To this day this is the stupidest thing they've ever done
>>59096342the dogs were too much of lame flops to get mega so they got paradox replacements insteadplease understand
>>59096342I hate them so much
The worst part is that they look so bad. I would much rather have had sleek future versions.
>>59096342These are like the only serviceable Paradox 'mons they've made, since they're not just present-day Pokémon but caveman/robot, but rather dinosaurs with design elements from their present counterparts.
>>59096342I actually like the designs but lore wise complete garbage.
>stupidest thing is 3 cool as fuck monsuhhh ok
>>59096342Walking Wake is an SS tier design. Perfectly captures what made Suicune appealing but in a new and distinct form.I love how Raging Bolt looks like a cross between a smilodon and a sauropod, but I don't know how I feel about the disc-shaped mane. I think it's meant to evoke a hurricane, which is a cool idea, but it just doesn't look that good. It looks way cooler when it's unfolded. I don't like the red details either.Gouging Fire is just a mess. It looks like the first rough draft of a concept that they had no idea how to execute.
>>59096360All those from the past are dinosaurs. It's just a little less pronounced on some.Anyway, I love them.
>>59096342Ancient Paradox is good. I much prefer it to horrors like Calyrex and its horses, Loyal Three, Enamorus, Urshifu, Regidrago and so on.
>>59096383Wake is the only one that really commits to the idea of the Johto beasts as dinosaurs. Bolt and Fire still look too much like big cats, just with a long neck/frill.
>>59096342to this day I dont have a good clue what the fuck paradox pokemon really are
>>59096342wake is goodother two suck turbo faggot cock
>>59096342Walking Wake is solid and the Raikou one is decent, the only bad one is the Entei one (I don’t even remember the names of the latter two)
>>59096342Wake and Bolt are good, same with their counterparts Leaves and Crown. But somewhere down the line they just fucking forgot about Fire and Boulder. There is a reason why those two were not shown in promotional material.
>Entei, Raikou and Suicune were created about 150 years before GS when Ho-Oh revived 3 pokemon that died in the fire that burned the Brass Tower>But they also have prehistoric forms because fuck you
>>59096367>>59096371People say taste is subjective and ultimately it is because there is no truly objective criteria with which to judge art. Despite that some people clearly have a subhuman aesthetic sense, immediately recognizable to those blessed with good taste, and in a less dysgenic world the birth of these poor unfortunates would be prevented and all aspects of the world would be similarly improved as the global mean IQ increased.Bless your retarded little heart
>>59096565>>59096586ThisDino Suicune should have stayed a standalone design just for how absurd it is.
>>59096342I don't know. I feel like abandoning the PSS was pretty dumb.
>>59096595lots of words just to say you pooped your pants
>>59096537>Flutter Mane is a pterodactylNaaaaah bro
They abandoned the “yellow eyes” motif on Bolt and Fire. I think that could’ve SLIGHTLY helped, but it still feels like these were more afterthoughts…especially Fire.
>>59096559I still can't believe Urshifu is a legendary. Looks like an Ursaring regional form.
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>>59096594>{child's simplistic headcanon]The examples shown off in GSC/HGSS were different pokémon killed when the tower burned down. But the Beasts as separate entities existed before Ho-Oh came along to give the poor burnt fuckers a Phoenix Down and a re-do. It just channelled its powers of revivification into the burnt husks and turned them into an Entei, a Raikou and a Suicune.
>>59096606>>59096639Subtle change, but it did piss me off they were the only two without the yellow.
These stupid damm feet fucking piss me off soo much. Just look at that shit.
>>59096342Raging Bolt and Gouging Fire look overdesigned and lame.Walking Wake looks cool. But it looks cool on its own, bot because it's a different version of Suicune. Change the Suicune parts and it would still look cool.
>>59096594>Entei's Pokédex entry states that it is born from Entei whenever volcanoes appear, starting in Generation 2. >Pokémon comparable to the Beast Trio, like Articuno, aren't even unique and are merely incarnations of nature.>Ho-Oh didn't create anything; it was resurrected, according to the game's terminology. We don't know what died, nor the veracity of the events, as we've never seen anything like this happen in the game.>Scarlet Book's sketches of the Beast Trio fusion bear a striking resemblance to the original Beast Trio, even though they are 200 years old (and therefore predate the tower incident). The brain tends to better transcribe what it already knows; in this case, the Beast Trio were already known, while Paradoxmon were unknown at the time. This is why the drawing bears very little resemblance to Paradoxmon, even though it is inspired by it.
>>59096342they really dropped the ball after wake, just compare wake to fire:wake's body is blue and white, with a big purple mane that has orange tips. four colors, nice clean design.fire's body is dark brown, light brown, black, green, red, yellow, gray, and white. you just can't make that many colors look good, it's not possible. it inherently looks like a shitty cluttered design because of that alone.
>>59096639>>59096646I admit that these two Paradoxes of the past would look better with yellow and red eyes.
>>59096604However, the mention of a pterodactyl ghost comes from the game Flutter-Mane, and it's no coincidence that the developers slipped this clue into one of the less obvious Paradoxes.One might argue that it doesn't particularly resemble a pterodactyl and that the idea is poorly executed, but given that all the others have dinosaur-like characteristics, this detail is revealing of their understanding of the creature and what it's supposed to be.
>>59096342Not the stupidest but they’re definitely ugly downgrades from the originals
>>59096594You’re conflating myths with facts. We don’t have any facts about where the beasts came from, only headcanons from characters in-universe>Ho-oh myth says they are revived mystery niggas who were given the powers of the lightning bolt that struck the tower, the fire that consumed it, and the rain that put it outBut the dex gives alternate origins>Entei is the creation of a volcanic eruption>Raikou descended to earth itself with a lightning strike >Suicune is the idea of the north wind given fleshGouging Fire’s entry also suggests people believe ancient Entei fossils exist, which again shows a separate belief of their origins in the public. There’s no reason for the Paradox versions to not exist, given we don’t even know definitively where the originals came from. Ancient paradox monsters themselves aren’t even given clear origins, with most material favoring them being ancestors of the present day ones, but the alternate timeline Sada suggesting they could come from alternative realities.
>>59096383I thought the mane was meant to evoke a thunderhead
Pokémon variants were a mistake.
>>59096342I liked them enough to buy Scarlett instead. The robo shit looks so fucking gay that only an autistic person or sonic the hedgehog fan could like them.
>>59096342They are some of the best designs in the series desu
>>59096820Yeah there’s no saving this. Too many colors and it’s hard to condense them in ways that look decent. This was the best shot. Got rid of the green completely, it didn’t add anything.
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>>59097174Unfortunately looks a little too drab, should have kept the horn gold and the green silver
>>59096594You missed the forest for the trees there, the Paradox Legendary Beasts proved there's no time travel at work and all we've been dealing with are Ultra Beasts that are more convergent with the main universe's Pokemon than the ones we met in Alola.
>>59097205Ultra Space, Ultra Whormhole, Ultra Beast... don't share the same themes or vocabulary as anything used in the SV storyline.You also tend to forget that LPA is an alternate timeline, yet there's canonical historical continuity with all the Sinnoh and SV games. The same goes for X, Y, and Z-A, or even Black, which isn't in the same timeline as Black 2, but both games remain within the same continuity. So, saying something is taken from an alternate timeline is meaningless, because it doesn't exclude its existence in other timelines. Except we're explicitly told it doesn't exist in a particular timeline, which has never been done with Paradoxmon.And we explained earlier that there's no inconsistency with Beast Trio.
>>59097205>the Paradox Legendary Beasts proved there's no time travel at workQuite literally every character and medium in the series calls it time travel.
>>59096342No, they're great.
>>59096342Honestly as standalone designs theyre solid but their association with the beasts just ruins them for me.
>>59096633>I still can't believe Urshifu is a legendaryLet's be real it was just meant to be another Lucario clone that they slapped the legendary title onto last minute because they ran out of time to design a legendary for the isle of armor. Notice how Urushifu's design has nothing to do with armor, unlike Calyrex who has the crown tundra box logo stamped right onto its head
>>59097174>>59097188Im sure a styracosaur lion hybrid could work in some capacity but using Entei's design as a base just doesn't work. The beasts in general are far too removed from reptilian for the concept to not come off as forced
>>59097565The best armor is a good offense
>>59096940Anything that wasn't a straight evolution made it weird
>>59097550Yeah, if Raging Bolt was a standalone electric brontosaurus with a literal thunderhead in the clouds it'd be amazing but now it will always have Raikou's dumbass head on top
But the raptor is sex, though.
>>59097375Yes they CALL it time travel, but they also make it clear that they have no idea if warp hole Sada/Turo opened actually lead to the future or pastLike I don't even understand how this is a debate, they're fucking called Paradox Pokemon, as in their existence is a paradox. Being purely time travel wouldn't explain the paradoxical nature of them
>>59096589Gouging Fire have an major appearance in the anime. So, it got something.
>>59096594I hate these designs so old lore it is.
to be fair walking wake is kinda cool
I still think the one in the middle is named "Great Neck" every time I see it. I genuinely don't know its "normal" name. Paradoxies were a mistake.
>>59098477Anon, they're also directly called Ancient and Future Pokémon in all promotional material following the release of the games. We also know from the Teraleak that Ohmori outright said they were from the past/future across all story/lore documents. Originally Area Zero itself was going to have time traveled, based on how the professor used Terapagos's power.
>>59098577Also, the time travel that brought them here in the first place was from a bootstrap paradox. That's why they are called paradox pokemon. Terapagos had the professor meet Heath and give him their notes on the time machine, which would then inspire their younger self into building it. The time machine blueprints were the bootstrap paradox.
I cried as a kid when Raging Bolt died while Amaura watched
>>59096342The stupidest ting they've done is give Donphan two paradox forms. Could not fucking fathom giving them to some other Pokemon
>>59096342(Posts awesome thing and say its shit)Everytime with this shithole. Just rename this board /pl/ - Palworld and get it over with, this is place is on life support anyway
>>59098624No, she deserves them.
>59098666>she
>>59098666No, satan, Donphan deserved an evo instead of 2 chink ripoffs.
>>59096342Address me
>>59098624The stupidest thing is that great tusk isn't Donphan's evolution.
>>59096342I love both Suicune and Raikou. Entei is whatever, but that's just Entei reality, he was always whatever.
>>59098580Based.They are called Paradox because they are temporal paradoxes that should not exist in the present day.
>>59098688The 4 guardians idea is neat, it's mostly wasted by the base forms being near identical clones
>>59098688the cloud men forms are the garbage ones, not the animal forms
>>59096346>dogs>>saber-toothed tiger, lion, cheetahthey never were, are not and will never be dogs, you inbred faggot.They have always been big jungle cats.>no verification requiredrightfully so
>>59098856>>no verification requiredThat just means you've been online so long they don't need to verify this session anymore.
>>59098860Good job ignoring the rest of the comment
>>59096350Raikou and Suicune look great. Entei is dog water though.
>>59098688Gay Genbu is the only thing wrong here.
>>59098688I miss the days before Enamorus. The genies and Tapus all had different colors — green, blue, and orange for the genies, and yellow, pink, red, and purple from the Tapus.
>>59096350Nobody like your shitty robot retexture violetbortion
>>59098856>raijin, foo dog, fenrirTheyre both
>>59100127I'll give you raijin but l m a o the others are a stretch... if anything Suicune is a kirin instead, so they should be referred to as their official title, "beasts".
>>59096342>Be resurrected by ho-oh in 1999/2000>Transform into one of the legendary beasts.>Newly created pokemon.>Somehow have a primitive ancestorDeep lore
>>59098688Ignoring Enamorous (as one should), the Therian forms are good while the Incarnate forms are only bad because they're essentially recolors each other.
Suicune is the only one that looks like absolute shit.
>>59096680>bro why the sauropod has sauropod feets???
>>59096342I hope they spread their signature moves to more pokemon in champions and beyond Thunderclap, Psyblade and even more cancer scald would be awesome additions to other pokemon
>>59098454I want Walking Wake to be an immobilized mountain of fat whose arms & legs are completely sunken in barring her feet barely sticking out while her massive tits noticably hang down the sides of her gigantic belly... and she's stuck on her ass only able to see between her giant tits.Raging Bolt too but instead she's inflated like a big massive blimp.
>>59096342Yes but only because GF pussied-out on turning Paradox Entei into a grotesque abomination like the rest of Johto's legendary gerbils.
