Why was the anime so staggeringly disinterested in adapting the villains and box legends?
The anime is made by animefags, not pokemonfags. This has always been fact and always will be.They have to be forced to give a shit, which almost never happens except if its some shillmon bit or whatever.
>>59073405Movie bait
>>59073405Because the Pokemon anime never properly followed the games.
(You) save the world and befriend god. Ash is on his own journey to collect a handful of shitmons, dodge 100% accurate moves, and advertise mythicals not available in your country
>>59073405They weren't, they made entire movies about them.
>>59073405The evil team arcs are always the most boring parts of the ashnime
>>59074148/thread/. OP is dumb
Just saw this episode, weirdest part to me was how they made up lore about the orbs being manmade and specifically created to control the two mons and rule the world.And the writers didn't pick up on the fact that the teams in the games snatched the wrong orbs so they unironically had Archie control Kyogre with the RED orb.
>>59073452episode 1 ends with a legendary pokemon, years before it was in the games. that wasn't GF forcing it in, they've gone on record saying it was the anime staff who decided to include it. Legends took a back seat when the anime became a perpetual money printing machine. They couldn't do proper story arcs with stakes, it had to be a steady vehicle for introducing new plushies. All legendary Pokemon post-2000 were earmarked for movie roles, so their inclusion in the tv show was often downplayed to make the movie ticket more appealing. There's also the issue of the brand being somewhat flexible, they don't like to lock in hard end points. Plans for which legend stars in which movie can change at the final hour. So the anime can't overplay their hand and box the movie staff into a corner.
They did for DP and the God movies.
>>59073405Because, as Horizons showed us, the crew wanted to tell an original story with the characters from the games as opposed to adapting the games outright.
Legendaries and mythicals were often relegated to moviebait. DP followed the game's plotline, but Dialga and Palkia only appear as wireframe holograms in the actual anime, while they appeared for real in the Darkrai and Arceus movies.After Covid killed the movies now they appear in the main anime too. One of the side characters owns Pecharunt.
>>59073405Villains, yes. Only Team Rocket and Team Flare were that prominent in the animeLegendaries, no. The majority of legendaries got movies. Even ones that didn’t get movies, many legendaries were caught by one of the main characters.Very very few legendaries lack both being in a movie as a prominent Pokemon and not being caught by a main character.
>>59074202The anime writers get their notes on the lore directly from the game devs. We know this from the leaks, that they speak directly with the developers and get notes on the names/lore of NPCs that aren't even revealed directly in the games. There was never any "they got the wrong orb" bullshit in RSE. The red orb wakes up Kyogre and the blue orb wakes up Groudon, which is exactly what they set out to do, since the orbs match the lines on their bodies. It's the orbs that are their respective primary body colors that DEACTIVATE them and calm them down, as Phoebe's grandma mentions in the legend.
>>59075422>>59074202The orbs being man-made might also be a holdover from old RS lore, since an NPC in those games also suggests Sootopolis's geography was specifically carved by people to trap the legends in the Cave of Origin if they were to rampage. Emerald suggests that the orbs are part of Rayquaza's power, but we know that 3rd version lore is basically an afterthought in all cases, since Giratina didn't exist until a month before DP released and the RS "Secret Questions" interview from 2003 Gamefreak talked about how Kyogre and Groudon never actually fought at all in the past.
>>59075422>Orb that awakens Groudon dulls Kyogre, strengthening Groudon's power>Orb that awakens Kyogre dulls Groudon, strengthening Kyogre's powerHuh... if you see the orbs as one-way levers that only go both ways if you have both of them, this makes sense.>>59075438Remember when the one who would've become Giratina almost became Rayquaza Complete with Groudon & Kyogre? Either way I'm glad that they recycled that idea with Kyurem.
>>59075422That doesn't add up, the orbs don't work the same between the games and anime, for one thing Archie was actually capable of controlling Kyogre with the red orb.
>>59073405>Why was the anime so staggeringly disinterested in adapting the villains and box legends?Anime has always done its own thing but also you're wrong, they've always made time to have Ash and friends go at it with in-game villains
>>59073405The antagonist teams are the worst part of every Pokemon game they’re in
>>59075543They really bounced so many ideas off of the wall for the ancient giant(s). They truly couldn’t decide if they wanted it/them to be non-Pokemon entities, Arceus’s dark half, Yggdrasil who is also the Hoenn trio, or something that was “cursed with slowness” that most likely meant Regigigas.
>>59073405TPC mandate forced them into the movies instead. The movies have a roughly 6 month marketing period with tons of merch and shit, so having the box legendaries star in a movie instead of the show means you can shill a lot more merch a lot longer.
>>59075422>>59075929I think the reality is that GF didn't actually nail down how the orbs worked and the anime just had to fill in some blanks.The orbs were never really consistent in how they worked across media, or even across the games themselves, until ORAS finally settled on them being glorified mega stones.
>>59073405Because the Legendaries were getting too serious for the toddler cartoon, and OLM wished they could just dedicate movies to them instead. But TPC recognized that if the anime that advertises the Pokemon brand wasn't actually promoting the Pokemon brand through its poster children, who were now becoming the box legendaries, it wouldn't do very well for brand synergy, thus it became a mandate to have a shitty mini-arc about said legendaries and evil teams every once in awhile.
>>59076109where's the koraidon and miraidon arc
>>59076147Nowhere, because Horizons escaped what the Ashnime had to deal with to be its whole thing wholesale.
>>59076151not really mandate then if they can just forego it
>>59076156Because it stopped being a mandate at the time of Horizons.It was still in effect for the Asnime prior, even all the way up to Journeys, hence why they had that dogshit mini-arc adaptation of SWSH's Darkest Day, and before that the Cultural Hisui Festival, which helped birth the "hisuimons are extinct" headcanon because OLM wasn't actually allowed to depict Hisui mons in the present day as to preserve their at-the-time mystique as these Pokemon who were only being made known to players and fans for the first time in the past.
>>59076160>Because it stopped being a mandate at the time of Horizons.as >>59075379 stated, OLM wanted to pull a Megaman NTW and use the characters and monster to tell an orginal story as opposed to adopting the game's plot out right; which is why the plot for SV was mostly replaced in Horizons.
>>59076809Where was the part of SWSH where I traveled the whole Pokemon World for a World Championship tournament, getting to fight old foes like Steven and Cynthia while using Megas, Z-Moves AND Dynamax all together? Very curious that Journeys did that but not SWSH if Journeys is supposed to be a SWSH adaptation.
>>59076814>Journeys is supposed to be a SWSH adaptation.It's not, at least, not anymore; I think around Sun/Moon is when OLM managed to talk with TPCi with wanted to go with their own direction with the adaptation, and that's where the mandate started to loosen; Journeys should be a tipping point until Rica retires and OLM are left to their own devices with the license at hand.
>>59076824Right. Which is why I pointed out they were still mandate bound regardless of what the anime at large was doing since it was still squarely and loosely based on the games, hence why they had to do the Darkest Day and Sinnoh mini-arcs.
How would YOU handle a Pokemon anime?
>>59076851I think Horizons is the right direction, and the direction OLM wanted to take; children traveling around the world, growing up to become better Pokémon trainers and adult. Basically, being a Pokémon trainer is a path to adulthood.
>>59075419>Very very few legendaries lack both being in a movie as a prominent Pokemon and not being caught by a main character.How many of those Legendaries are there besides Ho-oh and Gen IX Legendaries now that Pokémon Movies are essentially dead? Phione?
>>59076931Ho-oh was the main Pokemon of movie 20.
>>59077014Though that's were the following movies are no longer canon to the anime that they tied to.
>>59077021So? Still a movie, still marketed the same way as the other movies.
>>59077014Huh you're right, never saw it so I just assumed Ho-oh's role was just like Episode 1 of the show. Thought Marshadow was the surprise star of the film since it was the only one that got distributed as an event outside Japan and specifically Korea for whatever reason.
