Why is hating on Gen 5 become so controversial? I didn't like them back in 2010 I don't like them now.
>>59050329It's called the passage of time. Gen 6 came out and people like you realized the error of their ways.
>>59050329because hating gen 5 became so common that contrarians decided it was boring to hate on it now so they switched over to liking it as the new contrarian opinion
>>59050329because that opinion became attached to annoying people who poisoned it
>>59050329India had no internet access in 2010
>>59050329The games were amazing but the anime was shit and that helps market the current gen Gen 6 was ass but had an amazing anime. Idk bro
>>59050372BW Anime wasn't so bad.
Most gen 5 criticism at the time was superficial and whiny. Not that it's flawless or that there is no good criticism, but that MOST criticism by volume at the time was superficial and whiny. As time went on, there was simultaneously less belly-aching and more knee-jerk contrarianism in favor of it. Then it settles out and you have primarily 2 camps that are both biased and stupid.Me, personally, I loved it when it came out and it's still my favorite region. But you have so many schizos that despised it when it came out for not having charizard and pikachu and so many schizos that refuse to accept that having like 5 mons available for the first 5 hours and 3 gyms is a bad idea. Plus nostalgia, both for its predecessors (any of them) and for it itself, which obviously muddies things, but because it was controversial at the time there's way more straightforward gut responses than level-headed thoughtful ones.
>>59050437If it doesn't have Pokachu it ain't Pokemon.
>>59050441Good news: you can, in fact, have a Pikachu in Pokemon Black Version or Pokemon White Version. You simply need to transfer it or trade it over.
>>59050450>post gamewow
>>59050456>trading is postgame
>>59050349this
>>59050329I've always hated anything after gen 4 because it no longer felt like Pokemon. A lot of gen 5 Pokemon just felt like worse versions of gen 1 Pokemon and it sucks that you couldn't use gens 1-4 Pokemon till the post game. HGSS were the best Pokemon games ever made and then it was all downhill from there.
>>59050329>I didn't like them in 2010You were like 2 back then you faggot. Still needing a wiki to troll?
>>59050372That was a constant for the first 8 gens, not 5.
>>59050349This isn't fully it, but it's a part of it
>>59050343when gen 6 came out I liked gen 5 even less
>>59050349This is fully it.
>>59050372The games were shit. Barely any improvement over Gen 4 and in many ways worse.
>>59050343BW1 was considered a bad game back in 2010 and it's considered a bad game in 2026BW2 was the saving grace of Gen 5 and that didn't save Unova's mons from being forgettable trash
>>59050349I always liked them. the sequel much more. they were the series peak before they made the jump to 3d and broke their ankle on the landing
>>59051533>it was the series peak even though it’s worse than HGSS in every conceivable way>they broke their ankle on the landing even though it’s worse than XY in every conceivable way
>>59051517BW was considered the best game in the series in 2010 and was only complained about by fags who wanted to run into zubat and nothing else in caves.
>>59051550It was also complained about by fags who want exploration, difficulty, and good looking graphics in their pokemon games
>>59051555Fags have never been able to judge something accurately considering their lack of discernment, after all.
>59051541>vp hivemind says hgss is peak so it has to bestill doesn't beat unova, cope about it lmao. xy was decent but saying it's better than b2w2 is, well it can be your opinion but it's wrong
>>59051575Why should I play gen 5 over gen 4 or 6?
Everyone hated gen 5 on here when during its leak season. The pixelated sprites, the oversaturated designs. Everything becomes good once nostalgia kicks in. It’s the same for every gen and it’s happening to gen 8 right now.
>>59051642>gen 8>nostalgia Man fucking kids have zero tasteI cant waaaait to hear how great blackops 4 and halo 5 was
>>59050329Because gen 6 and onward have shown everyone what an actually terrible Pokemon game looks like, not "it's bad because it's not KANTOOOOO," but legitimate shovelware that any other IP would never get away with releasing. So now you're all being viewed as the drama queens that you always were.
>>59051687Gen 6 and 7 are better though
I am 40 and I think Pokemon peaked in Gen 8
>>59051693Better at being bad, yes.
>>59050329this: >>59050370
>>59051710No, better at good writing, difficulty, map design, graphics, qol, etc
>>59050329cuz borts are in their 20s nowthey were 12 max when BW came outhad no voice then, have a voice now
>>59051697unironically Joe
>>59051597gen 5 has the biggest circlejerk of those two so you will be able to interact with a far more passionate and vocal community
>>59051550>BW was considered the best game in the series in 2010me when I lie
>>59051388this except I could stomach Gen VI until Gen VII came out and shattered the illusion that Pokemon was at that point anything other than dead.Now with the failure of Gen IX and imminent failure of Gen X, I've decided truly nothing matters after Gen IV, the last of real Pokemon.
>>59050437you're calling others schizo while dismissing all its criticisms as petty and still holding on the pikachu and charizard cope borts use to deflect from the dex being shittily designed
>>59051713Why do Indians love Gen 5 so much?
>>59051659you jest but I’ve seen halo 5 apologists recentlythey claim it had a good multiplayer (it didn’t)
>>59051749>reddit agrees with me>also people didn't complain about not being able to use muh charizard and pikachu that's a lie bort bort bort
>>59052824They like shit, you do the math.
>>59050329Because the kids who felt bullied for liking it a decade and a half ago became the loudest voices on the internet, turning every discussion into an opportunity to talk about how Gen 5 is "peak" and bitch about the genwunner boogeyman.
>>59050329Liking gen 5 is controversial as well. It's simply that people noticed the transients don't have a gridlock on gen 5 discourse anymore so people can talk about its pros and cons more sincerely now. With plenty of fags still complaining about nonsense of course, but whatever.
>>59051388I don't hate ALL Pokemon post Gen 4 but I do agree that starting with Gen 5 there is a noticeable decline. Each gen still has some Pokemon designs I like but Gen 5 was the first where there were a lot that just didn't feel like Pokemon. Designs began trending towards totally cutesy and less grounded/animalistic. It didn't help that Gen 5 was intended as a soft reboot and a lot of the designs were literally knock-offs of Gen 1 pokemon but worse.Gen 1 isn't like a shining beacon of super creative designs (sentient pokeball with anger issues, a purple rat, sentient magnets, etc) but they all felt cohesive. They feel like pocket monsters. You could actually imagine them existing out in the wild in groups.Too many pokemon these days are designed as characters first, species second. And ever since Gen 5 starters(and a lot of other pokemon) have leaned too hard into "elemental animal WITH A JOB"
>>59051388TRVE
>>59050329For the same reason hating gen 2 became mainstream. Some dipshit youtuber said "GEN 5 IS LE BEST GAME IN THE FRANCHISE" or some shit and their mindless peons latched onto it.
>>59052824Indians hate Gen 5 since it depicts a clean, beautiful, functional first-world country with no shitting streets (everything India is not) and because it wouldn't let them redeem their Jeetachu and Charisaar. Shitholes like Kanto and Kalos are much better for their izzat.
>>59051642lol gen5 was peak and before leakshit ruined /vp/ hype seasons
>>59051388Gen 5 is where they started making serious deviations from the formula.That being said, I hold more appreciation towards it nowadays, considering what came after.
She fucking won
>>59054124sex with little brown girls
>>59054115This. Gen 5 being so flawed allowed them to learn from their mistakes and course correct in Gen 6.
>>59054163*yawn*
Retards have always had bad taste. Gen 5 is the best gen
People who claim BW were despised are completely retarded and just repeating what they heard.Black and White were the most pre-ordered games in Japan when they came out.Black and White were the most pirated games for two years.Black and White caused so much Pokémon traffic on /v/ that this very board was created to contain it.The "only new Pokémon until the post-game" thing was known about months before the game came out because Masuda stated it as promotional material and the "hatred" is exaggatered to a ridiculous degree.The only reason Black and White didn't surpass RS and DP in sales was because they were released in the twilight years of the DS while the later two were released during the heights of their respective consoles (obviously they weren't going to beat RGB or GS even if they were released earlier). The overpriced 3DS came out in the west the very same month Black and White came out, and the two were not mutually beneficial.Black and White were said by Masuda to be his magnum opus, yes, but he said this about numerous games. Diamond and Pearl had 7+ years of planning and Masuda called it the ultimate Pokémon game befitting of the title "Diamond", to the point that Ruby and Sapphire were named as such as a lead up.Yes, there are people who hated them when they came out.Just like there are people who hated Gold and Silver because the fad was over.Just like there are people who hated Ruby and Sapphire.Just like there are people who hated Diamond and Pearl.Just like there are people who hated X and Y.Just like there are people who hated Sun and Moon.Just like there are people who hated Sword and Shield.Just like there are people who hated Scarlet and Violet.
>>59054163Gen 6 started the gimmick slop so nice try
>>59054177To be fair the volume of complaints was still high; it was socially acceptable to shit on it for trivial reasons and it was the dogma of the time, even if all of what you said was true (which it is)
>>59054184hidden abilities were the first regional gimmick, moron.
>>59054195Not a gimmick.
>>59054189But the volume of complaints is always high. Back then, they were just the typical genwunner complaints that always arose whenever a new Pokémon game with many new designs appeared. I don't even like using the term genwunner because it's more like people who played Pokémon when it was a fad and stopped when it stopped being a fad, it's not like they're nostalgic for the game, but for the time when they felt like they were part of a social phenomenon, the very same thing that made GO popular. But it's just framed as "critique" despite boiling down to "I DON'T LIKE NEW DIFFERENT DESIGN" bitch-ass complaining. These were the people who treated no old Pokémon until the post-game as a big deal, but they wouldn't have bought it anyway. The hardcore players spend 90% of their time in the post-game as it is, and the very few ones autistic enough to say "I can't use my bro that I've brought up through every game!" are just lying out their ass. The Time Capsule couldn't be used until Ecruteak. Ruby and Sapphire had no backwards compatibility. FRLG couldn't trade with Hoenn until into the post-game. Pal Park was post-game in DPPt. Even 3DS games and later needed to wait for Bank or HOME compatibility.
>>59054195Wasn’t it double battles? Ya lint licker
>>59054248What he means by regional gimmick is typically defined as "mechanic appears as a status quo changer, but is written out by the next generation and only revisited when that generation gets a new tie-in game in the future, along with spin-offs and the anime"Mega Evolution is the original example. It's introduced with a big special button, and is prominent throughout the generation, particularly within the story. Mechanically, it's the most limited because it's limited to specific Pokémon and requires an item to use outside of Mega Rayquaza and Let's Go. Thematically, it seems like a no-brainer, a further stage of evolution, but more like a super form rather than a sequential next stage. As an example, if there was a Mega Charmeleon, it would look more like a super powerful Charmeleon than Charizard or a Charizard parallel, like how Mega Floette doesn't look like Florges. Mega Evolution would continue to be used throughout Gen VI and VII (not that Gen VII really did anything with it), and returned in PLZA, and Primal Groudon/Kyogre are basically the same thing.Z-Moves replace the Mega Evolution button in Alola games. Mechanically, they're more balanced by being usable by all Pokémon, though some get signature Z-Moves. However, Z-Moves are specific to Alolan characters.Dynamax/Gigantamaxing is the next regional gimmick and removes the held item requirement of Z-Moves while some Pokémon get unique forms and moves. It's specific to the Galar region and will definitely be used in Legends 3. Masters has to bring in Eternatus to allow Dynamaxing in its region, but don't expect it to be like Mega Evolution.Terastallizing is the most recent regional gimmick.Double battles have been a part of practically every Pokémon game since they were introduced. You'd have a point with triple battles if they were ever featured prominently in the story in any capacity.
>>59054311how is that any different from hidden abilities? they had an an entire website dedicated to them in gen 5 and it got dropped immediately the next gen, lol...
>>59054316Hidden abilities still exist in every game, even in LGPE where abilities aren't used at all.They have no story relevance, they're just a third ability. They aren't treated as the next big thing only to be dropped after their debut generation.
