Why did GameFreak even bother to come up with fictional fruits, only to canonize their real counterparts later on?
>>59037009death of creativity in the pokemon franchise
>>59037009all these could pass for berry slices save for rawst. why did they make it blue?
>>59037024To make their laziness obvious.
>>59037009It's almost like the berries were never meant to replace the actual fruits and are just consumable items they came up with. Or are you so stupid you honestly think Brendan could make grow any random fruit in Kyushu just watering the thing?>ummm today I will make a berry tree that will give me... pineapples! Sure why not
>>59037009this>>59037012>>59037250They can catch the world destroying mons so sure why not.
The regular fruits always existed alongside their counterparts.
>>59037009Because berries are items that have pokemon-specific effects they needed for a game because pokemon is a video game.
They have a hard time deciding what does or doesn't exist in their worldIt just shows how little they care
>>59037791>realfags will eat strawberries when having a burn and wonder by it doesn't magically dissapear
>>59037012>>59037097>>59037791It is weird how many people here just seem to fully resent every aspect of Pokemon yet choose to stay here
>>59037250>It's almost like the berries were never meant to replace the actual fruits and are just consumable items they came up with.Then how come every single berry references a real fruit in name and appearence? It's either one lucky coincidence that 68 berries follow the same pattern, or it matches GF's then-intention to continuously seperate the pokeworld from the real one, which by chance also started around that Gen (same with animals and RL locations).>Or are you so stupid you honestly think Brendan could make grow any random fruit in Kyushu just watering the thing?Oh, I forgot that the games are praised for their realism. Like houses lacking restrooms, or the protagonist never having to eat or rest. Retard.>>59037761Maybe in the first gens when the series didn't have enough content to establish a world on its own. But now they are obsolete as berries also count as food eaten by humans and pokemon alike.
>>59038042>Then how come every single berry references a real fruit in name and appearence?So they're easily recognizable for people.
>>59037776Then GF could have stuck with those berries they introduced in Gen2. Adding obscure berries with magical properties alongside real fruits would have been fine.>>59037863The mons, lore and worldbuilding are pretty neat. The way how this IP is handled deserves criticism.
>>59038085>Adding obscure berries with magical properties alongside real fruits would have been fine.Which is what they did.
Imagine Applin and alcremie existing without recontinuing real fruit to the game. What berries would they use?
>>59038042Which devil fruits are these and what powers to they give?
>>59038042So what are those yellow things under Tropius's chin if bananas were retconned out of the series in gen 3?
>>59037761They tried to retcon fruits out of the anime but not sure about the games. Berries were also called fruit in the Japanese version but berries in most other languages, which just made it seem weird when you read pokedexes mentioning fruits.
>>59037009I don't have a problem with real plants existing alongside fictional ones. But it's fucking ridiculous that none of the Scarlet/Violet sandwich ingredients include strictly fictional food items beyond the Herba Mystica, both as an isolated case and especially compared to other instances of cooking in the series. I didn't play Sword/Shield, but Serebii tells me that game allowed you to put berries in your curry, what gives? Implicitly, even in Scarlet/Violet, the meat products are made of Pokemon, but the game certainly does not put a lot of focus on that. Just like how certain features throughout the series only really appear once and are then later cut or are left in but unattended, the berries are occasionally ignored even when using them in some context would make sense. And the last time we got multiple new ones introduced was gen 6. Legends Arceus had a total of one new berry, otherwise I could have said we've had none since then. I know Game Freak knows people like in-depth fantasy lorebuilding like the berrydex, but for whatever reason they don't give as much of a shit anymore. Either because the scope of the games escaped their capacity for working on them ages ago, or because they genuinely do not have anyone anymore who could put in that sort of work, be it because of lack of interest or loss of ability.
>>59038119Obviously Leppa and Rawst Berries, given Applin's design is already based on a Leppa Berry. For Applins other evolutions, GF could have introduced Leppa Berry variants, with different effects based on the base berry. Same with Alcreamie, use a red Rawst variant for familiarity.It wouldn't be a farfetched idea, as real fruits also come in different shapes and colors. And Rawst, Pinap and Nanab variants already exist in LGPE and GO (although they're all just recolored in silver and gold to show the effect gets stronger).>>59038190Bananas, but could be also an unspecified berry / fruit unique to its species; or Nanab Berries which GF forgot to correct. Dex entries never specified what kind of fruits it currently grows, only that it had to eat those before. Now, how comes a newly hatched Tropius already bears fruits in-game? On another note, was Tropius ever officially shown with different fruits?
>>59038230>They tried to retcon fruits out of the animeThat never happened, the gen 3 series had a whole episode about a Snorlax eating all the regular bananas from a garden.
>>59038042Most fruit is man made from breeding for specific traits. Pokémon's version of fruit could be selectively bread version of berries for human taste preferences and better cultivation. You only get 3is berries per harvest)
>>59038230The Leftovers sprite resembles an apple stalk, but given how all item sprites were usually copied over to the next games without change, who knows if it's also another detail GF forgot to correct. For example, Poké Ball sprites (and every variant that's just a Poké Ball with some extras) show an orange upper hemisphere, even though other sprites or models in the same game show them red. They only fixed this once they switched from sprites to icons in Gen9.>>59038262>I don't have a problem with real plants existing alongside fictional ones.I wouldn't mind real fruits either, it's just how GF suddenly introduces these out of nowhere just for a one-time gimmick. When the previous games never mentions any of this and make you believe the set lore.>the meat products are made of Pokemon, but the game certainly does not put a lot of focus on that.Meat is just another rabbithole.> I know Game Freak knows people like in-depth fantasy lorebuilding like the berrydex, but for whatever reason they don't give as much of a shit anymore. Either because the scope of the games escaped their capacity for working on them ages ago, or because they genuinely do not have anyone anymore who could put in that sort of work, be it because of lack of interest or loss of ability.Could be also the lack of time to properly polish the game. Corporate greed be blamed.>>59038315Keep in mind that the anime is rather lax when it comes to keeping minor plot points and details coherent. Bananas could have been used not because real fruits are canon, but the animators simply needed something for Snorlax to devour. By the way, there are also a few anime-exlusive berries, such as the Pinkan, Melody and Rinka Berry.
>>59038432>For example, Poké Ball sprites (and every variant that's just a Poké Ball with some extras) show an orange upper hemisphere, even though other sprites or models in the same game show them red.The colour differences could be explained by hardware differences. On a PC desktop, or just about any modern display, the raw video signal of a GBA or DS game appears different from how it looks like on actual GBA/DS hardware, and gen 3 on GBA certainly took this into account considering how many people complain the colours in them are all washed out (it's to account for the GBA screen being dark).
>>59038469Yes, but that's only an issue with GBA. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the DS screen had already a better display that made this adjustment obsolete. Even SwSh had those orange sprite.The item sprites were never altered since the games they were introduced, starting from Gen3, and only copied from one game to another.
>>59037009>the anime kept showing regular fruit after gen 3, like the banana garden in Advanced or the watermelons that Ash uses to teach Treeko bullet seed and in the beginning of the 12th movie>Mystery Dungeon never once stopped using Apples and they're prominently featuredIf GF really wanted berries to replace all real life fruits then no one else working on the franchise cared. Also in FRLG lore Kanto's soil can't grow berry trees. So if they're supposed to replace all fruit then what do the wild Kanto Pokemon eat?
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>>59037009I can only assume that they wanted to use sweet ingredients in the cooking mechanic, but didnt want to give access to berries is the same way that you have access to ingredients, so they used fruit instead.
Why do they have to be mutually exclusive? Have they ever been? In general 2 berries/fruit are incredibly open ended in terms of general interpretation and range from the literally named PrzCureBerry to the "flavorfully" descriptive Mint Berry and Bitter Berry. The generic Berry could be, theoretically, any real world fruit but then why not just say apple or orange? And even in gen 2 the berries grow on weirdly shaped, clearly fantastical bush trees. From their inception berries are shown to be naturally occurring foods that have properties that exist for Pokemon and their only human application in the whole series is the medicine mashing machine in FRLG that clearly leans into them being mystical and unusual in nature. They transitioned to the rearranged fruit/veggie names to give the possibilities and flavor of the system more depth. Also leftovers being a chewed up apple wasn't even represented in game until FRLG so basically you're dumb and making stuff up
>>59038772That only makes sense if you think pokemon is a video game.>>59038792>Why do they have to be mutually exclusive? Because its the only way to have a contradiction to bitch about.
