All complaints about gen 2 are just people crying about having to play the game>You are still finding new pokemon in the post gametranslation: I hate discovering new things throughout the entire game, gamefreak should have just put every single pokemon on route 1 >Pokemon have weird ways of encountering themtranslation: i dont want to have to think and interact with the world, gamefreak should just put the pokemon in my pc for me >The level curvetranslation: I want to avoid every single optional fight and I want the game to let me win like this
>>59123778You real as fuck for this OP
>>59123778based as fuck, GOATho chads stay winning
>>59123778I just want to use the new Pokémon in the new Pokémon game.It also makes no sense to put weak Pokémon like pre-split Sneasel or Misdreavus exclusively in the post-post-game.
>>59123778Route 1 is post-game in Johto, so why not?Every new Pokémon (barring Legendaries) has a 1% or 2% of appearing.Would be kinda fun.
>>59123778>>You are still finding new pokemon in the post gameyeah useless ones at low level. theres a reason people consider slugma an honorary gen3
>>59123867Sadly factual post
>>59123778>I hate discovering new things throughout the entire game, gamefreak should have just put every single pokemon on route 1No, because those mons come so late into the game that they'll have jack shit for stat EXP, which is supposed to be your mulligan that balances you out against NPCs with higher levels, and they also come anywhere between level 10-25, meaning they need to grind for hours on end just to catch up with your current guys at level 45-50.>i dont want to have to think and interact with the world, gamefreak should just put the pokemon in my pc for meYou mean they made the encounter methods dogshit on purpose to encourage the sale of strategy guides to find out how to get these mons, a hail mary before the internet ruined this level of faggotry forever and encouraged them to lock their bullshit behind methods like Feebas Tiles and Munchlax Trees that CAN'T be cheesed with a strategy guide because it's all random bullshit that's either constantly changing or tied to a secret number that literally requires you to hack your game to discover.>I want to avoid every single optional fight and I want the game to let me win like thisThat's not the argument at all. The argument is that Johto gets piss easy post-Morty and pre-Clair because you're busy accumulating badge boosts and stat EXP while all your opponents are trapped in a limbo of level 18-27, not helped at all by the free Level 30 Gyarados you can go and catch the instant you beat Morty.And then Kanto is even more underleveled shitters, so the game gets boring because you're just shitstomping cunts with unevolved level 30 mons and gym leaders that you've already surpassed by virtue of having ludicrous stat EXP, as their levels are E4-range aside from Blue, who's ONLY challenging if you prioritize bumrushing to fight him straight away so all the stat EXP you accumulate from all the worthless shit trainers you have to fight doesn't turn your mons into uber beasts.
>>59123869Sneasel is Mt. Silver to me, since it can only be found on the route outside it.
>>59123915>meaning they need to grind for hours on end just to catch up with your current guys at level 45-50.>you're just shitstomping cunts with unevolved level 30 monsim a little confused anon. do you need to be at level 30, or level 50?
>>59123869skarmory and wooper have no reason to be in this image. the rest support the complaint (which is a silly complaint that misses the point of the games and is prettu succintly shut down by the op but i digress), but skarmory and wooper are plainly johto pokemon and their inclusion here is blatant bad faith to make the "problem" look bigger than it is
>>59124240I meant you're shitstomping NPC cunts who have level 30 mons.
>>59124247right, so youre shitstomping them because youre a higher level than them. because you NEED to be level 50. sounds like youd have a better time if you were closer to their level, no? perhaps if you didnt NEED to be level 50, and had some way to acquire lower levelled pokemon in the even you accidentally overlevelled, thatd be pretty handy
>>59124257Oh, you're being a disingenuous cunt.It's almost like the reason my mons are Level 45-50 in Kanto is because they naturally got to that point because they've been tearing ass through Johto and Kanto both.Also, this fucking batshit retarded scenario you describe still doesn't help my case. The wilds are level 10-25, the trainers are level 30, and Kanto's gym leaders are level 40-50 on average. You're just asking me to grind for no reason when I can simply continue to use my champion team as is, because they need to max out their stat EXP in order to stand a fighting chance against Red.
>>59123778Why is the Johto art posted here always Ecruteak City? Is the rest of the region that ugly and boring?
>>59124243Unless the point of the games was to deliberately sabotage the Gen 2 'mons, there's literally no reason why they should be locked to post-game where they aren't even useful anymore.The only valid 'mon to lock to post-game would be Larvitar (the base form of the Gen 2 Pseudo).But even that argument falls flat given that Dratini can be obtained before the 4th Gym in Red and Blue.
>>59124290Agreed, can't believe they sabotaged Mewtwo in RGBY for no reason whatsoever. What the fuck were they thinking?
>>59124290>The only valid 'mon to lock to post-game would be LarvitarNot really. Larvitar and Pupitar aren't much better than Geodude and Graveler, and you can't trade for Tyranitar early. It probably won't even be level 55 when you finish Kanto.
>>59124293False analogy.Mewtwo fits a different role as the ultimate Legendary, the post-game final boss.Dratini/Dragonite and Larvitar/Tyranitar both fit the role of the pseudo-legendary.A wild Pokémon that starts off weak, but with enough training rivals the "real" Legendaries in strength.Mewtwo would be more akin to Lugia and Ho-Oh.
>>59124317>False analogy.>Mewtwo [is a Pokemon that isn't meant to be used at its fullest power until after you fully complete the campaign, where you can use it in PVP against friends or in Pokemon Stadium]>Dragonite and Tyranitar [are Pokemon that aren't meant to be used at their fullest power until after you fully complete the campaign, where you can use them in PVP against friends or in Pokemon Stadium]>Mewtwo would [not be akin to Lugia and Ho-Oh, who are obtainable before fully completing the campaign]
>>59124289Most of it is caves with Zubats and Geodude so yeah
>>59124293Mewtwo is level fuckin' 70
>>59124289johto cant even afford its own victory road....it's basically a third world shithole being subsidized by kanto
>>59124344or grassy routes with rattatas and pidgeys
aw shweet it's another Johtimmy Pretending Not To Understand Things thread!
>>59123869The probably hid the dark type and misdreavus since they wanted the psychic counters to be hard to find but what is the reason for the others?My guessesOctillery: They wanted to reward post game fishing in Johto so the hid a cool fish pokemon in it.Quilfish: The same reason as before.Magcargo: I have no idea why.
>>59124290You can get Dratini before Whitney by the game corner
>>59124289It's arguably the best looking area in the entire series, so it's naturally going to be posted a lot
>>59123867>>59123869>>59123915>>59124290Not counting celebi you can get 83 of the 99 gen 2 pokemon before beating the elite four. As for the other 16, who f'ing cares. Remember this was back in a time when the pokemon team created and developed their world and mechanics with their philosophy and vibes, regardless of what the crybaby fans might think. And what a shocker, the first two gens remain the peak of the series. I would take another gen 2 game with "muh level curve and post game" a thousand times over compared to the predictable, formulaic, homogenized bullshit we've gotten in every gen after. Enjoyed by everyone, but loved by no one.
>>59124695>Not counting celebi you can get 83 of the 99 gen 2 pokemon before beating the elite fourHalf of these are ugly shitmons, ugly shitmons with 1% encounter rates, and roaming legendaries>As for the other 16, who f'ing caresMe, there’s no reason why the distribution should be so bad>And what a shocker, the first two gens remain the peak of the seriesGen 2 is objectively the worst by every metric imaginable. The team building is abysmal, evolution items are annoying to obtain, the story and pacing are awful and basically ends against a Rocket admin who doesn’t even have a name>I would take another gen 2 game with "muh level curve and post game" a thousand times over compared to the predictable, formulaic, homogenized bullshit we've gotten in every gen afterGen 2 is the boring formulaic shit you’re speaking of >rehashed the fire starter stats>rehashed the league>even elm is cucked because the first professor you see is fucking oak>rehashed the encounter tables from beginning to end; enjoying seeing pidgey as your first pokemon and level 25 raticates outside of what is supposed to be the last area of the game lmfao>rehashed kanto pokemon for the gym leaders and elite 4, some johto mons like the larvitar line are used by 0 NPCs>rehash kanto but somehow gutted it of all substance and made it a third of the size>rehashed team rocket but made it lame as fuck with the most boring plot and hideout in the series; didn’t update the pokemon they use at all, still spamming level 10 zubats the entire game
>>59124555That's my point.Why is it so easy to get Dratini, but Larvitar is locked to the very end of the post-game?Either both pseudos should be hard to find or neither of them should be.
>>59123778Crazy how that pro Nuzlocke fag still has /vp/ talking about that video all these years later
im being deadly serious i think you should have to take an extensive quiz to prove youve played the pokemon games before being allowed to post here
>>59124813What kinda questiosn would there be
>>59124813>you should have to prove Nah take that to your Discord
>>59124695I don't see what's more predictable, formulaic, and homogenized than shilling Kanto over and over again.It wasn't so bad at the time, because it was only the second main game. But it just feels boring in retrospect and strips Johto of its identity.Like (lore-wise) Johto is a cool region, but all everyone talks about how good it is to be able to return to Kanto.Do Johtofags even like their own region?
>>59124290> of the games was to deliberately sabotage the Gen 2 'mons,Reminder that Sugimori specifically said he didn’t want to make Pokémon anymore during Gen 2 because he wanted to make Quinty instead and hates being known as the Pokemon Guy. Game Freak was actively trying to sabotage GSC until Tajiri ditched them and Masuda whipped them into shape but even then Iwata had to come and make the game for them, but even a genius like Iwata can’t completely count completely unfuck game freak’s shit hence Gen2’s remaining issues.
