>XY is to eas-
>>59136388y
>>59136393FPBP
I don't even remember beating her, nor her design or character. XY had very forgettable gym leaders and elite 4, though the Kalos league looks cool.
>>59136393Bodied that freak
>>59136388I feel like the entire right side of this graphic is conveniently forgetting Lance exists in order to make all of its claims.
>>59136388>XY is to easy as SWSH is to cut corners
>>59136462Well technically the part where it says “Only Champion with 2 600+ bst Pokemon” is true lol. But for highest BST total of any champion Lance mogs.
>>59136388Her team isn't awful, it's the fact that you get so massively overleveled by the time you reach her that is the issue.
>>59136601Her team is pretty bad. Gourgeist and Goodra are too defensive to be threatening and Aurorus is genuinely awful. The other 3 can only do so much
>>59136473To be fair, is there any Pokemon game that isn't easy? All it takes is a half-fuctioning adult brain to blow through these games and crack them right open
>>59136614>Aurorus is genuinely awfulYou summoned Kojo.he can eat a dick just like Game Freak
>>59136800The hardest games tend to be the Masuda games with the shittiest dex, so DP is probably the most difficult in the franchise if you don't willingly return to Wayward Cave
>>59136800Heartgold soulsilver
>>59136800XY haters aren’t functioning adults
>>59136873To be fair, Flygon was never anyone important's ace. It was a shitmon that existed as Drake filler
People shit on her team yet they're all in Champions thus making each and every one of her Pokemon more important than Flygon. This also means they're more usable in season 1 than Flygon ever will be. And yes, this also applies to Aurorus and Gourgeist and especially with how much everyone targets and singles out the former as if it's worse than Hitler.
>>59136880>fr*nchAn underleveled Doublade solos her, please don't leave bad opinions lying around like this and instead dispose of them properly. Thank you!
>>59136800desu the arguments should be about which battle facility is the hardest
>>59136923>he admitted that there are pokemon better than flygonI accept your concession.
>>59136923Mawile solos her better, she has a crippling weakness to Steel/Dark/Fairy. It's probably one of the most unbalanced Champion teams of all time>>59136924No Battle Facility is harder than Emerald's list due to the lack of Phys/Spec and resources to grind said mons to be optimal as possible. Also the fuckin Battle Palace
>>59136388
>>59136951>First Champion to canonically just give up to "pursue her acting career">Can't even take care of her own daughterGame Freak knows they fucked up with her
>>59136949>lack of Phys/SpecOh no...
>>59136388>half are weak to steel>four are weak to ice
>>59136860Are very easy
>>59136981But the level curve. And Whitney’s miltank
A Flygonfag made this thread to distract attention from his precious shitter.
>>59136850event manaphy says hi
>>59136982Are very easy to deal with
>>59136388This is such a perfect example of /vp/ discourse: An MS-paint infographic trying to gaslight people into thinking a commonly known fact is untrue, and is only potentially convincing to someone whose never played the game. I'm sure these all seem like compelling arguments to someone whose never actually fought Diantha, but they don't fool me since I can just remember my multiple actual XY playthroughs and how piss-easy she was. Yes, even in comparison to other champions.
>>59137017Learn to identify a Flygonfag false flag next time.
>>59136982whitney is a power/knowledge check in the gen 2 games. if you overlevel your starter you can beat her easyor if you get machop/ heracross and lvl them you can win through super effective attacks.
>>59137017How did you stop her? I always wiped to her ace, mega gardevoir
>>59136388Zamn, I swear I remember Hau having a decent team. His fight on the third island can even blindside you because his Raichu just evolved and it sweeps if you aren't on the ball
>>59137023Step 1:Don't use Flygon.
>>59137051Why? Flygon is one of my favorites
>>59137040imo hau is a bit tough but other challengers have better teams, but then you’re higher level and also rainbow rocket is harder than him as well
>>59136393fpbp
>>59136388Diantha's issue is literally a programming fumble. Ace Trainers and Black Belt/Battle Girl NPCs in XY are given the highest AI setting, highest IVs, and coverage moves. For some reason Diantha has worse AI and IVs than even generic trainers (her IVs are 8 across the board).
>>59136393/thread
>>59136388none of that is really relevant when you have affection bonuses and megas making you disgustingly overpowered. you have to consider player power too. maybe if you handicap yourself it might be mildly challenging, but come on.
>>59136388*Gets swept by a Krookodile with Moxie + Power Up Punch, EQ, Crunch, and Rock Slide
>>59136388>3197 avguh, what are the actual numbers for these two then? And where is Iris and Alder?
>>59136388And yet she's still the easiest champion because Mega Lucario sweeps everything. Even without that, she's easy.
>>59136388>toyou meant “too”XY absolutely is easyI don’t personally consider it a bad thing, but it’s disingenuous to say it isn’t easy>>59136959I will always love diantha even though she’s dime store iris
>>59136388If you asked me to recall Diantha's team I would only be able to give you MegaGarde
>>59136393as always first post is best post
>>59136388Yes. It is too easy
>>59136388Convenient of you to leave out Lance who has three 600bst pokemon on his team....
"Pokemon games are easy" vs. "Pokemon games are easy".
>>59136388I would have kept Gardevoir, Goodra, and Aurorus. I would have replaced the other 3 with Chandelure, Mienshao, and Snorlax. Why cut out the other 3 Gen 6 mon? Blame Game Freak for only making 60 lol
The only "hard" champion is Cynthia in BDSM
>>59136800This, literally every single game (except USUM, but that's because Ultra Necrozma is just a bloated stat beast that needs Toxic Mimikyu to deal with) can be mogged and raped by soloing with your starter.
Her ace doesn't even have an ability, she's a complete fucking joke. The fact that she has such an inflated BST and yet nobody even mentions her as a good trainer should really say a lot about just how bad the team itself is.
>had to average N with his shitty dad in order to gimp gen 5N is the strongest champion, easy. Reshikrom stack him a bit, sure, but ubers is still a format.
>>59137793>keeping aurorusWhy must you genocide us oppressed gamers like this?
>>59136388>Hawlucha is alright>Gourgeist and Goodra aren't very good and will probably come in too late to do anything meaningful>Aurouras is really bad>Tyrantrum is okay>Mega Gardevoir would be better if it had a moveset that took advantage of it's ability instead of functionally not having one.Cynthia having two good Pokemon alone is better than that, let alone something like Wallace using pretty good Pokemon from a good type.
>>59136982Whitney is a casual filter
>>59137978>>Aurouras is really badGame Freak giving her Aurorus a shitdick moveset doesn't fucking help.
>>59136393That'll do, anon. That'll do.
>>591363882/3 of her team dies to Ice Beam
>>59138148RIP Lance
>>59136388y. You don't even need to attack to beat it.https://youtu.be/xVwo0tcH4G4?si=EzgyoKzAKWGeAPjd
>>59136601>>59137978>both fossil mons were used by Grant>hawlucha is used by Korrina>ace isn't even from the region and was already used as an ace for wallyThat just leaves Gourgeist and Goodra as her only original pokemon.
>>59137022Or you can use the same geodude (female) you used for Bugsy and Falkner. Yes, you will also use this geodude against morty, as well as jasmine's magnemites.
>>59138548Shit Freak didn't disgrace Aurorus enough with its stats and typing so they're giving it shit movesets.
>>59136388yeah I lost against her 3 times. I had to grind up my aegislash to beat her.
>>59136388Sorry what was that, I think I stepped on a champion with my buffed ass pokemon courtesy of the broken exp shareE4 is just kind of a victory lap at that point
>>59137051Ironically enough, that is how I beat her mega gardevoir originally. The game was new so I used amie a lot, and I probably didn't even know gardevoir was part fairy now, so I ended up with flygon out against gardevoir. He got his ass bombed but "flygon toughed it out so you wouldn't feel sad :)" and just beat her ass in.
>>59136393All that work to make a shitty picrel and you body xem with a letter. Amazing work anon.
>>59136388>XY is to easyYeah, it really is.
>>59138662Post tournament results then
>>59136388Her Hawlucha swept my team
>>59138666I got first place in Pokemon world tournament in black 2
>>59138598How?>>59138666Tournament results has nothing to do with finding a game easy>>59138675How?
>>59138666>VGCFanfic Meta. Only Meta that matters is if Charizard is the most used Mon of a generation (none of Masuda's games)
>Tournament results has nothing to do with finding a pvp game easywhat did anon mean by this?
>>59138687>How?It used Swords Dance and then outsped and one shotted my whole team
>>59138666Surehttps://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/worlds/2014/teams/mastersAs you can see, basically none of Diantha's Pokemon are topping in VGC. She only has one and she wastes her Mega slot on Gardevoir removing it's ability.But that's just top 4, here's a wider lookhttps://www.nimbasacitypost.com/2014/09/teams-and-results-from-2014-world.htmlAs you can see, it's just non-Mega Gardevoir pretty much.I dunno why you'd care about Doubles tournament results when talking about a Singles format game, but there you go.
>>59138689Ah yes, notorious real person Diantha
>>59138713XY is Diantha? What DID anon mean by this again?
>>59136388Pic rel
>>59138437Man is insane but in a good way
How would you feel if her team was;> Mienshao Lv64 (Inner Focus)High Jump Kick | Acrobatics | Bulk Up | Poison Jab> Chandelure Lv65 (Flash Fire)Hex | Fire Blast | Trick Room | Toxic> Lapras Lv65 (Water Absorb)Ice Beam | Hydro Pump | Psychic | Thunderbolt> Goodra Lv66 (Sap Sipper)Draco Meteor | Earthquake | Rain Dance | Thunder> Kangaskhan Lv66 (Scrappy, Item: Kangaskhanite)Return | Reversal | Power-Up Punch | Giga Impact> Florges Lv68 (Flower Veil, Item: Sitrus Berry)Moonblast | Petal Dance | Psychic | Misty Terrainor (if you don't take issue with Champions using mythical Pokemon)> Diancie Lv68 (Clear Body, Item: Sitrus Berry)Diamond Storm | Moonblast | Psychic | Ancient Power
>>59138982If this were before ZA I'd be asking "what thematic reason does she have to use Kangaskhan as her Mega and arguably ace", and I'm still sort of asking that now because I dunno if her daughter is old enough to have been born before XY and I both don't want to do the math or turn to dust instantly thinking about how it's been over 12 years since XY came out.
>>59138696I've never heard of that happening. Were you not able to ohko?
>>59138992Yeah that's fair, it's definitely a hindsight thing with Kangaskhan also I thought in universe it'd only been like five years? I dunno what XY Mega to go with though that wouldn't result in a type overlapvwhile still fitting
Diantha's mons are honestly OK, except Gourgeist. It has "good" Defense, but Grass/Ghost has too many weaknesses to make a difference. It's not like Spiritomb who could be a wall.
>>59136388what the fuck is that creature right of hau?
>>59138982It'd be nice to get a Champion whose designed around a more in-depth concept than "Gardevoir is a shillmon now and needs a face to shill it"
>>59138751>pretending to be a Diantha fan just because Cynthia mindbroke you like she did to shawnSAD
>>59139116Was Gardevoir a shillmon though? Mewtwo was the first Mega revealed and in-game Lucario is much more prominently used as the representative for Mega Evolution. Even for the Fairy-Type I think it gets upstaged by Sylveon in terms of being an identifiable representation of the type.
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>>59139139XY tried to make Gardevoir a shillmon, that's why the Champion uses one. It's kind of like Charizard where its natural popularity eventually finally got acknowledged by GF and now they're desperate enough to go "see, more of what you like!" Like it's one of the few mons that's never been Dexited alongside Rat or Lucario. I think that qualifies
>>59139158Ralts and Snorunt are in a weird place in terms of dex attendance where they're both pretty much guaranteed attendance outside of LGPE solely due to the Dawn Stone, which otherwise has nothing to incite evolution.It's the same reason you always see some configuration of Misdreavus, Murkrow, Litwick and Honedge for the Dusk Stone, or a configuration of Minccino, Togepi, Budew and Flabebe for the Shiny Stone.
>>59139171that seems like silly rationale when they've disregarded stones for entire gens before
>>59136388glad I’m not the only one who found her hard
>>59137022>or if you get machop/ heracrossRemember that in Crystal you can actually trade one Abra for a female Machop in Goldenrod's megastore, so is even easier.
>>59139423That hasn't really been the case since Gen 3 (Where the Sun and Moon stones were annoyingly limited unless you could rely on Wild Solrock/Lunatone/Clefairy), since Gen 4's Underground mining minigame there's always been a way to renew all currently available stones. And even if your version didn't have any mons to use those stones on, you could always trade to receive them.But ever since dexit, they've taken great care to make sure you ALWAYS have those particular Pokemon available so a stone isn't rendered pointless.
>>59139171You know damn well the Dawn Stone is kept because of Ralts' attendance and not because of "stones are important" because after Gen VII they stopped making new mons evolve with stones entirely, just retconned old evos to evolve with stones like the Eeveelutions. If they felt like retconning the Dawn Stone, they would, but they don't need to because the Dawn Stone is a stone so that would be completely pointless to take out of the game compared to the Contest mechanics or Environmental Rocks
>because after Gen VII they stopped making new mons evolve with stones entirelyScovillain, Bellibolt, Cetitan.
>>59136388Pokémon is easy, the only chalange in the series is red, and only because the high lvs
>>59136414The only characters that's i remember are the mcs, shauna lysandre and korrina
>>59136860Only red
>>59136388Freeze Dry and Bullet Punch are the only two moves you need
>>59137243>her IVs are 8 across the boardWhat? Didn't all champions have perfect ivs?
>>59137943Ghentis is harder
>>59137908That's only the case for USUM if you're banning the use of rotom powers, affection, and x items/potions
>>59137908UN can also get fucked over by a Zoroark cause the disguise makes it go for Photon Geyser and the AI wasn't programmed to either know ahead of time or be able to figure out the disguise through type matchup.
Aurorus needs to be a fat mountain of soft doughy blubber.
>>59138548Don’t forget you fight Shauna and her goodra a little bit before Diantha too.
>>59136388>gets bodied by my mom's hand-me-down blue bipedal dog>everything else it doesn't OHKO gets crippled by Ice attacks>"Run Killer"Even a person with a deficiency in brain cells could beat her.
>>59140196>Bullet Punch is the only move you need
>>59137023I sent out CHARIZARD! (The nickname I gave my own Charizard back in gen 1, KANTO, remember when names were all caps? I headcannoned that this was his son, just a little joke for myself), clicked Mega Evolve, and then proceeded to oneshot her entire team with Drought boosted Flamethrower and Dragon ClawActually Goodra took two hits if I remember correctly, I don't remember what it did but CHARIZARD! won without issue.
>>59137695I know she has Gourgeist.I remember it for the same reason I remember Geeta's Gogoat. Random grass shitmon inexplicably on the champion's team, for reasons that can only boggle the mind.
>>59140221I know they don't in older generations. I know specifically that Cynthia has 0IV pokemon, because as a kid I used my Action Replay to catch her Spiritomb and Garchomp, and those pieces of shit had 0. Didn't matter for Spiritomb, I never actually wanted to use it, but did for Garchomp.
>>59136388Lance's bst is 3389, btw
>>59136388Everyone is (rightfully) calling this graph out for omitting Lance.But nobody is calling this graph out for it casually suggesting N and Ghestis have "about 3197" BST, when N has fucking 3307, and Ghestis has 3077. N blows Diantha out, too, you disingenuous little faggot
>iphone filenameAre we SURE this isn't a Sharty post?
>>59141662Honestly Ghetsis having a lower BST than Geeta is really all you need to know, Ghetsis is actually mildly difficult and doesn't have the worst use of Pokemon that should be good. He also doesn't use Gogoat, but that's not really fair because Gogoat didn't exist at the time.
>>59141629Because uuuhhhhhhhhhhh Blue's Exeggutor and Cynthia's Roserade! People liked those champions just do that again
>>59141709Ghestis really does rely and coast heavily on HydreigonThe rest of his team is pretty ass, and mostly just exists to rough up your good pokemon and get things into range where Hydreigon oneshots. They're mostly fatties that are hard to oneshot, and will take a bite out of things before they go down, but aren't really particularly threatening besides that. I think it is kinda fitting, that Ghestis' strategy revolves around pretty expendable, whatever pokemon that he couldn't care less about, and then one super strong ace that comes out to finish things.
>>59141740The fact that he starts with a Toxic Protect stalling Cofagrigus that Mummies your team's abilities is so funny, you just know that coffin was his backup plan if N tried to turn on him with the dragons
>>59141732Exeggutor was (on paper, Blue's is built badly) one of the most competitively viable pokemon of its generation, and was part of the elemental core of his team that exists to accomodate his starter. Cynthia's Roserade is... a better case. That kind of is jusy a random grass shitmon. I think Cynthia having Cherrim would be a better case, but, Roserade is a weak link on her team. Garchomp, Lucario, and Milotic make up what I think pretty much everyone would agree is the "core" Cynthia team, maybe Spiritomb.
>>59141662>>59141709>lower end of team bst, only higher than the first ever final boss, a fag, and children>possibly the hardest fight listed unless BDSP is consideredour FVARKING villain...
>>59136388You knowWhen you really think about itIf this graph is giving Diantha the extra 100 BST for Mega Gardevoir, then Leon really should get the extra HP for Dynamaxing Charizard. Charizard has base 78 HP, I know that doubling the raw stat isn't quite doubling the base stat, but it's actually better, not worse, so calling it +78 is actually a modest guess. So Leon's BST should actually be 3317 on this graph, meaning that's THREE champions with higher BST than Diantha
>>59141785>If this graph is giving Diantha the extra 100 BST for Mega Gardevoir, then Leon really should get the extra HP for Dynamaxing Charizardw-W-WAIT NO HOLD UP
>>59141785Wouldn't that also buff ORAS Steven too for Megagross?
>>59141806Yeah, it would. +100 on Steven
>>59141816>>59141806Actually I just checked, Megagross was already accounted for in thatOP WAS off by 5, Steven's actual BST is 3185, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say they made an honest mistake
