What the hell was this? It was so far out of left field, and they never really explained it.
>>59120028Gamefreak needs to think of a new gimmick every generation since they backed themselves into a corner instead of actually adding incremental improvements to their games.
>>59120028Don't think about it too hard. Gamefreak didn't.It's just an excuse to redesign some old Pokemon.
>>59120028pokemon from the past and future. the climax of the base game were about them
>>59120028It's the best idea Gamefreak has had in a long time. What was there to explain? Scientist creates time machine/alternate reality machine, and catches Pokemon from the other side. So fucking kino.
>>59120028>never really explained it... except for the part where the professor says they are pokemon from other timelines. Retard.
>>59120028Who cares? They look cool.
>>59120028They’re megas for Pokémon that were too much of flops to be megas or they already got a mega and game freak couldn’t think of a design for the mega so they just made it a robot or a flintstones.
>>59120028We can all agree that the past paradox Pokemon generally look much better than the future ones, right?
They never explained what was so special about the raidons, why they're so powerful or why the time machine couldn't pull more than two.
>>59120028Off-brand UBs
>>59120028They all fucking suck
>>59120421Agreed.As much as I hate the concept, as the most useless they ever made, at least past ones had a re-design idea behind them. While future ones are all "just make it a robot".
>>59120421Yes. The could been more creative with genwsplicing and other scientific breakthroughs. Iron Valiant at least has the fusion aspect going for it.
>>59120028Doppelgangers from alternate universes. They're cryptids, basically UBs but based on other Pokemon from different dimensions that ultra space
>>59120028Their names are so dumb but I like the designs of the past mons. The only decent future ones are Hands and Valiant.
The games explained it pretty well. The paradox mons are more tame designs than Ultra beasts were.
>>59121212You take that back, Iron Moth is cool.
>>59120028Crazy how you can count the number of good designs here on one hand
>>59120028Pokemon from the distant past or the distant future, as each media outlet explains>>59120439They don't need to do that; I mean, Snackworth explains that legendary Pokémon are extremely rare, they are extraordinary encounters.
>>59120421Yes, although Iron Bundle gets points for being fucking hilarious
>>59120028from the past and the future these are temporal paradoxes, hence their name
>>59121692>timecuck>doesn't know what paradox meansOf course
>>59121973I know what a paradox is, and there are different types of paradoxes. I'm simply considering the context, because the name alone can mean everything and nothing.
>>59120028> What the hell was this?The same as this
>>59122359except executed worse, somehow. At least some of the UBs were good, unique designs.
The real disappointment of the Paradoxes is how underwhelming Cyclizar is compared to the cover legendaries. Like, it's so obvious it was made after they were. It should've been the pseudo so it can have more of an identity than being the region's bike that the player can't use.
>>59120421>good past monsgreat tusk, scream tail, flutter mane, slither wing, walking wake>good future monsiron valiant, iron mothyeah past got the better end of the deal
>>59120028Because if they explain it, they stop being paradoxes, and have to reclassify their species, which is something the Pokemon franchise has never done before.
>>59122359Absolutely not, It's like saying Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde are the same as Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza because they're a trio of box art with the same color scheme. But the themes, powers, symbolism, and words used are different.
>>59120028How many times do they have to repeat it for it to be understood?
>>59123494>Guise trust me suicune used to be a dinosaur lol
>>59123494Yes, but are they from the future and past of THIS timeline, or ANOTHER timeline's past and future?That's the problem. The AI was retroactively made an unreliable narrator because their description is different from the description of the professor at the Crystal Pool, and it's also assumed the AI Professor had ulterior motives in getting (You) to fulfill the time loop in order to pragmatically ensure every single universe's Paldea is saved by that universe's version of (You), but the real professor is ALSO an unreliable narrator because they've yet to actually bring a Paradox Pokemon to present day Paldea.
>>59123500The Paradoxes from the past have a dinosaur design, while those from the future are robots. These are popular culture stereotypes from those eras; SpongeBob SquarePants did the same. Nothing surprising for a children's franchise.
>>59123511This "Children franchise" that got a ginger hitler who wanted to genocide pokemon paris
>>59123513>genocideOmnicide, actually. He wanted to eradicate all life, including the necessary sacrifice of killing all Pokemon because they would be too depressed without humanity around (which Pokopia proved him right, Pokemon in a world that used to have humans and now no longer have them are left with a void in their lives that can't be fulfilled).
>>59123504The timeline doesn't matter, because it's never explicitly stated that timelines exist with or without Pokémon Paradoxes.As a reminder, it's specified that there are timelines with or without Mega Evolution, and that Ultra Beasts are exclusive to another world and are not encountered in ours. Regarding Pokémon Paradoxes, it's simply stated that they don't belong in the present day.Legends Arceus is in a different timeline than Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl, Scarlet, Violet... Black is in a different timeline than Black 2, and Z-A is in a different timeline than X and Y. This doesn't prevent them from being part of the same continuity and following each other chronologically. We've already seen Cyrus, other Legendary Pokémon, and characters from other timelines; that doesn't mean they don't exist in our timeline. Especially since the explanation comes from a professor who hasn't even finished his time machine, has never seen a Paradox Pokemon, hasn't completed his research, nor done any experiments.
>>59123530>Legends Arceus is in a different timeline than(...) Platinum,No, actually. Arceus is explicitly a prequel to Platinum. The whole point of Volo teaming up with Giratina to try and remake the universe in their ideal image is so (You), Arceus's chosen, can whoop their asses and force Giratina to get its shit together by reminding it of its noble divine purpose.That's why in Platinum, when Cyrus tries the same thing with Red Chaining Dialga and Palkia, instead of Giratina showing up and going "HOLY SHIT FINALLY, SOMEONE WANTS TO REMAKE THIS DOGSHIT UNIVERSE, BRO YOU WANT HELP WITH THAT?" it fucking snatches Cyrus into the Distortion World and, after (You) chase after him to make sure he doesn't try to catch Giratina, he's effectively pacified (despite insisting he still wants to make a world without emotion) because he's now trapped him in a dimension devoid of anything except himself (since Giratina fucks off to either join your party or await you in Turnback Cave), where he can be left alone to his thoughts and the endless curiosity of a dimension where everything doesn't make sense, but actually does once you start to understand the Distortion World's twisted logic, something to appeal to his autistic mind for the rest of his living days.
>>59123513You're in denial. Just because you don't like reality doesn't mean you have to be disingenuous.Especially since when I talk about children's licenses, I'm using it to justify the fact that designs tend to follow popular culture stereotypes in their inspiration. The fact that the box art for Sun and Moon features a solar lion and a lunar bat isn't a coincidence. These are also stereotypical animal species associated with those celestial bodies.Given how the character of Lysandre was written, there's nothing shocking about it. No racism, no concentration field, no violence—it's just an extremely sanitized message to raise awareness about resource scarcity and the need to save humanity. The character even cries at the thought of wiping out Pokémon.Especially since it's common to have "villains" who want to destroy or dominate the world in children's franchises.
>>59123539I clearly stated that it's part of the chronological continuity of those games, but that doesn't change the fact that the game itself takes place in a different timeline, and that's perfectly fine. There's no Kyogre in Ruby, but that doesn't make Sapphire a timeline where Groudon doesn't exist. Even if things always take place in different timelines, they're still canon and part of the same continuity, and even if an element doesn't appear, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. UNLESS the game explicitly states that it doesn't exist in the timeline.
>>59123504> The AI was retroactively made an unreliable narrator because their description is different from the description of the professor at the Crystal Pool>but the real professor is ALSO an unreliable narrator because they've yet to actually bring a Paradox Pokemon to present day Paldea.You just answered your own question. The real professor isn't reliable for objective reasons:Has never seen or studied a Paradox PokémonHasn't finished his time machine, his research on Terastal, or conducted any tests on itThe AI is described as unreliable because its dialogue differs from the real professor's, who is unreliable because his research isn't finished. Except the AI possesses all the knowledge; it has completed its research. A reliable individual who knows the truth will inevitably have a different perspective than an unreliable individual who is mistaken.And no, the AI isn't trying to close a loop to save the universe. It's more lucid; it explained that the Paradox Pokémon are too dangerous and threaten to leave Area Zero. This is common sense, given that it realized the real professor's objective was too dangerous for Pokemon and humans of Paldean after analysis.
>>59123578>given that it realized the real professor's objective was too dangerous for Pokemon and humans of Paldean after analysis.Yes, and the AI likely recognized if what truly inspired the original professor to keep going with their research was a chance encounter with a child from another world, who came accompanied with the Winged King/Iron Serpent as if they had leapt straight out of Heath's book (and even passed on the name Koraidon/Miraidon to the professor), then this NEW child accompanied by Koraidon/Miraidon is most certainly THIS world's version of that very same child.Thus, because the AI is a pragmatic, logical entity who only wants the best for everyone and everything, in order to make up for the professor's mistakes, recognizes that if it does not help this child eventually recreate the encounter with another world's professor, then an unquantifiable number of other worlds may be doomed since it isn't subscribing to the stable timeloop that ensured the child the native world's professor met was able to get far enough to meet the professor,
>>59123582You're forgetting that the AI doesn't recognize the player. They're "chosen" because they're Koraidon/Miraidon's partner and skilled in Pokémon battles. Furthermore, Heath's notes demonstrate that memory loss occurs and that we can only rely on the notes we've retained.
>>59123593>You're forgetting that the AI doesn't recognize the player.Or they were feigning ignorance to avoid terrifying the player character by acting as if they knew who they were. They instead softened their recognition by recognizing that Koraidon/Miraidon had bonded heavily with them, the same way it seemed when the real professor met the child with Koraidon/Miraidon.
>>59123598However, in my post, I reminded you that characters who interact with Terapagos in this way eventually lose their memory and they feel like they've been dreaming. Therefore, it makes sense that he doesn't recognize the player, as it's impossible for him to remember them.
>>59123605>characters who interact with Terapagos in this way eventually lose their memory and they feel like they've been dreaming.I ignored this because I had hoped you knew that the professor does not consider their chance encounter a dream, because they show vivid recollection of their encounter, remembered that the child from another world used the name Koraidon/Miraidon and thus started using it themselves.There's a journal in the Area Zero Underdepths where they recount this moment.>While investigating the hidden treasure, I found myself transported to a great height, near a lake that smelled of sulfur. Based on temperature and humidity, I believe it to have been the eastern lands I've read about before. And there, a child gave me a white volume.Nothing about this journal indicates they believe they were dreaming or had memory issues when contextualized with everything else we know about the professor.
>>59120421>like miraidon ride more then koraidon>have to be stuck with the robots in exchange
>>59123546Same "Child franchise" that talked about a man who commited a genocide because his fairy died in a war
>>59123682>children can't handle the concept of warHow do you think all those families during wartime handled their kids when daddy had to go fight for his country and never came back home?
>>59123688>>children can't handle the concept of war Childrens can't handle 5 minutes without watching youtube kids brainrot
>>59123617The player is sent back to bed to emphasize this point, and Healths' notes are clear on this. There's no reason to think the AI remembers the player's exact identity, as nothing indicates it recognizes them in the game. The fact that it chose the player is easily explained: they became Korai/Miraidon's partner, and they're also the strongest trainer at the academy. Especially since the reason he wanted to stop the time machine was justified: it's because the Paradox Pokémon are too dangerous for local ecosystems. Here, you're just trying to invent explanations for things whose reasons we already know and which are impossible given the context.The comparison to a dream is apt. Generally, we forget everything, or at best, we have extremely vague memories where we only vaguely recall the main points. For example, receiving a white book from a child.
>>59123682How does mentioning a war, or having a villain who wants to destroy the world, contradict the "child's franchise" concept?We've reached the point where people want us to believe that Pokémon's target audience isn't children, even though they're doing everything they can to attract them.
>>59123694>The player is sent back to bed to emphasize this point, and Healths' notes are clear on this.The player character isn't stated to have forgotten the events. You also LOSE Briar's book and KEEP the Scarlet/Violet Book, implying that there's even less incentive to interpret the events as a dream for both player and professor. Heath only believed it to be a dream because he met an alternate version of himself, and they exchanged notes. It's an infinitely more surreal scenario to meet an alternate version of YOURSELF so I can't blame Heath for thinking he must have dreamed it all, especially when his only evidence is his own handwriting, compared to the player and professor who left their respective exchanges with a book they no longer had, and a new book they DID have.>b-but even if YOU remember, the player character DID forget, because they don't tell Arven where they got the book from!Why would the player character go out of their way to depress Arven all over again with the knowledge of "hey, I encountered an alternate version of your mom/dad before they went schizo and died, they gave me a book :D"? He made it clear he's trying to move on from the tragedy and doesn't need a reminder.>There's no reason to think the AI remembers the player's exact identity, as nothing indicates it recognizes them in the game.I'm not saying they literally recognize the player on the spot, I'm saying they recognize the player as this world's equivalent of the mysterious child with Koraidon/Miraidon that the professor met, received Briar's book from, and subsequently chronicled in their journal in the Underdepths before being motivated to keep working on the Time Machine because they were just granted living proof that their Time Machine WILL work, otherwise there's no conceivable way Koraidon/Miraidon could have been standing beside the child since they did not interpret the events as a dream.
>>59123707>The comparison to a dream is apt. Generally, we forget everything, or at best, we have extremely vague memories where we only vaguely recall the main points. For example, receiving a white book from a child.The professor's journals aren't exactly known for being in-depth and often leave out a lot of details, or even redacting details in post.The very first journal entry in Research Station No. 1 is the professor deducing that Terastal is linked to Terapagos, but then they decide to redact Terapagos's name because Terapagos's existence is still contentious among the scientific community due to Heath's controversial book, and it wouldn't look good on the professor to make such a claim without proof Terapagos exists.They also don't chronicle the miracle that is the creation of the AI professor, they just jump from "man, I wish I had someone likeminded" to "my new assistant is great! a bit rigid, but productive".
>>59123707>>59123707They won't say the player forgot, because the human behind the screen will never forget. But if he goes back to bed, it's precisely to echo Health's notes about the dreamlike sensation and the associated memory loss. No, Health didn't encounter an alternate version of himself; you're making it up.He didn't tell Arven anything because, like Health and the professor, he was experiencing a dreamlike state and his memories were very hazy, bordering on amnesia.It's actually common for Game Freak to do this. Ingo lost his memory, Mohn forgot everything, and so on.He doesn't recognize him and has almost no memory of it. There are objective reasons why the player was chosen by the AI, and it has nothing to do with the encounter at the lake, which he barely remembers.
>>59123894>No, Health didn't encounter an alternate version of himself; you're making it up.>"During our exploration of Area Zero's depths, I—Heath—strayed from the team and was later found unconscious. When awoken, I could only recall speaking with someone in an unfamiliar place, as if in a dream. I was found holding the page shown here. The handwriting is my own, but I have no memory of writing this."I don't know how else I'm supposed to interpret "Heath woke up holding a page full of shit he didn't write but recognizes as his handwriting" when we know on an objective level Terapagos and the Tera Crystals it creates are capable of summoning things from other worlds. Why even have the mysterious "someone" be a part of the odd occurrence if they aren't the root origin of Heath's mystery page? A mislead for shits and giggles? Fuck off, mate.>He didn't tell Arven anything because, like Health and the professor, he was experiencing a dreamlike state and his memories were very hazy, bordering on amnesia.You just said "they can't have the player character forget because the player will never forget." If this was truly the intention that the player character forgot, then there should have been a text box that pops up when you load up the game that says something along the lines of "How strange... you don't remember returning to your dorm."The whole point of you returning to the title screen and loading back into your dorm is because they want to show the new title graphic, a different time of day, different music and most importantly, the book now sitting at the desk again.>It's actually common for Game Freak to do this. Ingo lost his memory, Mohn forgot everything, and so on.So why not tell it outright that the player character was given amnesia? They already force the player character to go along with Carmine's lie that devastates Kieran and sets him on his antagonistic arc, so they clearly don't care about player agency if it's for the sake of a narrative.
>>59123894>>59124005>He doesn't recognize him and has almost no memory of it. There are objective reasons why the player was chosen by the AI, and it has nothing to do with the encounter at the lake, which he barely remembers.Yet the professor remembers enough to dub Winged King/Iron Serpent as Koraidon/Miraidon, a conclusion they have no reason to come to unless they remembered their fated encounter with the child who basically taught them their dream can be made reality. They very fucking clearly remember the encounter and decided to name the lizard of their greatest fantasies after the name the child told them as a form of sentimentality towards that memory.It's also true the AI chose the player on objective merits (bonded with Koraidon/Miraidon, eventually shows incredible battling talent). But the AI also specifically makes sure the player is able to explore the Area Zero Underdepths to unearth Terapagos, a Pokemon that the professor knows exists with certainty at that stage, so that they may use its power to recreate the event that sets the next world's events into motion, as a consistent pattern is a pattern worth pursuing if it ensures Paldea's ecology is preserved in not just this world, but the next world, and countless worlds going forward after that.
>>59124015>>59124190The AI has no connection to the player's exploration into the depths of Area Zero. If that was its goal, it would have done so before disappearing; however, it is thanks to Briar that we go there, and she is not complicit with the professor. You're inventing intentions for the AI; its goal was simply to protect Paldea by stopping the time machine because the Paradoxes Pokémon would eventually break through the barrier and destroy the ecosystm. And only an incredibly powerful trainer could defeat the protocol because he analyzed the battles of the most powerful trainers, alongside the legendary Pokémon that wasn't affected by the Poké Ball block. Access to Aera Zero is forbidden, as it is considered too dangerous. Only powerful trainers can access it, most often in groups.
>>59120028Decent idea with atrocious execution.Imagine if the past Paradox forms were more like the theropod Suicune, sauropod Raikou and ceratopsid Entei (dinosaurs/some other extinct creature with design elements of modern mons instead of just "modern mon but caveman").The future Paradox mons are less salvageable, but I think they could've done something better than just "modern mon but it's a robot" by remixing stuff like what Iron Valiant did. Some anon suggested that they could've referenced Dougal Dixon's speculative evolution work (which is apparently popular in Japan) and I've been pissed off at the missed opportunity ever since. Imagine a robot Crobat that looks like the night stalker.
back then i never got past the first island in sm and i used to think the UB were aliens who replaced lusamine and the rest and pretended to be humans amongst us
>>59124005He met someone, but we don't know who. However, this absolutely does NOT imply that it's his alternate version, his past self, or anything like that. He had lost his memories, and as a reminder, the goal of the expedition is to take as many notes as possible! So it's normal that he might have written something without remembering it if he lost his memory, because that's how they created the book, which is an expedition journal.The omission of the phrase doesn't mean he still has his memories, especially when they have the player return to their bed to echo the events of Health, when they could have simply left us at the lake. And since the AI possessing the Professor's memories doesn't recognize us, and the player never mentions what happened, it makes sense.Ingo has lost his memory; this isn't specified for the Legends player because it serves no purpose. It doesn't mean he's retained all his memories.You're wasting your time; the only unreliable narrator is the real professor in the lake who lacked knowledge.
>>59124211They could have done better, I agree. However, they chose to follow the stereotypes that ancient Pokemon are necessarily dinosaurs, larger than modern Pokemon. And Pokémon from the future are necessarily small machines, because technology tends to reduce the size of machines ever further.
>>59124218>Ingo has lost his memory; this isn't specified for the Legends player because it serves no purpose.So you agree the SV protagonist didn't get amnesia from Terapagos dicking around or they would have directly stated it, because it would SERVE THE NARRATIVE TO TELL THE PLAYER WHAT HAPPENED, and are only not telling Arven out of respect for the fact they don't want to remind him of his trauma he's trying to get over, which therefore ALSO means the professor likely didn't have amnesia either based on the fact they remembered that the mysterious child with Koraidon/Miraidon told them that Koraidon/Miraidon is called Koraidon/Miraidon, inspiring the professor to call them THAT instead of Winged King/Iron Serpent, as was supposed to be based on the occulture by which drew from Heath's discoveries.
>>59124229Gary is a past paradox pokemon lmao
Wtf is there to explain? It’s a kiddie game, move on
>>59124199>If that was its goal, it would have done so before disappearing; however, it is thanks to Briar that we go there, and she is not complicit with the professor.And the professor had Briar's book, so they knew who Briar was. They knew Briar would explore Area Zero eventually, because if not now, then in the future, so that extends to the AI as well. The AI correctly deduced that if Briar's book confirms Terapagos's existence, and the Tera Crystals of Area Zero are the reason the AI even exists to begin with, then by saving Paldea, the mysterious child with Koraidon/Miraidon would likely be involved in the return to Area Zero with Briar, and thus, it became imperative to allow Briar's expedition group to enter the Underdepths rather than sealing them away forever, as to ensure Terapagos, who the professor and AI KNOW exist thanks to Briar's book, could set up the events that save another Paldea's ecosystem from certain disaster, which can then go on to save an indefinite amount of other Paldeas in a stable timeloop of events spanning an indefinite amount of worlds.
>>59120407Incorrect and backwards. Many if the new megas added in ZA are actually scrapped paradox mons. Staraptor and Scolipede being notable examples
>>59120028It gave me some concrete evidence that Donphan and Volcarona are shillmons which is nice.
>>59124248>source: my assMore likely, they were winking and nodding at the established connection between Mega Evolution and drawing out dormant genes, as well as its connection to Primal Reversion, by having some new Megas made after Scarlet and Violet deliberately echo could-be Ancient Pokemon, the same way Roaring Moon is a wink and a nod at the idea that Mega Salamence is just a refined version of an Ancient Salamence, which is EXACTLY what Roaring Moon is.
>>59124256>>source: my ass>proceeds to post a wall of fanfictionWew
>>59124230No, I don't agree. Can you stop taking my sentences out of context to invent an opinion I don't have, simply to compensate for your lack of arguments?The protagonist of Legends, Ingo, the professor, Healths, the protagonist of SV, have lost their memories, or at best have extremely vague and imprecise memories because it gave them the same feeling as a dream.The player could have warned Arven, as he is one of the triggers for all the events in SV, which makes him responsible, if only out of respect and loyalty to Arven. However, the player couldn't have known this before experiencing the event. If he didn't mention it, it's because he has no recollection of it, as he went back to bed precisely to illustrate what happened with Health.Given that the professor took notes of the encounter, he could easily have done so for the name Koraidon or Miraidon. This would explain why he remembers the names, but not the player.Furthermore, the White Book could even contain the names of Koraidon/Miraidon, as he intervenes during the expedition to protect them, and the White Book contains an account of the expedition and everything concerning Terastal, Terapagos, and Terastellar. It's just the academy that censored the students' names to maintain their anonymity.
>>59124260I'm not the one claiming my sourceless speculation is gospel though. You spouted your bullshit without citation, and I'm calling you out accordingly for acting as if your fanfiction is fact
>>59124276Oh, I get it. You're an ESL, that's why you keep flipflopping your stances and can't come to incredibly basic conclusions in a children's game based on context clues.Never mind, I can't convince you if you literally can't understand the English language.
>>59124278>I'm not the one claiming my sourceless speculation is gospel thoughYou literally are you fucking inbred >>59120407Holy shit you are so stupid you can't even remember 2 hours ago. Actually laughable.>inb4 "t-that wasnt me"Then read the reply chain before posting you fucking knuckledragger.
>>59124260We know that Mega Evolution relates to the genetics of Pokémon. It is literally the symbol of the mechanics of a branch of DNA, and the source of this mechanics is the life force of Pokémon.When Aerodactyl is revived, its DNA is partially reconstituted. Similarly, Dracovish does not represent the original Pokémon. However, Aerodactyl's Mega Evolution restores its DNA and returns it to the form it had when it lived in prehistoric times. The fact that Roaring Moon resembles Mega Salamence. Given that Salamence is a descendant of Roaring-Moon, it is highly significant that its Mega Evolution draws upon Salamence's dormant genes to bring it closer to a being to whom it is biologically linked, thus reactivating ancient traits.
>>59124292>HURR IF I PREDICT WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO REPLY WITH AN INB4 GREENTEXT I WIN, GET BENT RETARDThat guy didn't make the claim his statement was factual either. It's obvious he was just baiting for someone to get mad enough to reply. And then what do you know? You one-up him on the faggot scale by acting as if your own factitious bullshit is absolute truth without even pretending it's sourced. THAT'S why I leapt in, you looked at a retard and said>hmmm, I can do MORE retarded
>>59124303>He was merely pretending to be retarded and then I, a totally different person, lept to his defense!And then everyone itt clapped.
>>59124310Still haven't sourced your claim that Mega Staraptor and Mega Scolipede are repurposed Paradoxes by the way. I'll wait until this thread dies if I have to.
>>59124283I haven't changed my opinion, retard. I say : >Ingo has lost his memory; this isn't specified for the Legends player because it serves no purpose. IT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S RETAINED ALL HIS MEMORIES.The part in caps is part of the same sentence, but you are deliberately ignoring it.
>>59124315>You need to prove your claim>The guy who says paradoxes are scrapped megas? Oh he was MERELY PRETENDING>The guy who says Mega Salamence was designed with Roaring Moon in mind? Not even gonna reply to him>YOU HOWEVERis now when i reveal the trap card that Staraptor and Scolipede were the only 2 megas I could find who passably look like paradox mons?
i'm not a fan of the way they play, it's like just having fucking surge surf/solar power but better, oh and also here's a busted item that makes you not even need it, fuck you.like that shit isn't even interesting from a gameplay perspective.you can tell they wanted to just shill them badly for vgc because like hell if they'd ever give ultra beasts something like that
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>>59124325>HURF DURF I'M GOING TO DELIBERATELY MISINTERPRET WHAT WAS SAID TO MAKE MYSELF LOOK BETTERGenuine ESL behavior to think what I said translates to>"DURRRRRRRRRRRRR ROARING MOON WAS DESIGNED FIRST AND THEN THEY DESIGNED MEGA SALAMENCE TO LOOK LIKE ROARING MOON AND WAITED EIGHT YEARS TO REVEAL ROARING MOON".No, retard deluxe, what I said was>Mega Evolution has a precedent of being connected to dormant genes; Mega Ampharos, Mega Aerodactyl, the noted connection between Primal Reversion and Mega Evolution, just to note some major examples>Mega Salamence may or may not be one of these mons, but we don't yet know that in the lovely little year of 2014, and GameFreak likely didn't know either because they wanted to leave that idea up in the air for the eventual day they revisited Mega Evolution (because they WERE going to revisit it, they knew this from the very beginning because they need a way to celebrate Kalos's anniversary and make it interesting)>fast forward eight years to SV, where Roaring Moon debuts as a suspiciously Mega Salamence-like Pokemon, and the Pokedex even notes that occulture links it to "a phenomena that happens in a certain region">not only did this serve as a roundabout teaser for Legends: Z-A by referencing Mega Evolution and doing something new with it, it also poses the implication; NOT CONFIRMATION, *IMPLICATION,* that Mega Salamence may very well be another one of these Dormant Gene Megas, if Roaring Moon truly is a genuine Ancient Salamence
>>59124351>what I said was [headcanon]Nice yeah excellent we know. You can calm down now.
>>59124366Yep. But at least I didn't act like it was hard proven fact without citing jack shit!
>>59124369>But at least I didn't act like it was hard proven fact without citing jack shit!Yeah. You certainly didnt do that. You should be proud of what you posted in the thread.
>>59123511This is also the generation that introduced convergent pokemon. Diglett is to wiglett as suicune is to walking waves. They look similar, but are not directly related.They also could simply be a different set of reptilian pokemon revived by Ho-oh.We'll never know.
Dinosaur rawrr
>>59123546>Given how the character of Lysandre was written, there's nothing shocking about it. No racism, no concentration field, no violence—it's just an extremely sanitized message to raise awareness about resource scarcity and the need to save humanity. The character even cries at the thought of wiping out Pokémon.It's honestly more fucked up that he cries rather than just being stoic or cackling through it all. It implies that, like with any real person or realistically written character, there's a moral compass in there somewhere, but he's just so caught up in his own ideology and self-made propaganda that he considers his way the only way even if he dreamed up a bunch of horrible atrocities to commit along the way that he knows are bad. "Safe", "stock" depictions of pop culture caricature villains would not do this. XY isn't about racism like you say, but about class tensions, anyhow. Not like a Pokemon plot could ever really be about racism anyway since they'd have to somehow make it about humans vs Pokemon in that case, in a way that Black/White or Legends Arceus never were.
Paradoxes?Kinoge
>>59124391It's not even about classism in the way you think either, Lysandre's problem is that people are entitled and ungrateful at ALL pillars of society, no matter how fortunate or unfortunate they are.The poor bitch that they don't have enough when they should consider themselves blessed that generous folks like Lysandre are even trying to make things better in the first place, the middle bitch about not being uber-successful because they've been conditioned to yearn for total glitz and glamor thanks to the media, the elite bitch about not being the rulers of the world and not having enough things exclusive to them because they're privileged entitled adult children, it's all the same shit with a different coat of paint no matter where he looked.THAT'S why he completely broke, and it's a very real conflict for someone of his character to have.
>>59124380>Entei Dex : one is born every time a new volcano appears>Raikou Dex : It is said to have fallen with lightning. It can fire thunderbolts from the rain clouds on its back.>Said to be the reincarnation of north winds, it can instantly purify filthy, murky water.They were not created by Ho-Oh; they are incarnations of nature that existed before the events at the tower. And Ho-Oh has the ability to bring dead back to life, not to create Pokémon.They did, however, highlight in orange the most important points to remember. So no, it's not like the convergent evolution.>Mega Evolution awakened some dormant genes, bringing back the sharp rocks that once covered Aerodactyl’s entire body.And as if by chance, Mega-Salamence awakens genes that make him resemble his ancestor Roaring-Moon.
>>59124412Some players dislike the paradox pokémon because of their lazy design. So before, during, and after the dlc, and regardless of the amount of evidence from the games, anime, cards, and so on explaining that the paradox pokémon were brought into the present from the past and future, they will reject it by inventing inconsistencies that don't exist, because they hate it.You just have to accept reality, and then the pokémon paradoxes are cool.
>>59124407And Lysandre in turn is privileged enough that he decides he alone can and should dictate how the world will turn out, and tries to tread the same path as [his implied aristocratic ancestor] and end a bunch of life in one fell swoop, in a vain hope that the elitist richfag assholes he recruited as his lieutenants and his personal lysandrejugend grunts that he previously had tried to uplift from poverty won't repeat the same shit in the future.
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>>59122054>I'm simply considering the contextThe context is that they are from different timelines so it can't be the time paradox you are talking about, timecuck.
>>59124589>Explained once by a character who hasn't finished or tested his time machine and who has never physically seen or studied a Paradox Pokemon in his life.The image is the context you want to deny. Which considers various media, etymology, themes, history, abilities/powers of Paradoxmon and so on.You know that they are called "Ancient/Future Pokemon" and that Ultra Beasts, which are a completely different thing, are mentioned as "Parallel Pokemon" in Teraleak?
>>59124725>but the professor was wro-Nope, not reading the rest of your cope. The professor says exactly the same as the AI in japanese, it's not different, they just translated it properly because we got more context. You lost, cuck.
>>59124736It's the DLC that's poorly translated, because it lacked the explanations about Paradoxmon to provide context.The single Japanese sentence you're referring to has several possible translations, depending on the context.If it were indeed poorly translated in your view, the wiki would mention alternate timelines (which it doesn't), the anime would mention alternate timelines (which it also doesn't), and the TCG would mention an alternate timeline (which it still doesn't).There's no point in making up nonsense just because you don't like the official narrative.
>>59124748Stop replying to him, he's just ragebait spamming "cuck" lmao
>>59120028They're Pokemon brought to the present using the time machine.
>>59124748>it's the DLC that's...Nope, not bothering, I know this cope too and it doesn't work.If you tried to use the translation of the base game ("different points in the timeline") the scene of the crystal pool wouldn't work, that alone proves that's the mistranslated one and "different timelines" is the correct one, you sad retard.
>>59124748>but the wikiHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOOK AT THIS FUCKING RETARD HOLY SHIT
>>59120028I’m mad because they’re gimmick mons on the rarity of legends that’ll never be seen again when some of them are objective upgrades over their base forms. How am I supposed to cope?
>>59123494lmao
>>59125544>>59125420Nope, not bothering, I know this cope too and it doesn't work.The correct translation is "different points in the timeline" because it's a time machine, so it won't do anything other than time travel, just as the AI will do nothing other than be an AI. This also aligns with the anime, TCG, and base game, which emphasize bringing past/future Pokémon into the present. Otherwise, we'd be talking about an alternate future/past being brought into our world (but they do not do that). We are also told that Paradoxmon is exclusive to another timeline and that we cannot find them in our world (but they do not do that), they say that we cannot find them in the present.And these are the words of a professor who hasn't even finished his research.>>59125432If this were the only valid translation, the Japanese wiki would have specified it long ago, but it hasn't. Anyway, the wiki's mention is just the final nail in the coffin, because all the official media outlets are sticking to this. Retard.
>>59125551Arven doesn't even know Terapgos; he has no scientific background whatsoever. He raises a point that remained unanswered. And this is what partly defines the time paradox.Yes, a child was captivated by writings dating back over 200 years, which stimulated his imagination and motivated him to pursue a scientific interest that eventually led to his profession. Nothing remarkable, just a classic path from a passionate guy.You literally have nothing concrete
>>59125559>can't even reply nor quote properly>doesn't even address the issue (probably because he can't read and thus doesn't even understand it)Based retard.
>>59125582You spend your time giving off-topic answers, completely avoiding everything that is mentioned each time, and I don't blame you for that.If you want "parallels Pokemon", you already have them and they are the Ultra Beasts.
>>59120028Still better than ultra boring.
>>59120421Why did volcarona and donphan get two forms?
>>59125509>never been seen againI never even thought of this, that's such a sad thought. They could never justify bringing them back.
>>59125629The species isn't extinct. Anyway, even if we've never seen a future salamence or past hydreigon, that doesn't mean they don't exist. At any moment, in a gen nine remake or legends, game freak could create new ones
>>59120028Simple - Game Freak has become creatively bankrupt and thus tweaked old designs into makeing new Pokemon to hit the 1000 mark
>>59125613>he refuses to address the flagrant flaws of his shitposting, once again because he's too stupid to understand them>worse of all, he "no u"'d me, toolmao okay since you are genuinely too brown to understand it I will give you another chance, the last one.We have two possible translations here, "different timelines" (DLC) and "different points in the timeline" (base game). According to you the DLC mistranslated it and it should be the same as in the base game, not the other way around, so let's see what the professor says from your point of view with your totally accurate translation and see how likely it is to be the correct one.>It’s possible that our encounter might not even be occurring in a point of the timeline connected to my own.Doesn't make sense, if it's all about one timeline it will always be connected. This alone completely destroyed your cope. But I can keep proving you wrong even more.>I am researching methods to catch Pokémon that live in different points of the timeline, so I might transport them to the present day in my own point of the timeline.Again, it makes no sense for them to talk about their own "point of the timeline" and "present" as two separate things, if it was about different time periods of one timeline it would be a far simpler statement than anything they say here, you could delete an entire chunk of the phrase.>It sounds fantastical, no doubt, but I am drafting plans now for a machine that may achieve it. But progress has been slow and beset by failures. I haven’t left my lab in quite some time now... I desperately hope that I might glean some new insight from this conversation, so I can finally make some progress and return home...(1/2)
>>59125710nigger
>>59125613>>59125710(2/2)>I do...have family. A son. He is probably at home right now...>I imagine he must be...quite lonely.Doesn't make sense in general as long we stick to your cope. The base game tells us Koraidon/Miraidon arrived in Paldea as the professor expected their child's birth. Here the professor's child is already born and old enough to be left alone and lonely while the professor, who has never seen a paradox pokemon before, tries to make the machine work to bring them to Paldea.It's completely impossible for this professor to be the same one as the one who died in our timeline. 100% irreconcilable backstories. You lost.But there's more>So we’re at Kitakami’s Crystal Pool, eh? I remember reading about it in certain texts.The DLC mentions a similar event happening to our professor... except our professor didn't know where they were when they meet a certain child with a book that helped them build the machine. Different experiences. Different people.>An exchange, then. Though I hate to part with something so precious to me... Would you consider trading me that book for my copy of the Scalret/Violet Book?If you played the games you would know not all copies of the book are the same, the important one is the professor's treasured childhood copy, that's the one Arven inherited, the one we obtained and the one the AI took with them before disappearing.This professor lost their treasured childhood book in exchange of knowledge to finish the time machine and go back home with their lonely child, once again, our Arven's parent and the professor we meet in the DLC can't possibly be from the same timeline and your skin is the same color as my shit.Not gonna keep feeding you, you know you are wrong now, if you keep crying I will know you are just begging for attention like the shitposter you are. Die alone (just like you lived).
>>59125710>>59125717To add to this, some of the japanese lines>この出会いも 地続きの過去・未来では ないかもしれないNo mention of timelines in general the game simply tells you that encounter doesn't have to be related to past/future, that alone tells you it's a different timeline>異なる時間軸の ポケモンを捕まえて 現代へ 呼びだす……>……そんな 夢のような装置を 作ろうと 計画しているよHere you can have the different timelines vs different points of the same timeline discussion but fun enough the professor calls this time machine a DREAM-like device lmao>だが 研究に 行きづまっていて家にも ずっと 帰れていない>君との会話から 解決の糸口をつかもうと 必死なんだよProf has yet to build the time machine, they are DESPERATE by their own words>今ごろ 家で…… いや今という 言い方は 正しくないか?きっと さみしい{思|おも}いを しているだろうProf's child is alone at home feeling lonely. Before the machine is built. Yup doesnt fit with the base game's story>キタカミの里の てらす池文献で 読んだことが あるThis prof knew they were in Kitakami unlike Arven's parent>私としても 悩ましいが……その本を スカーレットブックと交換というのは どうだろうか?>私としても 悩ましいが……その本を バイオレットブックと交換というのは どうだろうか?The professor didn't want to separate from their special book but they did it in this case>ひさしぶりに 家に帰って読書するのも 悪くない……Professor goes home with their child and new book, different from SV backstory, happy endingTimecucks are retarded
>>59125710>It’s possible that our encounter might not even be occurring in a point of the timeline connected to my own.You're definitely retarded. The context of this sentence is that he's theorizing another possibility, without actually knowing because he says that the possibilities of spacetime are infinite. But on this point, whether the professor comes from another chronology or not, isn't important. I'm talking about Paradoxmon and the time machine.>I am researching methods to catch Pokémon that live in different points of the timeline, so I might transport them to the present day in my own point of the timeline.This sentence finally addresses the topic; it's the only thing in your comment that isn't off-topic. And this is where you're being dishonest. You're adding a detail that doesn't exist in the original Japanese text: "In my own point of the timeline" because it's simply about bringing them back to the present day, and that's all.The base game has all the necessary context about Paradoxmon and the time machine, which allowed the translator to translate it correctly. It is mentioned that these are ancient/futuristic forms, that they have been brought into the present from the past/future, they justify this through behavioral and genetic analysis, they talk about what they are, their primitive or futuristic energy, etc. They also explain what the time machine is and how it works. Doubt is not even conceivable, and that is why the anime, the TCG, and others insist that they come from another era (past or future).Terastal energy is merely an energy source that serves as fuel for more advanced technologies. AI remains a robot with its own functions, and the same is true for the time machine, which by definition is used to perform time travel.
>>59120421Iron Valiant was neat as a represention of both Gallade and Gardevoir. Would have been cool if that was a theme of future paradoxes to be quasi fusions of split evolutions. Like a ghost/flying ninjask+shedinja, or a dark/psychic espion+umbreon.
>>59125952While I don't believe all paradoxes pokemon from the future should be fusions, I agree that presenting more of them as fusions would have helped them stand out from those of the modern era, while also exploring more interesting ideas than simply being a robotic version
>I don't care if terastalization power brings the professor from another timeline, it has nothing to do with terastalization power bringing pokemon from other timelines exactly as he saysThis nigger probably smokes lettuce and eats rocks lmao
>>59126329Because everything Dynamax energy powers will make Pokémon gigantic and disrupt space-time? No, yet Galar is entirely by it. The life energy of Pokémon is used to power submarines and rockets and has nothing to do with eternal life and death.AI is a robot; it won't absorb a type or make space-time jumps. Therefore, a time machine allows for time travel because it is a time machine. All texts about Paradox refer to the past or future in relation to the present.
>>59126549No, yet Galar is entirely powered by Dynamax in terms of energy*
It's uncanny how literally nothing from Teraleak Part 2 gave us any answers about Terapagos's powers and the exact origins of Paradox Pokemon. We were THIS close to putting this indefinite meme to rest, but I guess the discourse must rage on until Legends: Paldea in 2033.Yes, this is your reminder that we're already THAT close to our mandated Paldea revisit when we're still only barely fucking leaving the place.
>>59126584They didnt leak any sv shit so no duh it didnt answer anything
>>59126584What's the point? They would have confirmed yet again that these would be ancient/future Pokemon and the same anon would have turned a blind eye again because the answer doesn't suit them.
>>59126589Because there would be no more excuses to hide behind. We'd have an objective lens by which how Terapagos's powers work, powers that are utterly unexplained in any media Terapagos appears in.And when we understand Terapagos, we understand how exactly the Paradoxes got here based on the scope of Terapagos's powers. No "ermmmm it was a mistranslation" uncertainty, no "ermmmmmmmmmm unreliable narrator" bullshit, just pure fucking objectivity straight from the notes of GameFreak them-fucking-selves.
Ohmori games have leaned heavy into scifi creatures and alternate reality.
>>59120028https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w7n33zftpc
>>59126584It said Area Zero was meant to be an island not from the past nor the future tho. Not like the poor timenigger cares.
>>59120421Yeah, the general themes are what make it fall flat. The future ones really just needed more than just "Robot version", should have played more on either converging/diverging pokemon split or potential futures good and bad. Some examples I'd imagine>A Lunatone/Solrock Steel Psychic that changes form based on SunnyDay, with each form modeled after a Lunar Spaceport and a Dyson Sphere>An Electric/Water Samurot that's based off a Cyberpunk style street samurai>Electric/Normal Slaking that's based off a NEETEven aside from theming, there's a problem with the robot designs almost all being the same thing. Prehistoric ones have a lot of variety and difference compared to the modern day forms, while almost all the future ones look nearly the same.
