>>59079811
No, numb nuts. Dexcut is never ending because otherwise they can't sell retards on HOME subscriptions (the only way to store all of those mons without having them scattered across multiple games) and Champions subscriptions (the only way to use most of those mons in the same game).

What, did they stutter in 2019 when they said no game going forward will have the full compliment of pokémon, due to wishing to spend more devhours working on the game rather than making 1000+ pokémon models behaving correctly in an engine?

>>59079811
>Could the dex cut end
No, this is for keeps, get over it

>>59079824
They spoke very clearly when they lied.

>>59079815
I considered that. I even think the main reason they keep the dex cut is because it makes them money, via Pokémon Home subscriptions to keep people's Pokémon there and to get people want to buy games where their Pokémon are usable. But recently I'm thinking that might be a double edged sword for them if it's to make money. Because of the specific kinds of people who buy a Pokémon Home subscription or even use it all. The average Pokémon consumer sure doesn't really transfer Pokémon, let alone much if at all. Pokémon Home allows for storing 30 Pokémon without the subscription, so if a player is using it purely for transfer instead of storage then they don't need the subscription. The kinds of people actually using Pokémon Home for consistent storage of 30+ Pokémon are the more hardcore Pokémon players who are more uncommon. And those people, they're having to deal more and more with the headache that transferring is becoming overtime. Seeing symbols on their various Pokémon indicating they can't be transferred to a game or has invalid Moves, having to think about a what games each Pokémon can go to and with what Moves. It's getting to be real mess. Transferring Pokémon from game to game is a big unique thing about the series, the dex cut lessens that.

>>59079824
They can just change their mind, again. The dex cut itself was already them changing their mind, in saying they're no longer wanting to have every previous gen Pokémon be usable in every game.

The dex cut was not some inevitability that had to happen from there eventually being too many Pokémon, that's objectively wrong. They could keep adding over a hundred new Pokémon every gen while still having every previous gen Pokémon being transferable and have the games be good on top of that. It just requires proper planning and effort. The amount of effort needed to make all previous gen Pokémon be transferable to a game does not scale with the number of previous gen Pokémon.

>>59080081
>It just requires proper planning and effort
Are you familiar with modern Game Freak?

No, Pokemon is selling better then ever so why would they?

>>59079824
>rather than making 1000+ pokémon models behaving correctly in an engine?
that cannot be their excuse lmfao that's beyond retarded

>>59079811
dex cut is here to stay. It was logically inevitable, only question about it was when the bandaid had to be ripped off. If it didnt happen in gen 8, it was gonna happen in gen 9 or later.

>>59080221
The dex cut was never inevitable, it was never something that they would have eventually be forced to do. To say otherwise is objectively wrong, I've asked for evidence to the contrary for the over half a decade the dex cut has existed and no one could prove that wrong. When done with proper planning and effort, the amount of effort to include all previous gen Pokémon does not scale with amount of previous gen Pokémon.

>>59079824
Somehow the games run worse post-dexcut than pre-, so that can't be a valid excuse.

>>59080261
It would have eventually been too much imagine having to debug and test 3000 individual models
The issue is game freak used decorated an excuse to be lazier and greedier, instead of having Home be a proper hub if the franchise it’s just a glorified prison for non-shillmons

>>59080261
there's over a thousand pokemon now that you have to tweak animations for, program learnsets for, animate moves for, balance for the game, and make sure there aren't any interactions that can break a bunch of shit. You and I won't ever be privy to the cutting room floor of Gamefreak HQ, but game development *on a yearly time crunch* isn't easy.

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>>59079811
They will never undo the dexcut because it'd only set them up for controversy when a future title inevitably doesn't include every pokemon again

>>59080296
>debug and test
>models
retard-kun...

>>59080078
Yes. When they said the models and animations were updated, then we actually saw that they were basically the same, I really liked how people generally reacted to that. SS felt about what I expected what we would have gotten anyway even if dex cut hadn't happened, but with the negatives of the dex cut along with the excuses Game Freak gave for it, people really rightly trashed on the game. SV, well, people have already said much of its visuals and glitches. What we seen of WW does look quite good so far. Being able to transfer Pokémon from game to game is one of the unique things that sets Pokémon apart as a series, that being limited by the dex cut makes Pokémon less unique as a series, and thus people rightly started to want more from the series in exchange for it happening.

>>59080088
Yeah... Exactly.. That's it. Like I said, they COULD do it. But as correctly point out, the idea of them actually doing is not so likely. I'm still at the point where I'd actually be genuinely surprised if they decided to undo the dex cut, as I still highly expect dex cut to continue. It's just that I get a strange suspicion from quite a few things that may be very early signs gen 10 will undo dex cut, I still think it's too early to say for sure, but I feel the idea is worth considering.

With the Switch 2 being backwards compatible with Switch, I feel that is a second chance for them to undo dex cut, but if they do so or not remains to be seen, I still feel it's quite unlikely for them to undo dex cut. I do feel they're putting more effort for gen 10.

The only chance to undo the dex cut was for SWSH to flop so hard that nobody could deny that it was a problem. Instead it had the best sales since Pokemania, a trend that continued with SV. They will never reverse course on that decision now that the cattle have shown it's not a big enough deal to make them stop consooming.

>>59080540
>The only chance to undo the dex cut was for SWSH to flop so hard that nobody could deny that it was a problem. Instead it had the best sales since Pokemania, a trend that continued with SV. They will never reverse course on that decision now that the cattle have shown it's not a big enough deal to make them stop consooming.

I think Pokemon Go's launching with Kanto only, Sun/Moon only having a regional dex and LGPE only featuring kanto mons and their alolan forms and Melmetal probably were the toe in the water.

I think if the National Dex was really what were bringing people to the games they've had 2000 - 2016 proving that the National Dex did not make Pokemon any more successful. While maybe it'd be a nice extra if every Pokemon in a game was supported but we've got evidence its not important as Open Worlds (SV) or Action Elements (Legends).

>>59079811
Outside of certain games like GO, Champions and its successors, I doubt that we're getting a complete dex ever again in a mainline game.
As that anon >>59079815 said, Dexcut helped GF to sell HOME subs and also the DLCs. People were hyped that you could catch previous starters in the SV DLC.

>>59080540
This as well. When GF announced that there won't be any older mons in BW (until the posgame), the normies hated the idea and thus didn't buy it alongside BW2 (which actually had oldmons in the main game). As a result, not only the Gen 5 games are among the least sold main games in the series, GF would probably never use that concept ever again, but every game (excluding remakes) since Gen 6 also heavily panders oldmons.

Some things that could be early signs that they plan to undo the dex cut:
The start of the gen 10 trailer had art for Pikachu in each gen's Region, showing stuff from each, like that is the same Pikachu going Region to Region.
At the start of the Pokémon Presents, they specifically mentioned the growth from gen 1 having 151 Pokémon to gen 9 having 1025 Pokémon, while showing all of them in the background as that's said.
They made a separate version of the 30th anniversary logo for every Pokémon, they used them for stuff like a wall display and a video, also the website listing them all encourages people to use them online.
As of LZA every gen 1 to gen 9 Pokémon has been in at least one Nintendo Switch Pokémon main game, either in gen 8 or in gen 9.
All of the many "What's your favourite?" stuff, notably including their Super Bowl ad for this year which focusses on it.
The fact that WW are coming out next year instead of this year and already seems to be quite good.

Obviously with the anniversary they'll want the highlight the growth of the franchise over time, but it just feels to me to be so much more specific this year. This focus on concepts like mentioning every Pokémon, the value each Pokémon has to someone and so on. It feels like things that could be early signs they're going to undo the dex cut, as in building up to it. I still feel the dex cut is very likely to stay, but this stuff could be something. We'll have to wait and see.

>>59080704
GO has no bearing on Game Freak, it launched with only Kanto as they wanted to drip-feed content (and they still didn't do it quick enough, given the fall-off from August '16 to May '17).
They were planning to start Dexit with Gen 7, that's why SM only had a regional 'Dex listing (they changed their minds mid-way through). No surprise the next project started after reverting Dexit for SM/USM then went and operated as if it was a thing (as they were developing Gen 8 with Dexit in mind at that stage), justified by calling it a Yellow remake and shoving GO mechanics into it.

>>59080838
>Dexcut helped GF to sell HOME subs
No it didn't, there's only something like 10m subs for Home at this stage and half of them were active in Gen 8. For it to "sell subs", normalfags need to actually give a shit about collecting them ALL and not just their shillmon favourites constantly.

>>59081410
Because they COULDN'T have done any of that for the 30th anniversary, as a means to show shitheads they "didn't forget about " anything. No, HAS to be because they realised sperg bastards online had a sad for the last 6 years, so are going to revert to hampering their staff (after finding so much project time as to be able to plan MANY new games for release), because baba still can't into pogeymans without her baltoy every fucking game.

>>59080838
Even GO is being deliberately held back from having the full roster, because it would be obscene in the eyes of the normalfag if a game on their phone could have all 1000+ Pokemon while a game on a dedicated console cannot. They'd unironically smell the bullshit and wonder what the fuck.

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>>59079815
Kek. 4Chan is the only place where you'll see people debating the reason why 1,000+ characters aren't being added to a game is to make people buy an additional product and not make development cheeper. I'm sure GF and Co. make a pretty penny off Home, but there's no way in hell that it's one of the main reasons behind dexit, let alone why it's an ongoing thing LMFFFFAAAAOOOOOOOOOOO

>>59081574
It makes development easier, yes, but it also encourages the purchase of a HOME subscription. Your poor Spinda you traded up from Gen 3-7 still has nowhere to call home aside from HOME because the skeleton team at ILCA who made BDSP will not EVER care to come back and fix any glitches or bugs even if they're gamebreaking in the sense that they forbid Spinda from ever escaping BDSP and not allowing any other Spinda into BDSP, and unless it's one of your sole occupants in your free box, then you've been paying up to keep it stable in one of those not-free boxes.

>>59081613
>but it also encourages the purchase of a HOME subscription
To who? Any cunt who cares about the collection will. Most normal cunts don't (per strict numbers, there's 18m people who aren't subbed to Home who bought either Scarlet or Violet and the same for Sword or Shield. But the very fact #BBND died on its fucking arse day one of Gen 8 going on sale shows most cunts don't care for trying to "Catch 'em all" That's why the "1000+pokémon" celebration vid asked "Have you caught them all?" at the end. because most cunts DON'T.

>>59082023
BBND was never going to work as a movement because it was exclusive to the west, Japan genuinely did not know about the dexcut until the game dropped because GameFreak, TPC, Nintendo, NO ONE told them about it unless they listened to the Americans, who they often look down upon for being total shitheads. They had to wait until HOME compatibility happened and then they learned they couldn't put so-and-so or this-and-that in SWSH.
But because Japan are good consoomer drones, they didn't give a fuck, there was never time for outrage to bubble up, they simply shrugged and accepted it as is.
Again, I'm not saying you're wrong. I do believe the primary purpose is for easier development. But it's a little too fucking convenient that at the same time they pulled dexcut, they also had Bank's successor, HOME, which unlike Bank, has a subscription service so you can store more than 30 files that have literal kilobytes of data associated with them.

>>59079811

No, they need something to sell back to us with the DLC.

If anything, I can see them raising the regional dex to 500 instead of 400, i the islands are huge and there's heaps of them then they need to extend the amount of pokemon you find otherwise it's going to be the same lines everywhere.

>>59082062
>No, they need something to sell back to us with the DLC.
The pokémon added with the DLC are a free update, you dumb cunt. They're selling you nothing but more content following on from where the base game left off.

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>>59079811
>I CAN'T PLAY POKEMON WITHOUT AROMATISSE AND LUVDISC! DEXCUT IS A CRIME!

>>59082498
it is the main appeal of pokemon, though.

>>59080309
This. Undoing dexcut specifically for gen 10 for celebratory reasons could make sense, but then they would just get a repeat of the backlash all over again when the next game was released with dexcut restored

>>59079811
they totally can, but they dont give a flying fuck

I will never understand why they decided it was a good idea to maul the game's roster of playable mons, you know, the main thing of the games

>>59082860
Luvdisc and Aromatisse is the main appeal?

>>59083124
Every single Pokemon is someone's absolute favorite. Yes, even Klang and Calyrex.

>>59083141
And Game Freak excised the "so we gotta add them all constantly" mentality. Never mind you hypocritical cunts ignore yis kinda *hated* how they implemented flying pokémon in Gen 6+7. Well less pokémon included in-game from the off means more actual time individualising them, instead of slapping a template on a bodyshape like they did (le skye battlies, where the birds t-posed in a gliding animation).
But I've noticed autistic niggers love to retard things if they can, which is why so many children here squeal for the series to go back to retarding itself arbitrarily.

>>59083149
>B-BUT YOU DIDN'T LIKE SKY BATTLES SO YOU WERE JUST UNGRATEFUL SHITS
Even GameFreak knew Sky Battles were a mistake because we never saw them outside of XY and they canonically fell out of favor with Kalos in Legends:Z-A.
Even ORAS' Soaring Encounters gave you an excuse to use Non-Fliers despite being based on the literal exact same idea "a battle that takes place sky high".

>>59083150
We "didn't see them outside of XY" because Game Freak DELIBERATELY change up their series, to ensure every Gen has something specific to them. The t-posing birbs persisted until Gen 9 however, despite sky battes being Dodo'ed by Game Freak going into Gen 7 development, where everything all of a sudden moved a LOT more naturally, because it ALSO had to appear in the overworld and look like a living creature as opposed to being a static PNG in a 2D battle simulation. Can't put the genie back in the bottle and there's kids alive today have never (and *will* never play a 2D pokémon game.
And they don't care about having "everything" in-game, which is why Game Freak knew the only blowback was going to be from the types of people they outright ignore when it comes to developing pokémon anyway.

>>59082089

If you want to catch the pokemon added to the DLC you have to pay for the DLC to do so, it's not the same as just transferring them from Home you absolute dumb fucking shit stain, go suck corporate cock somewhere else.

>>59083192
Huh, that's weird. When I played SWSH and SV, I didn't need their DLCs to participate in online raids for Pokemon who can be found in raid dens in DLC areas.
I also didn't need the DLC to trade with players who had those Pokemon.
I also didn't need the DLC to transfer in those Pokemon from HOME.

>>59083192
And that's the issue at hand. You cunts are SO autistic, you see a $30 charge for "catching pokémon", anyone else sees it as "$30 for more game (which by definition includes more pokémon to catch)". It's no wonder the first time they did DLC, they ended up selling more DLC packs than they'd ever sold of a single rehash release (as more people would LOVE to continue their game file, but not start a whole new other file, to experience two new routes and a tileset makeover). Funny how you don't call it "$70 to catch NEW pokémon", despite that clearly being your mindset.

>>59083149
>And Game Freak excised the "so we gotta add them all constantly" mentality
>>59082860

>>59083124
having them all retard. you know, gotta catch em all?

>>59081512
I think you underestimate the marketing power of “everyone’s here”. I think if nothing else, Nintendo understands it, look what it did for Smash’s numbers. There’s got to be at least some pressure there. Not because “the autists had a melty” but because “EVERY POKEMON” is something worth putting in the advertising tags.

It’s tough to say, really.

>>59084287
How do i catch Mr Mime in Gen 1?

>>59084592
By trading with an NPC.

>>59084629
So i can't catch it. Gotcha.

>>59084592
Go to the Diglett Cave exit on Route 2 and give a guy either Abra if you're playing Japanese Red/Green or international Red/Blue, Jigglypuff if Japanese Blue or Clefairy if Yellow.

>>59084635
It was caught for you.
Same with the Starters or any other Gift or in-game Trade Pokémon.

>>59084287
Having them all is not actually the main appeal of Pokemon, it's just a dumb slogan. The actual main appeal is catching a team, battling and beating the Elite Four. Catching them all has always been a secondary appeal for completionists.

>>59084663
So the saying is a lie. Gotcha.

>>59080300
>thousand pokemon now
That really isn't as big as you make it sound. Gen 6 had 721, gen 7 had 809, both with no dex cut. Adding previous gen Pokémon requires much less effort and that effort doesn't scale with the number of them if done with proper foresight.
>tweak animations
They don't have to do that for ALL of them. Just the ones that could use it, even then they only do that when they feel like it. All Pokémon by now have a wide set of animations that can be used for many things. Unless there's something that would require EVERY Pokémon get one new animation for it, which I doubt couldn't be covered by existing animations also avoidable with proper planning.
>program learnsets
"program" a learnset. You mean put in a file somewhere that so-and-so Pokémon learns so-and-so Moves via so-and-so means. Even then they could limit learnset adjustments to only Pokémon in the Regional Pokédex.
>animate moves for
They don't animate every Move for every Pokémon. Move animations and Pokémon animations are separate, the former determines how the latter's attack animations are used when a Pokémon uses a Move. This lets them visually show any Pokémon using any Move even if it looks dumb in some cases but that's improvable. There's even some ways out of battle to see a Pokémon's attack animation without using a Move.
>balance
For single player, transferred Pokémon already behave like Traded Pokémon. For multiplayer battles, they can just do ban lists like leaving it Regional Pokédex only, there's even the "Battle Ready" thing if Event/Transfer Moves are an issue.
>make sure there aren't any interactions that can break a bunch of shit
Like what? What specific interactions of the Pokémon themselves? Remember what genre of games the main games are.

I've heard all this stuff and more countless times before.

Pokémon is the top monster franchise and highest grossing franchise, its main games should reflect that, and should take its USPs seriously.

>>59084390
80 models in one game does not justify 1000+ in another. You're also being INCREDIBLY disingenuous, considering one's an arena fighter aimed at teens and aduts, the other is a JRPG aimed at children.
There's no pressure, because as I keep repeating myself, they don't give a flying fuck for the wants and wishes of adults, much less autistic retard adults still fucking triggered about being told "No" almost 2,500 days ago. You know they worked on ONE project at a time up until Dexit? Now they have almost a half-dozen games on the go across the WHOLE studio (meaning Pokémon games and Gear Project Beast of Reincarnation), because they no longer NEED to waste the whole studio's time on one fucking project like they did for about 9 years in between 2010 and 2019.

>>59084811
>youngling proves she wasn't old enough to be on 4chan in 2016
Yeah and manchildren here seethed fucking hard at how SM turned into a "visual novel" shuttling the player from cutscene to cutscene, the T-Posing models and how blatantly unfinished the game was. ALL that shit takes time to add, time which they will NEVER have because Nintendo wants them shitting out yearly releases, for yearly sales of consoles and yearly profits from franchise revenue. It may be the "top moster franchise" and is in fact the highest grossing multimedia IP. But its also determinably and unashamedly focused on children while also being those things (partly why they're both the top moncap game AND highest grossing franchise ever). Make the kids care about fucking baltoy shithead. THEN Game Freak wiull start caring about reversing "muh dexit". but if the kids don't give a shit, Game Freak aren't going to break their arses trying to add it again. They're doing far better as a studio since it got culled.

>>59084664
being able to have them all is absolutely the main appeal. You can always use whatever you want. At least until gen 8.

>>59084932
If it was then completing the pokedex would be more popular.

>>59079824
lole @ retards who think every single pokemon is remodeled from scratch for every game and that's why the dexcut exists. it's money, always has been and always will be

>>59084926
You are completely delusional.

>>59084935
You shouldn't have to complete the entire dex to want to use your favourites.
That's such a disingenuous argument.

>>59079811
Dexcut is so they can sell mons back to you in DLC and keep you hooked to see if your mon is coming back

>>59084947
Sorry but it's true. Theres a reason all playthrough treads end at champion and not completing the national pokedex.

>>59084964
>Theres a reason all playthrough treads end at champion and not completing the national pokedex.
Version exclusives and trade evos?

>>59084981
Emulators have trading, not an issue.

>>59084937
>retard ignores new textures are in fact updating the models every game
Dexit happened to allow staff to concentrate on the actual game they're producing, instead of focusing on adding superfluous pokémon. They have printed money since the outset with this wank you dense piece of shit. They didn't have a 3D console from the start however to force them to behave like fucking id since the 90's however and the fact you think 3D development is quick, easy or simple's fucking hilarious. Fucking GTA6 is STILL fucking vaporware and it's been 13 years since the last main entry in the series.
>>59084938
I'm not the one stamping her feet and insisting the little incels of 4chan are actually the most critically important market to the developers of the biggest kid's game series on the planet while simultaneously ignoring every MC is decidedly younger than adulthood with the paired games featuring pre-teen protags as a rule (with the latest games again having protags around 11 years old as kids respond to child MC's better). But you need to be delusional as fuck to think they give a fuck for spastics old enough to vote, when the vast majority of what the franchise shits out is aimed at spastic pre-teen kids.

>>59084962
>>59082089

>>59084983
>emulator
At that point you may as well just gen them in.
Hell. Some modders have actually added the missing 'mons into the Switch games.
It's not that difficult unless you're a lazy fuck.

>>59084999
So you can catch them all in new games. Whats the issue again?

>>59084999
>Some modders have actually added the missing 'mons into the Switch games.
>It's not that difficult unless you're a lazy fuck.
Proof? Because I remember the 'tards who tried to update the cut shiot from SS gave up as it was actually far hgarder than they expected and Game Freak turned around and announced DLC and more pokémon to be added to SS in January with scant little *actual* cut pokémon added by the 'tistics.

>>59084991
>Dexit happened to allow staff to concentrate on the actual game they're producing, instead of focusing on adding superfluous pokémon.
Then why are the Switch games dogshit in comparison to their predecessors?

>>59085013
Switch games are better doe

>>59085016
No they're not.

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>>59085018
Yes they are Blastoise finally shoots from its cannons.

>>59085013
They're not, but autistic retards had VERY unreasonable expectations and thought Game Freak would suddenly match the bleeding edge of the industry. The games were far better than any the handheld system games, but cunts didn't see tropes EA and Bethesda shoved down their throats growing up in the Switch games and sperged out over dexit and the games not suddenly being top-of-the-line.
Meanwhile 28m people bought SV and 1m less bought SS, which would not happen if the games were outright wank, as we all know enough fucking games, much less Pokémon-branded ones die in a fire because they're no fucking good (PMD while Game Freak are releasing Pokémon games, Colo and Gale: two not!pokémon pokémon games, given they make players jump hoops to play the thing, instead of allowing them agency and free will). But the majority of casual gamers are casual for a reason - they don't give a fuck for chasing memes like you dense bastards must because marketing told you at a formative age it actually meant a fuck.

>>59085023
Which game is that from?

>>59079815
This
Pokemon will never include every pokemon again. They make more off of home and ransoming a few hundred back to you via DLC than they will ever lose from the people refusing to buy pokemon because of it.

>>59085041
The best Pokemon game ever made.

>>59085037
>wanting a game to have a balanced exp curve and not feel barren is unreasonable
Open-world was a mistake.
Just give me actual routes again and trainers I can fight without making me over-levelled.

>>59084991
>new textures are in fact updating the models every game
no, that's new textures. most of the models have been unchanged since xy. they didn't even make the models in the first place, they're outsourced to creatures inc.
>entire rest of the post
settle down man, all i said was they don't recreate the models from scratch every time

>>59085045
Which is?
Is it the open-world slop, or the one that plays like Xenoblade but without any the things that made Xenoblade fun?

>>59085088
If you don't know then google.

>>59085074
Changing the texture changes the model. Everything has gotten new textures since leaving the 3DS in its appearances in every game they appear in. This shit didn't happen in 3DS days, despite them changing the PNG's every Gen up to 3D. Point-of-fact is a smaller 'dex affords them the ability to change the textures each new game depending on their vision for the game. And yet you cunts still think Game Freak want to go back to T-posing critters and uniform textures per-system because you seemingly can't live without the rigidity of that era.

>>59085091
If you don't tell me, I'm going to assume it's fake.
Because there's a 90% chance it is.

>>59079811
>Could the dex cut end in gen 10?
no, you gotta let it go

>>59085120
Weird hill to die on.

>>59085095
lol

>child continues to prove she has no concept of 3D development while simultaneously demanding things actually impossible by proven fact between 2013 and 2017

>still not displaying any indication of understanding development to the level it displays avaricious desire

>>59085037
>They're not, but autistic retards had VERY unreasonable expectations and thought Game Freak would suddenly match the bleeding edge of the industry.
They specifically promised better visuals and animations, which were already bottom of the barrel dogshit on 3DS, so it wouldn't have taken much to improve them, and yet they didn't even improve a little bit. Never mind bleeding edge, the Switch era legitimately looked and ran like N64 games. So no, they straight-up lied because they knew they had enough suckers like you in the fanbase to let them get away with it.

>>59085211
All the 3D models are already made. Literally any idiot could include all the mons if they had access to the data structure, you literally copy and paste them.

>>59085711
Problem is they keep reinventing the visual wheel every single motherfucking game, so if you just directly copypasted those models, they would look horribly out of place alongside the visual style of the newgen models.
And the reason they continue to reinvent the visual wheel every single time is because they don't have to worry about updating over 1000 motherfucking models every 2-3 years, and it also gives them an excuse to NOT go back on their statement that dexit is indefinite, because if the visual style keeps changing on a per-game basis, the roster keeps rotating, and no one game will ever house all mons aside from HOME (which is the entire point of HOME and something they can get away with, because HOME is just a bunch of PNGs).

>>59085725
They don’t. It’s the same level of fidelity, the same basic flat color pattern shaders. Put a photo of Gecqua side by side with a photo of Drizzile from the games. They fit perfectly fine

>>59085725
Champions and Go are going to catch up eventually, with Project Seed being another candidate depending on if it releases and if so how long it's supported. Which says to me that rather than making two games a generation it's probably a better idea to make games that are supported over the course of a generation. And it's not like they have to stop making games, since the new format has them making borderline experimental titles in between big releases.

>>59085612
And that did happen. But again, autistic shitbags misread the scope of the statement and expected bleeding edge from them instead of merely "far better than a 3DS" which is what we got. Sorry you're an autistic cunt, but I have no interest 'tard wrangling autistic shitbag adults who still think they're as important as the 6 year olds today, who'll be 7 years old and the EXACT target market for Pokémon next year. This is the hazards of being an AFOP. You get fuck-all in a handbasket, unless you're a HIDEOUSLY casual cunt, happy to play with Charizard every gen. If you can't even without getting your dick sucked continuously by them, it's about time you graduate from pokémon to something that desperately needs faggot adults to buy and will bend over backwards to make sure they buy and stay buying. But Game Freak don't need you.

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>>59085725
Changing the lighting a bit doesn't mean the model textures need to be changed, they just swap out a new shader and call it a day. If any work needs to be done, it's just a new texture. No need to tweak the vertices on the models they've said multiple times were future-proofed.

>>59085973
But they have in fact changed the textures each game, because they changed the PNG's each game before 3DS and dexit allows them TO update the textures for each new game again. It's staggering how you still ignore the point at hand while simultaneously unironically clamouring for them to again retard the whole presentation of the series by not updating models and using the same textures across 8+ years of system life.

>>59085822
lol you are so mad dude. quit projecting

>>59085984
>retard the whole presentation
I wasn't aware they put you in charge of it. My apologies.

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>>59085999
'Salright, I know burgetstans are illiterate.
>59085992
>says the autistic bitch with no actual counterargument.
Concession accepted spergo. No free (you)'s for the incapable.

>>59086101
>bong is seething so hard he didn't understand the obvious joke and then claims it's the mutts that are illiterate
Many such cases

>spacker thinks calling some rando fuckwit online a retard is "jokes"
>cries when she gets the treatment such statements deserve
Go be a snowflake fucker on truth social like snowflake No. 1. It's one giant hugbox for immature little boys like (You).

>>59086205
I feel like I've seen you malding in several threads the last few days, your typing style is rather distinctive.

>>59085749
Champions won't, it's only going to be final stages and a select few chosen shillmons and exception cases (like the NFE Z-Move and G-Max Holders).
GO is being actively held back and has been for years because how of close they are to having every Pokemon present. It's clear GF and TPC recognize if the fucking phone game can successfully have all 1000+ Pokemon with animations and all, then the facade will no longer work, and the expectation to put them all on console will start coming back, this time from the normalfags.

>>59086301
>it's only going to be final stages and a select few chosen shillmons and exception cases
It’s probably only going to have a small set of Pokemon regardless, at least to start, but if it does well, it would not surprise me to find they added a Little Cup format, all the past battle simulator console titles had one, which means you need NFEs.

Also, Champions has a breeder character and presumably some connection with breeding mechanics, which in a game where IVs don’t exist and natures and moves are changed with a menu, doesn’t really make a lot of sense except as an avenue to get NFEs (presumably for the purposes of picking a different evolutionary path)

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>>59086792
Champions is the host game for VGC and unless "high level" VGC players are dragging NFE shits into their team comp to then use as some 10000IQ strat, they''re not going to bother adding them.
It's basically a dexit pokémon game mixed with traditional VGC seasonal rotations.

Anyone who is remotely familiar with software development knows why dex cut happened.
Non-regional dex pokemon are a bonus feature, not a requirement, so when it came time to cut features to make the release date it got removed.
Also anyone with a brain knew it was inevitable.

>>59087096
It was possible on 3DS, with the same models.
They were only cut to increase profit margins.

>>59087116
>it was possible
I never said it wasn't possible.
>only to increase profit margins
Yes but its good to understand why it was inevitable.
National dex is not a required feature. National dex is a LOT of work (2-4x the work of the regional dex), the majority of players (casuals) don't care much about it (don't let autists here and on X deceive you).
So its a high investment, low return feature. Even if they shifted deadlines to get more time it would be a bad investment. That time could be better spent on features more players will interact with.

>>59087157
Imagine shilling this hard for the most profitable media franchise on Earth.
>That time could be better spent on features more players will interact with.
They got rid of those as well.

>>59087168
>they got rid of those as well
This actually reinforces my point, they aren't being given time to work on anything except the absolute minimum to release the game, and its a problem.

That doesn't change the fact that Nat Dex is an atrocious RoI. It would be better to spend 4x as much time on the regional dex than to bother with it.

>>59087168
Just because they dropped the shit (You) grew up with and you can't into the shit they add in its place does not mean no cunt engages with what they DO add these days. This is a result of a 90's era mindset kid's IP meeting the 21st millennium. When entertainment options EXPLODED from maybe 6 tv channels and VHS rentals to the internet becoming available to a vast number of people and media adapting itself exclusively to serve to children on the internet, never mind the metric fucktonne of other timesinks and competition for entertainment that sprang up along the way. You got old grandad. You sat stuck in your lane, while the world built a 50-lane hyperhighway overtop the dirt track out your house leading you to wonder why the biggest kid's brand on the planet is not doing things to satiate the children in their 20's and 30's who grew up with the thing, but who haven;t been relevant for the most part to any of its performance metrics to warrant such attention in a great number of years.

>>59086979
>Champions is the host game for VGC
Yeah but that doesn’t mean VGC is all it will be doing. It’s a game first and foremost, it exists to make money, and there aren’t near enough VGC-tournament players to monetize. If it can’t make battling appealing enough to a casual audience to at least attract moderate attention, it’s dead in the water. There’s a reason they included Pikachu in the list of mons that made it into the game despite it objectively having zero metagame presence and nobody who plays VGC giving a shit about its inclusion: casuals don’t want a Pogeymans game without the Pikachu.

The inclusion or exclusion of NFEs has nothing to do with their relevance in any official VGC ladder. I would be utterly shocked if Champions didn’t launch with every Pokemon currently legal in any SV format (restricted or otherwise) at minimum, just because Regs G/F/H/I/J or close iterations will be what the game is configured to run until winds and waves comes out.

>>59087315
At most, you'll get the rosters of SV and L: Z-A (given they did run a "mega vs tera" battle scenario in the trailer for it) but they HAVE also said they're limiting what goes in from the get-go. Being an intentional ignorant cunt won't change reality, they're not adding near the level of autistic battlefagging showderp does, because frankly the only cunts who truly give a shit for that are the EXACT type of sperg retard the franchise ignores by rule. Whatever you think it's gonna be, it's not. its main point of existence is not have VGC on cart 4/5 years running (I'm guessing WW will be a late '27, rather than early '27 release, meaning VGC next two years is hybrid megatera regs), its secondary aim being shutting showderp up permanently (and scaring off anyone trying to revive it with threats of legal action immediately, rather than playing the "C'n'D" game of requesting/demanding takedowns before moving up the threat level). Aside from any of that, you're playing the exact same shit they offer on cart, as the thing is actually JUST the battle engine spun off into its own app. And they'll want it to ape the game engine completely, that's why Game Freak are even listed as being involved (no Iwata-level singular genius able to backwards engineer the battle engine and rebuild his own version for use in a battle focused game any more). Making sure it imitates what Morimoto does for the game down to the keystroke.

>>59081499
Unironically, I feel the Pokémon Home subscription would be much MORE better value for money WITHOUT the dex cut than with. Cause with the dex cut it's going to get more annoying over time, people feeling their long-time Pokémon are held hostage only to be in a new game at Game Freak's whims, it disincentives staying with the series. I feel Pokémon Home is constantly bleeding players who are paying for its subscription.

>>59081512
You're post is really unhinged. You seem to not understand nuance.
>COULDN'T have done any of that
>HAS to be because
I said clearly in my post, that I still feel the dex cut is likely to happen anyway. I'm saying that the thing I pointed could be EARLY SIGNS for IF they wanted wanted to undo dex cut. As I said, it's appearing to go beyond just regular anniversary stuff, as that would usually only highlight the series in general, as I said this year in many cases the focus feels more specific. And I totally expect that it all just could be a theme they felt like choosing for this year and still have the dex cut continue anyway.

They say the franchise is for "everyone", even if children are main audience. They add stuff to appeal to both, part of that for their older fans and hardcore, is Pokémon transfers along with post game stuff. Otherwise the more general players of Pokémon play it like any other game where they beat it and move on. Pokémon transfers, post game stuff, online multiplayer and even having to full dex give them much more RETENTION of consumers.

The dex cut hampers major things that sets Pokémon apart and that the series pushes or rather did previously push. Transferring Pokémon between games, having your favourite Pokémon, catching every Pokémon and a massive variety of creatures. Pokémon heavily incentivised transferring Pokémon in several ways, not as much after dex cut, so yes those long term players who invested effort that which they were incentivised to not going to be too happy with that.

>>59080081
look at my post. Its only nine words long.

>>59080464
MY GOD, TLDR
>>59081410
The fuck man?
>>59084811
*dies*

>>59088299
Have your fingers ever gotten tired

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>>59088299
>still fucking going
I'm outright telling you yoiu dense stillborn bastard, they were doing nothing but assuring normalfags who missed their favowite shitter it's still in-series (shit, that whole twitter engagement horseshit was to get people to interact with official channels and offer them something them may not have taken a 2nd look at to use in-game). The fact every game released on Switch has seen the shitbags get new textures for that entry proves they're not reversing Dexit. If anything, they're justifying its continued removal by updating EVERYTHING they put in each new game, instead of using the same fucking models for games running, as it was FAR too much arse and work to update 721 AND add 87 new ones on top. It's dead and buried, stop reaching like a piteous retard, because you don't like the message sent.

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Personally, I just want to peer inside the mind of the long-time fan who was okay with gen 1 scribbled-by-programmers sprite art as graphics on a monochrome Game Boy, and yet has turned around to demand Pokemon meet some arbitrary standard of 'modern video game visuals', even when the developers clearly have to make tradeoffs to even come close to achieving such. What results in such dissonance?
(You can save your reply bemoaning the fact GF does not in fact care about the opinion of the aforementioned person and only cares about the youth who are likewise indoctrinated by the graffix spook, I know they're the main demographic.)

>>59087269
> the biggest kid's brand on the planet is not doing things to satiate the children in their 20's and 30's who grew up with the thing
They clearly do considering 99% of the content exists solely to pander to GEnwunne who played RBY KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>59088496
Genwunners don't give a fuck for pokémon now shitbag. What you're referring to are the casual fuckers who just play the kid's game they had positive experiences with continuously as years passed regardless of being "pandered" to or not. The shitheads Game Freak laser-focus targeted with shit like Charizard, Lucario, Greninja and even Zeraora (which are all perennial kiddy favourites to boot) that you doss cunts scream aren't liked by anyone, because you and your discord/twittard buddies dun liek dem. Because "99%" of the fanbasdse is pretty much everyone on earth (old, young and in between) save you spastic faggots squealing you want treated with the level of respect the afford the kids.

>>59088492
It's because the average person, globally, has absolutely no actual standards and instead simply agrees with consensus.

>>59085045
Thats not how I remember ORAS

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>>59084287
>you know, [slogan that hasn't been used on any game released in the last 25 years]?
>>59084811
>Gen 6 had 721, gen 7 had 809, both with no dex cut.
and every 3ds game runs like shit, wow
wonder if there's any overlap between these two things
>Like what? What specific interactions of the Pokémon themselves?
between the various pokemon (1000~ish), moves (several hundred), abilities (see previous) and extra battle effects (weather, terrain, gen gimmicks, etc.), it could take months to sus out every weird little interaction and quirk to make sure nothing breaks the game or causes a bug during a battle or something
the sheer volume of data you'd have to test and check and bugfix would eat up a shitload of development time
>inb4 but le showdown does it fine
yeah and it's a huge team of people who've been doing that exact thing for years without needing to also build an entire video game in a finite amount of time or with a finite budget

>>59085612
>the Switch era legitimately looked and ran like N64 games
you need to be 18 or older to post here

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Your only hope to see all the pokemon catchable again will be in the Pokemon MMO
I should also mention that said game will undoubtedly be absolutely horrendous and full of microtransactions.

>>59085822
>autistic shitbags misread the scope of the statement and expected bleeding edge from them
No, you misunderstood why people were mad. Game Freak was stripping away the one defining feature that Pokemon ever had over any other RPG, while simultaneously charging more for the games. The improvements they promised in return *had* to be bleeding edge in order to even begin to justify this to anyone with standards or a spine (so, in other words, not you). They weren't, they were barely noticeable if they were even made at all.
Nobody actually expected GF to hold up their end of the bargain since they're so comically inept at game development and have been made too big to fail by shit-eating retards such as yourself, but that just fueled the frustration even more.

>>59087157
>National dex is not a required feature.
99.9% of the shills who have parroted this line since SWSH are the same ones who used to sneer at Digimon, DQM, YKW, Megaten, and other such series for not having it. When you take away the national dex, which was the only remotely impressive aspect of these games, you're left with LeapFrog baby games that don't even rise to the level of RPGMaker slop.

>>59089060
It's crazy how some people are so deluded to think the number of mons could make the game run bad when the absolute max number of mons on screen at any time is like, 6. No, the reason pokemon games run bad is well-known: gamefreak intentionally runs EVERY. SINGLE. POSSIBLE. CHECK. for EVERY. SINGLE. STEP. OF. A. BATTLE. This is why.

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>>59089167
this. Game Freak is full of lazy pedophiles who can't program for shit and don't give a damn about improving because most Pokemon fans are casuals who dont know who actual games are supposed, or shills who will try to lynch you for daring to have standards. The cracks were there since the beginning but the jump to 3D has made it more apparent.

>>59089219
I swear I've used shell smash in some gen and it grouped all the buffs and debuffs respectively. Like
>buff animation
>attack rose, SA rose, speed rose
>debuff animation
>defense fell, SD fell
What happened to that?

>>59087391
> And they'll want it to ape the game engine completely, that's why Game Freak are even listed as being involved (no Iwata-level singular genius able to backwards engineer the battle engine and rebuild his own version for use in a battle focused game any more). Making sure it imitates what Morimoto does for the game down to the keystroke.
Lmao, they ALREADY revealed that the EV system has been changed and the damage calcs along with it. Granted it’s a minor change, it basically enables one additional point in any given stat at lv50 due to the 0-255 limit now being 0-256, but the idea that it’s autistically faithful to the on-cartridge battle mechanics is already demonstrably false. They IMMEDIATELY discarded IVs and changed TR speed tiers enormously as a result, and rewrote the EV system to allow for clearer distribution and slightly altered speed and power tiers, and it’s obvious they don’t care at all.

>>59088432
Anon, that pic is of the exact same model and texture, the only thing changing is the lighting/shading algorithm

>>59089131
No? Game still had pokémon. You know, the usual mix of new additions and fan favourites. They just stopped pretending the other 70% of the shite was actually worth time and effort. Funnily enough, you're still misreading why casual dicks don't fucking care and are projecting thousands of days worth of arse-searing analrape on the whole affair, because you still can't grow the fuck up and admit it's not aimed at autistic shitbag adults at any point (again, re-litigating your retarded assumption they'd join bleeding edge in return for killing dustox when they never promised to give a flying fiddler's fuck for you and every statement ended up true in general terms). Die in a fire, save your parents the heartache of worrying who'll look after you when they pass.

>>59089060
>>you know, [slogan that hasn't been used on any game released in the last 25 years]?
why do retards say this?
it was plastered everywhere when pogo came out
I dunno if pogo STILL uses that motto since even that is a decade old, but that was fucking everywhere 10 years ago

>>59089245
haha please understand

They delayed the games to 2027 because I willed dexit ending.

>>59084592
>>59084635
>>59084669
Stop being pedantic. "Gotta catch 'em all!" refers to obtaining at least one of every Pokémon in a given game, it means to complete the Pokédex. You being all "But you technically couldn't CATCH them all." isn't clever and not an argument. Yes, the dex cut IS antithetical to Pokémon and the slogan. It's not just about being to obtain them all. It's also about the player being able to use any previous gen Pokémon they want in a game, and to keep moving them from game to game. The dex cut hampers that. The dex cut is about them making it so some species of previous gen Pokémon outright can not be transferred to some games, whereas before the dex cut every game had every previous gen species of Pokémon able to be used in those pre-dex cut games, each of those pre-dex cut games having every species from before their release being useable.

>>59089325
Yup. Gotta Catch 'Em All is still being used TO THIS VERY DAY because nostalgia fucking sells.
Sure, it's not on the box anymore, it's not relevant to the games anymore, but it's in general Pokemon marketing and merchandising. They aren't gonna let a slogan that catchy and iconic fall into disuse when they can tickle nostalgia boners every so often with it.

>>59089819
>and to keep moving them from game to game
Oh so Gen 3 dexcutted everything?

>>59089931
Actually Gen 2 did, when you were forced to trade with the Gen 1 games in order to obtain Charizard, despite the fact Charizard was literally featured in Gen 2's intro.

>>59079815
Its meant to a celebration of all the previous gens, anon, the 10th gen, no dexcut makes sense here,

>>59080211
They could simply reuse models and maybe update some gens' models to fit the same style of the reused models so that the dexcut stops being a problem after 3 or so generations

>>59089954
If they stop the dexcut now, it sets the expectation that every game going forward on Switch 2 must now have all 1000+ Pokemon, because "they already did it in Winds & Waves, why is it suddenly a problem now?"
GameFreak and TPC believe in minimum investment, maximum profit, to the point where they went the Game Key Card route for Pokopia because they didn't want to splurge savings on ordering 64GB cartridges from Nintendo for a game that's not even 10GB in starting filesize.

They should really just make a Ranch addition to Home that allows you to view pokemon more deeply than Home can and shows most or all the information that is hidden between games. What’s this guy’s sheen? What ribbons do they have? Is he the alpha from PLA i’m trying to use in SwSh? Is this mon in SV just dmax or Gmax? What’s they’re tera, since this guy is from Paldea but I’m using it in Galar? This stuff is all available in each game and saved by Home but only accessible when moved to a certain game or in certain cases some is accessible in mobile Home but not Switch. Give them some cheapo interactions like Ranch had/has and continue to update it with new mons, ribbons, mechanics, all that shit and allow you to change names. Give it a subscription or bundle it with Home Premium and they’d easily make their money back

>>59089245
I liked it better when Atk/SpA buffs/debuffs were red, Def/SpD were blue and Spe was green.

>>59089245
It does that but as this is the first titan it treats it like a retard tutorial and spells it out.

>>59089975
No, that's just how the ability Anger Shell as a whole works. It has nothing to do with the fact that Klawf is a boss, it will happen EVERY SINGLE TIME you get a mon with Anger Shell into the proc zone.

What’s with the angry Troon defending gamefreak as if they don’t have the most profitable ip in the world?

>>59089931
they thought about it, but no, they didn't

>>59080211
>>59089958
It's even funnier when they had all that bullshit around gen 6 about how they were future proofing models...and then abandoned them all 2 gens later

>>59089980
Being the most profitable IP in the world isn't from spending money flagrantly, it's from pinching pennies and cutting corners as often as possible.
Sure, you DO have millions in your reserves, but it's better to hold onto it so your annual report continues to look satisfying to your peers rather than spending it to improve the quality of your product, because improved quality does not automatically mean a sales boost in equivalent measure to justify the increased investment.

>>59080309
Well if they undo dex cut, only to then have it again after that. Then yes, I'm sure the reaction would be worse than the first time. Because then they would have shown they COULD support all Pokémon, but don't want to.

>>59089963
Unless they sell the gens as dlc, so they could advertise it as having every pokemon in gen 10 while not having to put them all in right away

>>59079811
The dex cut will literally never end and Pokemon will never be as good as it was before the 3DS. People ate up Bank and Home and paid dlc expansions to the point that Game Freak can sell pretty much anything pokemon and have it be profitable. Why would they sell a completely featured game with actual postgame battle facilities, baked in connectivity, and all the pokemon programmed in like they used to when they've proven time and time again that this anti-consumer piecemealing of the series not only works, but has morons unironically praising it? The unfortunate reality is that pokemon has taken a turn for the absolute worst and it will continue to get worse as long as people continue eating up the slop.

They should link HOME directly to the game storage, so if you have a HOME subscription you can use mons from other games seamlessly.
So ingame you'd have two storages if you have HOME, and you can choose which is the deafult one (just have a checkbox "this is the main storage").
BOOM, every single person will pay that subscription.

>>59092017
Nu-uh, then people won't pay for the Premium Membership, which is required for expanded Champions box storage :)
These games are never about making good deal, but the shittiest ones they can get away with.

>>59079811
It's never ending, you bought the game anyway with the dexcut. You proved them the dexcut is fine, just like millennials proved MtG that it's fine to sell promos for quadruple the price. Why should they revert to a less convenient state? The customer base isn't gonna change

>>59092017
I'm guessing you mean them undoing the dex cut to do what you suggested. I do like your idea as it would to me make the subscription much better value for money, even more than if they only undid the dex.

>>59092047
I feel with the way things currently are, they may be overtime gradually losing the retention of consumers. I feel at least some players are going to be getting more inclined overtime to just stop sticking with the series. But I'm not fully sure on that. So If that is the case, they'd surely have to do something to remedy that if they care, be it undo dex cut or something else. Otherwise they'll have to rely and pander to only the mainstream consumers that merely buy the game, beat the main story and move on.

>>59089060
>moves (several hundred), abilities (see previous) and extra battle effects (weather, terrain, gen gimmicks, etc.)
So not the Pokémon themselves, just as I said. Moves, Abilities, Items and so on are directly programmed. Even then code can be reused too if done with proper planning depending on exact specifics. Only a few specific Pokémon any kind of real special exception that actually directly needs special code, like Shedinja's having one HP or Pokémon like Dugtrio always being in the ground.

>>59092047
MtG is dying fast though.

>>59091282
>not having to put them all in right away
I very against the dex cut, but I'd be totally OK with this. But it does depend on how long, a few months is OK for me.

What more information did we get from the leaks about the dex cut?

>>59080540
What you said brings to mind the idea of "vote with your wallet" and you correctly show one of the issues with it with you saying:
>now that the cattle have shown it's not a big enough deal to make them stop consooming.
So with that, the idea of a boycott wasn't really on the table with the majority of buyers being uncaring casuals.

Sales aren't a fully accurate representation of general opinion or quality. But Game Freak certainly care about sales to a significant enough degree. For one thing, I'm sure SS and SV merely being on the Switch at all are big reason for their high sales. Before that not having major Pokémon main games on a home console. The best we can do is let Game Freak/TPCi know how we feel, but it's important to do that correctly. In the end, it's really their choice. The whole #BringBackNationalDex movement ended up so many issues. But perhaps it could be possible advocate better this year for undoing dex? I wonder how.

>>59096534
>The best we can do is let Game Freak/TPCi know how we feel, but it's important to do that correctly.
Several problems here for a start, the younger element of adult pokémon fan can not in fact display their grievances in a proper fashion by-and-large. From attacking normal cunts on twitter for not caring about the 'dex cut, to sending death threats to one of the studio founders and long-time director of the series because they as a whole made the decision to concentrate on the games, rather than including everything in spite of the game to be made. Then there's the issue of no-one in Game Freak, Nintendo or Creatures actively giving a shit what adults think Pokémon should do to please them, when it's far easier to continue to do what kids and casuals will buy into and ignore the idiots who think they're as important as any child, or casual merch-buying normalfag.
>But perhaps it could be possible advocate better this year for undoing dex?
It won't be, which feeds back into the point you raised about it being their decision. They chose to cut it out, because they wanted to work more on the games themselves. Gen 10 or Switch 2 isn't going to change that. If anything, it's further highlighting how cutting it out has afforded them to make such progress in graphical presentations than they ever displayed in their first 9 years of 3D-focused development.

>>59089931
What makes the dex cut from gen 8 onwards specifically different is that it's the first time they intentionally didn't add species data for all previous gen Pokémon.

>>59096765
It was also entirely their fault this time for being lazy greedy pricks. What happened with Gen 3 was Nintendo's fault and GF/TPC spent the rest of the generation making up for it.

>>59097192
Anon, they were RESTRICTED by TPC from actually trying to make up for it, when TPC forbade them to run the events that would have allowed Johto pokémon be caught in FRLG, as that would diminish the need for kids to demand Colo AND a gamecube. TPC do nothing but attempt to try and supplant Game Freak, despite ALSO being ran by Game Freak, who have completely different ideals and motives.

>>59084390
This. If they really are going to undo dex for gen 10. They could milk it so hard in the marketing. It really could be something like what "Everyone is here!" was to Smash Ultimate. They're already doing a lot of stuff with their "What's your favourite?" marketing campaign, and they're going to be doing that for the whole of this year. It could be leading up to undoing dex cut. If it's not then it really is just a theme they happened to choose.

>>59084895
It wouldn't take them too much effort to include all the Pokémon, let alone in gen 8. But it was a big effort for every Fighter to return for Smash Ultimate. Smash is a fighting game. There's hitboxes and animations synced to each other, each attack needs to be programmed, and then can be changed in an update for balance reasons. It's also a crossover so they had to deal with all the permissions for the IPs included. Pokémon is an RPG. Things are turn-based, happening with Stats, data is more reusable and Move animations are separate from Pokémon animations. Pokémon has had transferring Pokémon for a long time as thing unique to the series, it gives great incentive to stay with the series, that and the other stuff they have for that. So back then when the dex cut happened, the irony was not lost on me. That Pokémon started dex cut with gen 8 but Smash had every Fighter return for Ultimate one year earlier.

>>59092093
>I'm guessing you mean them undoing the dex cut to do what you suggested
I mean keeping the dex cut within the games but having a more seamless alternative for using pokemon not naturally available in the games going forward by using HOME storage directly ingame. In a paid manner, ofc.

>>59098615
So, it's in effect the same amount of work as putting 450-ish pokémon into a RPG exploration/adventure game, given one's solely focused on being an area fighter and ensuring everything plays nice in the battle scenarios and one's focused on creating an experience in an RPG set in a fantasy universe with magical cartoony monsters.
You're also dismissing WHY SU had "everyone is here!" - it was Sakurai's last game as director. He's not going to be driving the charge or rallying the troops to get it finished any more and wanted to sign off as HE felt fit.Pokémon doesn't work like that. It didn't stop when Tajiri left, they slotted in Ohmori as soon as they got tired of Masuda in the backroom. Sure enough as soon as Ohmori fucks it or decided to peace out, some other new cunt will come along to put their spin on Pokémon. But the studio won't go back to adding 600+ superfluous creatures to game carts like they did in 2D, because it was piss easy to draw 600+ PNG's to add to a folder in the game files back then.

>>59084895
>considering one's an arena fighter aimed at teens and aduts
Ultimate goes out its way to keep an A rating in Japan AKA the children's rating. Stop using children as an argument, it only makes you look stupid.

>>59099004
Models are easier to reuse. Every gen prior to X/Y they re-sprited every pokemon, that was ballooning out of control as the mon count increased. 3D models can be reused trivially and they HAVE been reusing them for several games now, it’s quite literally a copy-paste job.

It’s certainly an undertaking to make animations for all mons, and spreading that across multiple generations would make sense. But they’re already perfectly content to have mons be completely un-animated or reuse generic animations for everything except a few special cases, so it’s not like there’s any meaningful cost. They aren’t excluding mons because they can’t finish animating them since they routinely include hundreds of mons without complete animation sets.

At this point (and it’s been pointed out before) EVERY Pokemon has appeared in at least one Nintendo Switch 3D game with a model and animations. The work is demonstrably complete at this point. Any exclusion of mons from the Pokedex at this point is objectively for reasons other than the workload of implementing it, because the work required is already 100% complete. It would literally be copying assets into a folder.

That idea with the dex cut wouldn't change things too much, just kind of a QoL change then. You wouldn't have to exit the game and start Pokémon Home to move Pokémon, as the Home Boxes would just show up in the game. Which is kind of a time-saver. But with still having the dex cut it means the non-compatible species wouldn't be seen, or they can be seen and just can't be put in. If it's the latter and the species data actually exists in the game to be able to see their summary and stuff but not transfer them. Then that makes much more like what happened with gen 2 to gen 3, where only the transfer was limited. That would be awful and I feel cause more outrage as the data is right there but not allowed to be transferred. And potentially save file edits could then be used then to add the Pokémon of the species that were dex cut.

I meant to reply to >>59098941 in >>59100267.

Now that we're learning more about Pokémon Champions, it appears they're drip-feeding us Pokémon for it. Whether or not they'll eventually add all the Pokémon to it remains to be seem but so far I'd say likely not, either way there's also how they'll time all that which we'll have to see.

>>59099004
>because it was piss easy to draw 600+ PNG's to add to a folder in the game files back then
GF was never the greatest sprite artists in the world, but you are still hugely underestimating how much more effort the sprites required vs. models that can just be made once and recycled endlessly with minor periodic texture updates. It's not even close.

>>59088492
>What results in such dissonance?
years and years of pokerot

>>59101024
Not nearly as much effort as individually tailoring each and every model to the game engine, to ensure it behaved properly no. Stop being a disingenuous little bitch, because you're a salty cunt casualtards ensured your bitchboy movement died on its arse to little impact (like we all didn't tell you that was going to happen prior to game launch). And since they started changing textures each game, that ensures a need to keep dexit dexited. To afford them the time to concentrate on the 500-ish and have them looking swanky as fuck (but again, to an extent. They're never going to chase meme-level gwaffix no matter how much gwaffixbabbies want them to).

>>59101345
>Not nearly as much effort as individually tailoring each and every model to the game engine, to ensure it behaved properly no
My friend you have absolutely no idea how 3D models work, I am sorry to say.

>>59099144
>nintendo game seeks historic "everyone" audience due to Nintendo deciding some games SHOULD be suitable for everyone, due to how they sold Japan on the Famicom and built their entire business model around
>this somehow dismisses the point Pokémon is an RPG game that deliberately and intentionally focuses on children primarily and furfags/casualtards secondarily and as a result do not need to care about autistic shitbag adults who can't accept the fact they're nearing their 30's and childless, giving Game Freak no reason to ever target her
And like I said, buggering around with 80 models is about the same as dicking about with 450, when one team intensely focuses on the models to ensure the best performance from their arena fighter, the other focuses less uintensively per model, allowing them to deal with a greater volume of models before game needs go gold. They're not getting 7 years to make ONE pokémon game though, meaning no point trying to shove in 1025+ cunts into one game in 4 years. As proven, the world at large doesn't find it the mindbreak (You) do.

>>59101351
No, you don't. I know however back in 2010, when Nintendo announced the 3DS, a plethora of staple studios who developed for GBA and DS either pivoted to mobile, or attempted to transition to 33D development and went bankrupt, due to how challenging it was to being 3D development for studios. And if Game Freak didn't have Pokémon, they'd have been the same. but they did and had Nintendo too, so they were guaranteed to survive the transition. But they learned lessons and chief among them was going into proper 3D home console game development to cut the pokédex, to which the developers of the industry reacted as if they had been expecting such an announcement, with some even stating they were surprised Game Freak had supported it for so long under 3D in the first place. I'll defer to people who's jobs it is to feed themselves by working making games, than some little incel re-litigating her arserape from 2,000 odd days ago.

>>59101390
Have you ever actually used 3D models in a game engine? Do you understand how they work?

>>59101426
I grew up in the 80's, so was never offered programming as a school subject, no. I DO know however if it was as piss-easy as you claim it so, both GTA and TES 6 would be out and launched and we'd all be playing them happily. Because they'd have been able to shit them both out sooner than 6 years and counting (like Game Freak were able to continuously shit out 2D games with entirely new spriteart in the GB/GBA days).
When "proper" studios take less than the time it takes a baby to grow into game Freak's target market to laucnh 3D vidoe games, I'll know it's gotten easier overall for the industry. When it's taking cunts doing it right almost 8 years to do so, it's getting harder (Skyrim launched 5 years after Oblivion and was magnitudes larger than it by far to boot).

>>59101501
> I DO know however if it was as piss-easy as you claim it so, both GTA and TES 6 would be out and launched and we'd all be playing them happily.

I totally agree with you but you chose the wrong games to make a point.
The primary thing holding those games down are business decisions.

>>59101501
Anon nobody is doubting there’s a huge amount of upfront work in creating 1000+ character models for each mon. What you’re failing to understand is that the work is DONE. The assets can be reused; asset reuse is VERY common in 3D, in fact one of the big advantages of 3D is that despite higher upfront effort it saves time in the long term because of asset reuse. This is why as budgets have tightened, more and more 2D titles have gone 2.5D or done a model-to-sprite pipeline.

I’m an amateur game dev. I understand very well both how time consuming it can be to add a single model to a game AND how much work can be reused with a 3D pipeline. Please listen to me when I say the hard part is done. The mons are all modeled. At this point, engine implementation is literally trivial.

>>59101501
you are beyond retarded. GTA6 and TES6 aren't out because they make more money by swallowing grants and loans and then firing people instead of releasing a game in a reasonable timespan.

>>59101539
Nah, TES was because Bethesda announced far too early, setting unreasonable expectations for people interested, rockstar because they're actually a really shitty company propped up by a disgustingly profitable live-service.
Don't even have to use them then, Pokémon is more well known to Japanese children than Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest, because it takes upward of a third of their lives for FF/DQ to launch a new title, while Pokémon shits out theirs yearly by not needing to worry about a particular population demographic's particular opinion on a particular thing. Whereas, if these shits had their way, it'd be of similar consideration to kids as FF./DQ and worse off for it, given it's entirely child-focused (to the point even Teraleak confirmed the paired games are specifically kept retard-easy for kids and casuals) yet wouldn't have the cultural impact yearly releases and constant additions to the franchise as a result of new games do.
>>59101557
No bitch, the work in fact is NOT "done". they change the textures on the model every game since leaving the 3DS and a full 'dex behind (As I said earlier in-thread, they can once again AFFORD to change the individual looks of the individual pokémon, due to not having a collective 905/1025 individual models to re-texture, to match how they re-drew sprite art for every game up to 3D. Where they kept the same textures on the same t-posing models for 4 games in a row). And this is why dexit won't return, far more attractive to re-texture a handful and give them a sense of vitality, than add a thousand flat, textureless plasticy models on what's essentially a system that can output at 4K.

>>59081564
thats not the reason why mons are being held back in go. niantic just hasnt figured out how to properly monetize them for maximum profits (arceus), how to implement them at all (mimikyu), or theyre being dripfed for "content" (blipbug being added a week ago in an otherwise completely useless and dry "event" with no kind of bonus whatsoever)

>>59101501
GTA has taken forever to come out because Rockstar was content to sit around milking their Shark Card whales in GTAO for as long as they could. TES 6 is taking forever because Bethesda is as inept as Game Freak but makes games that are a significantly larger scale than Pokemon.

>>59079815
>No, numb nuts. Dexcut is never ending because otherwise they can't sell retards on HOME subscriptions

You really gonna pay a subscription for a platform where Gamefreak can delete your Pokemons moves while transferring games? Thats peak retardation right there.

>>59102226
Never said I would, but there's countless retards who will because they're battered wives. They don't even care if ribbons are being deprecated, even though the whole point of caring is that they were dragging their "broest bro" from Colosseum/GoD all the way up to the most recent game (which, as of LZA, Scyther is the only ex-Shadow Pokemon who has the privilege of being able to visit every single mainline entry) to collect as many ribbons as possible as the ultimate flex of seniority.

>>59089963
Well if they really undo dex cut for gen 10, then I would be even more annoyed if they then did dex cut yet again for the next game after.

>it sets the expectation that every game going forward on Switch 2 must now have all 1000+ Pokemon
I would hope that would set that expectation if that happened. But I'm not sure that would be the case. The series already had the expectation that every new game could have every previous gen Pokémon transferred to it, then they changed that expectation with the dex cut. So undoing dex cut would be them changing their mind on changing their mind, which might make it more possible they redo dex cut again, even if that would also cause a negative reaction.