Mega Evolution takes priority over switching now
>mega before switchingGive Mega Houndoom pursuit on all dark moves
>>59096038how does this work with mega gengar's shadow tag
>>59096038mega gallade stonks on the rise
>>59096046Didn't they remove pursuit outright in SwSh, like never to return they don't want it to be part of the game anymore like Hidden Power?
Good for Lopunny and GalladeBad for Metagross, Zard Y, Kangaskhan, Manectric and now FroslassOverall a positive change I would say
>>59096038Thats a nerf to Megas with weather changing abilities
>>59096038This is a nerf to all weather setting megas, you could force your weather regardless of your opponent switches since Mega Evolution happened after switching. Possible buff to Mega Gengar? How this even interacts with Shadow Tag?>>59096077Barely because it would still enter T1 without Inner Focus but it would be able to stop Intimidate from a opponent switch.
>>59096089It's a nerf to Mega Kang too
I don't like this change very much because there was a strategy behind having double Sandstorm in Ttar and Mega that's mostly lost now. Well, you still force Sandstorm against Mega Zard Y so it isn't completely gone.
>>59096038We don't technically know that. Greninja is a speedy boy; it could be that mega evolving has the SAME priority as switching (which makes sense, in a way it's you bringing in a new Pokemon) which means it activates in speed tier order.
>>59096097>>59096089>>59096083how does it nerf mega kang
>>59096110It loses Scrappy once it Mega evolves which means it can get intimidated in the same turn as it Mega Evolves if the opponent switches to a Intimidate mon.
>>59096110If you switch in an intimidate mon on the turn it megas, it loses inner focus before the switch-in and takes the intimidate.
>>59096110Scrappy in base form would have blocked an intimidate switch-in, then it megas. Now it won't
>>59096112>>59096115>>59096117You can really tell who's playing what format by whether they're presuming base Kang has Inner Focus or Scrappy.
Some leaker was saying that Staraptor would get Defiant or Contrary with Mega. Good for him, it gets the full power both Intimidate in base and Defiant/Contrary in Mega assuming it happens.
Nerf for Mega Manectric if Intimidates goes off before the opponent switched
>>59096038>>59096067>>59096077>>59096085>>59096089>>59096110>BuffGengar assuming it just bricks your opponent your doing anything. That doesn't seem correct though..Lopunny gets to ignore intimidate on the switch in mon (Scrappy)Gallade gets to ignore intimidate on the switch in mon (Inner focus)>NerfZard X drought being changed by switch in monKanga getting intimated by the switch in mon (Scrappy)Pinsir getting intimated by the switch in mon (Hyper cutter)Tyranitar sand stream being changed by switch in mon Manectric wasting intimidate on the pokemon that will soon be switched outLucario getting intimated by the switch in mon (Inner focus)Abomasnow snow warning being changed by switch in mon Metagross getting intimated by the switch in mon (Clear body)Primal groudon/kyogre getting up their weather(New) Froslass snow warning being changed by switch in mon (New) Lucario Z getting intimated by the switch in mon (Inner focus)>Indirect nerfAny regular pokemon reliant on weather wars using a mega to set it up >Trace tierAlakazam's trace is sometimes a buff or nerf. Gardevoir's trace is sometimes a buff or nerf.
>>59096038>Mega Evolution takes priority over switching nowLong time no see, /vp/
>>59096180>Gengar assuming it just bricks your opponent your doing anythingIIRC shadow tag takes a turn to activate. Like if you swap in Gothitelle and on the same turn, after Gothitelle hits the field, your opponent swaps out, I think that swap still runs. It's not until the turn completes that Shadow Tag activates.
>>59096180Lucario Z is never running Physical moves but Mega Lucario will feel the nerf. You could add Mega Meowstic (Female) in the nerf depending what happens with its Mega ability since it has Competitive in base.>Trace Overall a buff since you can control it a bit better
>>59096180>Primal groudon/kyogre getting up their weatherDoesn’t that work differently? They mega immediately as long as the have the stone at the start of battle.
>>59096180>Primal groudon/kyogre getting up their weatherThey're unaffected actually, the only way to remove their weather is if another weather trio member also uses their special weather and is slower. So overall they're unchanged, they force weather against everything outside themselves.
>>59096180>Zard X droughtZard Y has Drought. Zard X has Tough Claws.
>>59096190These guys have never played vgc and smogon bans shadow tag lol
>>59096222>meme format bans shadow tagOf course it does.
>>59096190I assume it will work like that since it wouldn't make much sense if you tried to switch, they mega evolved and you're just stuck doing absolutely nothing with your pokemon that turn. When trying to leave manually after shadow tag/magnet pull are active it tells you can't, so you still needed to do a valid move for the turn. Gengar would be unaffected by the changes if it works like before. >>59096199I brought up trace since it can go either way if the change is good or bad. Like alakazam will be able to copy the current active but it may be better to copy the switched in pokemon ability instead.Gardevoir's is more niche but still worth mentioning because certain interactions like tracing competitive for their switch in intimidate to gain +2, then mega evolving. An example off I quickly thought of >>59096210>>59096211Oh true they're automatic on switch in, my bad
>>59096121Both Inner Focus and Scrappy provide immunity to Intimidate now.
>>59096038Use cases?
>>59096244That is so fucking retarded
>>59096246Read the thread retard
>>59096180You can still switch out of the first turn of mega gengar, it won't prevent you from switching if you were able to select the option, just like shadow tag usually works on switch ins
>>59096250It's a comp change in Gen8 that you'll rarely see in-game but matters in competitive. Same as that dumbass "Dark-types are immune to Prankster" in Gen7 interaction that Showdown still has to display a warning message every time the interaction happens because it's so dumb.
>>59096253Watch your FUCKING mouth
>>59096260Die in ignorance then
>>59096244I know, but Inner Focus blocks Fake Out’s flinch which is WAY more relevant on a mon that’s gonna mega turn one. Unless you’re playing singles, where nobody uses fake out so of course you’d pick Scrappy
>>59096259From a lore POV it kinda makes sense.Dark-types tend to be sneaky, so they'd been more aware of other Pokémon's tricks.
>>59096080They could bring Pursuit back here, but probably not. They got rid of Pursuit likely because it was responsible for new game bugs so often.
>>59096273Mega Lopunny often uses Fake Out in Smogon
>>59096085Also more reason for Tyranitar and Abomasnow to not immediately activate their Mega.
>>59096286It has uses on mons that want to break sashes or stall for passive buffs/debuffs but it’s niche. In VGC fake-out is almost as meta-defining as protect, I doubt there’s a single team that’s made any kind of relevant tournament showing in years without at LEAST one fake out user (typically in the form of Incineroar), sometimes two. Fake out immunity is so obviously worthwhile, especially as a transient ability you only have for a moment. It means turn one Mega Kang is guaranteed to be able to act, without giving up its ability (PB) to have that buff.
>>59096250Why? It makes thematic sense.If a mon has strong focus, they shouldn't be broken by things like flinching or the opponent trying to be scary. If a mon has Scrappy, which ignores the opponent's ability, then Intimidate should be ignored too.
>>59096289It doubly sucks for those 2 because they force your opponent to change the weather straight away instead of after like with charizard >Tyranitar out with sand up>They swap in pelipper to set up rain>Before you'd mega the same turn and re-set up sandstorm>Now pelipper would have drought set up insteadThey really dumbed down the interactions.
>>59096316>If a mon has Scrappy, which ignores the opponent's ability, then Intimidate should be ignored too.Whoops, no, that wasn't it. My mistake.
>>59096316Scrappy doesn't ignore abilities, it makes Normal and Fighting moves hit Ghost types. But the idea is the same. They're fearless.
>>59096180>2 buffed against intimidate>5 nerfed against intimidate>1 intimidate user nerfedHe can't keep getting away with it...
>>59096300I know, I was just mentioning that if played Smogon during Gen 6 or Gen 7, you'll be familiar with Fake Out being a relevant move since Mega Lopunny was one of the best megas to use. Mega Kangaskhan also used Fake Out in Smogon while he was allowed in OU or in Gen 6 Ubers but the big difference is that Fake Out is an offensive tool for Lopunny/Kangaskhan in Smogon since it's a priority attack and also a safe way to Mega Evolve in Gen 6 where you speed is only computed the turn after Mega Evolution. In VGC, Fake Out is much more a support move where you shutdown your opponent completely or force him to protect while your partner gets a relatively free turn to act.
>>59096324He lost Knock Off.
>>59096329I don’t think he minds
>CHARIZARD Y Weather being nerfed>BaraTigerofHeathyMeta losing move Is game freak actually concerned about balance for the first time in thier lives? Or is game freak not even making this m?
>>59096085>>59096180If Mega Drampa does get Drizzle like the leaks say, how good is it, considering it has Cloud Nine as a base ability?
>>59097274I don't think Cloud Nine has any effect on this at all.
>>59097274Cloud nine doesn't remove weather, it just temporary turns it off. So it wouldn't actually do anything. Whether it's got cloud nine or not before mega doesn't matter since drizzle would then override whatever was active before. (And it would get replaced by your opponents weather if they swapped in another mon much like all the other mega weather setters)You'll almost always use sap sipper on it anyway. Especially in doubles being immune to spore on the switch in
>>59096180What the hell is this? I don't like this at all.
>>59097172They're just making the necessary changes to start dethroning the long-running kings (DLC mons need not apply of course, Urshifu, Ogerpon, Rider Calyrexes and Terapagos are still poised to be some real bastards until further notice) so their blatant powercreep pace doesn't become even more obscene with the inevitable additions from Winds & Waves.
>>59096180Charizard Y has STAB Hurricane to punish anybody that sets up Rain in front of it, so it can at least make reads to get up some decent damage before it has to bail
Go to sleep, and the thread dies...
>>59099355The summer wind...
>>59096211it's still a change in interaction, whoever got their primal or mega fug into the big boy form first is at an advantage since switching it back in is guranteed to set your weather rather than the one that primal-ing opponent will set.
It has the same priority.https://twitter.com/lorcylovesyou/status/2037216665344069732
>>59099924The same battle has a paralyzed Trevenant switch before a Scizor megas, I think that Greninja footage was just from an old build
>>59099935Yup6m30shttps://youtu.be/UsWfj1HfAVI?si=VuJI56N0VjnGcJ_9Complete nothingburger
>>59096067>how does this work with mega gengar's shadow tagthe switch is attempted, then fails because of shadow tag like if you were to use a move that switches out.
