Apologize to Mega CHADvillain right now.
No wonder its stats are so shit. If this thing was even remotely bulky, it would invalidate every physical attacker with no burn protection.
>>59122656Lmao
>>59122656>Pepper spray is now canon in the Pokemon worldWho was the faggot trying to claim sex doesn't exist in the Pokemon world? What use is there for pepper spray if rape doesn't happen
>>59122656Is this supposed to make it worth using when you could use Will o Wisp lol
I’m gonna laugh until I piss if it turns out this is real, but it only activates if Scovillain survives the attack
>>59122694Who would rape Mega Scovillain?
>>59122688SFMA
>>59122709Me
>>59122709Mega emboar
>>59122694you DO realize that there are attacks happen outside of rape, right? Just because Game Freak is full of rapists doesn't mean the Pokemon world is
heh it's a tie (thai) pepper
>>59122656>this lying fuck againgive me an actual source or fuck off
>>59122769He is the source, you wannabe contrarian.
>>59122769what has he lied about exactly?
>>59122780>>59122782
>>59122798>have a wrong theory so now the literal data you mine is wrongGrow up, anon
>>59122798troller supreme
>>59122798...hey you wanna tell us why you cropped it there?
>>59122811>i was only pretending to be retarded
>>59122805Still wrong doebeit
>Scatvillainfags are already coping hard KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOO Dolphinchads won btw
>>59122656This ability would be OP on an actually good Mega.It’s so frail that you might get 1 or 2 Pokemon burned by them attacking you, and that’s only if they aren’t immune to burns. Plus this somewhat helps Special Attackers like Alakazam that prefer to be burned than any other status.
>>59122680>Megamence attacks it>It's get burned>Congratulations now his facade hits like a truck
>>59122894It's going to be a mainstay in AAA.
>>59122912What's with all the posting about Mega Salamence lately? Did Mega Meganium mindbreak people?
>>59122917It’s going to get banned from AAA and MnM for sure. Give the ability/stone to something with really good special bulk and suddenly its way harder to break past, especially if they are part water.
>>59122922Mega Salamence is still the best mega and probably would be in like 1/3 of the teams.
>>59122922maybe it has something to do with mega salamence being the best mega in the game to the point that other megas need to be absurdly fucking powerful to even consider giving up the ability to use mega salamence yourself
>>59122656Sure would be good if the most popular Mega Evolution didn't get jacked Facades from this. Shouldn't be too surprised the Pokemon with "villain" in the name helps the opponent stop your balls in
>>59122922mega mence has no countersnothing can survive more than two hits from it and nothing can outspeed and oneshot it back
>>59122927>Still the best MegaAnd you know this, how?Mega Mence is in a completely different environment with tons of new Pokemon, Megas, and Items. You now have to deal with Neutralizing Gas, Paradox Pokemon, Grimmsnarl, Ursaluna, ZA Megas, Tera, as well as Clear Amulet which is can’t hold.And we don’t know if GameFreak buffed or nerfed Mega Mence’s movepool too. They already removed Knock Off from Incineroar, so they can easily remove tools Mence would want otherwise.
>>59122950chien pao and flutter mane outspeed and ohkothey probably won't be in at launch though
>>59122949Another victim for Mega Mence KEK
GOD I FUCKING HATE MEGAMENCECENTRALIZING VGC FUCK
You hate mega mence because he's better than your favorite megaI hate mega mence because he looks dumb and roaring moon looks betterWe are not the same
>>591229504 SpA Froslass-Mega Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Salamence-Mega: 268-324 (157.6 - 190.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence-Mega Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Froslass-Mega in Snow: 130-154 (73.4 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>59122952This is cope.
>>59122952Its got really really big stats, one of those big stats is speed, and its got an ability that boosts its moves.Its good in any environment, its literally Mega Fug lite, its always going to be the best unless they make something more broken, there's no way for them to make it balanced with the other megas without completely retooling its stats and ability, which they didnt do.
>>59122970>I hate mega mence because he looks dumbliterally everyone does, you aren't unique
>>59122656This will probably get banned on PS within a month not for its overwhelming usage anything but because it encourages "toxic gameplay"
>>59122952neutralizing gas is the only real factor here. m-mence has coexisted with things that outspeed and oneshot it like weavile and it was still oppressively dominant. just randomly throwing out pokemon like grimmsnarl and ursaluna only shows you don't really understand what makes mega mence so good in the first place.
>>59122656Step 1: Pair with a Guts attackerStep 2: Guts mon uses spread move (preferably a move M-Scovillain resists)Step 3: Feel free to equip the Guts mon with an item other than a Flame Orb
>>59122999Its literally balanced.You're trading your mega slot for 1, maybe 2 free burns. That's a pretty big drawback. Its frail (with max defensive investment it can survive most things but only just barely and not after rocks), and relatively slow. The opponent just needs to swap in a special attacker on it (that can survive a leaf storm or overheat) and oneshot in. The opponent now has no mega and they are now free to sweep the opponent with an actually strong mega.Since its a mega ability you also can't switch in normal scovillain either, If you want to create the toxic mindgames, you have to survive a turn before switching out.
>>59123005You still have to sacrifice a potentially Guts boosted turn, not worth it over simply holding an orb on that Ursaluna
>>59122974you're only getting that if the mence doesn't have a dragon dance (which it always will)
>>59123015There was never any potential lol
I don't get it. What Pokémon is this designed to counter? Is this to protect itself from fake out? It's so frail I don't see how it's supposed to survive anything before you even get a chance to do mind games.
>>59123029They created the entire Mega around Rage Powder is my only honest guess
>>59123029The entire point is that its a shit mega, so the way to make it remotely useable is to make it so that nobody on the opponents team wants to attack it.A burn is absolutely crippling on most pokemon, so in order to take Scovillain out (who does solid damage so you can't just leave him there), you essentially need to select what pokemon you want to sacrifice. Ideally choosing a special attacker or a pokemon that doesn't get nerfed from burn.With rage powder you may also essentially just sack your mega to let its partner set up or attack for free while simultaneously nerfing your opponents.
Ok, this Mega still sucks
>>59123046flycuck cope
>>59122656YOU COME NEAR ME I'LL SPRAY
>>59122981Weezing-G doesn’t care it removes your ability.Flutter Mane doesn’t care, it’s a Fairy that’s way faster.Iron Bundle doesn’t care, it’s an Ice tupe that’s way faster.Raging Bolt doesn’t care, it resists its Flying moves and can easily survive Draco Meteor even without Tera.252 SpA Salamence-Mega Draco Meteor vs. 148 HP / 44 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 150-176 (68.4 - 80.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKOGrimmsnarl doesn’t care it’s a Fairy with Prankster, Screens, Thunder Wave, and Spirit Break.Ursaluna doesn’t care since its bulky, survives, and even at -1 it KOs Mence easily.Ernamorus-T doesn’t care for the same reason and is a Special Attacker too.And don’t get me started with Chien-Pao, Miraidon, Koraidon, Calyrex, etc.It’ll still be strong, buts no where near as goog as before.>>59123002The difference is that a lot of these new Pokemon are way more common and cracked. And the fact that its dealing with this stuff in combinations. The only previous Prankster Fairy types were Klefki and Whimsicott, and both are significantly more passive, and Whim only had 1 screen.And neither had Fake Out, Parting Shot, Throat Chop, an immunity to Prankster itself, etc.And then you also have old threats like Tyranitar which can hold Clear Amulet and Rock Slide its ass while changing its type at will.What I’m trying to say is that the playground of Gen 6/7 is way different now.
>>59123046It still sucks, 100%, it's just gone from: "Literally unusable" to "A bad choice but you could probably do something funny with it."
>>59123056Keep in mind that the Paradox pokemon aren't likely to be legal for very long (probably a brief window in whatever format allows tera, and then once the WiWa format eventually starts, both them and Megas won't be legal), and are very unlikely to be legal during more than like, a single format where Megas are legal. Same probably goes for the chink trinkets but they're more likely to show up again later on since they love to spam legendaries in DLC for other games and stuff, and regain legality there.Weezing-G does hold it off, but the sheer damage Megamence doesn't really get fully neutralized alongside its ability, Like it nerfs it for maybe two turns tops before dying (in both singles and doubles), which CAN be enough, but I wouldn't read this as like, Mega Mence suddenly not being an overbearing threat, which is the entire problem, it's overbearing.
>>59122656More Bodies for the Mence God
>>59123056take out everything in this post that isn't present in champions at launch and you're left with ursaluna and maybe grimmsnarlhaving an answer to one of the best pokemon in the game is already mandatory and a fairy check is hardly a big ask for the best mega evolution to ever exist outside of rayquaza
>>59123076>O-ok but’ll be good for now!Cope
>>59123088please indicate what part of my post suggests it's impossible for mega salamence to get worse once better pokemon get into champions
You could run Mega Scovillain. Or you just run a fire type with Will-o-Wisp (Incineroar).
>>59123093Fuck that, you know we gamblin’ with Flare Blitz!
>>59122688Holy Hoenn
>>59123088>Realize half your argument literally doesn't matter because the Pokemon you mentioned won't even be available>c-c-c-c-cope!!!kek you're pathetic
Need w/o waste your mega to use willow wisp but worse why are all za mega do dogshit compared to vlsssic mega?
>>59123145Can't have revamped old mons overshadow the broken ass new Gen 9 mons.
>>59123128>Realize all those Pokemon will eventually get into Champions and Mega Mence will become a shitmonkek
>>59123145Will-o-wisp requires you to hit the target.With Spicy Spray, you Burn your opponent way more easily. You don’t have to care about speed, taunt, substitute, being flinched, or even using an attack. All you have to do is get hit.
>>59123152>implying mega and scovilain won’t get rotated out of champion by that point
>>59123168> All you have to do is get hit.and then you die instantly because you’re fucking scovilain
I get to use my Mega Slot on something that needs to get hit to apply status? Wowzers thank you Game Freak!
>>59123212Can't wait for mega dragalge to have poison point. Gonna break stall by poisining everything!!!
>>59123168this.If you don't pack Rage Powder this frees up a move slot and a valuable turn to use any other move while continually posing a passive threat in the background.
>>59123212ngl feel people are really underselling how valuable a guaranteed burn is.
>>59123237The ability is definitely why that gave Mega Scovillain such bad stats.
>>59123237Good enough to waste a team slot on, not good enough to waste a Mega slot on
>>59123237>Check scovillain moveset>>>>>It doesn't even learn synthesis>Despite being the grass pokemon who wants to be in the sun the mostZero point in this thing trying to tank hits for guarantee burns. Just use heatran+leftovers or moltres, physical attackers u-turn out enough for you to eventually get the flame body burn
>>59123237Yeah a real shame how people are underselling M-Emboar, it's going to be fantastic at spreading it, people really are underselling what it can actually pull with Mold Breaker- Oh we were talking about M-Scovillain who will end up spreading Burn against your will on things that you absolutely don't want burned and then die because it has one of the worst stat spreads imaginable? It's shit
>>59122656Mega Excadrill ability.Hopefully this means Unseen Fist is also now 1/4th damage
>>59123316>Embortions coping THIS hardMega Emboar’s burns aren’t even guaranteed. It can miss or be KOed before you use Will-o-wisp.And it’s disengenous to say Burns are somehow bad with Scovillain (who you can switch out so you have control in what you don’t burn) while also claiming that it’s good to burn Hatterene or Espeon (which you can burn too and more easily with Scovillain)
>>59123237Just use Will o Wisp>AccuracyLuck is a skill
>>59123337Please fucking tell me those faggot bears are getting their kneecaps removed
>>59123237>ngl feel people are underselling how valuable a guaranteed Destiny Bond is.This is how you sound.And you know what? M-Banette is a massive shitmon.
There are 8 total new abilities but 4 didn't get added to Home. So Champions will likely be missing a few ZA megas at launch that will get added in later seasons.Malamar is not confirmed yet for Champions so I assume it will get a busted new ability later on
>>59123359>So Champions will likely be missing a few ZA megas at launch that will get added in later seasons. i guess they're still going for the SV format with the ZA megas
>>59123362We are missing a bunch of the big reg H threats>no annihilape>no gholdengo>no bloodmoon>no amoonguss>no rillaboom>no indeedee>no eviolite monsChampions format is gonna be way different from SV.
>>59123365Its basculegion and arch city
It'd probably be too much but giving it an accuracy drop effect alongside the burn would be the funny kind of cancer. It's pepper spray after all.
>>59122698Will O Wisp can miss.
>>59122688
>>59122912This is just as retarded as saying glaceon is good because with sash it kos garchomp
>>59123365>no annihilape>no gholdengo>no bloodmoon>no amoonguss>no rillaboom>no indeedeeWhen have the devs ever once said “Annihilape isn’t in”? What makes you think any of these pokemon are unavailable?
>>59123621they are presumed to not be *currently* available due to absence from footage. we also now know that some Megas won't be available immediately.
>>59123359Cutting ZA megas right before they are able to be used in a real game is the most retarded decision TPC has ever made. Literally the whole point of Champions right now is having new megas to play with, and they couldn't even bother to include them all.
>>59123635because they'll add the others in 2 months time to shake up the meta you peabrain
>>59123612Cute
>>59123337God please nerf unseen fist too. Or at least limit it so like, only punching moves are benefited from the protect bypass.
>>59123641While losing other megas. We'll never have a full set.
>>59123622Brother, in what universe are they tailoring the footage to show every single pokemon available in the title? That’s an absolutely ridiculous assumption. There are what, 400+ fully-evolved pokemon in the game not counting legendaries and legendarylikes (paradox/UB/mythical)? I don’t expect them all to make it in (RIP Ariados) but even if HALF of them make it in (and Mega-A is an H clone which excludes all of the legendarylike mons) that’s something on the order of 200 pokemon to show across a combined total of what, 9 minutes of revealed gameplay footage?Not expecting VGC staples to be in is insane. The eviolite situation is crazy but they’ve made the comment for that reason; there’s no shot we aren’t getting Shillaboom and Sus Mushroom.
>>59123237>a guaranteed burnIf they attack into you, your opponent may have other options
>>59123337Meganium Mega SolFeraligatr DragonizeExcadrill Piercing DrillScovillain Spicy SprayEelektross boosted Electric type attacksPyroar boosted Fire type attacksThe leaks were wrong about what Scovillain's ability did so they can also be wrong about what the Eelektross/Pyroar abilities do. Seems pretty safe to assume the last 2 new abilities will be for Floette and Zygarde.
>>59123702>ZygardeOh boy I can’t wait for him to get an ability that’s a renamed Teraform Zero mixed with Aura Break mixed with a special attack version of Huge Power mixed with Wonder Guard
>>59123237It will make Facade Feraligatr that much more powerful :)
>>59123702There was a language barrier with the guy who posted the leaks. a lot of abilities had a ? next to them because he wasn't 100% sure about the name or effect. He knew that Scovillian had something to do with burns.
>>59123635Yeah this shit is retarded
>>59123702>Seems pretty safe to assume the last 2 new abilities will be for Floette and Zygarde.Floette 100% does NOT have a new ability. Eternal Floette is in the first season of Champions because we already know you get the mega stone for free if you transfer one over. If it got a new ability it would have been in this Home update.
>>59122688So is the joke that one head is atk and the other head is sp.atk?
>>59123702We know Floette is available at launch because you get the Mega Stone for free if you send it from Z-A to Champions, so no new ability.
Don't forget that Scovillain has Moody before Mega Evolving.
>>59123316>emboarfag>is a massive retardchecks out
>>59122656>Take away it's one gimmick (being a Fire type with Chlorophyll) in favor of "better Flame Body"
>>59123770Its gimmick is being an asshole with leech seed and moody
>>59123612Based pepper chad
>>59123770This is WAY better.If it got just Chlorophyll, it would have been just Scovillian with Life Orb.Additionally, the vast majority of physical attackers are now allergic to hitting him. If you even so much as graze Mega Scovillian, your physical attacker’s damage output is ruined. It’s like how Rage Fist really discourages you from using attacks at all.
>>59123770It keeping Chlorophyll would mean nothing without its base speed increasing a little. Scovillain's greatest flaw is that it's just a little too slow, and it has the same speed stat after Mega Evolving.
>>59123805Yeah, but Rage Fist is on a Pokemon capable of taking hits. Scovillain dies to anything.
>>59123813>Annihilape>80 def, 90 sp def>Mega Scovillainn>85 def, 85 sp def
>>59123237>burnsYou mean the status that has virtually no value on special attackers and fucks Amoonguss out of being able to Spore them, because sleep is an infinitely better status in VGC Doubles?
>>59123822>110 hp vs 65 hp
>>59123839>65 hpGood lord lol
Here is an updated (better translated) list of the leaked abilities. Staraptor does indeed get Contrary for Close Combat and Clefable does NOT get Misty Surge on a flying type.
>>59123899They should give Drampa Drizzile as an ability
>>59123666>RIP AriadosBut Ariados was shown to be in.
>>59123907It's literally right there...
>>59123922I googled this for confirmation, saw Ariados, and realized I had been thinking of Ledian kek.
>>59123899Nothing for my friend Malamar or is he not in yet?
>>59123899>tatsugiri didn’t get a new abilityWhat the fuck is the point of giving it a mega then? I doubt they will make commander more effective if it’s a mega or not
>>59123926The Drizzile would randomly use a move it can learn every turn
>>59123237>1/6 of your team slots and your only Mega slot for one guaranteed burn
>>59122974Might as well bring a special megamence and draco meteor the enemy megamence at this point
>>59123237252+ Atk Tough Claws Golisopod-Mega First Impression vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scovillain-Mega: 267-315 (79.9 - 94.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO But when is the burn being use
>>59123930See here>>59123359Malamar likely coming in season 2 or 3 of Champions. Malamar is DEFINITELY getting a unique ability because it's current stat spread makes zero sense.
>>59123931It could keep Storm Drain. It's not uncommon for a mega to get its base form's hidden ability.
>>59123931If its ability changes when it mega evolves you have the issue of trying to program the interaction between Tatsugiri mega-evolving and Dondozo entering the field beside it on the same turn.
>>59123931I think the point was so Tatsugiri could put up a fight after your Dondozo goes down.
>>59123015Kek
>>59123931It makes Tatsugiri more threatening so you can play mind games and people will be afraid to attack into the slot>Lead Tatsugiri+Rillaboom>enemy has to worry about mega Tatsugiri Draco meteor+Rillaboom u turning out to bring in Donbozo
>>59123899Have move flags been updated? I'm curious if baxcalibur will end up getting sharpness if glaive rush got changed to count.
>>59123941My bet is that Mega Malamar will get an ability that functions as both Contrary AND an "all mons abide by Inverted Type Chart while this Pokemon is on the field" effect, it's the only way to justify those dogshit stats.
>>59122952>>59123056>Mega mence isnt the best mega>lists a bunch of things that arent megas
>>59123237It's scovillan
>>59123936252+ SpA Salamence-Mega Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Froslass-Mega: 220-261 (78.2 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>59123956>The best mega>Gets ass handed to him by non-megas that aren’t even restrictedsThe “best” Mega
>>59123956Eh, heatran will probably body him
My hero WILL win worlds this year, and you WILL apologize.
>>59123612KEK
>>59123023>Ice beam's your salamanceHeh, nothing personal kid
>>59123954Even with type inversion, Malamar is mediocre. 1 weakness and 2 resistances, with shit bulk and no recovery.
>>59123982It's not just for Malamar though, it's for the mindgames of "at any moment, this mon, once it pops Mega, can enter and exit the field as it sees fit, completely changing the type chart."
Even with pretty bad defensive stats you guys are seriously underrating a rage powder user that burns anything that attacks it.
>>59123989Can you give me a viable set for mega scovillain that I can use
>>59123989Its really good but if i use it i cant use mega mence or mega gengar or mega heatran. See the problem? Like if this was a normal evolution he'd usurp amoonguss.
>>59123989In the alternative universe were it didn’t require a mega stone, it would no doubt be a worthy member of many teams, possible even with base-Scov’s stats, butt becusse it takes a up mega stone it’s competing with the shill megas like the Zards, Meganium, Etc. and can’t even hold an item itself
>>59123960Whatever you think the best mega is has far more embarrassing matchups
>>59123989A special attacker might honestly benefit from killing your scovillain since they can't get slept.
>>59124000scovillian already has some funny spicy extract meme strats as well
>>59122922You weren't around for post ORAS Gen 6 and Gen 7 meta.
>>59123989Gouging Fire struggled to make that gimmick work with way better stats and a held item.
>I have just the tool to stop Mega Salamence...>Go, Mega "Incineroar's Rapemeat"! Use "get OHKOd by Flare Blitz!"
>>59124013Would he even survive an earthquake from your own Ursaluna?
>>59123989It will sure burn the pokemon that oneshots it i guess
>>59124018Fuck if I know. The strat was chlorophyll with Koraidon clear amulet so he has 150 speed, either gives Koraidon a +2 boost or gives whoever uses follow me a -2 def/spdef
>>59124018252+ Atk Ursaluna Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Scovillain-Mega: 58-70 (33.7 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKOWould hurt even more if the Ursaluna has a life orb or something. Probably not worth the trouble when you'd rather be setting up trick room for Ursaluna anyway.
>Clefable has such a death wish that it grew wings just so Mence could kill it faster>Victreebel knows it'll never compete so it tried to rope itself and failed; still needs Mence to finish the job>Starmie only tries to look and act human so Mence doesn't notice it as quickly>Dragonite's merciful destruction isn't just to those that Mence hasn't already raped, it's an invitation for Mence to do the same to it>Meganium made itself more vibrant so Mence knows where it's at to kill it faster>Feraligatr wants to be Mence so bad it gave up its own identity in the process; accept none but the genuine article>Emboar's spear is so Mence has an easier time cooking its free pork meal>Skarmory's speed isn't for intimidation, it's a panic button because it knows it's one Fire Blast away melting to Mence>Excadrill knows it can't hide forever, so it makes it easier for Mence to Fire Blast it dead and get it over with>Scolipede makes itself look like a Bug/Steel type in hopes that Mence will roast it alive sooner>Scrafty's shed skin is to offer Mence a viable material to tie Scrafty a noose>Eelektross created cum clones to represent how it'll look like when Mence is done raping it>Chandelure's window into the afterlife is so Mence can relish in the sights of its past victims before it shatters it into pieces>Chesnaught didn't get the memo that being royalty just means Mence will add its hide to the treasure hoard>Delphox handicapped itself not to be fair, but to avoid a brutal death by the claws and fangs of Mence>Greninja thinks looking at Mence from another angle will make it seem less scary>Pyroar takes the iconography of Fire as tribute to Mence's Fire Blast>Eternal Floette wishes to reunite with her dear master, so she made herself more flammable for Mence to deliver her swiftly>Malamar tries to lobotomize itself so it can live in blissful ignorance before Mence strikesAnd so on.Until their god returns, all except Froslass will kneel to their king instead.
Maybe you can have Cyclizar shed tail a sub for it so it can build moody and switch to mega if appropriate. Probably not worth it over good megas but eh
Scovillain will be worthless in doubles unless they nerf Salamance heavily. Then it might have a nicheIn OU, this shit will be Hitler. Lando uses U-Turn, Scovollin switches in, Lando is now useless for the entire game. This works on every physical attacker. Like this is ban worthy
>>59124059I was wondering if it would activate on a sub.
>>59124065>Scovollin switches inIt's gonna be a lot worse in doubles because it needs a turn to mega evolve first. You can't just switch it in for a free burn without prior setup first.
>>59122968>>59122974>>59122970>Mega Sharty Mence 252+ Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Salamence-Mega: 161-192 (94.7 - 112.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKOYou can't hide behind tera anymore BITCH
>>59123941>Malamar is DEFINITELY getting a unique ability because it's current stat spread makes zero sense.HAHAHAHAHAH
>>59122688theyre coming up on the 10th fucking generation and STILL haven't even slightly figured out balance, huh?
>>59124082Meant to say it will be worse in singles.
>>59124058>all except Froslass will kneel to their king instead.
>>59124087>"Ice-type">"Priority abuser">Dies to RillaboomBack to RUBL where you belong
>>59124082Finding a single entry point to mega Scovillain will not be hard. People did that with Palafin. And once Scovillain is megaed, every physical attacker will have immense amounts of pressure put on them. And SV OU is currently dominated by physical sweepers and physical utility mons
>>59122656Apologizing for what? It still garbage
>>59124065>Scovollin switches in...Mega. Evolution. It doesn't simply "switch in and spread burn" it's SFMA ass has to sit out there and Mega first. It also won't survive more than one turn so it's only going to manage one burn at most that is outside of your control what it actually burns. Starting to see why it's shit?
>>59123359Gonna make the assumption that Zeraora, Heatran, Darkrai, and Zygarde get new abilities in their mega forms considering they would be the first to be disclosed from champions. That also means that mythicals in the future might be legal eventually since distribution was the main issue with them.
>>59124249Chinamanese are supposedly leaking right now that Darkai's new ability will be a Super Bad Dreams, that eats 1/4 of a health bar on sleeping Pokemon. It doesn't sound awful in theory, for Doubles, if you got your bog-standard sleeper like Amoongus, Sneedler, Butterfree, etc., but if Dark Void stays the way they changed it in ZA, making it a Drain Punch that causes sleep or applies Yawn, it'll be a bigass change for the better.I'd still prefer Mega Darkrai have some Dark Aura-type thing to completely shit on half the game and make up for it's meh power boost, but I'll take my small victories where I can get them.
>>591238990% chance staraptor gets contraryalso we know the new abilities and pyroar's isn't one of them
>>59123359Even if they're not legal for play their data would still be in home. It was like that with PLA mons for the longest time If there's no new abilities for pyroar, malamar etc. Then they're not getting any, just existing old abilities
>>59123337>contact moves onlyI love not being able to earthquake/rockslide the mons that spam protect like gliscor, heatran, mola, toxapex, gourging fire. That 1/4th resisted iron head resisted is going to go CRAAAAAAAAZYYYYYYYY
>>59124392Just give up 5BP for High Horsepower
>>59122656imagine if emboar got this ability
>>59124440*give up 5 accuracy**miss*wow i sure am glad i did 10 to alo through protect
>>59124326Unless something changes, Darkrai is not VGC legal even in restricted formats, it’s considered a mythical/event Pokemon. I know ZA kind of messes with that status but PLA made Arceus “not an event mythical” and it’s still always been treated as one and never permitted in any VGC format.
>>59124456>10 through protectFanfic minded, it LIFTS protect (like feint) so your partner hits for 100%. That’s its real function, every contact move is feint + brick break while also being just an attacking move.
>>59124468>it LIFTS protectThat’s not what the description says.
>>59124468>>59124470the idea of drills going through protect seems like it comes from hyper drill, which doesnt break protect. would be logical to assume this is the same
>>59124065I genuinely think people are really underrating how good guaranteed burns can beLike Scovillains never gonna end up being the most used mega, but I guarantee you there will be some downright evil bulky offense/stall teams that will be able to take advantage of this thing crippling half the opponent's teamLike throw a support Alomomola on the team and this thing becomes total cancer for any physical attacker.
>>59124470I swear one of the leakers said it lifts protect, reflect and light screen in addition to the Z-move punch-through damage. Maybe I’m wrong.
>>59124460This is the thing that's changing. Mythicals not being permitted was always related to being availability which champions can rectify. As for Arceus, it would obviously be considered a restricted Pokemon like Calyrex and Kyogore.
>>59124477it needs too much support to work. even on a stall team you could be running mega sableye. i don't doubt that you could build a half-decent team around it but it'll be a gimmick at best.
I just realized Horn Drill makes contact.OHKO through Protect baybeee lezzz gooooo!!
maybe it could be quite a annoying in doublesI just dont know how I feel about an entire mega devoted to absorbing a hit and shattering like glass
So why isn't mega scovillian just a cross gen evo?
>>59124751Because ZA was about megas, not cross gen evos
>>59122820Just admit you fell for it
>>59123635>xe is still pretending that ZA isn’t a real Pokémon gamelol
>>59124477In a hidden information meta it could be okay, because you could bring it with a focus sash and still scare opponents into not hitting it while using it to do other silly shit, while reserving your actual mega. But in a meta where I can see it doesn’t have Scovillite or whatever, that doesn’t work, you can’t bluff the burn threat.
>>59124512>Horn Drill + Stomping Tantrum
>>59124827It doesn't play like one.
>>59123053You sell fish.
The world trembles when the Slow Frail Mixed Attacker Mega Evolves…Join me, Palafin! And together we can take this meta for ourselves! Are you switching in or are you switching out?
>>59124495Not always. Deoxys was in ORAS, Keldeo in the Crown Tundra, Mew, Jirachi and the gen IV mythicals all in BDSP and LA, and Meloetta in Indigo Disk. All of those could and can still be gotten without events. They could change things for Champions, but it won't be purely down to availability.
>Stomping TantrumDriven by frustration, the user attacks the target. If the user's previous move has failed, the power of this move doubles. Damn you can hit 25% of the damage instead of waiting till next turn to do 200% of the damage!
>>59124495>>59125203the vast majority of mythicals are obtainable now. everything except victini and zarude, i think. and celebi and deoxys if you dont have a 3ds with bank.i still dont see them allowing mythicals outside of reg-j-style end-of-cycle ladder formats though. even if for no other reason than they like to classify based on nomenclature so they all have to be classed as "mythicals", but their power levels are all over the place. arceus is a restricted, so they all have to be restricted, because theyre all just mythicals, but then none of them will see any use because theyre all shit next to csr and miraidon, and gamefreak dont want the special format feature mons to be sitting at 0.05% usage.they *could* reclassify them to work like legendaries, but then theyll face p2w backlash from redditors who are angry because they dont have oras and bank, so they cant make the deo-speed gimmick team cybertron featured that they just HAVE to try out
>>59125230They can pick and choose which Pokemon are going to be legal in Champion just like ZA does. So in that instance, Arceus would be restricted as an example while 90% of them are on the same power level as sub legends/ubs/paradoxes. Not to mention the theoretical mythical Pokemon people are missing could be obtained via in-game currency. Otherwise, we're not gonna learn any of the current mythical mega Pokemon's abilities because I'm almost certain megas aren't going to be in Wind and Waves but it would be nice to be wrong about that.
>>59125199Kekt AND Chekt
>>59122656>wasting a mega slot for a status may not even happenEven if it can bypass shit like gholdengo and sustitute other status (ie poison orb mons) still would get to see any use, also free guts boost
>>59122912>it's a double battle and Megamence purposfully attacked his partner
>Mega Excadrill using Horn Drill on Protect
>>59123612PEAK
EVIL WILL NEVER PREVAIL
>>59125463No, idiot. It means that it can't check Megamence because burning him only makes stronger.
>>59125491It's gonna feel so satisfying to land for sure>>59125017I like this idea>>59125827>Justice KickDid the tcg forget this was a dolphin?
>>59125457>a status may not even happenThe wording seems to imply that it's a GUARANTEED burn. Compare Flame Body>Contact with the Pokemon MAY burn the attacker.with Spicy Spray>When the Pokemon takes damage from a move, it burns the attacker.
