>Battles give out 200 VP>it costs 250 VP just to change a moveChampions basically punishes you for not playing mainline games and having a stockpile of comp ready Pokemon locked and loaded.Anyone who thinks they can just hop in unprepared like it's Showdown is going to get turbofucked
You're punished either way because home already resets their stats
The real question is can you change natuit's? abilities, evs, and ivs?
>>59091020>Anon is blind
>>59091005>Champions basically punishes you for not playing mainline games and having a stockpile of comp ready Pokemon locked and loaded.Idiot, Champions is going to nullify your Home transfers to a default state because it runs on entirely different systems.EVs are different, IVs are all-31 no matter what, and movesets have been getting refreshed to default level-up moves between titles for awhile now so GameFreak doesn't have to worry about obscure one-region-only event distributions like Wish Chansey still being a relevant meta set.
>>59091147Pokemon you send from other games aren't reset, moves can transfer over if they learn it in Champions
>>59091005>Can't even pick which pokemon you want>Have to pick from a random pool of pokemonThis shit is DoA. Nobody is using it over showdown
>>59091267That's only fi you aren't transferring from HOME. You can get up and running very quickly and score plenty of easy wins assuming you have a stash of meta mons who are usable in SV or LZA.Stadium pulled its own "you gotta bring your own guys" incentive by making most of its rentals pure dogshit, and since the rentals in Champions are totally modular, they have to lock them behind RNG pools and Battle Passes to encourage transferring from mainline titles via HOME
So it's confirmed no PP maxing? We're stuck with 5 PP for the high power moves?
>>59091267They're just Rentals with extra steps.You're allowed to transfer 'mons from the other games if they're legal in the current format.
>>59091005>>>>>>>>>VPThey're stealing from us? we're /vp/
>>59091005You're going to have your EVs reset, so you're paying a bunch no matter whatI assume there will be daily events and whatnot to grind points withAlso low ELO is going to be a clownfest of Timmies and my coworker Mark playing VGC for the very first time with their just recruited Flareon or somethingBut yes, having a bunch of "base" pokémon ready in Home is plain better
>>59091016Nope. The stat buffs applies in Champs will still be recognized when you bring a mon back into Champs, even if you bring it to another game. The only exception is form changes. If you change form, then you lose those Champsspecific buffs, so if you're going to use VP on stat points then it now pays to keep multiple mons for each form. And then keep them locked to that specific form for all eternity. Multiple Calyrex, Ursaluna, Rotom etc.
>>59091356>Ursalunaursaluna doesnt change form
>>59091362Oh, you don't know about the new item yet?
>>59091356Lol more data stored on the min which lowers compatibility.
>>59091147>IVs are all-31 no matter whatTrick room sisters…
>>59091005>Anyone who thinks they can just hop in unprepared like it's Showdown is going to get turbofuckedNot news
>>59091857Does this really change much though2 slow pokemon were gonna be 0 IV anyway so both being 31 is still the same effect, literally the only downside is against like swagger and foul play
>>59092163Torkel doesn't run 0 Ivs for speed since it can outspeed yes OUTSPEED other with like i think it's 11ivs.
>>59091366what
>OH NO I NEED TO FARM FOR LIKE 10 HOURS TO UNLOCK EVERYTHING FOREVER WHAT EVER WILL I DO
>>59091005>Anyone who thinks they can just hop in unprepared like it's Showdown is going to pay big $$$Fixed that for you.
>>59092484>golduck used ice beam!
>>59091283If true, this is so incredibly based
>>59092899Rayquaza wins that btw
>>59091005Even if you transfer, EVs are reset. So you need to play 1 battle per stat, per Pokemon.
>>59092957I'm pretty sure IVs are the fucky ones and not EVs, maybe I've missed something
>>59092942nope
>>59092974Anon in what universe is Rayquaza not outspeeding and OHKOing
>>59092975>what is sash
>>59092991>double battles only
>>59092965IVs are ignored, EVs are reset. It's to make it fair to Gofags.
>>59092957>Even if you transfer, EVs are reset>>59093004>IVs are ignored, EVs are resetwhat's the source on thati've been hearing people say it a lot but i've never seen any actual proof
>>59093022For IVs people are assuming they’re gone because they’ve shown off the EV system (as shown by >>59091267), but there has been absolutely nothing shown on Bottle Caps or other IV mechanics. There is a chance they’re still in but given we’ve seen nothing it’s a reasonable assumption they’re gone or set to 0/31 for all stats on all Pokemon. Not sure where people are getting their info from on EVs being reset though.
I thought this game was gonna have tera and dynamax?
>>59093057we know megas and teras will be in at launch, and the website suggests the other mechanics will be added laterhttps://champions.pokemon.com/en-us/gameplay/"The protagonists of this title wear a device called an Omni Ring, an item necessary for Mega Evolution. It’s similar to the Mega Rings in the Pokémon video game series. Other special features may be added to the Omni Ring in the future!Research is being conducted to make the Omni Ring capable of drawing out a variety of Pokémon capabilities."
>>59091267So this is a level 50 Modest Gardevoir with>HP EVs: 12-19>Sp. Atk EVs: 252-255>Sp. Def EVs: 252-255And 31 IVs in each stat. That means it has 516 EVs at minimum. So now it looks like EVs are a total of 136 additional stat points you allocate, with individual stats having a maximum of 66 points. This is compared to the 510 cap which had a maximum 127 points to be distributed.
>>59093022The EV limits are different in Champions.
>>59093124theyre just the level 50 system not 100
>>59093137Read >>59093101
>>59091005>MUH VP GRIND!>B-BUT ONLY 200 PER BATTLE!You faggots forgetting this is a mobile game? The majority of your currency will come from missions, dailies, weeklies, events, celebrations, and ranked ladder rewards. Getting a few extra VP per battle is basically just a bonus.
>>59091857This is a Trick Room buff, not a nerf. Now you don't need to worry about injecting legal legendaries for TR teams and can just catch whatever in game.
>>59091267I GUARANTEE that there will be a more expensive version of recruit for legendary/mythical/event pokemon. They'll even be time limited tooThere's no way you're getting legendaries from this, it will be it's own special system which costs a ton more
>>59092975You can train Golduck to take an Adamant Dragon Ascent. I know this because my friend brought Golduck to a regional back in XY.
>>59093066dynamax will be added after legends: darkest day, z moves after legends: dusk and dawn
>>59091005This is probably a dumb question, but I haven't been keeping up with any of the Champions stuff.Can I just use an already trained pokemon instead of fucking with the in-Champions EV training?
didn't watch the direct, is there a stamina system or you can just keep battling to farm points? because if it's the latter then there's no issue and you could potentially play without owning any of the recent mainline games (which is what I hope to do) and recruit new mons from the pool
>>59092163It changes a ton. 0IV being available means the range of possible speed stats can be lower. Mons you normally would not underspeed even with minimal investment, you CAN underspeed (thus outspeed in trick room) with 0IV speed>>59091147IVs are all 30, not 31. It’s a slightly odd system. Well, it’s actually a much more sensible system, the odd-numbered IV system was a holdover from binary counting rules and made for ugly ass math. But the new method is default 30IV and 256 max EV, not 31IV and 255 max EV.
>>59093101The max number of stat points at level 50 is actually the same IF you invest in all your stats. In the mainline games you get a minor stat point nerf for minmaxing due to how stat points are calculated.An IV is equivalent to 2 EVs, and you need 4 EVs for a point (at 50). If you have 31IVs, because you have an odd number of IVs, the first additional stat point on a stat only costs 2EV, not 4. So if you invest 12 EVs by putting 2 into each stat, you get 6 stat points out of it. If you invest 12 EVs by putting 6 in one stat and 6 in another, you get 4 stat points out of it.Champions sets all IVs to 30. This means that each additional stat point (4EV “chunk”) has uniform value, the first one isn’t a half-off. You are given additional stat points to spend so that if you invest in all your stats, you can reach the same total number of additional points as under the old 31 system, and the per-stat caps are such that the max value you reach is the same as the old 31 system. The only change is IF you’re minmaxing 2 stats, instead of one stat point to spend at the end, you’re left with 2. That’s it.The real mechanical differences are the inability to reduce IVs and increase PP.
>>59094175Nobody knows for sure but probably not. The IV/EV system is different and they’ve already said that changes made to mons in champions don’t transfer back to Home so they aren’t considering it truly equivalent.Maybe an effort will be made to default it to its existing nature and EV spread. We can hope that they would try. But since it isn’t 1:1 correspondence there’s no guarantee of it
>>59094401>changes made to mons in champions don’t transfer back to Home so they aren’t considering it truly equivalent.Where tf has this been said
>>59094405Official website (it might only be the jap version, that has more details). The way it works is mons “visit” from Home. You train them in Champions but that only applies to Champions; changes to moves, stats, etc., don’t carry over when you send them back. If they return from Home to Champions, the training you already did on them is remembered IN Champions, unless they form changed (Rotom, I guess maybe Deoxys? etc) which resets them. Presumably because Champions internally treats that as a new Pokemon
>>59092484Time is more valuable than money.
>>59093906>missions, dailies, weeklies, events, celebrations, and ranked ladder rewards.... this is a selling point? God phonoids are so buckbroken it's unreal
>>59094414Anon is more so saying that there will be a bunch of ways to earn VP so there is no point in retards freaking out thinking they need to grind a million battles.
>>59094395Sorry I’m retarded, it’s actually 8EVs per stat point at 50 and an IV is worth 4EVs. The basic math is still the same I just scaled it wrong. Point is, at level 50, 30IV and 31IV are the same on an uninvested stat, it just makes the investment SLIGHTLY cheaper for the first stat point you invest. So the per stat caps have been changed to enable you to hit the old maximums without the free half-point from a 31IV, and the total points to spend are such that you get the max total points (from investing in 5 or 6 stats), which leaves one free additional point in cases where you max two stats. But that way all stat points are nice and clean, point-for-point investment with no fuckery.
>>59094414That's not "selling point", retardino. It's just how these games work. Obviously details depends on how generous Champions will be with freebies, but it's a system that allows majority to play the game while whales that just want to look cool on social media will fund the entire game.>eww but grind!Grind is literally playing the game.
>you can re-roll the champions mons every 22 hours, you can spend tickets to reduce the cooldown by 1 hour>you can rent those pokemon for free>if you want to keep them you need to spend a different ticket that you get through dailies/missions (or I guess the cash shop)having experienced gachas and other free-to-start mobile games as a free player I am kinda worried they will heavily monetize gathering pokemon in this game.it will be much easier to just breed/train the pokemon inside a mainline game and transfer it unless you're stingy and are happy with playing with the same team over and over
>>59094432The only thing about the game that sucks ass is the “visit from Home” thing. If you could permanently transfer mons to Champions, it’d be fine>acquire assloads of Pokemon in Pokemon Go for free>move to free Pokemon Home account>move to ChampionsBut no, they “visit” from Home, so you get hard limited by how many Home slots you have.
>>59094432>they will heavily monetize gathering pokemon in this game.Of course. They don't want to make it easier than just buying the console games.
>>59094439>Pokemon GoYou are part of the problem.
>>59094439can't you keep them in champions as long as you want?
>>59094454I don’t play Go at all. I probably would play Go IF it had actual Pokemon battling and not whatever the fuck bullshit it has. Champions would have been the only reason for me to play Go.
>>59094455The wording on Home transfers is odd because they are "visiting" Champions instead of being "transferred". We don't know if they still occupy a box slot in Home while they are in Champions.So while it sounds like you could keep them in Champions as long as you want, we aren't sure if you will be limited to 30 Home mons if you don't have a sub.
>>59094455Don’t know for sure, but I assume not. I assume the wording of “visit” implies you only have them while they’re in Home. Obviously the data synchronization isn’t magic, but I’d guess>send to visit Champions>release/transfer out of Homeonly works until the next time you go to send a mon to visit Champions at which point it realizes your currently visiting mon is unavailable and pulls it. Otherwise, why use the “visit” logic at all? Why not just>if you have a pokemon in Home, it will be unlocked in ChampionsObviously the intention is for it to be “the same Pokemon” and unavailable if transferred elsewhere.Incidentally, I don’t think we’ve seen any confirmation of having multiple of the same Pokemon in Champions.
>>59091005its a good thing its stupidly easy to grind out comp mons in scarlet/violet thenwhat's that? you didn't play scarlet/violet? well fuck you then
>>59094503It’s also easy in Swsh and ZA like just play the game nigga
>>59094405>Training underwent in Pokémon Champions won't carry over to Pokémon Home
>>59091005This seems like an overreaction it takes like 30 games to fully customize an entire team that's hardly anything for a freemium game and especially one where battles last what? 5-10 minutes?
>>59094561>it takes like 30 games to fully customize an entire teamThat's a lot of games when you don't have a fucking team though. Could you imagine that logic applied to any other competitive game? Like imagine playing CS2 but you could only use pistol until you had played 30 matches. You aren't going to be able to have any fun playing on the damn ladder when you don't have a team in the first fucking place, so what this ultimately means is most of your time is going to be spent playing throwaway matches with "recruit for 1 day 0VP" dailies in a bid to get some actual fucking pokemon to play the game with.Which I guess isn't actually THAT terrible, it just feels weird. It's like you have to play 2 dozen daily battles with a randbats team to unlock team building. People love randbats, randbats is super popular, so it may wind up being okay, but it's odd that you have to do it. It seems contrary to the whole point of the game.
>>59094572>That's a lot of games when you don't have a fucking team thoughThe game is obviously gonna start you off with enough currency to make a full team from the beginning. ALL phone games overload you with freebie currency when you first start.
>>59094575A full team of what? A full team of the 6 random pokemon you get in your daily shuffle? Remember, recruiting can only be done to a very limited set of random rotated daily mons. You don't get to go to the Pokemon store and browse the aisles looking for the 6 you want, that would be too much fun.The trial recruitment seems like it's the intended way to play outside of serious long-term teambuilding (like for tournaments). You're meant to dick around with random rentals every day until you find one that you like and SLOWLY piece a team together that way.
>poorfags and mobilekiddies worried about the VP grind>meanwhile I have an army of shiny battle-ready mons sitting in Home fully prepared to rape the first ranked ladder in Champions
>>59094610>battle readyEVs ain’t carrying over my dude
>>59094508I have sooooo many comp teams in SwSh, its piss easy to make comp mons in that game
>>59091267Showdown is getting shut down the moment Shitendo sees Chumpions cant compete
>>59094640Keep dreaming, bootlicker.
>>59094640Showdown doesn't do the same thing as Champions at all. Showdown is a tool for playing randbats on a limited roster with half of the game mechanics banned, not a tool for offical competitive doubles. Nobody is playing VGC on Showdown, comparatively.
>>59094613Changes you make to EVs and movesets in Champions aren’t saved to mainline but imported EVs and movesets stay the same
>>59094682Maybe. It's unclear because EV calcs are different in Champions, at best it will do a rough estimation.
>imported EVs stay the sameEVs work differently now so I doubt it.
I don't think they're going to tell every player that they now need have to re-grind EVs in Champions for official competitions, and zero-out them out on all of their competitive teams.
>>59094842Why not? They tell every player they need to do that in the real games.
>>59094842They functionally already have.>At the Indianapolis Pokémon Regional Championships, the new Regulation M-A will go into effect.>For detailed info on Regulation M-A, please refer to the in-game announcement regarding the format that will be released after the launch of Pokémon Champions.In other words, the tournament mon availability/legality list will be announced when the fucking game goes live. Everyone will have to design and train their teams at that point anyway. No existing teams can be counted on regardless.
