Are people just being stupid on purpose and not knowing you need to run Giga Drain over Synthesis and Solar Beam on Meganium?Bro, literally, it allows you to free up a fucking slot for Earthquake or Ancient Power.
>>59118673>Ancient PowerLmao
>>59118673>New ability to always have sun buffs whenever it wants>Lets just not use them at all
>>59118673retard
>>59118688>plsplspls mr opponent!!!! let me use synthesis!!! I neeeed it!!
>>59118687What else are you going to use against Charizard?
>>59118673There is zero advantage to using Giga Drain. You have an instantly charging Solar Beam and a Synthesis that restores 2/3rds. Then Weather Ball. Then for the last slot, your choice of Earth Power or Dazzling Gleam.
>>59118712The Switch button
>>59118720Does fire weather ball get the sun boost or not?
>>59118720Does it even learn those two moves?
Here's what shills aren't telling you.MeganiumJoly252 Atk, 252 SpeedTrailblaze,Solar BladeSynthesisEarthquakeYou're welcome.
>>59118724If sun is actually up, yesOtherwise it's a 100 BP Fire move
>>59118734No waaay, lmaaaaaaao.This shit fucking sucks.
>>59118734Ooooh, okay, so Meg’s ability just makes it’s move act like the sun is up, it doesn’t actually give it the sun boost? If it could learn flamethrower it wouldn’t get boosted? I think I get it now.
>>59118734So wait, water moves don't get nerfed in case it gets one in the future?
>>59118673>Just run a 75 BP that only heals a partial amount of HP based on how much damage you do!>Don’t run the free guaranteed 67% recovery and the 120 BP no drawback grass move!>Also run Earthquake on a special attacker that already has Earth Power and I already suggested running a weak special attackAre you ok?
>>59118729It does in ZA.
>>59118746>Mega Meganium>FreeIt's quad weak to Gengar.
>>59118734>>59118738That’s only Showdown’s implementation. Since Smogon is run by high functioning autistic people, they can’t assume Mega Sol boosts Fire moves by 50% because of how Utility Umbrella works with Solar Beam.
>>59118751Cool, I didn't know that.Did Feraligatr get any steel move worth using as coverage?
>>59118741We don't actually know for sure, people are speculating that's how it works because the way damage is ordinarily calculated, the boost to fire moves applies if the target is under sun, not the user. That's how the Utility Umbrella works.
>>59118757No.
>>59118768how the fuck is this possible? It used to learn Iron Tail, I remember using it in Pokémon Gold, but somehow can't learn that shit anymore.
>>59118708ah yeah, because if your opponent is such a counter to the grass type I'm sure that Giga Drain will heal more than 2/3 of your HP off of them
>>59118752Giga Drain ain't doing shit to Gengar. Have fun with your 2HP heal
>>59118772They nerfed Iron Tail's distribution in SV and ZA for some reason. Bunch of mons that could learn it as a TM or egg move no longer can.
>>59118781Have fun swittching out without acomplishing nothing.Giga Drain with a 140 base sp attack does its job. You're freeing up your moveset for big boy moves. Moves to actually support the rest your team and threaten Gengar or Volcarona.
>>59118772Old gen moves were removed in SV and some moves weren’t brought back as TMs
>>59118741>>59118760Based on Showdown’s source code, here is how Rain/Sun affect damage.onWeatherModifyDamage(damage, attacker, defender, move) { if (defender.hasItem('utilityumbrella')) return; if (move.type === 'Water') { this.debug('rain water boost'); return this.chainModify(1.5); } if (move.type === 'Fire') { this.debug('rain fire suppress'); return this.chainModify(0.5); } },This is the code for Rain.Essentially this function checks first checks if the target is holding Utility Umbrella, which case it exits the function with no change.Next it checks the type of the move where it modifies the damage chain (all the modifiers in damage calcs like STAB).While we don’t know how Mega Sol 100% will work in Champion’s source code, it is safe to say that it should just redirect the user’s act modifier to the Sun section in the code.
>>59118734that's inconsistent with how mega sol's local weather is demonstrated to work in the trailer, where solar beam assumes sun is up otherwise it wouldn't KO politoed due to the rain. it's also not how the utility umbrella's local weather works either, as weather ball remains normal type under that item.smogon is a bunch of fucking retards.
>>59118808Do we have confirmation weather ball becomes fire type?
ITT: people pretending to be retarded
>>59118808The logic Smogon uses is that Utility Umbrella keeps Solar Beam’s power at 120 as well, and it’s also why they don’t let Mega Sol use Fire moves against Primordial Sea too since Utility Umbrella doesn’t either (even though neither have been in the same game).
>>59118813not as of yet, but given that meganium's solar beam ignores the rain's 50% power reduction it can be inferred that mega sol is active all the way through damage calculation. thus weather ball would be fire type unless they specifically went in to the damage formula and added an exception solely for mega sol, which is possible but unlikely.
>>59118822if they're operating under utility umbrella logic which is itself retarded because game freak is literally saying to our faces that sun is considered up for meganium, weather ball should be normal type for meganium. if i go use it on showdown, it's fire type. retarded.
