Can we talk about the hypocrisy of this fandom when it comes to the starters?They say that they hate bipedals, humanoids and anthros, yet they're often the most popular member of their trios. Fans claim to want more quadrupeds, fatmons and animalmons, yet they're often the least popular member of their trios. Why is it that the general fan consensus that you can't escape from online don't align with the actual results?
>>59108167>still trying to force the zeraora is popular meme
>>59108175Japan eats up Zeraora every time it's on screen and then immediately forgets about it when it isn't. It's a weird phenomenon
>>59108167Emboar being the third fire/fighting in a row and being kinda mid gave the fanbase PTSD. Incineroar is fire/fighting in everything but its actual type reawoken that fear
>>59108167Wait, who the hell is the most popular Paldean Pokemon then? Or is this a trick question where Sprigatio is the most popular? If you say Ceruledge or the orange partner to Ceruledge I'll laugh because nobody actually talks about them.
>>59108167>KANTOOOOOO starters have no humanoids, by far the most successful by all metrics >Only the Pokemon to rival CHARIZARD in importance are Pikachu and Eevee, a rat and a dog, all the other shillmons are secodary to those two >Meganium is the Johto starter farthest from humanoid since the other two stand up, yet it was the only one popular enough to to not get regionally replaced, or get a humiliation ritual toilet mega weaker than its own baby >Meganium is the least humanoid ZA starter and still the biggest success since Emboar flopped >Hisuian samurott stays a quadruped and is the by far the most popular Hisui starter bcause the other two flopped so badly TPC hide them >Jynx is the humanshape pokemon and its the biggest flop in the franchise despite having the KANTOOOOOO passneed I go on?
>>59108200>Wait, who the hell is the most popular Paldean Pokemon then?It's a toss up between Meowscarada, Ceruledge and Tinkaton.
>>59108204Mewtwo
>>59108204>>KANTOOOOOO starters have no humanoids, by far the most successful by all metrics lol
>>59108187It's strange, because:1. The last Fire/Fighting starter was 15 years ago.2. There are only four pokemon lines with fire and fighting type. One of them being a regional variant. There are far more egregious type repeats like Fire/Ghost or Grass/Ghost.This fanbase is just known for repeating the same old tired memes at this point. It's no different than them repeating the same Undella Town meme or the Lopunny meme over and over again.
>>59108215Yeah, Charizard is still super popular but I think Blastoise and Venusaur kind of fell off with zoomers.
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>>59108215>johto starters >beloved
>>59108167Bragging about Meowscarada beating the atrocities that are Skeledirge and Quaquaxly is hilarious.I guarantee you if Meowscarada and Skeledirge kept the exact same designs except the former on four legs and the latter on two, the result would've been the same. And let's not even talk about Quaquaxly who is probably the most unpopular starter of all time (and also a bipedal one with extremely human mannerisms).
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>>59108204>>Meganium is the Johto starter farthest from humanoid since the other two stand up, yet it was the only one popular enough to to not get regionally replaced, or get a humiliation ritual toilet mega weaker than its own babyYou guys spent years pestering everyone else with the persecution complex and now that GF finally gave your starter a bone, you want to pretend that Meganium was always a popular shillmon? Don't get too high off your own fumes.
>>59108204You can't use megas/regionals as a definitive measure of popularityTyphlosion was always the most popular johto starter by all real measures and got "regional replaced"and instead of typhlosion, emboar got a megafreakin emboar
Let's be fucking real, the 2 main reasons retards on social media cry their fucking crocodile tears over anthropomorphic starters is:They want to treat their Pokémon like how they'd treat a real life pet and nothing more (which is fucking stupid, you wouldnt treat a DINOSAUR like a dog irl, let alone fantastical creaters akin to yokai or dragons and the like)And because their panties get in a twist because "Oh god the furry porn woe is me!" (Even though porn is made of all of these fuckers regardless if theyre anthropomorphic or not, and it's VERY easy to avoid the porn like a normal person)There are other reasons (i.e. KANTOOOOOOOOO) but those are the two big reasons. And those reasons dont apply when its THEIR favorite. "Meowscarada is fine cause I like it, but ew Incineroar and Cinderace are gross gooner bait"
>>59108167>InfernapePiplup is the actual popular starter there and people here commonly say there’s a difference between bipedal and anthro stuff.>ZeraoraGoddamn am I tired of people here shilling Japan’s shit taste. Not even the fucking furries here care about it which is saying something.
>>59108313Holy Reddit spacingAnyways, my issue with a lot of the anthropomorphic starters is not because they are anthropomorphic but because they look more like specific characters instead of members of a species. Am I to really believe there exist thousands of Cinderaces who all have an interest in soccer?(Also stop putting Us in everything). I prefer Pokemon with a more blank slate look so I can imagine different varieties of said mon existing. I do not care about how many legs a mon has or how expressive their eyes are or whatever the fuck makes something anthropomorphic.
>>59108336The Cinderaces in the anime didn't want to play Soccer, one loved battling and the other acted like a big brother to their trainers other Pokemon, both were vastly different from each other.
>>59108336Just say you hate jobmons
>>59108167Almost like the ones people like are well designed
It's even more ironic when these fans get mad that a quadruped starter ISN'T bipedal.
>>59108336I hate you
>Venusaur is the third wheel between Blastoise & Zard>Meganium is infamously unpopular and Typhlosion is almost never depicted on 4 legs despite being technically classified as quadruped>Swampert isn't outright unpopular but still tends to be Sceptile/Blaziken's shadows>Torterra is in a similar boat>I distinctly remember Samurott getting backlash for not really leaning into what Dewott was setting up in an appealing way, but the Unova line in general is considered "eh" besides maybe Serperior>Gen 6-8 has no quadrupeds - the only one to approach that territory (Primarina) faces some backlash for admittedly unrelated reasons>Skeledirge only really enjoys popularity on basis of novelty due to the above Anything else?
>>59108366Is Swampert even a true quadruped?
>>59108237Gamefreak and TPC were always more fond of Chikorita than the other two.>only starter to not get replaced in the final release of GS>first and last stages received zero redesign>humiliated Ash's Charizard in its first anime appearance >most anime presence in general>greatest spinoff presence somehow tooMeanwhile Typhlosionfags cry about their persecution complex in the face of CHARIZARD FROM KANTOOOOOO and receive nothing outside of a regional replacement, since Gamefreak never actually cared about Cyndaquil to begin with and cobbled it together from a repurposed dex filler mon. GF giving the dino more attention is just par for the course.
>>59108374No it's basically a gorilla
>>59108376Don’t forget turning the croc into a toilet Totodile.
>>59108345The three Incineroar showed off in the anime had different personalities too>Kukui's was a fun confident mentor>Ash's was more serious >Cross's was a fucking psychopath
>>59108376>typhlosionfags cry about their persecution complexIt’s not a persecution complex if it’s actual persecution
>>59108366>>Skeledirge only really enjoys popularity on basis of novelty due to the aboveEven then, Meowscarada is still more popular. Even it's pre-evo, which stands on two, is more popular than Skeledirge.
>>59108376GF must have been pissed then that the Typhlosion line got so much love from the fans while nobody really cared about Meganium
>>59108336Stupid argument because then you get btfo with replies like these >>59108345 >>59108396The real reason humanoid jobmons suck is because they visually don't look like animals, it's that simple. They are designed as walking references to human society and culture instead of wild creatures that make up a non-human ecosystem.I'll take a quadruped animal with a fixed personality like the gyaru Bulbasaur from Pokopia over a bara jobmon furry with a variable personalty like Incineroar any day of the week.
I don’t get why people say gf hates Typhlosion. It’s better in competitive than the other two and probably will remain that way due to how megas work.
>>59108376And all it took was neutering the most popular choice and pairing it up with a even less popular starter for it to finally be the "shillmon" GF wanted it to be.
pocket Monsters aren't animals
>>59108443Then where are the animals?
>>59108443Like a third of all designs could be called cartoon animals and for all intents and purposes Pokemon fit in the same role. Find another argument.
>>59108366>VenusaurLame flower vs Badass dragon and cannons. Has nothing to do with the amount of legs.>MeganiumCutesy girlymon vs two battle-ready predators. Has nothing to do with the amount of legs.>Swampert>TorterraIn both gen3 and gen4 the grass and water starters are pretty much equal in popularity; the fire starter just comes out on top because fire is the most popular element.>SamurottBoth Samurott and Serperior are FAR more popular than Emboar>SkeledirgeMogged by the cat slut because of porn artists.
>>59108167What you talking about I love bipedal mons
>>59108468>In both gen3 and gen4 the grass and water starters are pretty much equal in popularityThey're not.
>>59108486>All above the top 12 and within seven places of each other I don’t have the list infront of me but that may be the closest starters in the same gen have been
>>59108167They hate the overuse and furrification of it.
>>59108523And they will ate up the gen 10 industry plant lucario clone anyway
>>59108468>Mogged by the cat slut because of porn artistsThat would imply that porn artists have a strong influence over the pokemon community at large.And that the Paldea dex was just bad enough to lose to that influence, because when has "slut" pokemon ever won big before?If so Braixen should have mogged Greninja
Why do you guys reply to automated threads?
>>59108560>That would imply that porn artists have a strong influence over the pokemon community at large.Uhh they do. Pic related.>Braixen should have mogged GreninjaOnline culture just wasn't the same back then.Meowscarada's popularity is largely a modern twitter phenomenon. You can't deny the huge influence that fanartists have nowadays.
>>59108603Automatic?
someone post the meme where the retarded guy thinks that two people with different opinions are the same person because they use the same site
>>59108650>hurr durr two different groupsThat's not the point.
>>59108623They have some influence obviously, but I think you're overestimating the twitter fanartist power.Yes, it may be part of it (same goes for literally all pokemon), but the Meowscarada lines popularity largely being other factors is a more sensical take.Besides, it's not like Braixen has disappeared. And Primarina isn't the most popular starter of all time like if twitter would have their way.
>>59108443Pocket Monsters are now the fauna of their world, you schizo
>>59108735>nowThey have been since Gen 3. but that still doesn't make them animals you retarded little monkey.
>>59108905>little monkeyIronic turn of phrase.
>>59108167Everyone that goes out of their way to make sure everyone else knows those pokemon are their favorite get laughed out of the room all the time though. What hypocrisy? Why don't you actually go into a typical anthro Pokemon thread, find the person posting Vaporeon inside it, and actually ask him how much he genuinely masturbates to the Eevee line. Odds are more in your favor that he's just talking shit because anthrofaggots are low hanging fruit.
The problem is that I can buy that my lucario is MY lucario, or my gardevior is MY gardevior. Jobmons like Incineroar or Meowscarada look like their own people. They look like individual characters. I can't imagine two Inteleons in room interacting eachother and that not being some kind of cloning scenario. There's too much character put into their design process for them to be belivable as a speices or a creature you own. "We don't want bipedals" is shitty shorthand people use for this sentiment. It's like a toddler trying to describe that they don't like, but they don't know how to phrase what about it they don't like, so they gravitate to the closest concept they can understand about it. Plus, modern starters lack visual variety and since most vinal evos are on two legs, a quadreped would be an easy way to shake it up.
>>59109178It's not just the character, it's also the fact that that piece of shit tiger is built like a human man and shoots fire out of a wrestler belt. It's plain retarded.
>>59109178>>59109281See >>59108345>>59108396
>>59109301See >>59108423
>>59109178>my lucario is MY lucario All lucarios have the same genenric shonen personality
>>59109333That's racist.
>>59108423>they visually don't look like animalsThey're supposed to be monsters, not regular boring-ass animals. Hope this helps.
>>59108623Meowscarada is popular because she's one of Liko's many canon yuri wives.
>>59108505nta but in that same poll all three Gen 7 starters landed in the top 10. Despite all the guff online the trio was genuinely very successful overall
>>59109381>Gen 3 and 7 are the only one with all three fully evolved starters in top 10 lol
>>59109347>they're supposed to be monsters that's why we make them as human as possible
>>59109391Swampert’s not in the top 10. But Mudkip is, probably due to western memes
>>59109381Damn, I forgot how hard owlfags botted that poll to get Decidushit in the top 3. Really sad behavior. In a real organic poll that thing isn't even sniffing top 1000.
>>59109460what’s a real organic poll? because it got top 20 in the Johto times one
The audience is forever divided between the fans who see Pokemon as wild monsters, and fans who started later in the era of personas.
>>59108167I hate all of these except Gardevoir desu and she only gets a pass because I think it's funny to have a woman in by pocket
>>59108167>Ceruledge>A knight.On what planet? He's a Net Navi.
>>59109602Why change him to be megaman? is that supposed to be an oversoul or something?
>>59108167I dont hate humanoid pokemon I hate cartoony pokemon Machamp and Swellow are fine Incelroar and flamigo arent
>>59109638>Why change him to be megaman?Because the #1 complaint about Armarouge and Ceruledge was that they weren't Pokemon, they were Net Navis.
>>59109659i mean yeah basically. but i was just confused because i thought you were saying the version you posted was what would make him a net navi. i should probably sleep.
>>59109430Yeah, that's a monster
>>59109460Stop coping
>59109460blatant bait, trying too hard
>>59108167You completely missed the point. The problem isn't having humanoid Pokémon; we need them for diversity. There are some very good ones, but also some bad ones.However, since Gen 6, this trend with starters has become too pronounced. All three starters always end up as Jobmon, and that's a problem. So yes, people want the Fire Dog to remain quadrupedal because we're tired of all three choices turning into animals wearing clothes. It's not necessary to have three furry cereal mascots every time.
>>59108215> Zoomers who started with RSE
>>59110224i hope they all turn into cereal mascots it that annoys you so much
>>59108336newfaggot accusing of newfagging while newfagging
>>59108415what website you getting these rankings at?
>>59108438fuck you and your life
>>59110276Japanese gaming sitehttps://gamewith.jp/pokemon-sv/article/show/431889also had a poll for ZA megashttps://gamewith.jp/pokemon-za/537167
>>59109738No, it's a guy in a fursuit.
