If we're being honest with ourselves, it doesn't make any sense that Pokemon from previous generations appear in new regions. New games should only give you access to new Pokemon in post-game. I don't want to find Pidgey or Abra in WaW.
>>59108780pidgeys were originally brought to other regions for food
>>59108780That's like saying bears shouldn't exist anywhere outside of Wyoming
>>59108780I want abra in WW because I like abra :)
>>59108780Real life animals migrate, why not pokemon?
Ever notice how whenever anyone argues for -less- content, it's to defend Gen 5?
>>59108780>>59108824Gen 5 got it right. It forces you to use new Pokemon and makes the game feel "new"er
>>59108780>If we're being honest with ourselves, it doesn't make any sense that Pokemon from previous generations appear in new regions.??? Why not? That’s how animals works in real life.
>>59108814tranny
>>59108822>>59108855Birds and fish, sure. But if there's no land bridge, terrestrial animals are mostly endemic.
>>59108824No.Dexit shills usually argue against Gen 5.If they're still available in-game, it's not less content by definition. You're just impatient.
>>59108842Maybe if they wanted the game to feel newer they shouldn't have rehashed the gameplay and exact same story beats for a 5th time in a row
>>59108780>New games should only give you access to new Pokemon in post-game.Want to try that again?
>>59108780No, fuck Unova for doing this
>>59108899Why?There needs to be some consistency in gameplay or it doesn't feel like a Pokémon game anymore.Stop trying to fix what isn't broken.
>>59108913>Why?Why flood the game with shitty nudesigns instead of just including old Pokemon?
>>59108780>I'm a big dumb moron
>>59108960Only Johto and Kanto are canonically adjacent and connected, the rest are separate and should be treated as such
>>59108916Because it shakes up your options without changing the game at its core?Why even play a new Pokémon game if you aren't willing to engage with the new Pokémon?Are you really the kind of boring faggot who uses the same Pokémon is every playthrough?And are you really so picky that you can't even build a team of six out the new Pokémon?
>>59108780Ruby is from goldenrod city. The protagonist is literally out of place to begin with, and his dad is also a normal type gym leader. Gen 3 was next to a complete shitshow if not for the manga and mystery dungeon.
>>59108960There are 8 separate species of "bear".Please specify.
>>59108780They tried that, but normalfags got mad they had to wait until they beat to game to use Charizard and Pikachu from KANTOOOOOOOOOOOO>>59108824What content is Gen 5 missing, unlike modern games?I'm still not buying Sword and Shield, by the way.
>>59108913Because it shakes up the game in a meaningful way instead of forcing the player to play the exact the same slop except with an ugly reskin?Why even play a new Pokemon game if you aren't willing to engage with existing Pokemon?Are you really the kind of boring faggot who needs to collect 8 badges exactly like Kanto every playthrough?And are you really so picky you can't even build a team of six out of the old Pokemon?
>>59108989>What content is Gen 5 missing,battle frontiertrainer customizationberry farmingpokeradarsecret basescontestsribbon collectinga useful bottom screen
>>59108993>Because it shakes up the game in a meaningful way instead of forcing the player to play the exact the same slop except with an ugly reskin?So you admit that you dislike the Pokémon games. Okay.>Why even play a new Pokemon game if you aren't willing to engage with existing Pokemon?Newer stuff is more exciting than same-old same-old. Also see below.>Are you really the kind of boring faggot who needs to collect 8 badges exactly like Kanto every playthrough?Honestly, yeah. If I want to play something that isn't Pokémon, I'll just play something that isn't Pokémon. Instead of wanting to force a square peg into a round hole.>And are you really so picky you can't even build a team of six out of the old Pokemon?Mostly because I've already used them before and want to try out a new team.If I want to use the old Pokémon, I can always play the older games.
>>59109005>battle frontierNot in base Diamond/Pearl either, and replaced by PWT in Black2/White2 >trainer customizationWas that even a thing back then?
>>59108780Gen 3 had the right idea of showing off only new guys for the first few areas of the game. Gens after that did it either too much or not enough
>>59108798Bears should live anywhere but Wyoming. No soul deserves to live in Wyoming
>>59108976>Because it shakes up your options without changing the game at its core?So you admit that you dislike the Pokémon games. Okay.>Why even play a new Pokémon game if you aren't willing to engage with the new Pokémon?Older stuff is more exciting than shitty new designs. Also see below.>Are you really the kind of boring faggot who uses the same Pokémon is every playthrough?Honestly, yeah. If I want to play something that isn't Pokémon, I'll just play something that isn't Pokémon. Instead of wanting to force a square peg into a round hole.>And are you really so picky that you can't even build a team of six out the new Pokémon?Mostly because they look fucking ugly and I want to try out older favorites.If I want to use ugly designs, I can always play different franchises.
>>59109114this
>>59108780Why doesnt it make sense?Plenty of animal species are found all over the planetWhat wouldn't make sense is your shitty idea. Especially for neighbouring regions.
>>59108842The lack of older mons to help the new ones blend in is the reason why the Gen 5 dex felt so off
>>59108842>new PokemonYou mean expies of old mons, so nothing actually felt new once you got past the visuals?You're still running into>a common bird>a common rodent>a cat>a dog>an electric rodent that stores electricity in its cheeks>a passive-looking bug and an aggressive poisonous bug>bats and rocks>a psychic tapir based on the mythical baku>a water duck>a dragon type that starts off piss weak and only gets good at an obscenely high level you won't naturally get to during the campaign despite one of the final fights of the game using it against you>a pair of humanoids with opposing fighting styles>a creature that disguises itself as Poke Balls>a metal construct that multiplies as it evolves>an elemental equine>a rare normal type who gives a large amount of EXP>a monstrous humanoid that's often associated with construction work>a mon with ties to spirituality who carries a remnant of a past life and cries about it all the time before getting over it and evolving>a pair of fossils>a living embodiment of human pollution>a jellyfish that's in every ocean route>an eccentric little weirdo that's thought to come from space>a lategame bull
It's too much to ask to have 150 new designs each generation for nu game freak. They already struggle with making less than 100 look anywhere near presentable and that's with years of time to do it. Then there's the issue of having too little options in the regional dex leading to same team syndrome. It's not realistic and imo the next best thing is to have a very carefully curatated dex of 200-300 that makes sense in world building and balance. I don't think there's any kind of logical inconsistency with the same pokemon existing in other regions, but the alternate forms are a great way of expressing it though the identity of the original mon gets a bit lost when that happens. Also note that when the location did change from Japan for the first time to somewhere far away that is when the entire dex changed so that also worked well to explain it
>>59109818It doesn't help that there's so many genuinely good guaranteed ins that it often feels like you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel to not fall back onto old habits.>Eeveelutions for most type needs>Lucario as the always-viable fighter who can run whatever the fuck you want>Gyarados to rape everything as per usual and takes literally zero effort to get>Raichu's been a fun pick ever since Surf became a mainstay of Pikachu's kit>Magnezone if you need something bulkier than Raichu>Gengar as the quintessential ghost, especially now that they're regularly making it findable in the wild or as a raid boss>a strong rotation of psuedos galore, but this time you don't have to put any effort into raising them thanks to EXP All and EXP Candies and the levels usually get high enough that you'll see the final form and get to use it in time for the endgame and have guaranteed usability in DLC>weather setters like Pelipper and Torkoal are evergreen if you want to run a themed team or otherwise rape the already easy campaign even more>Lycanroc is basically guaranteed at all times because otherwise they have to give Accelerock to another mon to keep the move in circulation, thereby opening the floodgates>Ralts line and Snorunt line are guaranteed to give the Dawn Stone a purpose>Dusk Stone guarantees some combination of Aegislash, Mismagius, Honchkrow and ChandelureAnd probably plenty more.
>>59108780The most new Pokemon we've gotten is 156 and even that felt like a small amount in BW. Ideally dexes should have around 300-400 mons.
>>59108780Ecologically? I don't see why it wouldn't make sense. In terms of game design? I think a blend is ideal. Gen V showed many fans feel alienated and GF has to design replacement Pokémon that don't add much. By blending in old Pokémon with new ones, you get to design the new ones with more attention and love without having to worry about Dex filler. But you don't want a situation where players aren't encouraged to use the region-exclusive and new mon either, so you have to make sure the new mon are not only usable but worth going out of your way to catch and train.
>>59109005>battle frontierPWT, Battle Subway, Battle Institute, White Treehollow/Black Tower, Pokéstar Studios>trainer customizationNot necessary. No one gave a shit until we got it. Even then, you could choose your trainer class on your Trainer Card, which changed how you appeared to other players>berry farmingIt was replaced with- Wild Pokémon with held berries- Pick Up giving you berries- Rangers giving you berries everyday- Join Avenue in BW2 giving you a way to buy them.- Entralink Missions and Funfest Missions giving you berries as rewards- Dream World (though that's a separate app so it gets an asterisk (*))>pokeradarNo one cares about it except for shiny hunters. Even then, we got replacements, shaking grass, seasonal encounters and hidden grottos>secret basesJoin Avenue + DreamWorld>contestsMusicals (unfortunately worse), and Pokéstar Studios >ribbon collectingI honestly don't give a fuck. BW2 had medals at least, and they were way harder to obtain and you actually knew when you got them>a useful bottom screenGen 5 has a very useful bottom screen.1. All the menus were moved to the bottom screen, accessed by clicking X.2. Wireless, Infrared and Entralink features.
>>59109035BW introduced the ability to choose your trainer class, which altered your appearance in multiplayer features. Though HGSS had the rocket outfit for two minutes. I believe GSC had it too, but I don't think it changed your overworld sprite
>>59109941Nah, the Rocket Outfit was a HGSS addition. In GSC you just stormed the Radio Tower and fought all the grunts without giving a fuck.
>>59109927Never heard of any of that
>>59109927Good job proving >>59108824 right, sagie.
>>59108780I don’t think that works too well. Both Kanto and Unova had to cut corners in some regards even with the 150 ish new pokemon regional dexes. Kanto had certain types with barely anything, and Unova had to limit its gym leaders to 3 pokemon and elite 4 to four to try and keep things unique. Not to mention how plasma couldn’t even afford to have admin fights until bw2. >>59108985I believe that’s the brown bear range/ former range map
>>59108780I think for Gens I-IV it's fine and I think with Gen V they might've considered it somewhat justified since they were basing it off a part of the world so far away from where the previous regions were set.If you wanted to keep things in line with that reasoning then Kalos should've been mostly new Pokemon with a few Gen V Pokemon to represent the colonies' ties with France, but largely been just Gen VI Pokemon. Alola would also be largely independent but have a scattering of Gen I, II and III Pokemon and maybe a few Gen V Pokemon but no Gen IV or VI Pokemon. Galar would have a lot of Gen VI Pokemon present and probably more Gen V Pokemon than Kalos or Alola did but still not the majority. And Paldea would have a decent amount of Gen VI and VIII Pokemon although less than the overlap between Gen VI and Galar given the increased distance and Aquitaine not being represented by Kalos.Gen X's region under this logic would have to be another largely new dex with few old Pokemon, maybe a few Gen I-IV Pokemon but that's kinda it, I don't remember the specifics of Indonesian/Malaysian history so the presence of Gen VI, VIII or IX Pokemon may be minimal or non existent.
>>59108780You made this thread just to post this new shitty shorthand for Wind and Waves
>>59108780Why are you using Hoenn as your example image? Game Freak was very measured when dispersing older Pokémon into Hoenn ‐ most of what you see are ubiquitous creatures such as bats and aquatic lifeforms, and any older Pokémon that didn't make sense on the landscape were reserved for the Safari Zone. They literally had a place you could visit in-game to catch exotic Pokémon, because they were accounting for things like endemism when designing the region.It's only in the later generations that the dispersal is heavy-handed. Hundreds of Pokémon, divorced from their original context, scattered around the open world to fill in the map. Just look at the trailer for Winds/Waves: why is Tympole in the new region? Slugma? Duskull? It's one of the most immersion-breaking elements of the Switch-era games, and it has a large role to play in why those games feel "soulless."
>>59108780>fanfic writers always headcanon that Kanto and Johto went to war with eachother because Lt Surge has that one line>what if instead Lt Surge was covert ops and introduced geodudes, abras and oddish into the wildlife of hoenn and sinnoh to devastate their nosepass, ralts and roselia populations?Am I onto something kino?
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>>59110353>it breaks my immersion when pokemon are in a pokemon game
>>59110613Epic win
>>59108866Cats, dogs, rats, mice, the Safari zone, plants dispersing seeds, releasing species into the wild, the fact that Poke-Japan is likely connected via land.
>>59108780Wacky Wacers?
Yeah gen v did this right. I hate seeing the same shitmons in every game. The regional forms are also a very good answer to this and it’s how real life animals are, not being exactly the same in each reguion
>>59110748>and it’s how real life animals are, not being exactly the same in each reguionYou'll see plenty of 100% similar animals in France, NYC, Britain, Spain and JapanPigeons, flies, rats, cats, dogs...
>>59108780>WaWit's WnWv
In terms of the environment, Pokemon can spread to different regions even easier than real animals because of people's technology. The Poke Transfer system is the in-universe explanation for the Pokedex expansion in Unova. Kalos or Alola are tourist destinations in universe with NPCs bringing Pokemon from everywhere else. The scientists and PC guys are also friends with each other and share Pokemon data.It made some sense to make Unova feel like a foreign city since it was the first game outside of Japan. But I think this was a one time thing unless there is demand for it.
