Secondaries and LARPers will shit on ORAS for skipping the battle frontier when the content was just this type of garbage
>>59073365Get outplayed, nerd
>>59073365What was the counterplay here?
>>59073409Sheer cold doesn’t hit ice types
>>59073409sash swords dance garchomp lead should clear this. but it jobs to bright powder misses and quick claw procs. i agree with OP's general point, though these days the devs are better at making competitive npc sets. if we had a full battle facility now itd be more like bdsp cynthia or kieran instead of "how long can you spin the wheel before it lands on red", so id be open to it returning
>>59073427True, OP fucked up by not having Garchomp in Emerald
>>59073409Pressure/Protect/Dig would have limited the damage to one KO max, assuming Dewgong didn't have PP UpsIce-type + Encore probably would have worked as well
>>59073430oh shit youre right, im retarded. the general point stands, you can build to counter one rng cancer bullshit but then you lose to another, its rock paper scissors. iirc you want latios/metagross/either suicune or swampert for emeraldin gen 3 the real answer is just to play the rs tower though, the AI is fucking braindead
>>59073409Not using spore like a moronNot using moves that miss
Honestly:>No items>No themed trainers.>Actual intelligently designed Pokemon setsShould just be the norm for the game. Otherwise battle tower/frontier is pretty annoying.
>>59073365>Chesto Berry and Sleep Talk in the same set
That's what made the Frontier so satisfying, the premise to overcome all the bullshit and score that shining gold medal
>>59073365I agree with you OP. The content was mostly garbage because there is documentation about the AI cheating. The only people that like the battle frontier are those that never actually played it seriously.
>>59073478i assumed it was a lum berry for some reason but it actually is specifically chestoi guess the dewdong also has rest but then it's moveset is "rest, sleep talk, sheer cold"?? does it also have horn drill just in case the enemy has an ice type immune to sheer cold
>>59073493It does apparently
>>59073483Overcoming the bullshit = following this 40 page google doc explaining in detail what teams to go for and how to deal with every trainer you can encounter
>>59073503How is this scenario so common lol
>>59073415It also has horn drill lole
>>59073503>Sleep talk is just horn drill and sheer coldThat's fucking insane
>>59073365>has a chesto berry>also has sleep talkWhy lol
>>59073508Because retards insist on using powerful but inaccurate moves like Metero Mash instead of safer optionMany such cases, even on showdown
>>59073517Because otherwise you don't K.O right away in most cases and then you're doomed. The battle frontier is just constant 50/50 coins flips every single step. It's not fun at all.
>>59073519coinflips*
>>59073517It feels wrong to shit on OP for missing their 85 accuracy move when the punishment was getting hit by 3 out of 4 30 accuracy moves
>people want and yearn for this type of rng ballbusting content
>>59073519“Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe my Battle Frontier attempts, this game rewards blind luck and nothing else, I am beyond convinced at this point. After getting completely tooled by RNG, losing this way somehow felt even worse than I had thought possible. My preparation was superior, my play was superior, and I lost, so I don't see a reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not. I am done with the Battle Frontier, and you won't get a fond farewell. This facility is infected to its roots with a degenerative disease that grows stronger over time but stops short of killing its host. Battles used to have a competitive spirit at their heart, this has been transplanted and replaced with an artificial organ that feeds on vitriol and mockery from insecure little boys that heckle by the sidelines and tear each other to shreds over scraps of attention. The environment we fostered has trapped us all like this in a vicious cycle, and escaping it requires acceptance of the harshest reality we all scramble to explain away, that none of the countless straining efforts we put ourselves through here will ever amount to one single shining glimmer of significance.
>>59073409There is none, sometimes the opponents in the Battle Frontier can just do this because out of hundreds, sometimes thousands of battles in the Battle Frontier, statistically you should run across a situation like this. You have to win at least 42 battles in a row, 70 or even 100 at most and the opponent only needs to win once.And if the game had to result to something like this for you to lose, it means that you really don't need to change anything teamwise, but if it started to become a pattern where you lose to certain types or moves often, you'd then want to plan around that.
>>59073409Have good luck. That's it. That's the play.
This dewgong set exists to rightfully punish the retards who dont bring a sturdy mon
>>59073540>Have to spend 50 hours breeding and training a mon with sturdy and explosion just to kill one specific pokemon in the battle frontier
>>59073365No one except uber autists with cheating devices made a genuine effort to play any facility except the Battle Factory, though.All the others (yes, even the default Battle Tower) were just unfair bullshit even beyond RNG tomfuckery because they relied on heaps and heaps of secret mechanics the game never tells you about, never lays out for you, and offers no reasonable way for a child to gear up and reasonably deal with the challenges being presented.This is ultimately why the Battle Tower was retired in SV, because at least when it's PVP a loss doesn't feel as sore because the game isn't actively conspiring against you, it's simply that the other player was either more skilled or got the luck of the draw, something they're likely grateful for after several bad matches where THEIR opponent got the luck of the draw instead.
>>59073549I played the Dome to death (and got the two symbols) as a kid because I loved the idea of a tournament.It felt like the league in the anime, a tournament in a stadium with an audience and shit, which is infinitely better than five random faggots in small rooms
>>59073409Not bringing a move that on average misses every 5 times you use it, in a mode where you need to fight 150+ pokemon, meaning you will potentially miss 30 times during your run
>>59073409I think we've all forgotten about Sturdy
>>59073365ORAS is the best Pokemon game and it brutally mogs Emerald and its Meme Frontier.
>>59073506that didn't exist back in 2005
>>59073409Substitute, protect, sturdy mon, plenty of counter play but fags will always complain about "bad luck" instead of improving their teams.
>>59073493Lorelei's dewgong is famously hardcoded to use rest on the first few turns, any trainer worth its salt should know dewgong gets access to rest.IMO OP fucked up by not using substitute on their subPunch mon
>>59073751And you didn't beat it in 2005 lol
>>59073365>two grass types against an ice water type
>>59073679Yeah Donphan hits like a truck with STAB Earthquake and is immune to this bullshit
>>590735082.5% isn't that uncommon and this dude even said he had over 60 battles in that streak alone. You should ALWAYS have an answer for ohko moves, either a sturdy mon or a fast substitute mon.
>>59073409You can tell no one has even attempted this challenge by the responses you got>Just have 1/3rd of your team be a full counter to this one specific pokemon out of random hundreds you're going to battle
>>59073548>OnePlenty of fags also complain about the quick claw rhydon with horn drill
All defenders of this bullshit basically say that you need this and that in preparation so pretty much what they are trying to tell you is that you need a database of all the mons in the facility to be able to maybe have a shot at it. Nice, very fun. I love having to use a google doc to play my video game. Wow so fun!!!!
>>59073788No retard, you should know what is posssible. You sound like one of those fags who cry to the mods when they get swept by FEAR strategies.
>>59073409You should be going into the tower with the knowledge that you're inevitably going to run into those infamous sets of Quick Claw Sheer Cold and should build your team better so you have a reliable answer for them.The best and easiest option is Substitute which is already a really good move for the tower because it can not only stop OHKO moves/general one shots but also block direct status moves like Thunder Wave which is also very common.
Holy shit it really is just LARPers
>>59073791AND OP was using a sub punching set on their breloom, they literally had the answer and refused to use it.
>>59073790>No retard, you should know what is posssibleI'm glad we agree
>>59073797>They don't know OHKO moves existYou deserved to lose then, your skills as a trainer are inferior
>Bring a mon to counter the bullshit>Still loseNice gaem
>>59073803>The 30% accuracy move hits 9 out of 10 times>Somehow it is my faultI can't believe my skill issue is so big
>>59073365The weak should fear the GONG.
>>59073792Not a single anon in this thread has beaten the battle frontier without pkhex. Probably not even with hacked mons honestly.
>>59073776had it been an accomplishment easy to achieve, it'd have been no accomplishment at all
>>59073786And the quick claw procs EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME HOLY FUCK I HATE THAT MOTHERFUCKER
People crying about this are the same who would gamble ten times on a %1 chance of getting painfully crushed by a boulder for a $1000 pay at every attempt
I beat it first try when I was 9. Prove I didn’t.
>>59073831>reddit spacingyou probably did
>>59073834I did.While you were.Crying about someone pressing Enter.
>>59073838You (16MtF) beait it first try when you were 9.I (38M) Kneel.
>>59073679>weretarded zoomers who never played it?
>>59073844>reddit spacing>troons outta NOWHERESucks to suck.
>>59073776beating Nolan the first time is not difficult, ftr
>>59073811The probability of that happening (ohko move landing thrice in a row) is ~2.7%, you need a streak of 70 to get the gold symbol, let's assume only a third of the teams have an ohko move (lowballing) so ~23 teams have an ohko move, the probability of getting swept once during your streak by an ohko move would be 1-(1-0.027)^23= 46.7%Yes, you should prepare for an outcome that has ~50% chance of happening (it's actually higher because dewgong missed some of the sheer cold uses)
GameFreak was right. It's not worth biringing back content like this. You can clearly see they were right just by reading some of the posts in this thread.
>>59073365Would you enjoy it if they removed evasion and OHKO moves? And evasion items I guess.
>>59073891Remove all RNG faggotry in general. Critical hits, secondary effect procs, status procs, item procs, all of it.
>>59073891they would then bitch about moves missing or getting countered, these fags are like verlisify they just complain because they're bad at teambuilding and playing.
>>59073517I'm sure the metal claw with 50 base power and 95% of accuracy would be a better choice...
>>59073865You:>*pushes up glasses*>“And that’s why the player only has a 4.7699 (repeating of course) chance of victory.”Chad [Me]:>“Let’s go! I just beat that Battle Sphere thing first try with my bro Charizard!”
>>59073365Sleep Talk Sheer Cold is kino, I couldn't get mad at this.
>>59073904>Chad [Me]: WAAAAAH WAAAAAAH THE GAME IS CHEATING!!!! SURF SHOULDN'T OHKO MY LIZARDOOOOOONkek
>>59073415>Generation VII onwards>Ice-type Pokémon are now immune to Sheer Cold.
>>59073515I think PP-wise it might be the smartest method. Early in the fight they'll be consuming Horn Drill and Sheer Cold's actual PP (5 PP each), and they'll get a single Chesto Rest to get a free full heal. Then if the fight runs long they'll be working with Sleep Talk's 10 PP. The unwitting human opponent isn't going to anticipate the first Sleep Talk use either, because they just saw it use a Chesto Berry and think they're safe when they see it go to sleep a second time (this actually comes up in the webm, with Breloom they would've believed it was safe to use Focus Punch)
>>59073409Torment. Pressure ability. Spite.Really though you have a Venusaur pointlessly using Sludge Bomb, when it has Grass moves. Breloom and Venusaur could have taken this out.
>>59073365Skill issue.
>>59073508You have to win 50-100 times, the A.I only needs to win once. Comically low odds bullshit will eventually come along to fuck you and you'll remember it.
>AAAIIIIEE I HAVE TO PLAN AND STRATEGIZE INSTEAD OF MASHING THE BUTTON??????
I remember when I was playing the 100 battle mountain thing in Collosseum two decades ago that a Heracross toward the end had a Focus Band and the Focus Band successfully activated maybe 10 times in a row. I still won but that was scary.
>>59073365Out-skilled retard. Not enough handholding for you?
>everyone complaining that the optional challenge mode is challengingbunch of fucking pansies, holy shit.
>>59073919>MeSo that’s a quote from you, then? Kwab.
>>59074025No, that's a quote from you charitranny, are you gonna keep crying because your team sucks?
>>59074030Then why did you say “Me” followed by that quote, indicating yourself? Kiiinda weird, ngl. I already stated that I beat the frontier at age 9, then you quoted yourself having a crashout. These are facts.
>>59073365Kek this is funny tho. Fucking dumbass should've just gone for Brick Break instead of Focus Cringe. The moment that Dewgong had a Chesto, you knew it was Rest/Sleep Talk.
not sure if people defending this are stupid or just trolls
>>59073765>>59073548retard theres only 3 pokemon in a battle frontier team and hundreds of mons in the facility. no one is running some shitter just to counter one shotters and protect isnt a counter for this even knowing its coming
>>59073365This is hilarious because it didn't happen to me>>59074172Mostly ignorant fools who haven't actually played the game, the small percentage who did just didn't get unlucky with OHKOs
>>59074172worse, they're underage
>>59074183Substitute is a god tier scouting move that outright destroys status spamming. If you don't have a way to deal with ohko moves and minimize/double team spam you're gonna lose to those.>>59074185>>59074190You're the underaged retards. Everyone who played these facilities know this is a possibility and if you want to get the gold symbols you need to either account for them or be ready to restart your streak if you go for the cookie cutter salamence/gyarados/latios team.
>playing on a phone emulator
>>59073365Omg I must use this set online at once. Sleep Talk sheer cold had me dead.
>>590742434th move is horn drill lmao, use bright powder as the hold item
>>59073519Accept a 2HKO with favorable typing.>>59073531Lmao.
>>59074255that's an old copypasta from a smogon lolcow
>>59073409The team in general seemed very vulnerable to bulky water types. Nevermind the OHKO moves, if it had been a Slowbro or Milotic, they were still gigafucked.
>>59074264I love bulky waters bro.
>>59073365But the female frontier brains are sexo and we were robbed of new official art.
>>59073365I fully believe only 1% of the fanbase cares about Battle Frontier. Like half of that only so they have a reason to shit on ORAS
>>59073365Hilarous how he could have killed that Dewgong if Breloom had actually attacked instead of fagging around for three turns with spore and focus tightening...
>>59074894Focus tightening is so ridiculous lol.
>>59074894>focus tighteningThat is Focus Punch, retard. The staple attack of subpunchers in 3gen.
>>59073894Well you need some sort of drawback. I think removing more enemy-induced rng would make casual players more happy with it. Or just introducing facility variants that don’t involve it.
>>59074921I know what move it isMaybe bring moves that hit for 70/80/90 and always hit instead of going for moves that are OP on paper but that you don't get to land when needed...
>>59073409Besides generally aiming for as fast as mon as possible, quick claw sets are annoying but you can still go first, and not get moves that can miss and in example of OP don't use spore again like a moron.
>>59073548That's the rental facility anon.
>>59074940>>59074948See >>59074956
just win all the coinflips it's not that hard
>>59074968Oh yeah rightGuess the game set him to fail
>>59073891>>59073893>>59073894Evasion and OHKO moves can go fuck themselves and Battle Facilities would be way more enjoyable
Metagross cannot one shot Dewgong without exploding. OP was doomed from the start.
>>59073549Pike was easy enough because the RNG actually worked in your favor sometimes.
>>59073815Imagine being able to sweep entire teams of tryhard mons in your sleep and have a 100 reply thread seething about it
This thread really outed anons who dislike ORAS. Battle Frontier really is a meme argument against ORAS.
>>59073815If the gong is so good then how come nobody uses it in their bf team huh?
>>59076188Which is why Pike, along with Dome, are babby's first battle facility.Men go to the Factory and Pyramid
>>59076235Chads go to Arena to drink Greta's bodystocking sweat
>>59076239Arena is just a Tower that cheeses people whenever Cradily shows up
>>59073365>>59073532>>59073966I'm fairly certain that this is the only reason that they actually kept OHKO moves around despite nobody in their right mind ever running them on a serious team, even in a casual playthrough. The only counterplay is bringing/being randomly able to pick something with Sturdy and a lot of the choices either run the risk of being OHKO or 2HKO by a coverage move the AI might also have because the Sturdymon can only OHKO or even 3HKO if they're lucky.
>>59073517High Power, reduced Accuracy moves are always a risk-reward tradeoff, you would pick something like Thunder over Thunderbolt because of the higher power (especially factoring in STAB) and maybe an increased secondary effect chance but if you miss enough it's GG. There's a reason official live competitions like VGC have formats like Best of 5.
>>59073409I would recommend killing the damn thing with Sky Uppercut
>>59073817getting 7 silver badges was doable as a wee lad with a non-optimised but still powerful team, as you just needed to grind long enough.Full 7 gold badges though was certainly only for the no-lifers.
>>59076235Factory is for turbo autismos, the Pyramid is indeed the masochists choice.Meanwhile normies only know and use the tower.
>>59076235God i hate the pyramid
>>59073409Magneton with Sturdy.
>>59073508Because the tower cheats and OHKO moves have about 70% accuracy when they use them.
>>59073865>the probability of getting swept once during your streak by an ohko move would beNo it wouldnt. If you need a streak of 70 to win, then if you reached 70 you won and didnt get swept.
>>59073409Everyone else seems to be missing the point that the webm shows the Battle Factory. So the counterplay is to swap Pokémon as often as possible before Nolan to get a better chance of better opponents with better movesets and items. High risk, high reward.
>>59073409NoneBattle Frontier cheats
>>59073365>sub-punch breloom (completely counters this set) >doesn't account for the possibility of sleep talk Substitute was objectively the correct play over Spore. Dewgong has a 30% chance of landing Sheer Cold or Horn Drill, which merely breaks your substitute, after which you sub again. Clicking Spore was the wrong play, you've already revealed your plan and the Dewgong predicted accordingly. He has a 50% chance of selecting Sheer Cold or Horn Drill from Sleep Talk, and a 30% chance to land, not factoring in quick claw. He has a 15% chance to select the correct move from Sleep Talk and land, and a 12% chance to not proc Quick Claw and fulfil the existing win condition, which actually screws Dewgong over in this scenario. The failure condition for Substitute is either 1 Quick Claw activation AND a Sheer Cold/Horn Drill land, which has a probability of 6% (already twice as good as the odds when clicking Spore), the possibility that Quick Claw fails and Sleep Talk calls Sheer Cold/Horn Drill on the substitute, it lands, Quick Claw activates, calls Sheer Cold/Horn Drill from Sleep Talk again, is comically improbable.
Would be based if they just removed Double Team/Minimize and OHKO forever but then the game couldn't waste your time ending your streak with strategies that require planning your whole team around (Sturdy instead of a more useful ability, low powered perfect accuracy moves like Swift) to deal with. At least something like Battle Armor is useful in pretty much every fight for ensuring crits don't screw something like Drapion over.
>>59077363Who would have sleep talk Dewgong? I know it learns rest but it's such a fucked set. It's like when Alakazam uses Dig in Stadium lol.Dewgong always fucks me over, seal motherfucker eating my grass mon moves when grass were all special then firing ice lasers.
>>59077281Demonstrably false, these games have been decompiled
