of an exception. Pokemon usually need to be trained to reach such a stage, live in an unusually harsh environment or have lived long lives or otherwise strange circumstances.Even if the anime has shown packs of them the combined destructive power of several dozen level 35+ pokemon is a pretty scary thought.
>>59037398>thinks about rape and AIslopNice brainrot.I can imagine a pack of wild cats just fine though.
>>59036581Does this guy not know there a fuckload of animals that live entirely in solitary?
>>59037410Forgive Ranjesh, he is a moron
For me the problem isn't the designs like Inceniroar and Inteleon being humanoid, it's because they're ugly and unappealing. I feel the same about Blaziken and Lucario too, never cared for them. But I do like designs like Hitmonchan, Machop line, Greninja, Decidueye, and Zoroark are OK.
>>59037379People who get bent out of shape about predation are so funny to me. Like, you imagine a scenario where a Noctowl swoops down, uses hypnosis on a lone Pichu, eats it, and then spits up an owl pellet with a Pichu skull and are like>yeah that’s how it works they just don’t show it cuz it’s for kids
>>59037379Blazikeks always coping about their man in a chicken suit in the wild
>>59037385Really?>is casual scum>is furry women appreciator>has been playing the series since 1999, while ignoring the non-Game Freak elements of the thing since sameI'm the type of person they've been making Delphox, Meow and Primarina for and with Gecqua literally screaming "feminine design cues", it looks like WW's gonna have yet another waifumon for me to play with, while quadrutards seethe over Game Freak not giving two flying fucks for quadrutards (the "quadrupedal" croc that stands up to spit fire like a male opera singer). Almost as if they know the world at large do not give a shit about generic animalmon quadruped starters any more.
Now that the dust has settled
>>59037410>I can imagine a pack of wild cats just fine though.We're talking about Meowscarada tho, how is that relevant?
>>59037457Main character syndrome is a hell of a drug.
>>59037379>It could not exist in the wild and you cannot imagine it as anything but a 1 of 1.Have you never watched Tiger Mask? Or any form of masked wrestling?
>>59037468Oh don't get me wrong, I am fully aware and accepting of kids being the core focus.Buuuuut they DID in fact make a waifumon shillmon starter for Gen 9, DID in fact cripple its competition by making a female-pandering duck (which looked gay as fuck to straight men) and a spastic busy croc instead of another mammal and did in fact see the waifumon (and "girly" pick) become the most popular Gen 7 starter. And while kids saw the coolness of the pair, any adult with eyes and an understanding of anthropomorphism knew exactly what Game Freak were doing when they did that (which lines up with everything they added as asides and in Teraleak that they see human/pokémon relationships as part of their natural world). Understand yet? Regardless what they do to get the kids on-board, they're doing more to pander to my tastes that to yours and that isn't going to change any time soon. it's too valuable to the franchise as a whole.
>>59037482Buddy I only came here to make fun of your ugly dead mother. I don't give a fuck about your jerkoff fantasies.
>>59037470How is that relevant?He looks like a wrestler more than an animal
>>59036581so the plebs finally moved the goal post to just starters since pokemon like mr.mime and machoke btfo their argument
most feline are loner animals though. The mother abandons her kits when they're old enough to hunt on their own.
>>59036581>Why do people have it in their heads that humanoid mons are inherently worse designs for PokemonBecause Pokemon are supposed to be creatures with many individuals of the same species, not people/characters/mascots. I can understand their appeal and that’s fine, but personally, I want to command a creature in battle, not my buddy in a furry costume.
>>59037466Meowscarada looks like a wild cat, yes.
>>59037537mr.mime where do kadabra and alakazam get their spoons?
>>59037546No it doesn't.
>>59037546I changed my mind yes it does.
>>59036581It's mostly closeted furfags lashing out as a form of projection.
>>59037549My dislike of humanoid Pokemon mostly pertains to starters, but Mr. Mime has and will always be garbage. It’s one of the most universally disliked Kanto Pokemon for a reason.I don’t see how the spoons are relevant to the topic at hand — we’re talking humanoid designs, not Pokemon with props, and Kadabra/Alakazam are inhuman looking enough. But since you brought it up, Pokemon with manmade looking items is a case-by-case basis, at least for me. It depends on the quality of the overall design and in-universe lore. Since the line supposedly has human-level intelligence, I can see them crafting spoon-looking items with their minds. Not perfect, but the rest of the designs are fine enough it doesn’t trigger my ‘tism.And yes, I fully admit that my opinion can be trash, I’m merely explaining my thought process.
>>59037589I accept your concession
>>59036685>I'm just allergic to faggot designs>Give me Decidueye???
>>59037591Wonderful. Enjoy your fursuits, friend.
>>59037555trips of truth confirms
>>59037605Enjoy your autistic seething
Anyway which gen 10 starter is going to be the hyper popular fursuit mon?
>>59037612>autisticYes>seethingNo
>>59037453>>59036591>yeah bro this guy with a literal belt who acts exactly like a wrestler, has a set personality and mannerism, with 100% cartoon human proportions, five sausage human fingers is exactly the same as a humanoid chicken monster that is fighting type without forcing muh themes into your throat and looks like something ancient cultures would worshipOh and most of all, it looks 100% cooler. Lmfao people really are disingenous enough to think the cereal mascot-looking starters of today are exactly same as the humanoid ones in previous gens. If Empoleon was made today it would act exactly like Napoleon, with much more glaring clothes and a forced gimmick tacked onto its design, perhaps it would be holding a literal trident. If Blaziken was made today they'd try to make the martial artist aspect of its design much more apparent, both in personality and design.
>>59036581when it comes to starters a lot of the humanoids suck or feel like bait-and-switch, like oh you thought you were getting a cool fire cat, a cute chameleon or a nice duck? *BUZZER* WRONG, YOU GET ANTHRO FAGGOTBAITbipedal starters that are more obvious about their trajectory like sprigatito or fennekin get way less hate because of that, i mean some people dislike them still but not with the same vitriol as quaquaval or incineroar and it's more because we are getting too many anthro starters which intermingles with the bait and switch hate
>>59037615Pombon for sure
>>59037615I can see both Growt and Gekqua getting humanoid final evos, Something like Blaziken or Decidueye for the former and Salazle or Interleon for the latter. Hard to see Pombon become humanoid unless it comes out of nowhere like Blaziken did.
>>59037639>yeah bro this guy with literal arm bandages and literal martial arts pants who acts exactly like a muay thai fighter, has a set personality and mannerism, with 100% human proportions, human arms with fingers randomly thrown onto a chicken, is exactly the same as a humanoid tiger monster that is dark type without forcing muh themes down your throat and looks like something ancient cultures would worshipThanks for outing yourself, nostalgiatard.
>>59036637>posts the most hated gen 1 mon along with jynx, which even the most avid genwunners dislikeAnd now we have this kind of design as the average starter kek
>>59036585Yep. Humanoid pokemon arent a bad design, but there's just too many of them.
>>59037649Kek you are a fucking retard. You really think the lines on its arms which cleverly look like bandages despite simply being chicken legs are the same as Incineroar having a belt and a ripped jacket, which have nothing to do with a tiger. The ''martial arts pants'' are literally just the feathers covering its entire body from head to toe, they are much more subtle than Incineroar's clearly distinct pieces of clothing. And you really think Blaziken attacking and moving like a fighting type is the same as Incineroar acting like a literal heel wrestler in every way?
>>59037674Kek you are a fucking retard. You really think the fire on its waist which cleverly look like a belt despite simply being fire are the same as Blaziken having arm bandages and martial arts pants, which have nothing to do with a chicken. The ''ripped jacket'' are literally just the fur covering its entire body from head to toe, they are much more subtle than Blaziken’s clearly distinct pieces of clothing. And you really think Incineroar attacking and moving like a dark type is the same as Blaziken acting like a literal muay thai martial artist in every way?
>>59037649Not that anon but blaziken's design are based off 2 chickens the Cochin chicken with feathery legs that look like they have pants and the shamo chicken which are long and tall. I still don't like Blaziken's deign and wished it were a legendary like it's beta design.
>>59036581Normies are just picky, I could easily see fully evolved pokemon being the leaders/guardians of their packs and being less common then endgame suggests rather than an "adult" form every pokemon evolves into.
>>59037688Not that anon but incineroar’s design are based off the tiger that look like they have ripped fur and are big and muscular. I still don't like Incineroar’s deign and wished it were a legendary like it's beta design.
>>59037700>>59037685>>59037649melty lmao
>>59037685>simply being fireit's a literal fighting belt made out of fire bro>The ''ripped jacket'' are literally just the fur covering its entire body from head to toeYeah not really. It has a man chest and plain man arms with the ripped jacket fur just tacked on. >Incineroar attacking and moving like a dark typeDidn't know acting exactly like a character was a prerogative or dark types. And if anything the dark type is extremely forced.>>59037700I would love to think you're just baiting but there's a shit ton of late zoomer retards that think exactly like you so i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt
>>59037700>Beta incineroarBased Zeraora being beta incineroar believer
>>59037649Gen 3: Only Blaziken is humanoid, the details are subtle.Gen 7: A mermaid whose singing voice is enhanced by accessories in her hair, which are human-like features. A wrestling tiger who is muscular and wears clothes. An owl who is a hooded, humanoid archer, firing arrows (he is subtle).Gen 8 : A gorilla playing the drums with rocker hair. A bunny cereal box mascot dressed like a football player. A lizard dressed as a spy.Gen 9: A magical cat with robes and clothes, a singing crocodile with a microphone, hair, and clothes when standing upright, and a duck in trousers who is a dancer.Is it really necessary that all three starter characters have to be humanoids? Instead of having a monster, a humanoid, and something else just for variety?Is it really necessary that as soon as you get a humanoid, it has to wear clothes, look like a furry character, or a cereal box mascot because of some stupid sports/profession theme or other human theme?Because in Gen 3, we didn't just have Blaziken, who is more subtle; sure, they gave you a humanoid. But alongside him, you had Swampert and Sceptile, who took a different direction.
>>59037216You're both wrong, Decidueye is the mosty popular and Incineroar is a not-close-but-not-really-that-far second, with Primarina is a comfortable third spot while still being popular all it's own. Gen 7 was the only gen to have all three of it's starter final evos present in the Top 10 of it's regions' rankings on the POTY poll a few years back for a reason, they all have their own appeals and are well-liked in their own right.
