Whenever I say I want pokemon protagonists to be adults, the entire pokemon community pisses and shits its pants in rage. Why’s that?
>>59096809because they're pedophilies like game freak
>>59096809What's your reasoning? It's supposed to be a kid's game, so a kid protagonist makes sense.
>>59096817majority of pokemon fans are adultsmost of the pokemon ecosystem is targeted towards adults (merch, trading cards, spin-offs, cafes, theme parks)protagonists were already aged up a bit by Gen 5 & 6, then we regressed back to 10-11 year olds in Gen 7 onwards, with the exception of the Legends games.
>>59096809It comes off as you being unable to enjoy games unless you can sexualize the characters
>>59096834no, I just got sick of being called a kid all the time. hell, I can’t even be a cool independent kid like Red anymore, I’m forced to be a fucking school kid with a silly uniform.
>>59096809Pokemon and vidya as a whole are supposed to be a form of escapism. I already get to live real life as an adult. Why would I want to play as one in a fictional video game too? It’s the same reason why I don’t want to see black people in Pokemon. Also I’m pretty sure in-universe most adults have real jobs. Only kids with no responsibilities have the time to become high-level trainers aside from gym leaders and the E4 who do it in a professional capacity.
>>59096834As if people don't sexualise the 10yos.Some people even sexualise the younger characters.
>>59096809Pokemon Black and White had 16 year old protagonists and the story did not change in the slightest. You don't need adult protagonists unless buying beer and gambling is essential to the game about collecting colorful elemental animals to enter a sports league.
>>59096829Why are people unable to enjoy themselves unless the PC is a 1 to 1 representation of themselves?
>>59096881"but I want to openly sexualize the characters"
>>59096809It's a pointless change in and of itself but the implication is that you want Pokemon to take a more mature approach. And everybody cringes at the very idea of that. Considering how many bad fan interpretations of a mature Pokemon story there are I think they're right.
>>59096899>the story did not change in the slightestPlay the game next time
>>59096914you seethe about black people existing in games, shut the fuck up. it’s especially egregious in SV because the academy brags about having students of all ages, but then you’re still forced to be a kid, even the friends are like 6-8 years older than you and twice your height.
>>59096941I feel like every gym leader having a quirky job who comes out of their gym to trap you in their town until you defeat the local evil team would stay the same if Hilda was 10I feel like Bianca, Cheren and N's stories would stay the same if they were 10I feel like Kyurem will still launch icicles at you if you were 10 because they don't hit you
>>59096809because they're pedophiles
>>59096809The Pokemon journey is largely a coming of age story. Think of the movie Stand by me, which seemed like a very big deal to the devs at the time.
>>59096955And? You said the story didn't change in the slightest, which is false.
>>59096977Fine nigger, I'll double down. Explain the changesWhat changed? What makes Black and White different from other past games? You got friendly rivals with some family drama, you got an evil team summoning god but actually some of them are misguided, you got gym leaders that step out of their gyms to exposit shit, you got Pokemon being abused by the evil team. All been done before. Literally the only meaningful change is the evil team defeated the champion before you.
>>59096809Why are you denying me sexy teenager protagonists? I want eye candy, do you think I'm watching Pokemon for the Pokemon? Fucking retard.
>>59096812There is nothing sexual about pokemon you weird projecting freak.
>>59096863>Also I’m pretty sure in-universe most adults have real jobs. Only kids with no responsibilities have the time to become high-level trainers aside from gym leaders and the E4 who do it in a professional capacity.Its actually surprising how much this fact is glossed over both in universe and by the community. Being a pokemon trainer is like being a real life profession chess player. There is no money in it other than at the very top skill level. It seems like in universe pokemon trainers are held in about the same regard. Like pokemon battles are a fun distraction but most adults simply dont care all that much about it because they have jobs and bills to pay. Its probably even the case that actual adult jobs in universe pay way better than being a trainer. Using lemonade from the vending machines costing 350 we can assume that the last two digits of their currency roughly corresponds to the two decimal points for cents in our own monetary system. So when trainers win pokemon battles they are only ever winning like $20-30 actual dollars at a time. Literal chump change.
>>59096809Nostalgia
>>59096817Most kid's games don't even have kid protagonists though
>>59096809It implies the protagonist wasted their childhood since an adult shouldn't be recently receiving their first Pokemon
>>59096809Because the entire pokemon community you're imagining in your head reacts to your opinion in the way that is most personally gratifying. Contrarian outwardly, contrarian n-wordly.
>>59096809You're a rookie trainer. Why would anyone in Pokémon world have less than 6 Pokémon at 18?
>>59096817Mario and Link are young adults.
>>59096809Eh. As long as they're young adult it's fine. In Japan, adulthood is basically seen as the end-all route of your life, so anything too drastic would alienate their home audience.
>>59097214Cause they have jobs. Pokémon battles cost money, so you're essentially gambling by becoming a Pokémon trainer. Protagonists are glorified nepo babies who are somewhat connected or were lucky enough to get acquainted with a renowned professor who freely gives them a rare Pokémon as their starter, and they have all the free time in the world to grind their Pokémon that most people don't. It was rigged from the start.
>>59096809Because it's fucking stupid that someone is waiting until adulthood before getting a Pokemon, when getting a Pokemon is, at its core, meant to be an allegory for a Coming of Age Rite of Passage.
>>59096809Being an adult wouldn't be any different from what the Z-A protagonists are. Old enough to live alone, have jobs and night life.
>>59097785I thought they really were adults. Isn't Legends supposed to be more mature or something?
>>59096863>It’s the same reason why I don’t want to see black people in Pokemon.Yes, yes, we get it, you're racist. How original
>>59096829and those adults are also manchildren who miss their younger years because they were at their "peak" and werent as much of a loser as they've become, thus, they only like playing as children because it reminds them of their youth
>>59096809The children's perspective is perfect for an adventure in a fantasy world full of mysterious creatures. Adults have their jobs and taxes and politics, shit that is absolutely detrimental to an adventure like this. Plenty of retarded, setting-ruining and genuinely boring questions can only be asked from position of an adult.The 10yo kid will not bother his head with economy of Pokemon Centers, politics of Pokemon world and why his mom is sitting all the days in home and dad is never there. He may interact with some of these things, but from perspective of a 10yo simpleton they are too complicated and big to be more than just another obstacle to overcome with his Pokemon friends.
>>59097067The Pokemon money system is directly based on yen. 350 "pokedollars" (retarded fan name) is 350 yen. Which in 1996 was bit around 3-4 usd so I guess you're close enough.
>>59097001kill yourself
>>59097001stay alive
>>59098572bullshit reason, not everyone is a self hating jap
>>59096809It raises questions after years of kiddy protags that require energy better spent elsewhere to answer. More cynically, the mirror image of an adult protag jumping around in the grass while kid trainers are running about and Gym leaders having established "real jobs" might hit too close to home. The sweetspot is still a young protag without the responsibilities of adulthood but beginning to gain the autonomy of adulthood. So older teenagers like these two
>>59098587>>59099035Fucking this. It just doesn't work for settings like Pokémon. Especially with Japanese culture where adults are mostly expected to be contained salarymen like Larry, but you can argue this is also true outside of Japanese culture.
>>59098099Lisa got a scholarship to go to dance school in Kalos, so the ZA protags are basically like high school or college age.
>>59097739Was Wes supposed to be a adult?
>>59096809It's supposed to be a coming of age adventureThough they kind of forgot the adventure part
>>59099114To be fair, with modern kids, a coming of age story where the protagonist is 39 wouldn't be that weird.
>>59099088Kind of. They're actually 17, but with the way the game started with him belonging to a criminal organization and having his first Pokémon at the level of 25, it's the closest we've gotten to a game where the protagonist already had their own lives and been Pokémon trainers for a while before the actual game took place and didn't partake on a rite of passage like all the other protagonists. Kind of like an adult.
>>59097067>>59098604Your in-game wallet in the older games maxes out at 999,999 which in jpy equates to just over $6k usd. In ZA it maxes out to 9,999,999 which is a little under $63k usd.
>>59096919Yes
>>59096809Kids will find playing as adults cooler anyway
>>59096809Because mainline pokemon is fundamentally a coming of age story. You start as a child going to a journey to become capable of the responsibilities of an adult.
>>59096809That's probably the newest cope, but they already do it by playing as adults
>>59096829>majority of pokemon fans are adultsSource? I'm not against adult protagonists, but I always assumed the majority of players were children
>>59101530It was. That changed in the mid 2010s to early 2020s. Also, birth rates are low, so I imagine that plays a strong factor for the aging demographic.It's not just the pokemon fanbase either. The gaming industry as a whole is having this problem.
>>59098587>The 10yo kid will not bother his head with economy of Pokemon Centers, politics of Pokemon world and why his mom is sitting all the days in home and dad is never thereNeither will the adult protagonist because all Pokemon protagonists are silent and (with the exception of Wes) have zero backstory so it doesn't matter what age they are in the slightest
>>59098436No one tries to be racist to be original you faggot. Being a contrarian is the sweet spot for being a unoriginal midwit like yourself. So dont act like you throwing away all caution to the wind, and ignoring natural tribalistic survival instincts, history, genetics, and stats, to NOT BE racist, is some groundbreaking maverick thought. You're an easily brainwashed RETARD trying to cope with being a LOSER that craves the attention they will never get, because YOU'RE NOT ORIGINAL at all.
>>59096863>It’s the same reason why I don’t want to see black people in PokemonHoly fucking based, Batman!
>>59101794difference is an adult will look a lot cooler than a kid
>>59099035No, and who the fuck cares about “uhhh what about the jap wagies feeeings”? It’s a franchise with magical monsters that spit fire and drastically change their physiology under certain conditions, why should ANY of the appeal to corporate life realism even matter?
>>59098572I'd totally play as an adult if I had the option to. The only hurdle would be making a story where the protag's age doesn't matter in the setting, or changing dialogs based on more context than simply gender.
>>59096817>Mario isn't a kids game
>>59103494Neither SV’s nor Z-A’s stories are affected by having adult protagonists. For starters, the academy makes a big deal about having students of all ages, and most of the friends are older teenagers between 16-18 while the protagonist is the outlier 10 years old. Same things goes for Z-A, it revolves around moving to a new city for a new life and participating in the Z-A Royale, which is an all-ages competition.
>>59097067You can imply this with enough real world logic, but how many in-game instances have there been where anyone gave a fuck about money before ZA?>Gen 1 Gambler NPCsThey don't count because they existed solely to foreshadow the casino.>Kalos tipsThose rich fucks are well off whether or not you oblige.
>>59100352as a kid, I hated playing as child protagonists, I always preferred playing as a teenager or an adult.
>>59103538As a kid I loved being close to the same age as Ash/Red, and wanted to dress up as him for Halloween and such.
>>59096809Those are just normal clothes
>>59104128???
>>59101530As a substitute teacherNot really.Kids aren't really that into pokemon.They all know what it is, but I have heard of more kids whose memory of it is a game their parents got for them, that they didn't really like, than I have kids who actually play it. A few do, but not many. Most kids don't have strong opinions on it at all, besides the more gamer kids which usually say the games are supper buggy and bad without specifics, so I assume they have only experienced it via streamers or memes. Parents who like buying pokemon for their kids is the only thing really keeping it relevant to kids at all, as far as I've seen.
>>59096817A 20-year old kid
>>59101530kids would rather play f2p games like roblox, overwatch, marvel rivals, and other multi platform shit like that than any Nintendo exclusives. hell, my 1st grade son’s classmates, both the boys and the girls, play gachashit like Mihoyo verse stuff and Umamusume than even Pokemon Go or Unite.
>>59104518>>59104556Based, the marketing department's gonna cry when it gets compared to Star Wars
>>59104345!!!
>>59101530Well, think about it. Pokemon as a concept is pretty dated at this point. Masuda himself more or less said that kids are too brainrotted these days to actually finish the games. All the QOL features added in the Switch era games were done because practically no one is going to sink hundreds of hours into doing pointless time-wasting shit like breeding anymore. That was only acceptable back in the day before f2p mobile games existed and kids had to make do with only getting one or two new games per year from their parents. There’s no way today’s ten year olds could survive the unmitigated BS of the Gen 3 era if 20 year old DS babbies are struggling with FRLG on Switch.
>>59098604It's not "based on" yen, it IS yen. That squiggle they put in the English version that retards named "the symbol for Pokedollars" is just a yen symbol in the original.
>>59097756That's a stupid cope. Children have free time.
>>59096809What kind of retard starts their Pokemon journey as an adult
>>59105590The ZA protag apparently by accident
>>59105590Majority of people have Pokemon as pets, you fucking moron.
Pokemon is a pedo and furry franchise now, unfortunately.
>>59106109So they already have Pokemon instead of waiting their entire life like a weird retard okay
>>59097214Maybe because they decided to finish school before going on a journey?Anyway the whole "everyone receives a starter at 10" makes no sense in universe
>>59105590Seems more retarded to just let a kid fresh out of elementary school free roam the entire continent. It makes a lot more sense if someone’s Pokémon journey takes place during a gap year.
>>59098587>retarded, setting-ruining and genuinely boring questions can only be asked from position of an adultI think that there are interesting question about the setting you can only answer through the perspective of an adult. Like why are Pokémon compliant to the point that they will stay with a trainer they genuinely hate and commit evil acts despite there allegedly being no such thing as evil Pokémon.
>>59107465it's fine when he has a pet monster to protect him
>>59106766>now
>>59096991Well if we're talking 2, it's a sequel and some defectors come to your aid, and there's the whole thing of them freezing the town, presumably killing people in the process. That's pretty neat. (NTA just wanted to throw that in.)The evil team actually injures a Pokemon on-screen in 1, which I don't think happens in any other game. There's also the whole N story plot which, as far as I know, doesn't happen in any other game. Having the evil team's second in command come to the realization that the team is evil and wanting absolutely no part in it IS different...But neither of these things justify the 16 year old protagonist being 16. The ferris wheel hiker MIGHT though, at least here in the west.
>>59096809The real issue is that since any Pokemoin game can be baby's first Pokemon game, they need to have some sort of tutorial where they teach you about Pokemon. With a kid, these can work as even if they grew up with pet Pokemon they may not understand the basics of being a trainer. An adult would need to literally be living under a rock to justify it. Just look at how retarded the ZA trainers look when needing to be told "you use pokeballs to catch Pokemon". Now imagine that with a 30 year old.
>>59103512>Same things goes for Z-A, it revolves around moving to a new city for a new life and participating in the Z-A Royale, which is an all-ages competition.The ZA protags are also implied to be the uni age, so they actually are the first adult protagonists. Aging them back down to kids for WW seems so arbitrary now
>>59107981Or gayfreak could just accept that kids would rather play mobileslop or whatever that other thing was called, and pander to the aging consoomers throwing money at them
>>59106813NTA, wonder if they could make it work with a young adult protag who still lives with family and has the 3 starters as pets since childhood. Now that the MC is an adult, they're finally ready to leave home and travel the world, but mom only lets you take one because she'll be lonely otherwise. I imagine that in-universe, there are plenty of pokemon that essentially belong to the entire family rather than just one person.
>>59108590>plans to be a multimedia franchise that lasts hundreds of years>lets only appeal to 1 generation and once they die fall off the face of the earth
>>59096809Autism is the reason. Next thread.
>>59096809And the best part is the kids would rather play mobileslop instead of the shitty mainline games, so they decided not to appeal to anyone at all. But then, their kind did plan to devote ten thousand years to an emperor who was gonna die eventually
>>59108778Pedophilia*
>>59096829>majority of pokemon fans are adults
>>59096809You're going about it all wrong. You shouldn't say YOU want them to be adults. You need to say EVERYONE wants them to be adults.
>>59110095everyone generalizes the statement too much, say "we" instead
>>59096817i was here first. they can find something else.
>>59110097But that's exactly why you're supposed to say EVERYONE.
>>59110614Even more based
>>59096809probably crying about how smug you look there
>>59096809Here's something interesting, as a protagonist, how did you find your six pokémon, like what's the scenario for example? 1.Starter2.Catch3.Catch4.Abandoned by original trainer5.Hatch from egg6.Followed me until finally joining
>>591128924 and 6 sound sad but very sweet that you have them now
>>59097739They got even more manchildren in Japan relative to their population
>>59113928better have a happy ending
>>59097739no, japs are pedos, they’d be alienated they can’t play as little girls anymore.
>>59105742Not really, it seems more like the ZA Protagonist was an average joe who never got invested in battling back home and, seeing as how they were never going out into the wilderness, they didn't see it as a necessity to bring their Pokemon with them.
>>59108039ZA ultimately needed young adults because the narrative needs to justify the Team MZ crew being able to properly inherit Hotel Z following AZ's death without parents or legal guardians getting involved, so unless WW has a similar situation, it's gonna be the familiar case of "[Player] sweetie, come downstairs! Our longtime family friend [Local Professor/Other Important Person] has something special for you and is either here waiting on you or wants you to come to their place!" or "Well [Player] we just moved into [region], how about you get some fresh air and meet the neighbors which will inevitably lead to you meeting [Local Professor/Other Important Person]?"
>>59108631Fuck it, make the whole game a family road trip where you take one starter and your parents are your rivals with the other ones.
>>59116485>>59116493>>59116516The whole point of Legends is to try out changes to the formula anyway
>>59117540before putting them in the mainline games
>>59118353Where were the Strong and Agile fighting styles in SV?Where was the shiny jingle and particles in SV?Where were the Black Augurite or Peat Blocks in SV?
>>59118365open world's always gonna be part of the franchise now and there's nothing you can do about it
>>59109704It’s pretty obvious that GF intended the Legends series to be for their older fanbase while keeping the traditional two-version games more at kid-friendly difficulty. ZA is a direct sequel to 13 year old games that deals with somewhat heavier subject matter with older protags.
>>59119073shouldn't have made them look so gay then
>>59119010Can't wait for level scaling to be part of the franchise then
>>59096809You're not allowed to hold the games to the same standard as more mature ones
>>59104518Brutal
>>59104518>>59104556Curse you! You broke my illusion about playing with kids instead of manchildren...
>>59096809>the entire pokemon community
If the story, tone and atmosphere isn't written around the protagonists in mind then the changed age or appearance doesn't matter.They can't be fucked to make varying dialogue for Opal when she bitches about a lack of pink on the player model (Even if you slap only pink on it).They sell anyway so they don't have to do shit in the first place. Fucking sit out buying games if you want an actual change to take effect.
>>59123623yes, every single corner in the community gets triggered whenever you say you want older protagonists, no matter what platform. the bullshit reasons they’ll pull out of their asses are:>“b-but, think of the children!”this is the most common argumenttoday’s kids literally don’t play Pokemon, it’s not one of their core interests. zoomers have gotten into pokemon via XY and SM, sure, but Gen Alpha literally don’t care and would rather rot away playing Roblox and F2P mobile games on their iPads. if they ever get a console, they’ll install Mihoyo and Roblox on it instead of trying different games.>“b-but muh coming of age journey!”this argument has its fair share of fans, but it’s still equally bullshit.The Z-A protagonists came into Lumiose City without a pokemon. The protagonist in SV attends an all-ages academy focused on pokemon training, and has friends who are late teens and young adults, the protagonist is the only kid in the major cast, the only other kid is Poppy, a literal toddler. For the vast majority of residents in the world of Pokemon, the creatures are literally just glorified pets. >“i am a pedophile”this is the most honest and straightforward statement, yet only this shithole is brave enough to admit it due to the anonymity.
>>59096809Some unwanted slop where everyone else just praises you the whole time and gushes about how you must be muh most powerful chosen one ever isn't some "coming of age" horseshit and certainly isn't a "journey"
>>59112892-Buy from a breeder/auction-Traded via GTS
/vp/edos hate this post
>>59104518idk about america but in japan pokemon is still known how a kodomo franchise
>>59125137It’s considered a kiddie thing here as well, but nerds openly enjoy it unlike in Japan where you’re supposed to hide all your childish otaku hobbies.
>>59096809Imagine how pozzed those kids will grow up to be then
For be adult need redesign the monsters because they look like childish fucking toys, this work for digimon and smt because the monsters look like monsters unlike kiddymon
>>59096809>Why’s that?can't lewd them
>>59125775I mean have you seen how ugly the ZA protagonists are?
>>59125818the crossdressing perverts loved those when it came out
>>59126224I meant their base designs. I couldn't care less about peoples OCs
