Your daily reminder that Masuda was the only thing holding Pokemon together
>>59090346>centro
>>59090346>Didn't direct Platinum>Didn't direct B2&W2>His behavior lead to the shit show that is X&YWhat exactly was he holding together?
>>58810399"We removed Azure Flute because it's too hard for kids""BW1 is a circle because it's too hard for kids""We made XY for babies because kids these days play with smartphone""We removed BF because kids these days play with smartphone""Don't expect much for Sun and Moon, making games is hard""We had to dexcut to make better animations, making games is hard""We don't make difficulty options because we think players can decide the difficulty for themselves"Also imagine making a game about morality of Pokeballs only to later say "I think it’s safe to say that it’s very comfortable inside of a Pokeball, it’s a very comfortable environment. Maybe the equivalent of a high-end suite room in a fancy hotel"Pokémon died after gen 2.
>>59090346>unironically using centro as a sourcethis board is filled with retarded leddit tourists
They hated him because he told the truth
Don't care and it doesn't matter, you will keep buying these garbage sub-mobileshit games no matter who makes them.
>>59090414>"We removed Azure Flute because it's too hard for kids"That wasn't the actual reason obviously. The Japanese versions of DP had a surf glitch that let you catch mysticals without their event items, so TPC just started directly distributing the pokemon at movie theaters so that the non-cheaters wouldn't get mad. Once the Arceus movie came out, they had to do the same thing for consistency, but it wouldn't make sense to require an item for Platinum but not for DP, so they got rid of the Azure Flute.Obviously they weren't going to admit that the reason they this was because their games had glitches. Hence, the "too hard for kids" excuse>"BW1 is a circle because it's too hard for kids"I really don't understand this criticism from Gen 5 haters. No Pokemon map is complex. The circle is fine. >"We made XY for babies because kids these days play with smartphone"Yeah XY are the worst games in the series>"We removed BF because kids these days play with smartphone"Every game from Gens III to VIII have a competitive post game (Tower, Frontier, Tree, Maison, etc.). It sucks that SV don't have them, but that's a pretty recent development not "Pokemon died after gen 2">"Don't expect much for Sun and Moon, making games is hard"A stupid thing to say, but this is taken out of context. He was taking about the transition to the switch and how fans at gaming conferences had wild expectations because of the jump. I'm not going to try too hard to defend this though.>"We had to dexcut to make better animations, making games is hard"They were lying, but the Dexcut was good. It had to happen at some point. Better sooner rather than later. Dexit helps curb powercreep because they can try to balance the game (read: VGC) around a more manageable number of pokemon
>>59090525>"We don't make difficulty options because we think players can decide the difficulty for themselves"This sucks, but the only pokemon games to ever have a difficulty toggle was Gen 5, so I'm not sure what your point could possibly be except "Gen 5 is the best">Also imagine making a game about morality of Pokeballs...Black and White don't actually address this. They wrote themselves into a corner because Pokemon is a game about making animals fight. The writers' solution was to handwaive the question away by just saying that N was groomed and that the protagonist is a really cool guy who loves his pokemon. I like Gen 5, but let's not pretend that they took some dark and gritty stance about pokeballs.Also, what did you expect them to say? "Pokeballs are hell"?
>>59090414The "le games are too easy" crowd always goes slient when you remind them that the hardest non-postgame is in BDSP
>>59090564The game where you over-level everything just by fighting all of the rando trainers and get a billion affection boosts?>but cynthiaSo, the battle against the final boss of the game is moderately difficult?No shit.
>>59090591Overleveling is a choice. Just don't do itEven with the shitty affection mechanics, the BDSP E4 is harder than any other game's elite 4
>>59090617>just don't play the game as it was intended to be played
>>59090629The game was not intended for you to hunt down and battle every NPC like a retard
>>59090531Gen 5 really was the best huh
>>59090531>but the only pokemon games to ever have a difficulty toggle was Gen 5,You mean the one that made the already easy game even easier?
>>59090643The Challenge Mode that had smarter AI, more Pokemon on enemy teams, higher levels, and gave enemies almost perfect IVsOf course, you knew what I was talking about. You irrationally hate Gen 5 for some reason.
>>59090659That still made the game easier because it’s glitched and they didn’t bother playtesting it? Yeah that one
>>59090635It literally was.Post-game is only unlocked when you see everything in the Regional Dex.How are you supposed to do that if you don't fight the rando trainers?May as well do it while I'm actually playing through the game than having to look it up later.>>59090643That was Gen 6+ with the EXP Share.
>>59090670This would only make sense if every trainer had unique Pokemon or if those Pokemon were somehow unique to those trainers. No, there's no reason to fight every bug catcher in Eterna Forest. >>59090668Of course you don't know how the damage formula works. The stats stayed the same, but the level is still used at the end of the formula, so the damage goes up. Not to mention the improved AI, additional Pokemon, and near-perfect IVs
improved ai is a meme btw
>>59090686>The stats stayed the same, but the level is still used at the end of the formula, so the damage goes upWhich is utterly irrelevant when you’re 10 levels higher and fighting something with worse stats.
>>59090700>you’re 10 levels higherDon't over level then? Yeah, every Pokemon game is easy if you let your starter get to level 100
>>59090525>I really don't understand this criticism from Gen 5 haters. No Pokemon map is complex. The circle is fine.I don't hate Gen 5, i hate wasted potential caused by Masuda's design
>>59090717nta but I don't see the problem here
>>59090730Nooooo, you don't understand!!! All regions should look like picrel
>>59090730Seeing the feedback from kids getting lost, the logical move should've been adding NPCs or map markers to guide them, not nuking exploration complexity entirely. Yeah, the dungeons are still there, but BW1 Unova feels artificial
>>59090736Is that the Abyssal Ruins?
>>59090717>>59090747I don't believe Masuda's "the kids were confused" lie, but I don't have an issue with the design. It's very artificial, but so is Manhattan (it's a grid).The factors that matter to me for map design are just1. Are the locations interesting2. Is travel convenient (some gens have really fucking stupid locations you can't fly to)3. Are there enough locationsThe shape really doesn't matter much
>>59090751Haha I forgot how much of a labyrinth the AR were. No, that's just a random pencil maze
>>59090408This post implies even where he wasn't directly credited he was still working behind the scenes its more than likely he codirected the 3rd versions to align with his vision for each game
>>59090346...And given where Pokemon went after RGBY, it would have been better in the long run if the franchise died a dog's death due to the incompetence of its own makers.Maybe Nintendo would've actually offered to buy the franchise off of them fulltime, and the series would be actually good because it wouldn't be in the hand of utter retards.
>>59090714it’s not my fault if the difficulty mode is so poorly balanced that it overlevels me.
>>59090516>e;r in the big 2026
>>59090564BDSP is piss easy tier. >gamebreaking affection boosts just by playing the game>fairies, and Platinum dex mons, neither of which DP's trainers were balanced around>wild mons get copy paste powercreep SWSH level up pools >free battle items like leftovers over the course of the game>enemy AI is still as bad as it was 20 years agoYou have to be both retarded and deliberately handicapping yourself to even find BDSP more difficult than XY.
>>59090617Why is Pokemon the only RPG where I have to worry that I'm gonna be severely overleveled unless I intentionally skip as many enemies as I possibly can?
>>59091657Because it's an RPG for sperm cells who've never played a videogame before.
>>59091558And yet it’s still harder than DPPt.
>>59091657Because Pokemon is the only game where you pretend the tutorial campaign is the main game and not the online aspect of it.
>>59090414>ORAS is bad for not having the Battle Frontier but Pokemon died after gen 2 before the Battle Frontier was even invented
>>59091657Because Pokémon is the only RPG where you pretend the game is only a tutorial and that the PVP (which will die when the new game comes out) in the real game.
>>59091679Correct
>>59090346We should have just let him put bugs in Joe's ass in peace.
>>59090525>curb powrcreepThe Dexcut happened in the game that introduced Zacian, mind you. >B-but they were only able to nerf it later due to DexitIf balance was a reason then Zacian wouldn't have released like that in the first place. And they were able to nerf obviously broken abilities, see Gale Wings, before Dexit as well.
>>59091667compniggers are the worst people in existence and it always brings a smile to me that they always get shat on violentlychampions being some mtx hellhole was one of the better days I've had in a while
>>59091962online =/= compnice vent though watch ur bloodpressure fatso
>>59091968>projecting this hardlmao
>>59090659They have perfect IVs and higher levels, yesBut did you know that their underlying stats are unchanged? A level 50 Golem would have the same ATK has a level 53 Golem, despite the higher level and maxed IVs.I assume you didn't know that, otherwise you wouldn't sound so smug and retarded
>>59090659>You irrationally hate Gen 5 for some reason.all hatred of gen 5 is rational because it's what lead to pokemon being what it is today
>>59090686Each level is 2.4% more power. However many levels Challenge mode adds, multiply by that. So, what, a move that does 80 damage now does 85? I'm gonna shit myself
>>59092000>hatred of gen 5 is what lead to pokemon being what it is todayMore accurate.But I guess you love the slop as long as it tugs on empty nostalgia.
>>59092056Slop is the only word you can say.
>>59092059Slop is the best word to describe the Switch era.They're inoffensive, but incredibility boring.
>>59092056>Charizard bridge is good,it's not empty nostalgia pandering!
>>59092088>one minor npc talking about charlizard is the same as giving it a new form every gen from gens 6-8 and making it the gen 8 champion's ace for no reasonSo you dislike the pandering now?
>>59092106Of course, "Gen V led to what Pokémon is today" should make it blatantly obvious. Defending Charizard bridge, which was in Unova for no reason besides pandering, leads to Leon's Giga Charizard.
>>59091558>gamebreaking affection boosts just by playing the gameValid>fairies, and Platinum dex mons, neither of which DP's trainers were balanced aroundIt's really not a problem>wild mons get copy paste powercreep SWSH level up pools Your complain is seriously that the pokemon have updated learnsets? If they didn't do that, you'd complain that they didn't update the learnsets.>free battle items like leftovers over the course of the gameYou can also get unlimited leftovers in Platinum from wild Munchlax. BDSP only has 2 leftovers in the over-world. This is a good thing.>enemy AI is still as bad as it was 20 years agoNot true>XY is harderOh, it was my mistake for assuming you were being serious.
>>59091937I didn't say that dexit happened BECAUSE they wanted to balance the game.I said dexit is required TO balance the game.Pokemon balance gets shittier every generation, but that's not because of dexit.
>>59091990This has been addressed retard. See >>59090686
>>59092088>>59092106Gen 2 was an entire Generation dedicated to pandering, so the franchise was doomed from the start
>>59092369So basically we both agree Dexit had no impact on the balance. How is it a good thing if GF doesn't actually deliver on it?
>>59092369You can have banlists in PVP and still have the 'mons usable in the main game.That's what they already do for Boxart Legends and Mythicals.
>>59092394My point is that it's something they would have had to do. Now, obviously, Game Freak is incompetent. I just think we disagree on why and how that manifests itself. Dexit is needed because if you have thousands of Pokemon at once, you won't ever be able to balance the game around all of them in a way that will work. So eventually, you'll just get really annoying VGC ban lists or an extremely power-crept metagame where only a tiny portion of Pokemon are worth using. We're not actually at the point yet in terms of dex size where they would need to do this (if they weren't lazy shits), but I'd rather it happen sooner rather than later. Of course, they are lazy shits, so it's even more important that it happened sooner rather than later, so that they could even consider starting to balance the game. In short, I'm not saying that Game Freak is doing something good, but that, rather, if they wanted to do something good, they would have to do dexit anyway. Kind of like how if a fat fuck buys a salad but never eats it, he's not really doing himself any good, but if he wanted to do himself some good, it would involve buying a salad at some point.
>>59092420>>59092420Those ban lists would get huge, and they also wouldn't be as straightforward as just "ban mysticals because it's not fair to players who can't access them and ban the few box legendaries because they're super strong." They would have to start treating it like the Smogon council does, and we know the Pokemon company is not going to put in that level of effort. Not to mention people hate the Smogon tiering councils anyway, so that would just create more bullshit. Also, it's not just about which Pokemon are too strong, it's about which Pokemon are too weak. It leads to Pokemon becoming less competitively viable year after year and never getting any attention or added abilities. The Pokemon company hasn't been great about buffing old mons, but they do actually do it. A good example of this are hidden abilities. Another good example of this are the few stat changes that have happened throughout the series. That's just not gonna happen if the dex is massive.
>>59092088It can be both.
>>59093422Based and the-red-fight-in-gs-was-fucking-awesome-actually-pilled
>>59092442Every generation the first reg is “only pokemon available in the regional pokedex”. It’s literally all you have to do to limit the mon pool. Only mons that can be caught/found in this game. Only mons that can be caught/found in this game and DLC. They do those kinds of rulesets all the time.
>>59092436It’s not. The thing Gamefreak has to do to balance the game (besides actually trying to balance it, which they only barely do) is to be comfortable with retconning. This is the real issue and has been for a long time and they’ve only recently gotten good about it.Go back and change stats. Change typings. Change move learnsets (and ban mons from comp with learnsets unavailable in the current game). Change how moves and abilities work, how much damage they do, their accuracy, their PP.It’s only recently that Gamefreak have bothered. In the early days, you got Leafeon by evolving Eevee near a specific rock, because using the leaf stone on it would require addressing why that didn’t work in prior generations when you had access to Eevee and leaf stones. There was a desperation for continuity that made it impossible to change things that were obviously overtuned.
>>59094349The only reason why they changed the leaf rock thing is because they’re too lazy to make sure that rock is in every game and they can’t Dexit Eevee for obvious reasons. They won’t ever retconned stats or typings on any major way because some Pokémon being broken and others being worthless doesn’t require any work from then, it anything they like it that way since they hate some Pokemon and having shilllmons be broken makes it easier for NPCs to know which pokemon they’re supposed to like
>>59094336Yeah, but then they expand it past the regionals in the next regulation
>>59094372By that time they should know which 'mons are busted and ban them accordingly.It can't be fixed completely overnight, but baby steps are better than no steps.
>>59090357I remember Roaring Moon saying something about him. What did he say again?
Have you considered that it was actually Sugimori
>>59090346That's a funny way of saying "ruined the franchise". You fucking bootlickers, I swear to god.
>>59094948Sugimori drew pictures, he didn't plan shit.
