It's time to talk about Johto.
There's nothing new to say that hasn't been said. People have already made up their mind if they like or dislike it.
Contrary to popular opinion removing Chikorita won't fix the level scaling.
>>59131239>>>>>>>>>gen two games??? the gen 4 are the problem ones, what a retard
>vitriolic edgelord hate of a game a quarter century old when it didnt exist at launchGen Z was a mistake. The so-called best generation, Gen X, should be ashamed of the shitty job they did raising their crotch spawn.
jhoto more like, no thanks
>>59131239Wtf I love youtubers now
>>59131254You meant gen 5.
>>59131239The YouTuber in question is a huge Gen 2 shill though?
>>59131239>rock solidthe biggest tourist to ever tourist
>>59131263How is it "edgelord" to criticize a videogame?Nostaliafags are even worse than zoomers.
>>59131239Two retards fighting.
>>59131239>Beloved classic becomes hated thanks to youtubers>Youtuber: UMMMMMM ACKSHUALLY IT'S BAD TIME TO DUST OFF THE SCRIPT I HAVE REHEARSED
>>59131337Anon meant "contrarian" but i get the mistake, since every contrarian thinks themself a super cool edgelord.
>>59131239name one good pokemon from gen 2
The shit defense campaign is what's actually making more people hate the game, ironically.
>>59131239>twitter screenshot thread>of a /v/ postFuck, this board really has fallen.>>59131300Quiet Kojo, the adults are talking.
>>59131239>Johto script>pretend day/night cycle was the best thing ever>pretend the 1% encounter swarm shitmons were good>pretend the baby blobmon dex wasn't done intentionally to appease animators and merch makers>pretend timewasting mechanics didn't pointless prolong gameplay>pretend gen 3 killed Pokemania even though the Johto anime spammed filler for months and Crystal had the lowest sales of any mainline game>pretend the level curve doesn't matter>pretend Lance being over 10 levels underleveled doesn't matter>pretend gutted low level Kanto doesn't matter because they included "all" of it anyway>pretend gen 2 only added stuff from gen 1 (Safari Zone and Cerulean Cave don't exist)>pretend Red's 6 jobmon setup fodder team was the coolest thing ever
>>59131907forgot>soul>comfy>cozy>you had to be there>i hate zoomers>fake childhood story about playing with made-up friends
>>591319075 jobmon setup*Give Snorlax some credit. He carries Red's entire team on his back.
>>59131907>>pretend gen 2 only added stuff from gen 1 (Safari Zone and Cerulean Cave don't exist)Don't forget gutting stone evos until the postgame (unless you fucking scummed the daylight savings system, and only in Crystal) and making 90% of TMs worthless in the game. By Celadon in RB you could get thunderbolt, rock slide, and ice beam, all to patch up your weaker monsters that otherwise would be locked to their mono normal level up pools. In gen 2? Gimmick shit, all the way to Clair. Fury Cutter? Dynamic Punch? Icy Wind? Come on now.
Christ almighty the games were released in 1999, who the fuck actually argues about them these days? What's even the point? Are women supposed to be impressed by one's ability to evaluate the quality of a game where you catch cartoon animals?
>>59131907Looking at the progression of the game in the leaked builds was sobering. Sugi had to axe all of the cool monsters for forgettable baby shit, and in the playtester emails Gamefreak vehemently denied any flaws with the game, which was probably to expedite progress by shoving them under the rug seeing as half the sprites in the final are literally unfinished and needed Crystal to correct them. Testers complained about the level curve, Snorlax being way too strong, all of the new monsters being dogshit, Lugia's typing not making sense, etc. and the devs always responded with "you're imagining things." You can literally see exactly where Masuda the prevaricator got his start as their PR guy. It's no wonder Gamefreak hates Johto. They were forced to upend their entire work and replace artistic merit with a mediocre product to cater to a wider consumer base.
>>59131925Keep crying, zoom zoom
>>59131300>HGSS were remade in gen 5do you ever get bored of this?
>mfw I recognize shitposters from here in that /v/ Johto threadI would call this board useless for containing pokeautists, but with how Pokemon threads were spammed more during last years April fools than ponyshit and rivaling vtubershit once /vp/ was shut down I can't call it completely useless.
>>59131907>pretend day/night cycle was the best thing everIt was, and still is.>pretend the 1% encounter swarm shitmons were goodThey were kino.>pretend the baby blobmon dex wasn't done intentionally to appease animators and merch makersFuckin worked, I'm buying johtokino merch every chance I get.>pretend timewasting mechanics didn't pointless prolong gameplayThey're life sim elements. That's like complaining that Animal Crossing is in real time, like no shit, that's the point.>pretend gen 3 killed Pokemania even though the Johto anime spammed filler for months and Crystal had the lowest sales of any mainline gamePokemania was a fad, and all fads die.>pretend the level curve doesn't matterIt does, because it enhances the experience. Every Pokemon game would be better if it had a level curve similar to that of Johto.>pretend Lance being over 10 levels underleveled doesn't matterYou didn't play the game. When you get to Lance, you're like level 35-40. You're the one who's underleveled, as you should be.>pretend gutted low level Kanto doesn't matter because they included "all" of it anywayFixed in HGSS.>pretend gen 2 only added stuff from gen 1 (Safari Zone and Cerulean Cave don't exist)Fixed in HGSS.>pretend Red's 6 jobmon setup fodder team was the coolest thing everYou don't know what "jobmon" means.>>59131948The stones were fixed in HGSS as well. The TMs, however, are a genuine issue, even in the remake. A small one, but an issue nonetheless.
>>59132107>she's the jobmon shitposterkill yourself
>>59131239>MY E-CELEB DOESN'T LIKE SOMETHING YOU LIKEGive me ONE reason your idol stands out from the crowdNot two, I don't want two. Not three, or any other number greater than one.One. One reason.
>>59131995Especially since most of the other homeless boards were actually somewhat pleasant. I had some genuine fun in some of the pony threadsThe pokemon refugees were a blight wherever they went
>>59131239They do have flaws, but they're not major enough to ruin the games. It's just people have spent decades examining them through a hyper-critical magnifying lens for faults. It's a completely different context than actually playing the games. It's like that giant list of "flaws" of RBG. Like yeah, those games were pretty buggy and rough around the edges, but 99% of that shit you don't think about when you actually sit down and play the game because you're just having fun and not fixated on the minute details of the game's design.
>>59132115>schizophrenia???"Jobmon" means a mon based on a "job" (in a very loose sense of the word, it's a pretty retarded term desu but it's what we use)You are thinking of "jobber," and once again, this was addressed in the remake which buffed the hell out of Red
>>5913212890% of the so-called "flaws" are actually the game's greatest strengths, but viewed through the lens of someone who wants to burn through their games quickly instead of taking their time and enjoying the ride. GSC/HGSS was made during a time when kids still had meaningful attention spans. It's not a game you're supposed to play all at once.
>>59132130>the remake which buffed the hell out of Red?? HGSS Red still has 6 kanto shitmons and an NFE acethey just have higher levelsgen 4-5 games have 10-15 levels lower NPC teams/rematches that are >> HGSS Red
>>59132142Better movesets and light ball on Pikachu.Also no other fight in the entire series even comes close to the sheer kino factor.
>>59132141>GSC/HGSS was made during a time when kids still had meaningful attention spans.Cocomelon and its consequences.
>>59132141Nah you were just as braindead as kids today.
>>59132142You're forgetting the advantage Hail provides to the new Lapras, Snoralx continued to be a really good Pokemon, plus the level difference in a game where you're still not getting a ton of levels after Johto without grinding is definitely a huge buff. It's probably not BW Cynthia because she actually uses good Pokemon that are also a pretty high level when the player may or may not have a great team yet depending on how the tackle BW's somewhat open-ended post-game, but in the context of HGSS as a game it's up there.
>>59131738Suicune
>>59132159Those were from Hoenn, they're even on the cover art of a gen 3 game.
>>59132142Red's a sidegrade more than a net upgrade, given how many of his mons are just carrying really exploitable moves.Pikachu's obviously the strongest it's ever been, but now it has a tendency to kill itself with Volt Tackle which can be exploited.Charizard is similarly suicidal considering it has Flare Blitz, and all three starters can be farmed for a free turn via their elemental Hyper Beam if you have something you can sack or tank the hit with.It's the same shit as always, just find your best place to start chugging X Items or setup moves and then you can curbstomp him from there.
>>59132161
>>59132172Next you'll say slugma balls is a Johto mon or some stupid shit.
>>59131907Holy trvth
>>59132142HGSS Red is significantly more difficult than GSC Red, by virtue of (You) lacking badge boosts. GSC Red can be steamrolled by random level 40s with little difficulty, but the same can’t be said of the remake without potionspam.
>>59131956Because something needs to be the worst in the franchise and it CAN'T be my favorite new gen that I grew up with. It has to be this thirty year old 8-bit game with notable flaws everyone is a aware of and can't argue. See FFXIII and XVfags bringing up FFII whenever "What's the worst FF game" comes up.
>>59132201It also doesn't help the franchise is "one step forwards, 200 steps back" at all given times, so no one can actually agree what the best or worst game is because they all have crippling flaws.You know how everyone complained Sonic got rid of the levels where you play as other characters? Imagine that, but it's someone who's uber-passionate about the fucking PokeGear Radio saying RS is awful because it doesn't have its own radio. That's the sheer level of derangement we're contending with.
>>59132204>You know how everyone complained Sonic got rid of the levels where you play as other characters?Has it been so long that historical revisionism has been that bad? Because it was the opposite for years and has only recently become that, after over a decade of boost and barely anything good.
>>59131239>Gen 2>no good PokemonAnyone who says this clearly wasn’t around for the years when Skarmbliss dominated the meta.>>59132107This. The games came out at a time when it was generally expected that most kids would only get one or two new games to play for a whole year. The real-time events, rare encounters, breeding mechanics, etc. were added as ways to keep kids engaged over long periods of time. The Stadium games acted as expansions to give you more to do after beating Red. Zoomers are spoiled by modern Pokemon where you just get all your endgame mons like Dratini and Larvitar for free within the first two hours of playing so you can bossrush the game with zero payoff or feeling of progression aside from being the personal attack dog of the real main characters of Ohmori’s storylines.
>>59131738sudowoodo
>>59132220>The real-time events, rare encounters, breeding mechanics, etc. were added as ways to keep kids engaged over long periods of time.you can do this and still have a balanced campaign.
>>59131925Kek
>>59132262How is it not balanced? I replayed Silver recently, and the only appreciable jumps in difficulty were Blue and then Red. My team was just regular mons like Feraligatr, Ampharos, Heracross, Espeon, Aerodactyl, and Jynx (yes I rotated mons in and out of my team).
>>59131995>>59132126I thin pokemon fans in general are just very insufferable people, that's why we have so many low quality posters and refugees.
>>59131738Scizor
OP loves cocks. Here's why.
>>59131948This.
>>59131738skarmory
>>59131738Slowking
>>59131738Bellossom
>>59131738How is this even a question? Houndoom.
>>59131738Quagsire
>>59131738Ho-oh of course
>>59131738Heracross isn't even my top 1 but it is objectively a perfect pokemon.
>>59131738You can tell how much the Johtofag is seething from all the samefagging on this post.
>>59131738It's not "good" but I love me the Hoppip line
>>59131738Bruh what about steelix
>>59131738Sudowoodo is based and I'm tired of pretending it's not
You'd think Gen 2 was good enough to warrant just how many people will turn feral at the mere suggestion of it having issues.
>>59132448I'm honestly upset at Lurantis from gen 7. Sudowoodo is a rock pretending to be a tree to bamboozle you when your fire attacks don't work. Meanwhile Lurantis is a grass type pretending to be a bug type because... (??????????) They both die to fire and birds!?
>>59131738Furret
>>59131738Donphan has always been my bro
>>59131738Completely BTFO
>>59132468I'm just waiting for the seething mass reply where he calls everything shit
>>59131738Tyranitar...
>>59131738Bellossom has been my favorite for awhile
>>59131738Granbull is cool af
>>59132453What about her screams “bug type”?
@59132498Absolutely retarded bait. Do not waste energy replying and explaining.Just [-] and move on
Playing HGSS, about to challenge the pokemon league. What level should my team be? Don’t want them to be too high so it’s piss easy but don’t want to be classic johto underleveled. Right now I have 3 mons level 40 and 2 level 42 (and one HM slave).
>>59132453According to it dex entry it's to attract bug types to eat. It's probably based on how many orchids mimic the shape of bees so its pollen spreads when a bee mates with it.
>>59132107>When you get to Lance, you're like level 35-40>xhe thinks it's about your own levelsConfirmed never played gen 1. Cease existing, zoomie.
>>59131738>20 replies later zero good mons postedGen 2 is so embarrassing
>>59131239It is better than Gen 1
>>59131738I'm not to huge on Johto as a region but it's probably the best gen in terms of Pokemon designs. Only Gen that had better pokemon designs than Johto was Gen 7
>>59132602I feel like gen 5 is up there too
>>59132604I was going to say Unova but then I remembered how angry retards were at the trubbish and vannilixe lines so I chose Alola instead since the only pokemon design that I can think of that got flack was Incineroar but I feel like he somehow redeemed himself as of recent
>>59132606No cap I actually really like trubbish and vanilluxe (but I can understand why some ppl don’t). I feel like incin only redeemed himself in the court of popular opinion bc that mf is a beast in competitive. But bro will always be a Tony the Tiger looking mfer to me.
>>59131738I can name 100.
>>59132557what, lance being a lower level than blue is supposed to be a bad thing?
>>59132617>still not naming even a single one
>>59131239>Poke-celebrites don't have anything to talk about so they repeat the same valueless spam topic for like three fucking years.Grim... It's also fucking grim that OP is a faggot bringing this level of "discussion" from Xitter to 4chan.
>>59132652This is 4chan to Shitter to 4chan retard
>>59131907It's funny how after you collect 15 badges and battle Blue, he's still lower leveled than in RBY. He's just a gym leader, gotta keep that worldbuilding intact! You can't make it hard for the Johtoddlers, no no no!
>>59131738entei
>>59132562Name your problems with Suicune, Sudowoodo, Scizor, Skarmory, Houndoom, Ho-Oh, Heracross, Steelix, Tyranitar, and Entei.
>>59131738The GOAT bug pokemon
>>59133173>SuicineStallshit and its not even good at it>SudowoodoIt learns Grass moves>ScizorI'll be totally honest as the biggest scizor fan around, it's overhyped.>SkarmoryCucked by Corviknight>HoundoomNo ears>Ho-OhIt's name is literally just the same as the mythical creature it's based on.>Steelix-20 base def, +20 base atk>TyranitarA YouTuber turned it into a meme also it's partially responsible for getting Pursuit removed>EnteiMega Flareon dot jaypeg
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>>59132631100 is, in fact, the entire gen. They're all great.
GS was a fun game but leveling up in it was like pulling teeth and I wanted high level teams for Stadium 2, so I just stopped playing it and traded my teams back to my copy of Red where real high level enemies were. Since I didn't use any of the Johto Pokemon there was never any issue.
>>59131322Especially he made these videos while developing the legacy hackAnd i'm not ashamed of saying it's a really good hack, for what it's doing. Expecting a lot from XY now
>>59131239It's a false johtarddler narrative that johto hate originated from poketubers. Poketubers copied the johto hate which started gaining popularity here on /vp/ in the late 2010s and rose throughout the early 2020s.
>>59132602>I'm not to huge on Johto as a region but it's probably the best gen in terms of Pokemon designs
>>59132580>It is better than Gen 1
>>59132604>I feel like gen 5 is up there too
>>59134030Gen VI immediately following it really makes it clear Masuda fucked up taking Pokemon out of Japan
>>59132450Gen 2's astroturfed popularity only existed *because* of how rabidly johtoddlers would vaunt it, when in reality, Gen II lost 1/3 of the sales of Gen I.
>>59133961I can't wait for the clickbait titles to make Kojo fucking furious
>>59134028>normal animal painted purple>unique monster design that takes elements from different irl animals
>>59134040>plushie """monster"""
>>59134038Ah yes, the thing released in the tail end of the fad sold marginally worse, surely that's an indication of quality and not the persistence of time. Hell, the same can be said for the second main titles on the same console selling worse, except for SV compared to SS which I find really fucking funny. If we go by that, SS is worse than the borderline experimentally structured game with severe performance issues, which honestly as a video game it probably is.
>>59132161This is the best Johto game.
>>59131995>/v/ Johto threadattempted toddie circlejerk sessionsmad the party gets crashed by reality
>>59134049>Ah yes, the thing that killed the fad instead of extended it sold significantly worse, surely that's an indication of quality and not the persistence of timeit is indeed
>>59131956>Christ almighty the games were released in 1999, who the fuck actually argues about them these days?retarded newfaggot alertgb2r
>>59131907you're trying way too hard
>>59134066Name one fad that lasts longer than 5 years. Go on, I'll wait, surely you have an example if you're so insistent about it.
>>59131907>>59131925they're so predictablebut yeah you don't know what jobmon means desu
>>59132527If you have superior type matchups then you should be fine if your mons are about 45.
>>59134081Define "fad". Go on, I'll wait, surely you have a definition if you're so insistent about it.
>>59134087>an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities; a craze.Pokemania was that, Gen 1's quality should prove that much. Pokemon as a franchise isn't, and both Gen 2 and Gen 3 did an excellent job converting the fad to a franchise. In comparison, the Generation 1 and Beast Wars fads for Transformers failed to convert (aping other toyline's gimmicks and releasing Beast Machines will do that), they were treading water with the Unicron Trilogy being reasonable, while the Movie fad finally successfully converted to a major franchise thanks to the Aligned initiative.
>>59133898This was actually the biggest problem I had with GSC as a kid. The only way to grind was to rebattle the E4 and Red, but unfortunately the E4 only have their same low-leveled teams unlike Gens 3 and 4 with their rematch teams.
>>59134100>Name one fad that lasts longer than 5 years.Pokemonowned
>>59134049Tards who bring up how GSC’s sales were less than RBY without any context most likely weren’t even around back then. In 1999-2001, Pokemon was competing with things like Star Wars, the Sony PlayStation 2, and even against newer games on the Nintendo GBA.
>>59134109I've never understood how Winnie-the-Pooh ranks that high.
I'm tired of these zoomer faggots saying gen 2 Johto was bad and that it was gen 4 that fixed it
>>59131738UPAH
>>59134122Successful merchandise for babies and kids is a gold mine.
>>59131239Tbh the SmithPlays guy is a massive Johtofag and a lot of his criticisms are fair and come from a good place. I played his Crystal Legacy hack and I enjoyed it, even if it's a little vanilla. Probably the best Gen 2 Crystal experience that tries to keep the game feeling like it's still a Gen 2 game.
>>59134109Making money=/=fad. In fact, being an established franchise basically disqualifies you from being a fad. If something suddenly popped up that was remotely competing with any of those monetarily and completely obliterating them in the public consciousness, then that's a fad. You can probably observe this with Pokemania or the Yugioh fad shortly after (note that Yugioh is completely absent from that list despite still being huge in the card game space, as seen on another similar list). I think the biggest argument against that image being indicative of a fad is the inclusion of Anpanman, a character that almost nobody in the west even knows of, is targeted at an extremely young audience, and if anyone does know it it's almost certainly because they looked into One Punch Man a little too much. On the other hand, this image more or less proves my point, almost everything on here has had at least one period of being a huge fad at one time or another before finally converting to something more stable.
>>59134124I’m a zoomer faggot and I think gen 2 johto was good and gen 4 ruined it
>>59134122Pooh is older than Mickey Mouse, and was insanely popular even when he was just a book character before Disney bought the rights to him.
Gen 2 Johto is dogshit and HG/SS is an overrated turd that does nothing but attempt to bandaid fix the massive structural flaws with boring, timegated minigames to pad out the runtime.
>>59134157Miltank is great though?
>>59131907>pretend day/night cycle was the best thing everIt's an okay feature at best. Cool for aesthetics and flavor. Nobody who likes gen 2 cares as much as you do. >pretend the 1% encounter swarm shitmons were goodNo one who likes gen 2 gives a fuck about this feature.>pretend the baby blobmon dex wasn't done intentionally to appease animators and merch makersAnd? The pool of designs is pretty good overall, with iconic mons like ampharos and did mythology better with ho-oh and the dogs than sinnoh did with its ugly mech legendaries.>pretend timewasting mechanics didn't pointless prolong gameplayWhich mechanics? Gen 2 has padding mainly kanto but if there's "waste time" mechanics they're fringe enough you probably don't know about them.>pretend gen 3 killed Pokemania even though the Johto anime spammed filler for months and Crystal had the lowest sales of any mainline gameGen 2 being skipped and Gen 3 being released next wouldn't have saved pokemania. Who fucking cares anyway.>pretend the level curve doesn't matterIt matters but every pokemon game is baby easy so the others aren't any better or marginally so.>pretend gutted low level Kanto doesn't matter because they included "all" of it anywayI agree, kanto is a waste of developing time and resources.>pretend Red's 6 jobmon setup fodder team was the coolest thing everAgain, pretty much every pokemon game is baby easy and fighting red is a cool idea despite this and fun.
>>59134157In spite of this, the "generic Gen 2 team" is largely Gen 2 Pokemon and Shiny Gyarados.
>>59134180the entire reason there’s a generic gen 2 team is because people go out of their way to use gen 2 pokemon but most of them suck so everyone uses the few that don’t suck
>>59134120>a video game franchise on handheld was competing with a movie franchise's console shovelwarecope tarddiegen ii killed pokemania
>>59134122Winnie the Pooh was shilled massively before the 2010s. He used to have a TV show everyone had seen at least bits and pieces of. There's a mega popular abridged version of the Tao Te Ching using him. He's just ubiquitous, like Bugs Bunny. And such incumbency can carry one far even in absence of any spectacular unique qualities.
>>59134124you should be thankful hgss zoomies even existthey help keep your fav from being universally shit on
>>59134180I think you don't know what "in spite of" means, because that fact proves the point
>>59134175>the contemporaneously-recognized best Pokedex in the series wouldn't have kept the hype goingI don't think so
>>59134263What killed pokemania wasn't the quality of the dex but the fact every single pokemon game is a reskin of the exact same formula. It's part of the appeal of the series but also why casuals didn't care about anything past kanto.ADV wouldn't have prevented this, pokemania was always a fad destined to die because people got everything they wanted with kanto and then they were done with the franchise.
>>59134124>common criticisms of gen 2 johto are weak pokemon, terrible grinding, and too many pokemon stuck in kanto>gen 4 johto has stronger movesets across the board, stronger cross-evos, better wild pokemon, stronger elite 4 rematches for grinding, and safari zone making mons like larvitar available earlierWhere's the lie?
>>59134372>more toddie cope
>>59134169If Miltank is so great why doesn’t anyone in game use one?
>>59134602Did you play the game?
>>59134602Is this some kind of new trolling tactic?
>>59132611Pokémon being good in battle and promoted across media tend to eclipse initial negative impressions. Rayquaza, Deoxys, and Garchomp were all shat on at release from existing fans, for example. Incineroar was lucky it >replaced Buzzwole in the anniversary movie as the rival to Ash's Charizard, according to the Teraleak>was picked by Sakurai for Smash, and ended up with favorable animations and personality >received the perfectly aligned constellation of traits to succeed as THE cornerstone of the competitive sceneAll at once. It was controversial as hell on its debut, but no one is truly immune to propaganda.
>le shitmons >gentoo mons all suck No. Stop this crap. If you want shit on gen 2 for the game play being repetitive, the story being lame, there being no challenge, fine. But only if you accept that how all Pokémon games are because Game Freak is full of lazy pedos and has been shitting out the same damn game fo 30 with minor window dressing changes.>>59134372 I will even concede that Gen 2 Pokémon on average were made too rare, though most are reasonable to obtain to a playthrough if you actually cared to play the game instead of rushing through it or imposing arbitrary limits. But shitmons? No.That myth only exists because of nu-gen revisionism and retarded Gen Alpha being gaslit by pokegroomers. Many Gen 2 Pokémon were solid for their time for an in game playthrough. And in the official meta at the time that people still play to this day Gen 2 are fairly present in the meta. Keep in mind that Gen 2 had less fully evolved pokemon than Gen 1, and is weighed down a bit by the new prevos and a few gimmicks like Unown and delivird that clearly weren’t made for battle. https://youtu.be/UXhuVebHTLQ?si=wiM_j8aDeMXRijXLThe only reason gen2 Pokémon are shitmon now is due to being robbed of the buffs every other generations of old mons. KANTOOmons are immune to power creep so to GenWun shilling while Hoeen shitters got saved in Gen 6 with megas. Whenever broken buffs are getting handed out Gen 2 Pokémon are the last to get anything if they ever get it, likely because of Game Freak being bitter that Iwata had to save their sorry asses or they always hated gen 2 Pokémon for some reason.
>>59134804you're posting some rando's outdated tierlist
>>59134831It mostly lines up with the video I linked that was made this week
>>59134837that's a very good sign of being wrong if it's reflective of an earlier stage of metagame development
Why do faggots pretend crap like Houndour or Larvitar or any of Gen 2's kanto only mons actually count for anything? By the time you reach them you've already decided on your team, they might as well not exist.
>>59134873People have been playing that meta for decades. That video is a reflection of decades of real fans playing the official meta and understanding it inside and out. The meta could very well continue to evolve but there is real knowledge being that list
>>59134892that video is literally about tournaments held 2 and a half decades ago, not the "modern meta"contemporary Gen II OU would be a better point of analysis
>>59134875Houndoom is actually leveraged more in anti-Johto arguments, for this reason. Many people hate Johto for denying them Houndoom usage.
>>59134875>enter Kanto>beeline to Celadon>play the Game Corner>get my Larvitar>fly to the League>grind E4 rematches>get my Broranitar>fight through the Kanto gyms and Red with itYup yup.
A lot of the new Gen 2 mons only being available in the post game is unforgivable. Even the Unova approach is better.
>>59134991>Mandatory grind to use a pokemonlmfao god the hoops you losers will jump through.
>>59135003Dag I know the Gen 2 games have a reputation for low level opponents but even I don't think a level 15 larvitar is going to win fights in Kanto.
>>59135003>>Mandatory grind to use a pokemonThat's all pseudos besides Garchomp.
>>59134793I remember that it was also the most popular pokemon refresh pokemon according to the leaderboards.
>>59133342>>HoundoomIt's ears are the horns you idiot.
>>59134623He repressed the Whitney Memory.
>>59134943Gen II OU is completely butchered from the Nintendo Cup 2000 format. Gen 2 was not made to be 6v6 at level 100 and no item clause. Though someone calculated Pokémon in Gen2 OU and Gen 2 mons are fairly represented in that too so the overall point still stands
>>59131244fpbp that should have been /thread. Get this shit off of page 1
>>59134875Larvitar is available early in HGSSHoundour was just clearly always meant to be a new game plus sorta pokemon you get from trading with your friend
>>59134487That Johto was bad to begin with. Johto has always been kino, and HGSS made it even better.
>>59134044>implying pikachu isn't a plush toydisingenuous faggot
>>59135060True.
>>59135062he says while cherrypicking 1/4
>>59133368>Gen 2 crystal pushed the very limits of its hardware in terms of memory.>Gen 3 something game freak slopped out thinking it would flop since they did a crap jobGen 3 proved to game freak they don't even have to try and morons would be their trash. That fact alone games gen 3 a 1 out of 10 game and there's no argument against this.
>>59135116this is probably the the single most divorced from reality post itt
>>59131738Crobat, Scizor, Espeon, Wooper, Girafarig, Murkrow, Skarmory, Teddiursa, Togetic, Steelix, Heracross, Misdreavus, Suicune, Politoed, Sudowoodo, Totodile, Bayleef, Cyndaquil, Aipom, Porygon 2, Houndoom, Mareep, Jumpluff… most of them are great.
>>59133368What's wrong with Girafarig? I assume this is ranking their design.
>>59135099he says while cherrypicking 4/100compare dragonite to tyranitar and suddenly your argument falls apart
>>59131239>There's no good Gen 2 PokemonScrub shit. A pure Gen 2 team works fine in casual gameplay. Get gud. If your problem is "muh gen 2 pokemon in Kanto" your understanding of world building is garbage>Silver is badShit opinion>Why are Gen 2 leaders so bad?Again. Shit opinion>Gen 2 is bad so I'm fixing itGo nuts. I don't care.
>>59132174Everyone knows Slugma is a Kanto mon, get with the program
>>59135118Isn't the "kiddification" of Pokemon mostly the fault of the tv show? A lot of the original Gen 1 designs and Sugimori artworks was edgier than what came after, Gastly, Haunter and Gengar being the most obvious examples.
blatant genwar thread
>>59132652>lust-provoking image
>>59133368Abysmal taste
