I got into the series again because of Leaf Green. I beat it twice in a row then bought Violet on Switch 2.I think they aimed the age bracket TOOOOO low with this entry. I always felt the other mainline games up until now were appealing for children but not to the point of being completely infantile. For example if I was 10 I would find the dialogue cringe and babyish and wouldn't have wanted to play as the gimpy little boy we control and that's a fact... You come downstairs in your house, interact with the stove, and it says some shit like "the induction stove, better get mommy to help me use this". Wtf.Your character walks around looking like a straight up gimp. You literally look exactly like the Bug Catcher small children from all the other mainline games in your gimp shorts and gimp hat. I haven't looked like that since I was 5.Sad bro just sad. Actual 11 year olds play games as Tommy Vercetti, not as gimpy momma's boys. Maybe nobody at GameFreak remembers being 10.
>>59072170You're right, but such is life
Reposting this because I think it applies here, credit to the OP:Jap boomers have become so soft They don't like edgy and cool things anymore because it will scare their grandkids who will cry, shit and piss their pants if they see such intense and brutal characters like GSC Feraligatr, the original Red and Gold trainers and Rareware Donkey Kong, or get scolded by Mr Resetti, thus they had to tone him down, give him a girl's voice and a job doing chores.
The babyfication of everything is ruining society. You know Stand By Me? That film referenced in Red and Blue? We've got adults now that are less capable than these kids and today's kids are literally retarded. Idiocracy is ahead.
>>59072177I just hope we aren't heading into a Disney Adult era with the mature fandom, where they want to regress to being in diapers so actively demand more infantile dialogue with rivals who want to be "best friends" and call everything you do amazing.I don't want a Bob's Burgers situation where the most vocal fanbase becomes people who go online after every single episode to post about how it made them cry. Because then the people in charge think that's what the people want and start pumping out fanfiction type slop that never rocks any boats.What are people predicting for Wind and Waves? They got your boy back in proper clothes.
>>59072246Wind one has a cowboy hat, I'm pretty much setI usually wear all White outfits with red trim to look like a premier ball
>>59072170Galar is even worse DOE
>>59072170Shorts aren't the only comfy things. Remember who tried to pretend sharty wasn't trying to defend scat & vomit after all
>>59072246People universally shat on the SV uniforms so hard I think even GF got the message they weren't liked.
>>59072243>You know Stand By Me? That film referenced in Red and Blue?I don't, actually.
>>59073864When you interact with the TV it says something about four kids walking on a railway track. It's a reference to the movie.
>>59073872>>59072243
>>59073885And here it is in the Bump Of Chicken music video
>>59072246>Bob's Burgers situation where the most vocal fanbase becomes people who go online after every single episode to post about how it made them crykek so that's why someone was so pissed about it
>>59073885>>59073888lol nice
>>59072170>bought Violetlol
>>59072170They're all kids
>>59072170Hit it right on the nose. Even for action heroes, marketing will say to add a kid sidekick to make it more popular with children, but the action hero is the one who's cool and the kid is just annoying.
Nobody wants to be a kid, even 3 year olds say they're "3 and three quarters" to try and sound older. The only people who want to be a child are pedophiles. They fumbled.
>>59078221>pedophilesjust like gayfreak employees then, i guess they really do make games for themselves
>>59073885>4 niggas in a row reference>in a game where it's 6 niggas in a columnWow pokemon is a deconstruction of the Japanese RPG.
>>59072170You mean you didnt like the looping upbeat jap-pop as your character goes to school where 5 FPS children talk about how great Pokemon are and how cool you are for learning about Pokemon??>>59072246>I just hope we aren't heading into a Disney Adult era with the mature fandomThe proper tendies are already there, if pokefags dont resist we're doomed.
>>59072170>Maybe nobody at GameFreak remembers being 10Alot of people running companies seem to have forgotten this. Kids don't want to be kids when they play games, they want to be 40 year old Muscle McLargeHuge, badass extrodinare. They wanna be Batman or Goku. That little shit child side character they added to appeal to the youngins? We all fucking hated him.
>>59079031Based>>59079101The japs probably wish they were infants again so they wouldn't have to be sararymen with soul-crushing workdays
>>59079437It's everyone's duty to make advertising on 4chan and trying to control a board much more soul-crushing than being a salaryman
>>59079935It's already trash to post on normally
>>59072170only for the "country" that wanted to advertise without getting laughed at
>>59072246No wonder the marketing department was crying so hard about being compared to Star Wars
>>59082071backstory?
>>59079101Dragon Ball started with Goku as a kid for a big chunk of the story and He-Man was always cringe I am not saying you're entirely wrong btw, I always thought it was cringe that kid's cartoons starring adults somehow fell by the wayside for a decade or two.
>>59078202That's been a thing since the 40's, and Spider-man's entire concept was a young hero who was the mc and not the sidekick Though to be fair, Peter Parker is still an older teen older than the reader/viewer, and almost always immediately grows up to college age, at the very least
Most games have already removed children protagonists, what the fuck are you guys talking about? When was the last time Link was a child? There were tons of kid protagonists in the NES and SNES and they're almost completely gone now because adults don't want to play as kids - literally the reverse of what you guys are talking about. Pokemon is one of the few franchises where kids are still allowed to be the protagonists. The issue with the SV MC isn't that he's a kid, it's that he looks like effeminate - and that's because the game tried to homogenize the genders.
Gen 6 was the shark jump, and people blame the jump to 3d but that really wasn't the issue, it just happened to coincidence with that as wellYes the 3d was ugly and lifeless, but they were still making the game as a top down 2.5d gameplay experienceIt's when they did the redesign of art direction, started making the characters noodles with buck teeth and doll faces and decided gimmicks are the way forward in a totally non-memorable regionXY is when the franchise was castrated
>>59082102Link's Awakening HD. Last non-remake Triforce Heroes (guessing you're a more casual Zelda fan).They pick and choose what age Link should be, by how they approach the game (usually the 2D/ex-handheld games roll younger Links, but the last 2d-type game featured a girl to play as instead) while they decided to make a sequel to breath so decided to use the same Link. Next 3D game will likely continue with a more older tenn Link, but the mid cycle project will likely go younger as a foil (and because I doubt they'll be trying to re=tread the same ground as the 3D effort does).
To some extent this is really just SV being particularly bad about it, the character design was just miserable in every way. Even though protagonists have started to look younger since Gen 7, even the SM version of the guy just looks like an actual kid trying to look cool like Red with the clothes he has in his closet. He isn't actually there yet but I appreciate the attempt, it's believable for an 11 year old. On the other hand, the SS guy looks like a fag like some previous trainers (DP and XY immediately come to mind, even if his fagginess is a lot more mild) while the WW protag looks basically normal. It's like judging Gen 5 entirely off Nate, Hilbert is right there and sick as hell.
>>59082113>buck teeththat's hilarious if they did that when the characters stopped being asian
>>59079101>That little shit child side character they added to appeal to the youngins? We all fucking hated him.Thank you. I don't know why they feel the need to add some shitty kid for the audience to relate to, but it always flops. Chris in Sonic, Tiff in Kirby, you name it, anytime they add some random nobody kid, the story ALWAYS slows to a crawl. And they always have to use that kid as a proxy for life lessons.>Brush your teeth>Eat your vegetables>Mind your mannersSame with all those PSA segments at the end of American cartoons, I hated those growing up. I can learn those lessons at school or on my own, I don't need the ninja turtles or Sonic telling me not to smoke or do drugs.
>>59072170That guy still looks better than what we have now
>>59072170Kids are a lot smarter than how they get treated, they can tell when they're being talked down to and feel insulted
>>59072170Very good arguments actually. Each generation really has a strong portrail of its time period and newer gens tend to be super sanitized in many aspects much like how things are for us today. Its so much more controlled, restrained and dare i say, toxicly positive, even the slightest suggestion of edge or something more dark is unthinkable and THAT is more uncanny than any amount of early gen pokemon logic.
ZA kind of did the older protagonist thing again. No feel on how old the WiWa protags are.
>>59082664I remember thinking Inspector Gadget was the cringiest shit ever as a kid because every episode would end with the characters teaching table manners or traffic safety or some other shit that felt like it was written for 3 year olds. It wasn't even its own segment, it was part of the episode.
>>59082113>It's when they did the redesign of art direction, started making the characters noodles with buck teet....so HGSS?
>>59082664>>59084045More like written for kids whose parents relied on the TV to babysit them. I doubt parents like that taught the kids about table manners or traffic safety
>>59084684younger characters don't teach you anything either other than being annoying
this thread feels very samefaggy
>>59084045Inspector Gadget was before my time but Penny was sexy
>>59084684A lot of parents indeed suck massive ass and expect kids to figure everything down on their own but to narrow it down further, it's more like written by writers getting yelled at by concerned parent groups(karens of yore) and being afraid to piss them offFor instance, the 80's Real Ghostbusters cartoon. Some moms bitched about the secretary character being too sexy, they also said kids are afraid of sharp edges and told them to round out her glasses more. Later the animators and writers found out they literally made that shit up and had no study that existed. The show of course starred grown ass men running their own business, but the moms tried to make them childish by the later seasons.
>>59073888And they all came to see a fresh corpse.
>>59072170What a based thread, look how much the usual ESL started crying about it
>>59072170SWSH was the last title that respected your intelligence.Z-A if you count Legends.
>>59086148>SwSh>the game that gives you Escape Rope as an unlimited use key item>the game with linear hallways and caves that are literally impossible to get lost in>the game that constantly stops you with NPCs constantly telling you where to go and what to do>the game that lets you curbstomp every single NPC trainer with no thought or strategy>the game that lets you KO max raid den pokemon without having to destroy its shield firstSwSh did not respect us in the slightest.
>>59072170You know you don't have to wear the dumbass sun hat, right? And you've got 4 seasonal outfits from the very start of the game, just swap to another.
>>59086235the irony is most kids hate school, so why would gayfreak force them to attend school and wear ugly school uniforms in their escapism video games about catching monsters?
>>59086237I fuckin love school arcs so I didn't mind at all.
>>59086237Most kids hate school but eat up fiction about fake schools, like wizard school in harry potter, fucking yugioh gx, superhero schools, ninja school. They like anything that makes school feel less boring and gay, because school is most of what they know>well I didn't, I love sucking cockwell you're not everyone, some of these of massively successful franchises among kidsSV does it gayly though
>>59072170Why does the word gimp always crack me up?
>>59086674Bring out the gimp.
>>59072170I really do think that the writing in Pokemon games is a good litmus test for the literacy and general mental ability of the average child of the time, and it has been dropping lower and lower with every single entry.But on the plus side, when the average kid inevitably gets too stupid to even know how to read, GameFreak will have no choice but to finally add voice acting.
SV did very well in Japan reportedly. I think having a focus on school in Pokemon sort of goes against the fantasy, but maybe there's something in it I don't get.
>>59072170Best part is when they regret buying it just a few minutes into the game and snap it in half and leave a negative review
>>59072170>bought VioletBIIIIG mistake
>>59085341I learned how to be annoying without needing kids on TV
>>59086228Previous games also had unlimited Escape Rope for caves at least (Dig)... However it's a good thing to have anyway. Not having one just means running all the way to the exit, there's not danger involved. I only ever used them when I was deep in a cave and didn't want to have to run from 100 Zubats.
>>59086960>"It's Pikause... It's Pikause... I always want to be with you..."
>>59073885>>59073888They go so far as to reference the exact same shot with the water towerAnyway, Stand By Me is an evergreen film in Japan, it's eternally popular, as is the song. It's referenced very frequently in media I've also had a surprising number of personal experiences in Japan where that movie or its song came up in some way at the most random times. Ken Sugimori once described Pokémon as fundamentally being "one summer for a boy", and Stand By Me is a coming of age film that depicts four boys setting out without their parents' knowledge one weekend to see a dead body at the end of summer, the end of the 1950s, and also the end of their childhood because there's a loss of innocence and they all move on to middle school and go their separate ways after. The main character is a boy who likes writing, and he had an older brother that died who was the pride of his family and good at sports. The main character is haunted by his dad's words at his brother's funeral: "Why couldn't it have been you?". His talents and interests go unappreciated.The reason why Pokémon doesn't usually depict a father is for a similar reason. A father being present raises questions on why he isn't in charge. The boy must go out on his own and assert his own independence and grow as a person. Both Gen I and II begin in small towns in what would be the real life Chubu region of Japan (between the real life Kanto and Kansai) at the base of Mt. Fuji (Mt. Silver/Indigo Plateau). Your journey takes you away from the mountain before finally circling around the region to come back and ascend it as the top Trainer, with you one-upping your previous self in Gen II in the process. Pokémon too is meant to depict the coming of age of a boy one summer.
>>59089349Before Gen V, Dig is only easily accessible in Gen I and FRLG since Diglett/Diglett are unavailable in RSE and Gen V, and only available post-game in Gen II and IV. The only other Pokémon that learn Dig through level up are Nincada (45, LONG evolved by this point especially since it gains experience at a glacial pace based on its experience group), Trapinch (41, same issue), and Dunsparce (45 in Gen IV, once again heavy investment). The Gible line gets it at a reasonable level 31 for Gible (you'll already have it evolved though) and level 40 for Gabite/Garchomp which is much later in the game, and the Gible line is relatively rare to begin with.Now obviously there's TM28, but TMs are single uses and the only games in which you can get TM28 more than once are FRLG (wasn't a problem anyway because Diglett) and HGSS (post-game only). People are more likely to hold onto it until they won't regret using it on something.The only reason to leave a cave and backtrack is if you need healing, in which case you may be in trouble if you come across a Trainer that you haven't seen before. The point is that Dig wasn't this thing that you always had access to at all times.
>>59089481Their fault, then. Fuck every other region
>>59082197>Calem bad Hilbert goodThey’re like the same character
>>59082652There's no way you think all the characters were Asian before XY. Lt. Surge was in Gen 1.Gen 5 has multiple Blacks.
>>59090124Long hair's just really gay
>>59090138Surge needs to be as big as he was in the anime
>>59072170>leaf green>violetNigga keeps buying the inferior pokemon versions lmao
>>59072170Too bad there wasn't any Piss Yellow
>>59092214drink more water
>>59093117And piss more often
>>59072170The ones who identify with kids that much end up treating them worse
>>59091497He needs to die for Israel
>>59072170>>59072170The new games are straighjt up insulting with the how little freedom they portray the kids as having. in S&V you get TOLD to go on your adventure by your SCHOOL which your mom enrolls you in. if i was a kid nowadays i'd kill myslef. The pinnacle of this Hypocrisy is team star. They're a huge band of delinquents, possibly 100+ members strong, they have huge camps spanning large swaths of land, and yet when they're told they could get expelled they are legitimately afraid!? They could start a whole ass team star town with how many people they have, they don't need school. And yet they buckle under the authority of the principal
>>59094748>if i was a kid nowadays i'd kill myslefimagine how clean the world would get if they all did
>>59094141THe anime one's too big to die
>>59072170Sorry about that OP. Gamefreak lost the plot long ago. They don't even trust the players to have fun anymore.Best you can do is play the 2D games.
>>59096022Do you have the video that guy posted about a waifu in a car crash?
>>59096028I have no idea what you mean so probably not
>>59096039Found it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kyjoChLjNe0I remember seeing him post it on twitter lol
>>59096022close enough so based enough
>>59072170the most iconic vidya characters are either adults or teens
>>59073885>>59073888Playing as a girl in FRLG changes it Wizard of Oz, doesn't it?
>>59097884that's gay if it's true, but not as gay as playing as a girl
>>59089423Even Gen 3, the one time the player famously DOES have a present father who isn't written off as "perpetually at work" (because his work is being a Gym Leader), finds a way to answer the father question and directly ties it into the player character's coming of age, at first you start out aimless beyond "go see the world" but then Norman gives you the immediate idea of "so my kid's becoming a real independent sort now, huh? go beat four of the gyms in Hoenn, then fight me to prove you're worth your weight."
>>59072170nice and haunting
>>59072170>bought VioletNo sympathy then, no matter how right you are
>>59072177no, that way lies death
>>59082113>ITS KALOS FAULT AGAIN!No its your fault for being born and your fault pokemon was created and sucks now
>>59072170Based as fuck, look how much threads like this made the usual ESL cry
>>59074866Didn't really pay attention, it's just too ugly
>>59072170it's funny as fuck to see a kid wearing a wifebeater
>>59073888And the whole final sequence in Area Zero is pretty much a giant callback to Stand By Me, right down to finding a corpse of sorts at the end.
>>59072170in the same way something as gay as west side story is supposed to be muh giant callback to shakespeareslop
Pokemon has always been for kids you maladjusted retards. Your favorite one does the exact same stuff your least favorite does. They all include some shit designs, they're all easy, and they've never had a good story.
>>59104752It was for kids, not so much mentally deficient toddlers. If you can't see a difference between something like SV to RBY then it's terminal
>>59104907There's no difference and you are incapable of explaining any that you think is there.
>>59104917I've made a number of essays about it on this board or /v/ over time. To save myself time I'll just tl;dr one element: your choices don't matter.Planning your party is no longer a real element for a couple reasons. The removal of HMs is an obvious one, however controversial it became as they added more and more HMs and forced their usage, it did encourage accounting for travel in your journey. Even if HMs did still exist, you can now change your party out from the PC at any time from the menu, so you don't have to find yourself cornered at any point. This is exaggerated by the fact that pokemon movesets have gotten very stuffed overall, most pokemon have decent coverage options and rarely struggle to have good moves at any point, even further bolstered by unlimited TMs (although SV at least introduced TRs which are just traditional, farmable TMs that I can agree with) and the ability to change out your moveset again any time from the menu for free. At no point will you be particularly wanting for coverage.And what if a tough battle comes along anyway? Good news! You don't have to consider how you spend your money either, because items litter the ground. You will have more pokeballs and potions than you'll ever use by simply walking around.You don't even need to battle field trainers. They're all completely optional and useless at that. You'll get well enough exp by, again, just walking around, either through wild pokemon or the raid spots that give you a bunch of exp candy.Although I understand the less autistic might not really care about the particulars of how the game actually plays.
>>59072170Based as fuck, look how much the usual ESL keeps crying about this thread
>>59104907Based ranking in that case
>>59072170especially since how gay do you have to be to wear a fucking school uniform
>>59072170The only things with "no difference" between them are sharty and the discord that brought those things here
>>59072170Isn't that Masuda's self-insert?
>>59108250would probably look funny in a wifebeater
>>59108250Pretty sure Tajiri was the one who collected 'em
>>59072170And even if the Japs liked being kids, why are their most famous games about being an adult plumber, or soldier, or martial artist, or ninja...
>>59109458>wifebeaterDo Americans really?
>>59084028This. Just look at how certain schizos on vp respond to coomer threads and the typhlosion myth lol>NOOOOOO IT'S A CHILDREN'S FRANCHISE GAME FREAK WOULD NEVER THINK LIKE PERVERTS!!!! AND IF THEY DID, IT'S AN INTERN'S FANFIC!!!!!!!
>>59110781sadly not much anymore, it's a lot harder to get away with beating your wife now
>>59111418It works when you can prove she was just making it up
>>59110992And do you notice anything suspicious about those replies? Something very similar every time?
>>59111418It's fine if you live in the mountains
>>59072170i felt this way when i first played sun/moon.something about it felt much more childish than previous entries.
>>59072170Thinking it's too kiddy for stuff like this is peak age 16-24
>>59114289they made the mcs younger again after a few older ones
>>59113693there are those that dwell in the mountains
>>59072170It's probably the usual ESL crying about how unwanted and unloved all that new slop is, after spamming the board to pretend anyone's excited for more upcoming slop
>>59113693or trailer parks
>>59109973Then where did Masuda get all those bugs to put in anuses?
>>59110781depends on the local sheriff
>>59072170Oh I thought it was the same thread but apparently that shitty song is being shilled in other threads too
>>59114289supposedly they got more hebes or something
>>59094748I agree with your first point, it's kind of ridiculous that the game has to spell out "go out and adventure" in dialogue text to everyone starting out when the whole appeal of an "open world Pokemon RPG" would be to go sightseeing and looking for pocket monsters anywhere you like on the map. In RBY, even if you're not into or knowledgeable about Pokemon or video games in general, your first instinct besides looking around Pallet is to look for ways to get out of town, because incredibly obviously there's something out there (the rest of the game, even). People don't need to be told to do this.But when it comes to your second point, I think the less time everyone spends thinking about the Team Star plotline, the better. It's just embarrassing to even try to extract anything intelligent from it. It defiles you to interact with it, it's an infohazard.
>>59120537>I think the less time everyone spends thinking about the Team Star plotline, the betterI'm glad it's a source of shame to them. They really shouldn't have bothered making one, but just forced themselves to add a team because the other games had one
>>59110781Not often enough obviously
>>59120237Most of those aren't even any good
>>59123501and any that have good designs in theory still look terrible thanks to the artstyle
>>59072170It's the same reason "representation" never works. It's better to have a cool MC than a shitty one.
>>59124593Some are ok ingame but the anime is shit
>>59105000>Planning your party is no longer a real element for a couple reasons.It never was. You can just focus on your starter exclusively and you'll wind up shitstomping everything due to being overleveled. The rest of your party slots are either HM dumps or dedicated meatshields so you can drown your starter in healing.
