What's the worst pokemon spinoff /vp/ has tricked you into playing?
>>59090283Mystery Dungeon. Story is the only reason I finished and even that wasn’t anything special even for “Pokemon standards”.
>>59090283>implying this shithole board has any leverage on me
>>59090287You better not be talking about Red Rescue Team
>>59090294Is that the one with the time traveling? It’s been a while
>>59090299No, it's the first one.
>>59090302Oh
/vp/ hasn't tricked me into playing ANY spin-offs, as I've been "too old" for Pokémon since its debut and didn't seek to buy/play anything I had (rightly) assumed was horseshit aimed at 7 year olds upon discovering its existence. I did play a couple of the Nintendo-produced spin-offs as it was Nintendo making them (they didn't quite get pokémon either, but the card game was great and pinball was decent fun, which is all I played). That extends to 27-30-ish year old anons trying to convince me to play a not!pokémon "pokémon" console game.
Ranger and Pokepark are extremely overrated, i've tried the first Ranger when it was new and i hated it. I had more fun on Dash.
>>59090283how could you not like Colosseum?
>>59090656>how could you not like the mainline games but shittier in every conceivable way
>>59090283No, I played them all of my own volition.
>>59090656Because I like actual pokemon games and not dogshit with 0 wild battles, a pathetically small world, hilariously short campaign and a roster composed of Johto's finest shitmon.
>>59090656The main series games are fundamentally jrpgs. Colosseum leans more toward a traditional jrpg than the other games do, so people who aren't otherwise exposed to the genre have nothing to compare it to. See the other replies to your post, they aren't real criticisms
>>59090660>>59090664the main games are braindead easy. Colosseum is a unique challenge you don't see outside of post game battle towers.
>>59090677>maybe if I say the word jrpg over and over again I can pretend the game isn’t steaming shit
>>59090681>the main games are braindead easy.So is Colosseum. The entire fucking game is>click toxic with umbreon turn 1>click screens with espeon turn 1>spam STABs with umbreon/espeon>win
>>59090664>Johto's finest shitmonYou arent kidding, doing my first rerun since I was a kid and I remember a scizor sweeping Espeon and umbreon so I snagged qualava, only to find in the next town they give you substitutes and the grass one is fucking HoppipThe only game where choosing a chicorita line would be an advantage
>>59090688>he uses toxic stall stratsno wonder you find the game easy you fucking moron
>>59090696>i-it’s challenging>but only if you play like a retard on purpose
>>59090688Toxic in a double battle? You can't spam stabs with umbereon and espeon. Crunch is on everything and umbron is a terrible attacker.
>>59090684Not a real criticism
>>59090314The first Ranger is objectively bad. The latter two are much better.
>>59090283Colosseum filtering niggers will never not be funny.
>>59090696>>59090707
>>59090684>I don't like JRPGsTough tits.
>>59090785>the campaign being short linear piss easy dogshit padded out by egregiously slow animations you can’t turn off isn’t a real criticism because I said jrpg
>>59090696More like the devs have no idea how pokemon even work considering their fucktarded AI regularly targeta ghost types with normal moves.
>>59090856Sorry, my reading comprehension sucks so when I saw>maybe if I say the word jrpg over and over again I can pretend the game isn’t steaming shitI didn't realize you meant that it was too short and also needed a fast forward button
More like>What spinoffs does /vp/ have absolute shit opinions on?The answer is all of them. Dash is one of the best games in the franchise, along with Channel.Colosseum and XD are based and what Pokemon should be. Trozei is better than Puzzle League but not Challenge. PokePark is one of the best kid games ever made. Ranger is the most engaging gameplay the franchise has ever had. Rumble is the most underrated Pokemon installment. Pinball RS is the best game Jupiter ever made. Followed by Pinball. Picross is the most important lost media ever recovered.Meanwhile Conquest is awful shit with Pokemon completely tacked on. Snap is mid. Mystery Dungeon is fine but grossly overrated by people who've never played other games before.PBR looks sexy but is super shallow on game modes. TCG is nostalgia talking, it isn't that good and is piss easy.
>>59090656Colosseum is about 6 hours of actual content padded into 4x that via obnoxious level jumps forcing you to grind on Mt.Battle and the terrible purification system.
>>59090981There are no huge level jumps in Colosseum. Shadow Pokemon deal super effective damage so the levels are there to balance. They gain all their exp once purified and match the rest of the game. If you're this dumb and bad, spam Espeon.
>>59090656The game is way too fucking grindy. Retards and shitters complain about the mainline games being grindy because they think they need to match the levels of enemy Pokemon in boss fights but the Shadow Pokemon are the real deal and purifying them fucking SUCKS. They were a really cool concept too but pretty much everything about them is just kind of annoying, like having to catch them before they KO themselves with Shadow Rush and how Purification isn't as simple as gaining EXP.
>>59091004Also 90% of them are johto shitmons that aren’t remotely worth using anywayWhat I did was just use Umbreon/Espeon the whole game and then pad the rest of my party by constantly rotating whatever highest level shadow Pokemon were available as fodder
>>59091002>Shadow Pokemon deal super effective damage so the levels are there to balance.That was a XD change.
>>59090722>CrunchThat's not doing anything in gen 3 to Espeon lmao what's the strongest crunch? Houndoom's 110 spatk one? that ain't doing shit after light screen
>>59090688>>59090707You literally made the game slower, boring and arguably more difficult to play through by keeping Umbreon around and letting it waste valuable EXP Points that could've gone to something more useful.>>59090689Skiploom/Jumpluff is unironically useful for catching things by setting statuses but yeah it's awful at actually damaging anything. Bayleef/Meganium just sits there and slowly dies while slowly killing the enemy like Umbreon would.>>59090681Colosseum is mostly only challenging because most of the mons you have access to are mediocre to just atrocious, which I honestly wouldn't mind because being forced to use mostly weaker Pokemon could've been interesting if the endgame level jumps weren't so absurd.
>>59090920>Dash is one of the best games in the franchise>Conquest is awful shitGood lord
>>59090981Name a pokemon game with a decent leveling system
>>59090920>Colosseum and XD are based and what Pokemon should be.Lmao no, haven't played through XD and I enjoyed a lot about Colosseum, enough that I consider it a decent game with major flaws. I do think the mainline games should have taken some cues from them like how much personality all of the Gen III Pokemon were given to match what HAL pulled off with the N64 models that were unfortunately recycled with minimal improvements. Shadow/Rogue Pokemon would be a neat thing to see in the mainline games as like a way to add powerful Pokémon to your team with special moves like Egg moves and maybe some preset perfect IVs, but only if purifying/taming them worked just like leveling up a normal Pokemon.
>>59091120It's harder to list off the ones that aren't, I think Sinnoh generally has it the worst since Badge Boosts are no longer a thing and DPPt's endgame level jumps are almost as bad as Colosseum's. I like that they tried to make systems where EXP scaled based on Pokémon Levels relative to KO'd opponents but it always made leveling things like Legendaries for Level 70+ moves really annoying. Gen 6 and 7's EXP Shares are fine conceptually but XY suffers alot from not being designed around it too well.
>>59091072Conquest isn't good, it's easily the worst Nobunaga game by a huge margin, and it plays worse than even the gayest Fire Emblems. It's fine, I mean I would have liked a sequel with some improvements and better integration of the Pokemon license, but it's not particularly well done at all. Dash meanwhile, is simple, fun, pick up and play action. Looks great for a DS launch title, soulful music and the racing is just pure fun. I wish they had followed it up properly instead of shifting to PokePark honestly.
>>59090283This board made me think that SV was a step up from SwSh even if it was still mediocre, instead I think SV is the least enjoyable Pokemon game I've played.I've never played a Pokemon game where the mere act of moving around felt shit.
>>59091559sorry i know this is a spinoff thread but this is the only thing i could think of
>>59090283Colosseum really isn't a good game in retrospect and romhacks can't make the game more fun unfortunately.XD is better as a even if its protagonist and roster is even worse, but romhacks like XG make the game a lot more fun.>>59091559SV is better than SwSh but its such a pathetically awfully low bar to begin with so you still ended up playing putrid shit in the end no matter which gen you chose.
>>59091840Seriously what was up with XD's roster be8mg full of so many unevolved mons? Why do the levels start so low?
I really feel bad for zoomies, when playing this back in the day you spend thousand hours playing with bros, the main story mode was just a mean to get more pokemon in gen 3.Sadly they will never experience that.
>>59091942I played Colosseum back in the day when the only Gen III games I had were Ruby and LeafGreen, I thought it was really cool that you could catch Johto Pokémon in it and trade them over into my GBA games after beating the story but I was still always just wishing that those Pokémon were just part of Ruby from the start. I know some of them were catchable in LeafGreen but I didn't realize how scummy Game Freak was about it until I played Ruby and saw how many Pokémon were just AWOL.
>>59091997That's not surprising at all, the very first game required two games to complete the dex, it was their way to make you interact with other people.I played for years every weekend with bros.
>>59092010I didn't even know what was different with each version besides what Legendary you got to catch before the League or what color palette the game defaulted to back in the day. I think version exclusives are fine for what they incentivized back then even if playing Pokemon sorta became taboo among kids my age after Pokemania died down. It just never sat right with me how you just couldn't ever get some old Pokémon without buying a Gamecube spin-off and a special link cable.
>>59092022Gotta cash em all.
>>59091925Training the mons was even worse because every battle is a double battle so each enemy mon KO'ed gave half of what they normally would, and you constantly fought shitter mons like Sunkern, and Ledyba who gave low EXP yields so the EXP rates were even worse.It didn't help that many of those mons were ones that evolved in the late 30s or early 40s.
>>59091925Bad coordination from different aspects, in vacuums the idea of shadow pokemon hitting non shadows harder and resisting other shadow pokemon sounded fine but then you realize that it meant that enemies could sweep the player unless they were intentionally given unevolved shit and then they failed to account how most of the pokemon they selected for the roster were extremely ill fitting for the level progression in the storyline because a good chunk would only reach evo range during the last fucking dungeon of the game.
Has anyone played the Pokémon Grand Colloseum romhack? Just found out about it, it has the physical/special split, new moves, and is supposedly harder.
Pic related. /vp/ told me it was Pokemon Snap but better
>>59090283>OP is likely TamaHeroYou cant fool me.
>>59090689choosing chikorita is always the easy mode option but pokefags aren't ready for that revelation
>>59092202Meganium is great if you want the battles to take a long time.
>>59092202Chikorita is the best choice since the other two starters are outclassed by the legendary dogs, there's no grass dog so it's better.
>>59090656For me it's the long animations and the lack of Fake Out/Follow Me users
>>59092202I want to confirm a theory, post your flag.
>>59093408"everyone I disagree with is le heckin Indian and Jewish"
>>59093668I was going to call you canadian but you're probably right
>>59092202Not even close, but it doesn't matter since Johto is a joke of a region and the other 2 starters aren't really that great to begin with.
>>59094309Because game freak intentionally made johto mons shit to get people to hate them because they wanted Gen 2 to flop so that they wouldn’t have to make Pokémon anymore and could make loli rape games instead. Genius Sorority wasnt told to use Johtomons but not allowed to make the worth anything
>>59090283Sorry that you're shit at Pokemon. Maybe go back to playing SV?
>>59090283>What's the worst pokemon spinoff /vp/ has tricked you into playing?Even back in 2004 I could tell Colosseum was a lesser game than the mainline ones. The world was tiny, the maps and characters were rough and ugly. The areas were non-interactive, the Stadium-like animations dragged down the pace of the battling and made battles take forever.The whole game being double battles is an interesting concept, but the most attention Colosseum gets nowadays is people cherry picking the battle animations while conveniently ignoring the game its attached too.
Holy fuck I want to cave the skulls of every stupid dick that's posted itt You can't be this fucking dumbYou can't be this retarded???Colosseum has the following things that NO GAME FREAK KUSOGE HAS EVER DONE and it did it as a fucking cheap spinoff 25 years ago:>beautiful, memorable music>incredible world design with iconic areas>actually tries to add some mystery and grit to the Pokemon world>Orre worldbuilding mogs anything GF has done since Johto >meaty attack animations that you FEEL>incredibly soulful Pokemon animations and an attempt at scaling the models>interesting unique character designs that people still love today>has actual dungeons with taxing trainer gauntlets and limited items to find and heal with >actually tries to give NPCs some sort of strategy rather than having fights as an afterthought>Acceptable, modern graphics for a game made quickly and relatively cheaply>Makes real progress at making the game challenging by forcing the player to use Pokemon they may normally ignore>Actually requires you to train your Pokemon with care in order to purify then, unlike XD and the auto chamber
>>59092945No. The easiest way is to just feed everything into Espeon/Typhlosion and then flute up Suicune.
>>59094468>autistic sperg crashes out because non-autistic people can't into her favowite childhoods pogeymans game 5evarCongratulations, you've experienced something few children ever get to experience - first hand experience as to why the world at large ignored something 21 years prior.
>>59094523>crashes outYou're zoomer trash, nothing you say means anything to anyone.>sales = qualityIf it wasn't apparent, you're fucking retarded
Colosseum and XD are not challenging. You're using shitmons to deal with other shitmons but the latter have worse moves, worse AI and no EVs.
>>59094568I'm 42 years old mate. Which is why I find it hilarious kids sperging out because people aren't eating spin-off slop up the same way (You) ate the spin-off slop up as a retard child 20+ years ago. Sales = public interest and people cared LESS about Gale, because it was a colo copy/paste (colo had a BIT more interest, as it was a new title and the first pokémon console game. But that evaporated when it turned out to be what it was) when they didn't actually care for more of the same (the fact reviews stressed they weren't the Game Freak games and if people really wanted that type of play to just go play the GBA games was another factor in crimping its potentiality). Again, sorry you're so mad at the world shitting on your youth, but they shat on it in the era too, you just didn't see due to being an aforementioned retard child too young to be reading video game magazines and buying a DSL upgraded internet package in 2005 like I was.
>>59094587NOBODY CARED ABOUT XD BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE LAST GAMES FOR A FAILURE OF A CONSOLEHOLY FUCK YOU OLD SACK OF SHITTHINK FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFECOLOSSEUM SOLD ALMOST 1 COPY PER GAMECUBETHAT SHIT WAS DEAD NOBODY WAS BUYING ONE FOR SPINOFF POKEMONNOBODY WAS BUYING SPINOFF POKEMON IN 2005 FOR THE GAMECUBE DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL???2005=Pokemon's lowest point, ever, in America. Nothing sold, nothing was new, nobody gave a fuck2005=The GameCube's lowest point, nobody bought that shit anyway, now the 360 was out and Revolution was teased. Nobody was buying software for this dead machine.Nintendo World Store in NYC literally had cases of the special GameCube skin that was meant as an XD preorder bonus sitting around unused, they gave them away with any purchase for three months afterwards.
>>59094435I like Pokemon combat being slapped into what feels like a budget turn of the millenium JRPG.
>>59094611For it to sell "almost 1 copy per Gamecube", it would have to OUTSOLD RS's GBA performance entirely. What actually happened was it sold in a 1:9 ratio, meaning just over 10% of all CG owners bought it. Less impressive when you consider the total CG sales and the fact RS alone sold 16.22m GBA's for people to play the new Gen. No-one gave a fuck for it, because no-one cared for any pokémon game NOT made by Game Freak. Not because it appeared on a dying console to dupe retarded kids into forcing a GC sale as a hail mary to SAVE the gamecube.
>>59095406Nobody gave a fuck about any Pokemon game in the 2000s outside Japan. This was the dark era for the franchise when Pokemania fans dropped it for being kiddy shit or too different, and little kids barely stuck with it because they would be bullied for it. Same with Nintendo in general, that's why the GameCube flopped. Nobody wanted to buy a spinoff on a flop console when they could buy something great by Square on PS2 for the same money. Especially when the conceit of Colosseum was the "Link it Up!" campaign; no bones were made about it's position as a way to acquire Pokemon that weren't in Hoenn.That doesn't mean it was an abject failure whatsoever, again, sales are not indicative of quality (or are you going to insist some garbage like Halo is a better game?). It sold well for having no budget, on a dead console. If one in every 9 Cube owners had a copy, that makes it near ubiquitous. It's a great game, well made and thoughtful, presented in a high-quality way, with some of the best ideas this stale franchise has ever seen.
>>59090920I had the first Ranger as a kid but have almost no recollection of it now. You're making me want to replay it.
>>59095453And yet 14m more people cared about RS than about some shitty in-name-only pokémon game while /vp/ monkeys desperately try to tell me because mummy spent silly money on a gamecube when the xbox and playstations were there being actual games consoles for them 22 years ago the game was worth a fuck. Try to tell me it was just "misunderstood" and not in fact it was a low-effort embarrassment of a game put out on a system that was already suffering a distinct lack of phenomenal games to play when I know THAT was the perception from the general public.Don't worry baba, ALL the spin-off slop that doesn't have Game Freak directing and writing it gets treated the same. Your childhood was no different to an unovatard's.
>>59095485You are such a seething little bitch holy shit lmaoThey are great games and they're better than anything Game Freak has done in decades. Your crying doesn't matter.Keep being a retard and talking about what the (retarded) general audiences thought a quarter century ago, as if that matters.
>projectionI'm not the one malding in-thread because people are shitting on her childhood lad. But all they're doing is offering insight as to why its only you autistic shitbags who liked it in the first place.
>>59090920Dangerously based, Tama's not gonna like this!
>>59093408Post your hands first.
>>59095453Halo kinda goated thoughbeit
