>Mega Emboar DOA>Mega Dragonite DOAReality is often disappointing
>>59095498>Multiscale>One of the best abilities in the game>Dragonite now having the option to have both Inner Focus and Multiscale on turn 1 depending on if you click Mega or not>DOA
>>59095506...why would you care about Inner focus when Mega Dragonite is a special attacker
>>59095512so you cant get faked out?
>>59095506Because you're better off with base dragonite + an item and using a mega stone on something else duh
>>59095512Flinch immunity. Your opponent will be running an additional risk if they wish to use Fake Out against a Dragonite, the correct play may be to Fake Out Mega Dragonite but they may choose not to evolve on the first turn.
>>59095519So you think playing the coin flip game is better than any of the other better megas?
>>59095530oh mega dnite is absolutely doa i was just explaining why itd still appreciate inner focus. if inner focus were the megas ability thatd actually be way better, because you could stay regular turn 1 to take advantage of multiscale and get a scale shot off, then mega to become flinch immune (as opposed to having no fucking ability) for the rest of the game. it still wouldnt be *good* but itd be better than what it got. all this does is let you mega turn 1 to keep multiscale, which means you still just job to fake out
>>59095498Wait isn't Mega Dragonite the Launch Celebration free Mega?They really fucked him over just to get you to buy a good mega...
>>59095506Dragonite and its mega are too different to bother with delaying mega evolution.
>>59095506There is no point in running Mega Dragonite. Why would I waste an item and mega slot when you can use regular Dragonite? Especially with Tera?Plus if Mega Dragonite got another ability, it could hold off from using its Mega to get the benefits of Multiscale, then Mega Evolve after you no longer benefit from Multiscale and can now benefit from a more offensive ability.
>>59095528Even if the Dragonite doesn't flinch, it still loses Multiscale and isn't able to do much back on that first turn due to it being so much weaker on the special side prior to mega evolving. And if you run a mixed set, you're just cucking yourself out of EVs and making a bricked moveslot due to M-Nite losing some physical attack.
Who cares niggaEveryone is going to run Mega Salamence lol
>>59095526Yeah just like we're better off with base Scizor + an item. Oh whoops we were wrong about that and it took over a year for us to realize it.
>>59095905mega scizor doesn't lose attack lol
Meganite has god-tier bulk in both sides, High SpA, great special coverage and reliable recovery. He's not going to be bad.
>>59095905There are plenty of other Megas not worth using over the original.Mega Dragonite is one of those cases of it not being worth using over the original. You lose 10 Atk, items like Choice Band or Boots, and crucially Tera Normal.Mega Dragonite would be significantly better off with something like No Guard since it learns a ton of inaccurate moves like Hurricane, Thunder, Draco Meteor, Blizzard, Focus Blast, Fire Blast, and even physical options like Dragon Rush or Stone Edge. Maybe bring back Zap Cannon and Dynamic Punch too.At least then, it would be worth using both forms on different teams.
>>59095925its gonna get the CIR special
>>59095925>252 SpA Protean Greninja-Mega Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite-Mega: 248-294 (76.7 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKOReally doesn't mean anything when other megas are just as strongWith no boots due to holding a mega stone, you're at risk of sneaky pebbles as well. So unless you can guarantee keep those off field always then mega dragonite may as well not even have an ability. That's why multiscale works so well on base dragonite, because you avoid hazards to keep it in tact.
Mega Evolution happens before switches now
>>59095954>BootsSmogon doesn't count for shit>bring back Dynamic Punchfucking kek why? you play Smogon, they'll just ban it, they banned it already.
>>59095968I don't think that'd work because mega gengar exists. If you evolve as they try to switch you ironically make their turn do absolutely nothing. Even if you're retreatlocked from an ability like that you still need to have a valid turn
>>59095964Fully offensive invested STAB Ice Beam deals high damage to a Dragon/Flying, oh my gawd. Looking at this separated cases doesn't mean anything. Specially when Dragonite can OHKO it back with neutral STAB or could be running more useful things like bulk instead going full SpA and Speed like your EVs suggest. He also learns support moves like Tailwind and have the power and bulk to make it worth the turn.
>>59095498>froslass giving up snow cloak for snow warningOOOOH I'M GETTIN UPSET
>>59096003>NO you can't use one of the most common offensive move typesAll your suggestions work fine if not better with the original. Even down to it having inner focus so you can't get fake out while setting up tailwind If you're after a special attacker there's so many other better megas around for that Having a mega doesn't make it superior, you need to be good enough to warrant not having an item. This was a discussion with megas before. If they're really culling knock off from pokemon learnsets if it's not just incineraor. Then having actual items provides more value than before too
>>59095498Being able to relatively safely mega-evolve your powerhouse is a pretty good ability. It remains to be seem if Dragonite remains good without his pet cat though.
>>59096103Dragonite could already do that before is the thing, you stay in regular to abuse multiscale to survive a turn then you mega. It's a bit of a wasted ability to get on the mega as well, you already have a defensive start so you want to expand into something more offensive. Like how sharpedo does with speed boost or gyarados/mawile with intimidate The only time having the same ability is a benefit is with weather ones, but they've recently changed it so those aren't a benefit anymore rip (Megas activate before turn switches) so you can't use your mega to override oppose weather pokemon switching in now
>>59095974>Why would someone use No Guard Dynamic Punch?And you're the one calling other people shitters, lmao
>>59095925It's not worth running regular Dragonite.Tera Normal Extreme Speed is just way more valuable than Hurricane you can't even boost the power of.
>>59095498>Frosslass did get Snow Warning>Spic leak has been near 1:1 so farGuess Scizor is now going to be out of a job since Golisopod is probably packing Tough Claws
>>59096343Scizor is better for repeat attacks. Golisopod wants to get out of there after burning a First Impression.
>>59095498>>Mega Dragonite DOAGood Base Dragonite supremacy
>>59096343Mega scizor abused it's bulk with roost (but it lost that now)so golisopod may actually just be the better version now. it even does u-turns better
>>59095883There is no tera in this game retard.
>>59096362moveset changes are confirmed, we know incineroar lost knock off. it's possible scizor may get roost back.golisopod also can't pull off the sd > priority move sweep sets like scizor can since it has no stab on aqua jet or sucker punch and first impression is incompatible with setup.there's still room for scizor to shine.
>>59096386>Golisopod has no stab on aqua jetExplain
>>59096432Bug/Steel
>>59096432Its steel now
>>59096386I checked the calcs and yeah even with SD a mega scizor with no attack investments +2 bullet punch still beats a full investment +2 golisopod aqua jet. Sucker punch does more if you're able to hit that though>>59096432It turns bug/steel, losing water type.
Ty lads. Haven't played since Sw/Sh
What if I REALLY want to run a special attacking Mega Dragonite?
>>59095498Serebii 100% confirmed IVs are no longer a thing btwAlso moves have maximum PP like on Showdown
>>59096033>get mad over trading a bad ability for a good one
>>59095498So we can fuck around with this meta on showdown once champions comes out next month right?
>>59096507YeahThey'll probably then split it into uber/ou/uu etc afterwards once there's usage data. Would have the original(official) champions format as another options as well
>>59096500Trump Card bros...
>>59096566Trump Card got cut back in SWSH.
>>59096343>1:1Besides Froslass getting Snow Warning, what did the spic leak actually predict?All they said for Meganium and Feraligatr is that they got “new abilities” and not what they were or how they functioned.
>>59095506>Inner Focus>Can't get flinched, but can still get hit>Gets Multiscale upon Mega>Multiscale no longer functions (unless you're running a niche set where healing is factored in)It don't matter, none of this matters.
>>59096773>(unless you're running a niche set where healing is factored in)and you cant hold leftovers because you have to hold the mega stone, and cant benefit from grassy terrain because youre a flying type kek. dogshit ability
>>59095925>only 145 without any means of boosting, nor an item>lower physical attack, making it inferior to setup base DragoniteIt’s one of the most pointless megas yet. It really wanted something like Mega Sol but for rain based attacks, to capitalize on hurricane/thunder/hydro pump. Literally Mega Garchomp tier.
>>59095506>use Inner Focus to avoid getting Faked Out>Multiscale can no longer proc because HP is no longer 100%>get raped by Mega Froslass' Blizzardlol
>>59096786Even Aerilate would have been nice. Multiscale is literally nothing.
>>59096786>Literally Mega Garchomp tier.Mega chomp itself is fine as a wall breaker, i just dont see mega dragonite performing any role particularly well
>>59096786Mega chomp actually had a niche in vgc back in the day. This shit? >>59095898
>>59096773You don't get it, it's mindgames. >don't mega, they FOYou win because you don't get flinched and one of the moves you get hit by (potentially out of one) is 40 bp instead of something more substantial, so your health will be comparable to tanking a bigger attack with Multiscale>mega, they don't FOYou win double because they thought you're unflinchable so you get both a turn and a Multiscale proc>don't mega, they don't FONeutral, you got hit without Multiscale and extra defenses up but you didn't lose your turn and Dragonite is fat enough to take hits>they don't have FOYou win, just Mega for Multiscale>mega, they FOWell fug, you got outplayed, one bad outcome out of five
