What the fuck is wrong with the pokemon distribution and level curve in this game? Why is it somehow worse than Colosseum's? At least that game gave you fully evolved shadow pokemon but this piece of shit spams you with first stage shitters even past the halfway point.
Because this and Colosseum exist to fill the gap of Pokemon unavailable in Ruby/Sapphire and FireRed/LeafGreen.
>>59086628That doesn't answer the level curve issue, a good chunk of the pokemon don't even reach their evos until practically the final dungeon unless you go out of your way to grind like a moron and move availability is also terrible, they couldn't even be bothered to fix the dogshit movepools some have with their starting movesets and instead opted to give 3/4ths of them Refresh!
Never played XD before now, can't say I'm enjoying it. It's sluggish as fuck, the overworld sucks and the humans are just fucking disgusting looking. Starting to seriously question everyone's glazing of this and Colloseum after all these years.
>>59086658That's because they haven't played it and only like the idea of it. The actual games just are not very good. Both games you always get backloaded so many Pokémon by the endgame at the point where you don't need them anymore and can't even afford to purify them. In motion you actually only get maybe 30 Pokémon to choose from.
>>59086658Honestly Colosseum was ultimately better balanced despite the clear QoL changes XD brought. Defensive stats in XD are fucking useless due to you only wanting to tank shit while trying to catch shadow pokemon but due to the change made to shadow pokemon hitting super effective against everything besides other shadow pokemon the best tanks will always be your highest level shadow pokemon. This makes the pool of viable mons even smaller than that from Colosseum since you always want fucking sweepers. It's hilarious how Umbreon goes from being useful as a wall in Colosseum to fucking worthless in Gale of Darkness.
>>59086658Been saying it for years, these games are not very good as an actual adventure RPG like the main games are, people didn't praise them that much until they wanted an excuse to shit on the mainline Switch games. It was cool at the time to have an actual RPG Pokemon on a home console and not just a battle simulator like Stadium, but it was not as good as the mainline games. That said, I still like the Gamecube games as an addition to the GBA games; filling out your dex, getting more TMs and move tutors, additional Battle Facilities
>>59086681Nah, Colosseum and XD fans are the only people who have actually played these games. But they are a product of its time, obviously tourists will suffer from skill issues.
>XD
>>59086681I have replayed Colosseum dozens of times since the 2000s and I still prefer it to the main games. It has fun character designs, good music and a unique atmosphere.
>>59087271OP here just to confirm that I'm not insane but did you also feel like pokemon selection was somehow worse in GoD for the reasons I stated in >>59086729
Mainly due to the changes they did to Shadow Pokemon, if I had to guess. It would definitely be annoying to deal with too many fully evolved Shadow Pokemon completely dunking on everything because they always hit for SE. That said, they could have added more Pokemon to the pokespots to help with the distribution.I think the romhacks fix these quite a bit on top of improved AI and modernized mechanics to make shitmons less shit. But I still enjoyed the Orre experience.
Colosseum is good, XD is only worth playing as XG.
>>59086658It's because of the cover art. Genuine.y People love XD because of the cover art. That is the only reason. They're imagining a cool legendary dark Shadow the Hedgehog pokemon.
It amuses me that every loner just judge this game on the single player campaign alone.Back in the day, 14+ bros and me played this every weekend for years and years, for fun or doing thematic tournaments, the 20/30 hours campaign can't compare with the thousands hours you spend playing multiplayer on this. It was designed with multiplayer in mind so its funny to me that zoomies can't connect with this game that easily.
>>59086617What, you mean you don't enjoy 50% of the available Pokemon being shoved into the last hour of the game?
>>59087362>XG? What's tha-Dropped.
>>59087380What? A reward to your gba games for completing the game?
>>59087375You can't connect online with these re-releases, so the multiplayer experience is nonexistent.
>>59087383Literally makes most of the trash you get somewhat usable.
>>59086617Because you are intended to be rotating at least a part of your team regularly.
>>59087395No shit sherlock that's exactly what I just said, zoomers playing now on nso don't get 90% of the game experience.
>>59086617Compensating for the fact you get to have more actually good earlygame mons this time around compared to dealing with Johto's Greatest Hits in Colosseum's earlygame, you either lock in your team of six based on your acquisition pool between Eevee and the Cipher Hideout, and never shake it up once you make your lock, or you get fucked and have to grind out some levels.
>>59087429>Compensating for the fact you get to have more actually good earlygame mons this time around compared to dealing with Johto's Greatest Hits in Colosseum's earlygameI just looked up Colosseum's list of pokemon and holy shit dude, I don't remember it being this bad.
>>59087395What about couch multiplayer?
>>59087456Hope you like quickbattle (also I think only Colosseum had that)
>>59087455It's easy to forget because Espeon and Umbreon genuinely carry your team in Colosseum for basically the entirety of the game.
>>59087455It doesn't help either that purifying Shadow Pokemon post Pyrite Town is a pain in the ass to even consider using them, things like Vibrava, Forretress, Granbull, or Heracross would be fine to use, but by then you spend too much time making them playable, and the measly 3 Time Flutes the game gives you are always for the 3 dogs or Tyranitar/Metagross when 80% of the game is already finished the best thing about GoD was how easy it was to purify Shadow Pokemon.
>>59087405Rotate them with what? Some other first stage piece of shit that evolves at level 40 which by then the game is already over?
Should I try regular Gale or go with XG?
>>59087525Yeah but at least a good chunk of shadow pokemon in Colosseum are instantly usable beyond their initial level range the moment you purify them since they're often at least partially evolved. In XD you have to purify AND evolve a metric shit ton of them
>>59086658It's one of those "you had to be there" things. Colosseum and XD were the first 3D games that had a story and played closer to a mainline game. Before that we just had Stadium. The graphics look bad now but were absolutely an improvement over anything 2D then and having that it a game where we could level up explore was kino. We still had a high from the clones from the Mewtwo movie and making evil shadow pokemon was the cool edgy thing. We all wanted to steal pokemon because we wanted to join Team Rocket in RBY but couldn't. We also had more time on summer vacation to wait for the slow battle system and enjoy the animations and hadn't experienced the convenience of speed-up on emulators. When people complain about how slow these games play, it's because they are comparing it to mainline game speed, perhaps with animations off and emulator speed-up. Speed-up is the better way to play usually, if you want to play more and especially on a replay of a game for time sake and when you get used to that and then play something this slow it feels like it takes forever.tl;dr It was good for it's time and we didn't have anything better to compare it to yet.
>>59087743Check the list of features for XG and decide for yourself. The biggest difference with XG is probably pic related >>59087383
>>59087858It's definitely a product of its time. Back then, it was a great innovation, being a Pokémon 3D game for a home console rather than a handheld. But unlike Stadium, it had a storyline, as well as a protagonist who broke the mold (Colosseum). It also created dynamics to disguise its shortcomings, such as the lack of wild Pokémon or cutscenes of motorcycle travel to create the illusion of a gigantic and desolate region, when in reality there were only about six locations.I really enjoyed it. My first Pokémon game was Emerald, and when I tried Red and Crystal, I found them easy games with the same structure. When I tried Colosseum, I was frustrated at first, but I liked having a challenge. While XD's better mechanically, it lost a lot of its essence, reverting to the "local kid saves the world with the power of friendship" trope. That said, I wouldn't recommend this series to a modern audience that wants quick rewards and lacks patience.
>>59087868XG starts off by giving me a Zigzagoon as a second starter. That's good enough for me to stick with it. But I'll try vanilla XD later on.
What would you want in an Orre remake?
>>59088086Alola's finest.
>>59088086New universe retelling of Colosseum with about 5 original Pokemon.
>>59086658It was one the first times the fanbase could do the “look at what x can do compared to GameFreak” thing. Most people probably remember a handful of battle themes and the edgy premise more than actually playing the game (if they did at all)
>>59086617>Easier than Colosseum>Still filters gen A kids
>>59087743Finding a working XG rom was such a pain in my dick, and then it couldn't get past Phenac vefore entirely breaking. Hopefully you have a better time, XG would be my favorite romhack if it worked.
I'm tired of pretending that Colosseum and XD were bad
>>59088652No issues so far beyond some visual glitches or frames stuttering cause of the emu. Enjoying it quite a bit, but I evolved my Eevee into a Vaporeon and a few minutes later I'm presented with a Maril and a Mudkip...Still sticking with Vaporeon because they gave it Storm Drain in this, but man.
>>59086617both games lacked slowpoke family line.
>>59087405No you're fucking not unless you want to be severely under leveled or have to grind colosseums until you can even use them without them having regular sperg outs
>>59088940ExactlySeverly underlevelled is a good match for overlevelled first forms, to help them catch up more quickly. This is exactly what Black and White did for its postgame.You are supposed to be chewing on 1-3 shadow pokemon at any given time, using them to resist other shadow moves and catch new shadows, then cycling them out with the new ones. You really should only have 3 or 4 "core" members you fill out over the game.
>>59087380The game doesn't end once you beat Evice little bro
>>59087525purifying shadow pokemon is like breeding, just pick a spot and run for a bit while you watch tv, not my fault your a tiktok zoomer
