>THE LEVEL SCALING SUCKSIncorrect, you skipped the optional caves and trainer rematches.
I just traded all my mons in for the 50% exp boost. Also was able to give feraligatr dragon dance as an egg move.
>>59046847No, it objectively does suck. I had to go in and manually give each Pokemon an extra 50 in base EXP yield.
>>59046847I did not skip the optional caves and trainer rematches. It still sucks.
>>59046847Unova fans don’t know how to beat NPCs unless they’re at least the exact same level as themIt’s the same reason they bitch about SV not having level scaling
>>59046847>Incorrect, you skipped the optional content
wow I totally forgot I could rematch joeys rattata 200 times bro
>>59046871>beat NPCs unless they’re at least the exact same level as themUnova is poorly balanced. Either your -10 level Pokemon is one-shoting everything or your +10 is not doing any damage. You have to be at the same level and box OP Pokemon to have any interesting battles.
>>59046847Especially Gym Leader rematches. My cute, fluffy and innocent Togekiss was Lv81 and Feraligatr, Nidoking and Ampharos were 75-77 after rematching Misty
>>59046891This was a great feature, best gen.
>>59046849>I turned my gatr into even MORE of a discount gyarados.Still boxed after lake of rage.
How is it current year and people still think being underleveled is the only complaint about the scaling?
>>59046964Because if being overleveled was the issue people would also be screeching about gen 5 having a terrible level curve.
>>59046968BW doesn't have level 20 trainers and level 15 wild Pokemon after 6 badges
>>59046975No instead it just has lv32 trainers after 6 badges while you have multiple mid lv40s Pokemon
>>59046887they're both poorly balanced and generally far worse than their fans claim they are
>>59046981>BW has [issue that's found in most mainline Pokémon games and dates as far back as RBY]Ok
>>59047008and yet GSC and HGSS don't have this issue, so.....
>go west after Morty >beat Chuck and Jasmine >go back towards Mahogany>now i'm fighting team rocket grunts with lvl 18 Rattata>RIGHT BEFORE THE 7th gymnothing wrong here, everything working as intended
>>59047016>GSCAnon, most if not all normal trainers in Kanto are underleveled compared to you, what the fuck are you on about?
>>59046847I know this is true in the original games.Not sure with HGSS, haven't replayed them.
>get 8th gym badge>my Quilava is still under level 36 and only just learned Flame WheelPerhaps I judged the Chikorita line too harshly.
>>59047044And yet the people screeching about the level curve are whining about being underleveled, so…
>>59046847>Trainer rematches>When the only good ones for exp are only available on certain days and at certain hoursKek no
>>59046847>thread about Gen 2>suddenly, UnovaWhat fuels /vp/‘s obsession with Gen 5? It always shows up.
>>59047342>thread about complaints of Gen 2>suddenly, [group of people who are very obviously the ones making the complaints about Gen 2]
>>59047342Yawntranny just wanted an excuse to shitpost for the 1000000th time.
>>59047342They're convinced it's le ebin underated KINO
>>59046847Easy game
>>59046847No, HGSS were just dogshit at balancing because the game's level curve was not adjusted for the absence of Badge Boost, Type Boost and the use of modern EVs over Stat EXP.This isn't a GSC scenario where you can thug it out with 1-3 level 40s because they're doped up on boosts that basically make them equivalent to a level 50, you either actually reach 45+ or you get raped because your comparatively limited EVs are absolutely going to be dogshit from how many turd fodders you've been grinding out at all prior point sin the game.
Does anyone actually complain about the Johto games being too hard? The problem is they are way too easy. The three parts where the difficulty spikes are the only times you get to have real pokemon battles.
>>59046847My vulpix one-shotted jasmine's steelix with a critical hit flamethrower 2 levels under This win still feels undeserved
>>59047476>>59047478fucking kek
>>59046847>optional cavesI do them every playthrough. Doesn't fix the leveling, I'm afraid.>trainer rematchesOnly open up after Clair, and are basically just grinding if you actively seek them out and call them up, since they don't call you directly much at all. Your take boils down to "i-it's not an issue if you just grind!" aka exactly why it is an issue.
>>59047516It’s also not an issue if you’re not retarded and aren’t bad at RPGs designed for toddlers to beat.
>>59047516>trainer rematches>Only open up after ClairYou can't even lie properly.
>>59047349No, that's Kojo, because he hates every DS game and will go out of his way to complain about them. He'll only even marginally defend another game to shit on exactly Gen 5, and will ignore the fact that the Battle Maison in Gen 6 is about as engaging as >>59047463 unless you, as he would say, "play like a retard".
>>59047530This is true. OP's reasoning is retarded when he could have just said this. >>59047539You don't actually play the games. You cannot call up a trainer for a rematch in HGSS until you've obtained all 8 Johto badges. Is this the new Yawnfag tactic?
>>59046847>thread about Gen 2>suddenly, KalosWhat fuels /vp/‘s obsession with Gen 6? It always shows up.
>>59047563Why would someone who argues the DS games are easy make a complaint that suggests they’re hard? Your fanfic has some plotholes, sagie.
>>59047580Unironic mindbreak from yawnfag, despite the fact he hates every game period, except USUM (and even then STILL hates most of USUM).
>>59047342Unova raped me
>this pokemon game is harder/easier than that pokemon gameYou might be retarded.
This thread is going well.
>>59046847I simply transferred up rare candies from Emerald.
Venn diagram of people who complain about HGSS’s level curve and people who complain about XY being too easy
>>59046847the optional caves don’t have any trainers
Do people actually struggle with Johto games?
>>59047673Yes, I’ve learned this board is infested with people who are fucking terrible at Pokemon games. I like to call them “camaignshitters”.
>>59047673it's more the other way around, the game is too fucking easy, but that's more of a pokemon issue in general, it's just that going for the latter 8 gym leads and them having level 40mons after the elite 4 is really fucking sad
>>59047695
>>59047697>it's more the other way around, the game is too fucking easy,No, because then the complaint would just be “the game is too easy” instead of “the level curve sucks”
>>59047705Why wouldn't the complaint be "the game is too hard" rather than "the level curve sucks" if that's the case? Level curve screeching has always been fake bullshit spammed by people that just want to complain.
>>59047720Because they know that complaining that these toddler games are hard would be a self-report that they’re massive retards. You see the same shit with people whining about SV not having level scaling.
>>59047705The former is a symptom if the latter, saying the level curve sucks encapsulates saying the game is too easy
>>59047755No one ever says “XY has a bad level curve”. They just say “the game is too easy”. Complaining about the level curve specifically implies that the level curve is too difficult for them.
>>59046944>Flaaffy used ThundershockTime to get back toiletgatr
>>59047769>this game is too easy>why>because it has a shitty level curve where the game stagnates in progress and you spend most of it fighting vastly underdevelled opponentsIt's really that simple bro, no need for the part where you call it easy when it's already impliedAnd XY's level curve is fine, it's easy for other reasons (exp distribution and some of the most poor boss battles in the series)
Reminder that free level 50 Magikarps exist in HGSS right after Morty because they couldn't bother to fix the level curve
>>59047807Really? Where?
>>59047815Route 43 by surfing
>>59047802>this game is too easyNo one ever says this about HGSS.
>>59047829Bro, your level 50 Magikarp you can get as soon as you beat Morty?
>>59047829literally already been said multiple times ITT
Search “HGSS level curve” on somewhere like xitter and leddit and the context is always that they’re bitching about needing to grind more.The “i-it’s actually too easy” is a cope. This fanbase is just intensely dogshit at Pokemon games.
if youre not always grinding at least just a little bit youre playing the game wrong
>johto and its level curve is so dogshit that people complain about it both being too easy and too hardnot really the own you think it is
>>59047905>people complain about it both being too easyno one actually does this
>>59047887>This fanbase is just intensely dogshit at Pokemon games.Whitney, May 2 etc. And apparently FrLg Misty now lmao.
growth is stunted in the back half of johto which means pokemon are going to be stuck with their mid-tier 20s and early 30s moves for a long time. and if you've got something that evolves late, it's going to evolve REALLY late. this doesn't make the game unbearably difficult but it is less interesting.t. someone who actually plays the games
>>59046847Im not backtracking all the way to fight youngster joey again before I have fly.
>>59047908I do. Always have. The majority of the game is against NPCs with vastly lower levels than you before randomly jumping up to give you one (1) decent fight in Clair which is less to do with the levels and more about how good Kingdra is especially against the Kanto/Unova rosters then completely falls off again. It's a boring fucking game with the most embarrassingly easy fights in the series in the Morty-Hideout stretch and Kanto's glorified Boss Rush.Even worse if it's GSC because then you have badge boosts injecting your Pokemon with steroids.
>>59047917>t. another retard that doesn't know what a tm is
>>59048001>t. another retard who doesn’t know TMs in Johto suck too
>>59048036Just git gud at Voltorb flip. You’re not a casual are you?
>>59047922the overworld is designed to make backtracking easy, get filtered
>>59047624bold faced lie
>>59047578only 7 liar
>>59046847Its not even skipping battles and losing exp. Its the sheer misconception of "must be equal levels with every major fight!!!" The way Gen 2 works is that once you're done with Johto, you got a whole ass other region to pick clean. If we had to go by the logic of Gen 1 and have a team of level 60+ facing against the Elite Four, then every fight in Kanto should include teams ranging from 75 to uhhh 120?????? Not only this makes no sense gameplay wise but it would also turn Kanto into a slog trying to go through every fight against massively leveled teams. Could there be some slight improvements? Absolutely but there's no such problem taking place, its just another case of people being convinced about an issue online by e-celebs and the like just because it was well presented.
