As of Pokopia, this is the second confirmed canon choice protagonist in Pokemon, straight from the writing of Pokemon's mainline writers. Say something nice about him!
>>59036877Well, duh. Just like Red, he existed before any female counterpart of his did.
>>59036895Yeah, but he never appeared as an NPC or got mentioned after his playable appearance, so the existence of Kris/Lyra left his canonicity up in the air.
>>59036877>not the original onengmi
>>59036903Gold basically doesn't exist anymore in GF's eyes unless it's in the exact specific context of GSC, they only see Ethan in all other iterations of the male Johto protagonist.
he's better like this actuallymuch cuter
>>59036903They had to fagify him after beating Red from KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>59036911>>59036903You guys know Gold and Ethan are the same person right?
>>59036877Red and May Ethan and Dawn
>>59036963Nope, they're treated separate, the same way Kris and Lyra are different characters, otherwise Gold would've kept his name instead of becoming Ethan/Hibiki.
>>59036963just like leaf and green, right?
>>59036970Yeah, those are the same too, treated the same, in similar roles, always the same. They have never been treated differently before, and never will. See Kris and Lyra for an actual example of treating two versions of the femMC as different people.>>59036968Why do you lie? There has never ever been a single instance of Gold and Ethan being treated as two niggas like Kris and Lyra do. Pic related dropped yesterday for fuck sake who do you think you are fooling?
>>59036981If they're meant to be the exact same, why change the name?
>>59036988Remake!MCs are alt timeline versions of protagonists that sometimes have even an entirely different biology (different eye color, skin and hair) and you think getting a different name that fits better within the context makes them different? What a fucking retard.
>>59037002Cool! So Leaf from FRLG is canonically the exact same person as Green from LGPE, a deranged psychopath obsessed with Legendary Pokemon who has a petplay fetish? That's Leaf's canon personality and role, too?
>>59037013No, schizo, no Pokemon character is a deranged pshychopath with a petplay fetish, your fetish isn't canon.
>>59037030Green literally proposes that if she can't have Mewtwo, she'll capture (You) so she can own Mewtwo by proxy, and throws multiple Poke Balls at you. She's very clearly mentally unwell.
Let’s GO Pikachu/Eevee is the current canon Kanto. This means if they ever give us Let’s GO Pichu and Let’s GO Togepi they can bring Kris back from the dead because as of right now her world has been nuked
>>59037035>proposes that if she can't have Mewtwo, she'll capture (You) so she can own Mewtwo by proxyGlad we agree nothing in the game actually confirms your disgusting fetish fanfic
>>59037046Nah, LGPE is explicitly alternate continuity. Some of its features like region design have become superseding canon, but many of its key details in terms of narrative are inherently incompatible with the narratives of other games.Red is still lorded as the legendary trainer who dismantled Team Rocket by beating its boss into hiding, when it should be Chase who did that if LGPE was new canon, as LGPE Red is just a random skilled trainer who had no involvement in Team Rocket and no confirmed history of being an Indigo League Champion.Mina existing at the time of Kanto's events would mean she'd be in her 30's at minimum by the time Alola's events started, which would disqualify her from being a Trial Captain, which means LGPE would be explicitly incompatible with SMUSUM.
>>59037058She literally throws Poke Balls at you. She wants to capture you, like a Pokemon. So she can command you, like a Pokemon, so she can command Mewtwo, an actual Pokemon.That's literally petplay.
>>59037059Correction, Red and Green are confirmed champions in LGPE, literally one of the first things you learn about them, but in a different way. Until the climax of the Kanto game you become Champion by beating the Elite 4 and that's it, Champion is just an award and you fuck off and continue your life, like in Alola's old Island Challenge. It's at the end when they decide to add the Champion to the gaunlet so the next trainer to become Champion becomes part of the league and becomes the final boss to face for any other potential champion, that's why Lance tells you that by beating him you would have been the champion if not for Green doing it before, he was faster so now you have to beat the Elite 4 AND the previous champ
>>59037077Still, the continuity differs. Red isn't the legend who whooped Giovanni so bad he went into indefinite hiding (else he shouldn't even BE in LGPE for Chase to repeat history), and Mina literally cannot be a Trial Captain if she was in her 10s back during the events of Kanto, when Red in SMUSUM very clearly looks like a man in his 30's, thus implicating that Mina should be in her 30's too.
>>59036877I was aware Pokopia referenced Red, but I didn't know it did the same for Ethan. Neat.
>>59036921thisgoldfags are trannies and brown
>>59036903>still forcing your shitty forgotten goldEthan is better but i do feel the same for brendan, nu-brendan is a terrible design and its sad to see him become the standard version
Alternate dimensions are canon, time travel is canon, The continuity is fucked beyond general broad strokes.None of this matters as long as i can get kino battles and cameos with more old player characters.
Ethan is canonically stronger than Red btw
>>59038306They turned Brendan so tan he might as well as be actually brown. What the fuck
Still my favorite protagonist to this day.
>>59038342There's no one definitive strong character, what strong truly is changes over timeEven Ash lost to Misty right after being titled world champion
>>59040351you shouldn't be thinking about little boys like that, Wicke.
>>59040365yeah it's better when they struggle a little, makes it more engaging
>>59036877lmao
GIVE MY BOY BACK HIS YELLOW SHORTS AND GOGGLES DAMN IT
>>59038295>says the person who likes femboi ethan>>59038332>i-it's canon!then clearly LGPE is canon, riiight?>t-that's not what I meant!!
>no one posted what was said in PokopiaNice fucking thread, faggots. Couldn't be less blatant about jerking off to boys?
>>59041102>cancerous animal crossing clonefuck off faggot
>>59036877>>59036895>>59036899>>59038342>>59040413Am I the only one who just assumed that the male option is the canon protagonist by default for every game?
>a Kanto game acknowledging Johto rather than vice-versabullshit
>>59041102
Krisbros... it's over
>>59041312her outfit is in as "Sporty Top" at least
>>59036877The amount of people who put this much thought into which interchangeable blank slate of an avatar is canon is odd
>>59041107When I was a kid maybe I would agree but japs really love their cute girls Dawn will definitely get considered the canon protag in the future
>>59038332trvkethis franchise is too convoluted
>>59041105cancerous animal mine crossingcraft clone THREAD
>>59041107the gen5 males are so ugly i've memoryholed them from even existing
>>59041107Nah me too
>>59041148Aw sweet
>>59041102I thought the entire point of this thread was to specifically jerk off about Gold
>>59041312Leaf and Kris both exist in the Pokemon universe, going by their notes left behind in Pokopia, they're both just rando Trainers that exist in their respective regions that never became anything special, but are still living their best lives
>>59041148I'm honestly surprised they even said the gender of the champion, since the entry for Lyra avoids bringing up the gender of the Johto Day Care couple's grandchild, which by the logic that Ethan is champion, their grandchild would be their granddaughter, Lyra
>>59038342Red became a living legend in Pokopia, we don't know what happened with Ethan
>>59041092100% all games are simultaneosly true and any inconsistancies are caused by dialga goofing around.
>>59043042>became a living legend in PokopiaPretty sure that was stated by an NPC in HGSS, but was more in your face by B2W2 since the announcer calls him that as wellEthan seemingly stepped down or lost to someone as champion, who knows what the fuck happened to him after that, but he was successful enough that >>59041148 he's being used as a way to advertise for more people to start living in New Bark Town because he grew up there
>>59042974Also Leaf's because why not, they're just randos beyond the fact we've played as them before
>>59043055Ethan seems like the kind of person who would win the championship and lpse the title because he forgot to file his registration or something. Red is more fun to imagine as a recluse who gave up the league title because it was holding him back.
>>59043079This, Red won then immediately gave up the title and fucked off because he's autistic and needed to get even stronger. Gold seems like the type of guy who'd get canceled and have the title rescinded posthumously because back in New Bark he told the Police investigating Silver that his name was actually "Fartass."
>>59038342Nate trumps both
>>59043950And Elio stomps Nate, but Rei bodies pretty much everyone else both physically and in a Pokemon battlePokemon isn't a series of power levels anyway, and any character can be defeated no matter how strong they appear
>>59043950>>59044069Lucas has to be the strongest because he beat gods with regular pokemon
>>59044197>>59044069>ReiOops yeah he would be the strongest
>>59041107It's only the case for Gens 1 and 2
>>59036877>>59045065Serenabros...
>>59045086Never explicitly stated to be "a former Kalos region Champion, a boy from Vaniville Town", which would be the smoking gun of evidence. For all we know that's just Calem's fashion going trendy because whether protagonist or rival, Calem is a notable name in Kalos culture due to being one of the heroes who fought against Lysandre's omnicidal insanity.
>>59036970the one on the right is so much sexier than the one on the left
>>59036877They've been assigning the different gendered protags to game versions since gen 5. It's almost always:Pokemon: A and BProtagonist: Boy and GirlThat being said, I don't think anyone would get too worked up if Dawn were canonized as the official DPPt protagonist. She's massively more popular than Lucas and probably has a higher pick rate as of today.
>>59045221sinnohtroonsisters... not like this....
>>59044069>And Elio stomps Natezero proof of this whatsoever
I'd let him feed me.
>>59045231>zero proof of this whatsoeverUltra Necrozma is far beyond any of the other characters Nate has battled
>>59041107It goes: >Red>Gold/Ethan>May>Dawn>Hilbert >Nate>Serena>Elio>Victor>Florian
>>59036877>Pokemon's mainline writersGamefreak didn't make pokopia, they're credited as co-developers because they provided the assets and engine, that's all
>>59036877>canon protagNo such thing in mainline games.Everything confirming anything like that comes from spinoff media and shall be discarded.
>>59046365GSCHGSS, B2W2 and SMUSUM are spinoffs?
>>590464101 is not a prime number :^)
I thought it was Lyra
>>59047079The only argument for Lyra is they redesigned the player's mom in HGSS to look more like she would be her mom, over the original where she looks like Ethan/Gold, but that falls flat when you realize Red's mom has blue hair (which Origins ignores and just makes her look like an older female Red)Ethan is consistently in all tellings of the Johto story, so it makes sense he would be the canonical protagonist, in the same way Red is, after Gen 2, since there's always a boy and girl in each game who could possibly be the protagonist is far more dubious
>>59047520I still would like to see more Green/Kris and Leaf/Lyra Mt. Silver art.
>>59036877>spin-off game not even made by gamefreak"Canon" autists sure are something else.Red is the only canon protagonist just like how Gen 1 is the only Gen that matters and Kanto is the only region that matters.
>>59049297Game freak’s name is on this though, Koei did the actual development Game Freak is listed as co-developers meaning this game has the canon seal of approval. If anything it’s infinitelymore canon because Koei respects Pokemon unlike Game freak
>>59041107Nah, me as well.
>>59049297For me personally, I don't care about canon, especially in a series like Pokemon that has separate canons depending on medium. If I like a character, that's all that matters to me. And I like Ethan.
>>59049297GameFreak conceived the original scenario and are credited as writers and directors.Omega Force might have made the game part of the game, but GameFreak worked intimately with them to make sure Pokopia could tell the story GameFreak wanted to tell and adhered to their vision of the Pokemon World, especially for a setting as significant as "Post-Disaster Kanto".
>>59045852cutie
>>59051983He's so precious...
I'd choose him to go on a Pokemon journey with.
I love how bold and confident he is
>>59036877>Say something nice about him!he canonically defeated another confirmed canon choice protagonist: red
>>59041148>come to New Bark Town to have sex
>>59054477>Grew up happy amidst the nearby greeneryand touch grass
>>59038098He's so cool...
>>59036970Leaf is Blue
>>59041148I'm glad they confirmed a male as canon, I'm tired of he fucking game using they/them all the damn time
>>59045150Who would possibly look at this painting of someone dressed just like Calem in a significant location from XY and think "There's no evidence that's Calem; it could just someone who dressed like him because he became famous in-universe"?
>>59041148>not mentioned by nameThat could be any random boy from New Bark Town. Professor Elm doesn't just give a set of starters to one guy.
>>59057614LZA is the same game where you can literally cosplay as various characters and it's implied to be in-universe trendy because of their social statuses.
>>59041107Only when you are a kid.When you are an adult you realize that only girls are getting asked their phone number or are riding Machamp or are going around the region making their Pokémon’s PP go up.Canonically, only the female player can even go into Celadon gym.Pokemon spent exactly 1 gen, the first one, marketing towards boys. Every gen after was always an attempt to bring in girls.
>>59059098>Canonically, only the female player can even go into Celadon gym.This is why canon means relatively little in Pokemon, though, because if it were canonically true that only females can enter the gym and challenge it, then how does one explain Red, Blue, and Gold? Red is probably the most "agreed upon" canon protagonist, but he couldn't exist if he wasn't allowed to challenge the gym. Blue is viewed as canon due to Red having to beat him after defeating the E4 (as well as appearing Sun and Moon), and Gold is also often viewed as being a canon protagonist due to Red's presence and status in Gen 2. But again, I don't think what's canon and what's not matters in Pokemon since the games generally focus on their own self-contained stories with the occasional references and appearances of past characters mainly there for fan service.
>>59057689you argue like a jew
>>59059771Because there are more than eight gyms in the Kanto region, it's just that in the journey as depicted by the games, you only ever deal with the eight gyms we know.The fact Red legendarily dismantled Team Rocket is purely because he didn't want to give up on going after any specific gyms, even though he could have very easily rerouted to other ones.
>>59059771Gen 1 red is a tomboy.
>>59059771>>59059098>>59060349Red, Blue and Ethan all didn't give a shit, it's pretty clear Red actively ignored any and all of the girls in that gym that tried to get him to leave to go battle Erika, battling them to get them out of the way if they tried to stop himErika herself doesn't seem to care one way or another, and isn't upset at all that you're in the gym, so it seems like something the other Trainers there made as a rule, and since Erika is found sleeping till you challenge her, she might not even realize what is happening in her gymDumb bitch has Team Rocket running a casino in her city, and she hasn't done anything about it as well, so she's likely meant to be not the most attentive of people
>>59036877As someone who doesnt own Pokopia...Why is this the case?
>>59060477To go alongside the Kanto and Johto protags and rivals getting costumes for your Ditto, you get a note that references all of themNoticeably the note related to a former champion from Johto brings up the character is a male and from New Bark Town in the text, pointing towards Ethan being the character >>59041148
>>59060477See>>59041148
>>59041107i do, too
>>59060132That's mixing different canons, though. I'm guessing you're referring to the anime? The Pokemon anime is its own continuity (just like the manga is, for instance), with its own canon. In the games, Kanto has eight gyms. The Fighting Dojo is the closest thing to an unofficial gym. You can't challenge the Elite 4 without eight specific gym badges, which includes the Rainbow Badge. So according to game canon, the Celadon Gym has to accept challengers regardless of gender, despite what some NPC dialogue might suggest.
>>59061265No, actually, I'm referring to a line from the games themselves. A student's notebook in Viridian's Trainer School.>Fourth page... The goal for POKEMON trainers is to beat the top 8 POKEMON GYM LEADERs. Do so to earn the right to face... The ELITE FOUR of POKEMON LEAGUE!Obviously a school promoting trainers to take on the Pokemon League proper would encourage trainers to take on only the best gyms in the region. "Top 8" implies there's more than eight, thus we can infer there are other gyms Red could have went after. But he was so fixated on the idea of proving his worth through the TOP Gyms that he refused to pivot when any of them were inconvenienced, which also just so happened to include a final showdown with Giovanni.And since the game world is fundamentally abstracted to only focus on details that are relevant to Red's journey to become Indigo League Champion, hence why Pallet Town only has two houses yet clearly has a population that should demand more housing, we don't get to see or hear from those other gyms because Red has no reason to care about them since he's shooting for the very top to ensure to himself he's absolutely ready for the Pokemon League.
>>59036911I still call his HGSS counterpart Gold. If Gamefreak is not going to put in the effort of changing Silver's name, I'm not going to put in the effort to adopt the name Ethan. Gold is better anyways.
>>59036877Best male protag from the best games
>>59061328You got me there. I didn't remember that line from the Trainer School. You are correct, then.
>>59045160because she looks more like a child to you, you pedo
>>59036903:^J ass face
>>59057689he's literally the only male child in New Bark Town to fit the criteria necessary
>>59061265>The Fighting Dojo is the closest thing to an unofficial gym.The Fighting Dojo WAS a gym, one of the Trainers in Sabrina's gym actually brings up that Saffron City used to just have 2 gyms at one point, but Sabrina beat the fighting gym's leader into submission, and made him give up being a gym leader, leading to just running a dojo by the time of the Kanto games
So who are your personal canon protagonists and starter choices?
>>59045150Only protagonist Calem wears that hat
>>59063096RedEthanMayLucas/Rei (I'm of the came that believes the theory that the Sinnoh and Hisui protags are the same person)HilbertNateSerenaSelene (for SM)Elio (for USUM)VictorJulianaHarmonyStarters, I'd just do the way they handled Red, and just give them all starters to avoid a canonical pick
>>59058285He's so cute...
>>59063096RedGold/thread
>>59041107>Am I the only one who just assumed that the male option is the canon protagonist by default for every game?Don't feel alone anon. I'm also looking for Paxton tin can badge like you.
>>59036988Naming the protagonists/rival by the color of their version became an issue when they introduced female characters that gamefreak wants to move away from that. To begin with you have the whole Green/Blue thing where Green is Blue and Blue is green, and if you picked the default rival name in blue version he's also Red. Then you mix in the manga and now we have Red, Blue who is actually green, Green who is actually blue, and Leaf who is kinda Green who is actually blue but not really. GSC got lucky because their female protagonist only released on the third version and now they have a neat Gold/Silver/Kris with no issues. RSE sidestepped the problem by making the rival the opposite gender to make an easy Ruby/Sapph, with Wally as the named rival, making a good template for games going forward. But then they gave up that same game and called them Brendan/May, and have used this random canon name basis for every game going forward. So while kanto is grandfathered in, they're trying to retroactively apply it to the GSC crew which is weird because it's the only games where there isn't any confusion on who is who.From the beginning we should have had the protagonists named after their versions and the rival given a normal name and kept that trend. Now we have shit like Florence and Gloria.
>>59059771You've made me aware we could have gotten an FF7 style side quest where you need to sneak in the gym dressed as a girl to challenge Erika. This would also imply Blue had to do the same, and lead to a fuckload of fun fanart.
>>59068545Going by a few things Red and Blue were originally just going to have the names Ash and by proxy Blue would be Gary, just like their anime counterparts, it would have been fitting anyway, since that meant Red in Japanese would be Satoshi, the creator of the Pokemon series, while Blue would be Shigeru, the man who helped get the Pokemon series even be possibleBut they ended up changing their minds and naming them after the first two version titles, which ends up helping differentiate them from their anime counterparts, but in a way, since Ash and Gary were just meant to be an animeified version of them, seems extremely unneededAsh ended up evolving to become his own independent character only loosely based on Red as time went on anyway
>>59066254oooh those are nice
>>59069345when I was in highschool in 2011 I would sometimes daydream about all the protags+blue, silver, and wally running a train on me
>>59071119Who had the biggest cock
>>59041084Where did the goggles and the brat vibe come from anyways?
>>59072829That’s how gold is portrayed in the manga, even the baby Pokémon he hatches becomes delinquents
>>59072796Uhh, I don't really remember, I think red and gold.
>>59071119Random... but also, hot.
>>59072829To appeal to the Digimon crowd.
stealing reply #157 so that typhlosionfags can't have it hahahha suck it nerds
>>59075779Why are Houndoomfags always edgy tryhards?
>>59037046>Let’s GO Pikachu/Eevee is the current canon Kanto. Nope GF confirmed FRLG are the definitive Kanto experience.
>>59037064I can already tell you're autistic.
>>59041107Brendan was sent to the shadow realm, May is the canon protag in Hoenn.
>>59037046>Let’s GO Pikachu/Eevee is the current canon Kanto.It's not, both because Let's Go contradicts things with the mainline games (Mina being here wouldn't make sense with the SM lore of trial captains), and the series have been very explicit that Red is the protagonist of Kanto, he's the only protagonist they outright confirmed in this whole seriesLet's Go exist in it's own timeline/universe
>>59060471>Dumb bitch has Team Rocket running a casino in her cityConsidering the manga, her family are very rich, so it wouldn't surprise me if they made deals with TR so Erika looked to another side.
>>59068545>Red>BlueIf Yuiichii was canon, he would be Green. Shame he will be forever bound to the concept files.
>>59036877>>59036903>>59036911Why did GF retcon Gold in HG/SS?
>>59036970Leaf and Green are indeed the same character.
>>59078876They redesigned him. Like every single protag for their remakes except the Gen 4 ones.
>>59078876There was no retcon, his name was never spoken in game, if "Silver" ever shows up in a mainline game I doubt he'll be called Silver
He can be such a dick, sometimes. And I love him for that.
>>59038295They can simply just be gay and want to butt blast his shota-hole
>>59041107It makes sense for Gens 1 and 2 since they only had male protags at first. I’ll add BW1, since N is clearly based on gay anime boys like Kaworu, meaning his dynamic was written with Hilbert in mind. Add Alola too, because of all the promo art featuring the guy, along with Ohmori’s self insert romance with Lillie. You’re out of your mind if you think May/Dawn/Gloria aren’t the “intended” protagonists for 3/4/8 though.
>>59080770BW makes sense for a guy just because N and the player character's relationship and the fact you both get one of the dragons is very obviously meant to parallel the two brothers that originally had those dragons in the pastThe same could be argued for DPPt, since Palmer brings up that he and your character's father got their starter Pokemon in the same way you and Barry do in DP, but that's more of a reach, and can easily just be "kids following in their parents footsteps" type of deal
>>59063096>Gen 1Red, with Bulbasaur. The first Pokemon, and Blue’s rough tryhard nature makes more sense with Charizard, who was the “speed oriented” starter in Gen 1.>Gen 2Ethan, with Chikorita. Fits the overall comfy/homey aesthetic of Johto, and the greater focus on leaf imagery HGSS added. Typhlosion’s color scheme and bancho collar/coattails makes sense for Silver, seeing as he is a delinquent. >Gen 3May, with Mudkip. A pretty clear balance between land and sea for Ruby and Sapphire, and Brendan (who does fieldwork) gets Treecko to help him survey the local forests.>Gen 4Dawn, with Turtwig. Twin leaf Pokemon for Twinleaf town, and fits as a Gaia/Mother Earth type Pokemon in acceptance of Sinnoh, to contrast with Cyrus’s clinical autistic outlook. Lucas gets Piplup because cutemon, and Barry the monkey hothead works with Infernape. >Gen 5Hilbert with Oshawott. Pretty clear “heroic” Pokemon for the chosen hero. Cheren gets to have the smug one and Bianca the silly pig. >Gen 5 part 2Nate with Tepig. Needs to be the same gender as the BW1 protag for the mom to confuse them, and Hugh’s spiky blue color scheme and sense of justice fits Samurott.>Gen 6Serena with Fennekin. Mostly aesthetic purposes, since Calem would get Froakie and Shauna Chespin.>Gen 7Elio with Rowlet. Unfortunately, Decidueye really fits Hau better visually, but Kukui having Incineroar as his ace makes too much sense to pass up. >Gen 8Gloria with Sobble. Stealthy pokemon fits with the idea of some rando coming out of nowhere and dethroning the champ. Cinderace also fits Hop and his tryhard football player vibe, since Dubwool is his “signature.” >Gen 9Florian with Fuecoco. Gluttonous pokemon for the guy who makes sandwiches all day. Meowscarada also fits Nemona and her showy extroversion. Male protagonist for the Kieran jealousy/NTR Ogerpon story to make more sense.
>Florian ever being canonLmao
>>59079014They have used his name as "Silver" in merchandise and the Masters EX game. His name is officially Silver
>>59036877What are your opinions (headcanon) on what makes a protagonist or starter choice canon? For me, mainline games have the most weight (Red having Bulbasaur as starter due to LGPE but get's all starters by the time of HGSS) and the runners up are the anime because the games heavily reference the anime and also the Masters EX game which is a game itself
>>59063096>Gen 1Red and Bulbasaur. I'm just influenced by Pokespe and the fact that Charizard just fits Blue.>Gen 2Ethan/Gold and Cyndaquill. It's just canon, same with Silver and Totodile. >Gen 3May and Torchic. Bit influenced by the anime desu, but I like having the MC using a Pokémon that when it evolves get an advantage against Norman's normal type.>Gen 4Lucas and Turtwig. Dawn being with Piplup comes straight from the anime for me and Barry using Chimchar just fits him perfectly, that leaves Lucas with Turtwig. >Gen 5I think both Hilbert and Hilda fits being the canon MC, and I can't choose the starter that fits them. Nate however is obviously the canon MC of BW2 and the pig is his starter mainly because Samurott fits Hugh better.>Gen 6 Calem. I'm pretty influenced by the anime here, I can't see Serena as the MC and Champion, Calem just fits better being the MC and Champion, and being the Mega user of his group. Chespin is his starter. >Gen 7It's Elio. Starter is Rowlet.>Gen 8Victor and Scorbunny. >Gen 9Florian and Quaxly.>LegendsNot-Lucas for Arceus with Oshawott and the pretty boy for ZA with Chikorita.>WWShota-Kun. Fire.>Let's GoBoy. Charmander.
>>59036968>Kept his nameExcept he was never called that as a default nameLook at the Gen I protagonist>Red (R) / Green (G) / Blue (B) / Yellow (P)>Satoshi (RP) / Shigeru (G) / Tsunekazu (B)>Jack (RP) / John (G) / Jean (B)>Yamaguchi (RG) / Gēfuri (B) / Gēfuri1 (P)and then Game Freak and fans are calling him Satoshi with both the anime and in their own written material. Then GS come out and he's an NPC and he's called Red, same in Crystal, B2W2, SM, USUM, LGPE, Masters, merchandise, etc. The first Pocket Monsters manga calls him Akai Isamu, but Red for short, the Special manga from 1997 also called him Red, but Zensho called him Satoshi.For the GS protagonist>Gold (G) / Silver (S) / Chris (C)>Hiroki (G) / Kamon (S) / Yousuke (C)>Tetsuo (G) / Tōru (S) / Takehiro (C)>Takashi (G) / Masao (S) / Takao (C)>Satoshi (SW97G) / Shigeru (SW97S)Special and Golden Boys went with Gold, the anime went with Kenta, and the PM manga went with Kinnosuke (Kin from 金 gold). Fans assumed that he would be Gold in the same vein as Red and having some alternative mediums where he has that name. Similarly, the rival was called Silver by fans as an extension of what happened with the Gen I rival becoming Green in Gen II.Then HGSS happened and he appears as an NPC named Hibiki and that became his default name going forward. The Gen II rival never appeared as an unnameable NPC until Masters, and so they just kept Silver for that. Unless Masters does a Gen II protagonist alt for Ethan called Gold (1999), he's Ethan.
>>59066254It’s cool these exist. Hopefully they keep doing them
>>59066254Some of these badges imply the woman is the protagonist though, like Calem’s having Froakie and Serena having Fennekin which would make Calem the rival
>>59041107I don’t think it’s canon for every game, but Paxton & Meganium is definitely the canon MC and starter pairing in Legends ZA.
Why was Typhlosion allowed to be in Pokopia despite the pedo allegations?
>>59085170because it was innocent
>>59078922but one of them is mad
>>59056631Women can be protagonists too, chud
>>59087863Birsh
>>59081013> What are your opinions (headcanon) on what makes a protagonist or starter choice canon?Pretty much what shows up the most often between games, manga, and TCG.
>>59066254>Chad protagonist is the only one with a grass starterBased
>>59036968He was never named Gold, you retard.
>>59041107Maybe it's just me, but I feel 8 gen pushed Juliana over Florian too hard, and now I can't help but see her as the "canon" version
>>59082851warm and cozy
>>59036877Genuinely asking, what does it matter?How does it change anything?
In the games they basically were the same since they were silent protagonists but I like how their designs show their personalities- Red being the stoic and Gold being the cocky one.
>>59041107The canon one is the one of your same sex
>>59041107That was me
>>59036877Yeah his canon starter is totodile
>>59041107All except Dawn. She has a great design and just looks the part when you think 'Sinnoh,' while Lucas is a black hole of charisma.
>>59041813This was the deciding factor for me to buy, them throwing Kris a bone after all these years.
>>59063096>Red/Charmander>Ethan/Cyndaquil>Kris/Chikorita>Brendan/Treeko>Dawn/Piplup>Hilbert/Tepig>Rosa/Snivy>Serena/Fennekin>Elio/Rowlet>Chase/Pikachu>Gloria/Scorbunny>Rei/Rowlet (only because of Hisuian Decidueye)>Juliana/Fuecoco>Paxton/Totodile
>>59077490Ages don't mean shit in the Pokemon world. Characters only look as young or old as they need to, and in most cases don't age at all.
>>59099491Actually, throw in Leaf/Bulbasaur to my list, too, since I added Kris.
>>59099498Time actually moves in the mainline games anon, Red and Blue are grown adults by SMMina can't be in SM as a trial captain, since they make a point that you have to step down from the position once you reach adulthood
>>59101392Time moves, ages generally don't. If they do, they'll keep it totally vague with no actual number. Basically, all you need to know about how old they are is if they're "kid", "teen", or "adult".
>>59101529It should be also pointed out that Red's design has been consistently his FRLG design for B2W2 and the adult version of Red is based on his FRLG lookWhere Let's Go is more of an updated modernized version of his Gen 1/RGBY look, aka the one Ash is based on, which instantly makes it not likely to fit in with the main universe we follow in PokemonIt's much more in line with Gen 1 and 2, but that in itself doesn't work since Mega Evolution existBut again, Let's Go seems to be set in it's own universe unrelated to anything elseNot like it matters, since the moment they made Red not the protagonist, it wrote itself out of being in the same world as the other stuff, when Red has always been stated to be the protagonist of Kanto, the one consistent thing
>>59101706I have seen nothing yet that keeps Let's Go from being part of the "Mega Evolution universe" that all the games from Gen6 onward has followed. Since Johto hasn't been remade yet, I can't say for sure if Red or Chase is considered the hero against Team Rocket (which is the actual important part of being the Kanto MC), and Red's cameo in Alola says nothing for or against the possibility of being replaced. Plus they continue to make reference to Let's Go with mentions of Pewter Crunchies as Kanto's regional (if barely edible) snack.
>>59101748Literally Red, because he looks different, which should be the biggest tell it's not the same, which I will continue to repeat, even if you don't want to believe it, since it is a clear factor in expressing it's not the same universe
>>59041107That’s because of the anime. Ash is a boy. So we get May. So we get Dawn. So we get Serena.Gen 5 is an interesting one and I genuinely think Hilda is more popular
>>59101752Of course he won't look the same. Different universe.
>>59036877>before mewing>>59036903>after mewing
>>59041107canon protags:>red>gold>may>dawn>hilbert>rosa>calem>chicken-chan>dgaf about switch slop
blessed thread
Canon shirtless Ethan
>>59106161It’s from the HGSS official quiz book
>>59106161Hope Wicke doesn’t see him like that…
>>59106161He’s wearing a bra
>>59036877>this is the second confirmed canon choice protagonist in PokemonQRD?
>>59106238cringe kys
>>59036981>Girl side>Boy side>Penny in the middleWhat did they mean by this???
>>59106362She's the only one who doesn't get an outfit change between versions.
>>59106344Pokopia is very explicit in a note that the "former" champion from the Johto region is male, and they were from New Bark Town and studied under Professor Elm, making it very obvious they mean the male player character of Johto, Ethan >>59041148It's actually a funny contrast with Lyra, since they run with HGSS' way of handling the opposite gender that's not being played, as they go with the fact the one you're not playing as is the grandchild of the Day Care people, as it's brought up in a note, they don't list the gender of the grandchild, but since you unlock Lyra's outfit from that note, it's obviously about herKris also has a note, showing that she exist still, but she's really just a random unimportant Trainer over all >>59042974 she's just exploring the Ruins of Alph and trying to get gym badgesLeaf is also established to exist as well, a note saying she's exploring the Sevii Islands, but like Kris, she's just a rando Trainer in the world
>>59106161>>59106191Now we need canon bottomless Ethan
>>59107026>former champion is Ethanso who is the new champion?
>>59107764It's not said, it's just stated he's a former champion, so it might be a Red situation and he just stepped down
>>59107590Go back to Sinnoh, Perrin
>>59107764Me
>>59098336>Lucas is a black hole of charisma.Which pokemon protagonists has any charisma in the first place? None of them even talk and you can't really piece together anything about their personality other than the fact that they like to challenge gyms and help people out.
>>59108772I'm sure anon is just going on the vibes of their design more then anythingAnd before his Platinum updated outfit, and the PLA take on him with Rei, Lucas looked like shit, so I can understand where they're coming fromTill we got the SV protagonists, I unironically thought Lucas was the worst looking mainline player character, if we're just talking about DP (Gale of Darkness' protag is right there with him in a shit design at that)
>>59080829>Ethan, with Chikorita. Fits the overall comfy/homey aesthetic of Johto, and the greater focus on leaf imagery HGSS added. Typhlosion’s color scheme and bancho collar/coattails makes sense for Silver, seeing as he is a delinquent.Has Gold ever not been depicted with Cyndaquil as his starter? Explosive red fits his gen 2 bratty look more and Silver corrupts the happy go lucky dile into a violent gatr
>>59113884the earlier art by sugi shows him with either totodile or chikorita. But the manga, the thunder special, and nearly every piece of media after give him Cyndaquil
>>59041148It never says "Gold"It just uses "he"This is a translation thing
>>59119017Probably didn't even say "he" in Japanese.
>>59119025Almost certainty didn'tJapanese doesn't really use gender-based pronouns I can't believe 4chan of all places doesn't know this, especially over a decade after the Hunter X Hunter Pitou shit
>>59041148>>59119025Found it, and stand corrected, it does say "he".>>59119052Retard.
>>59085170>Why was Typhlosion allowed to be in Pokopia despite the pedo allegations?Because he doing work fo rditto
>>59036903Look at this little troublemaker
>>59085170Because Pokopia was made by the (few) good game freak employees along side Koei who respect Pokemon (so they disregard the smut written by that pedophile intern) and want to pander to real fans (every non Kanto starter in Pokopia was the people’s choice of their trio).
>>59119556>2 fire typesIs he stupid?
Couldn't let the thread end without hitting the image bump limit too.Ethan/Gold/Hibiki deserved it. Best Pokeboy. Coolest Pokeboy. Sexiest Pokeboy. He's got it all.
Ethan is such a faggot
>>59121141Nah
