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>>59142797
somehow, this got the best ability and arguably best Mega.

>oh no no no no
>___fags btfo
ect, ect

Starmie, Meganium, Froslass, and Floette are the only good ones. Everything else is garbage.

How did they fuck up this badly?

>>59142812
I feel like an Adaptability user with 150 special attack's nothing to sneeze at

>>59142797
Reminder, all of these will eventually have to compete with Mega Salamence.

>>59142815
Glimmora has a nasty type combination for Adaptability, Rock + Poison always was a strong offensive combination. There's some also other okay to decent but pretty much only the ones you mentioned plus Glimmora have the really good ones.

>>59142815
This is the same company that admitted in 2013 they thought Malamar and Barbaracle would be VGC staples, and couldn't understand why people wanted to run special attacks on Aegislash (150 SpA mon who isn't protected from burns when it transforms).

>>59142797
ZA Megas were literally a Mistake, holy KEK

>>59142797
They really want to kill people's desire for megas huh holy fucking shit

>>59142797
Floette and Glimmora are going to be annoying with spread moves probably. Glimmora gets a slight attack buff for rock slide and mortal spin, white Floette buffs itself and its ally with fairy aura for dazzling meme double spam.

>>59142820
Basically Nidoking but better

>>59142812
not with the meme starfish running around

>>59142830
Rock adaptability is kind of terrifying coming from that stat spread.
I'm so fucking thankful it can't use specs.

>>59142830
>strong offensive combination
it's resisted by both ground and steel lmao what the fuck are you smoking

Xerneas basically cares about running Moonblast because Fairy Aura is so strong but it might be a little more complicated for Floette. It literally doesn't have coverage other than Grass moves unless Champions changed something. It only does half damage against Zard Y and Mega Gengar.

>>59142861
It wouldn't be able to use Specs even if wasn't a Mega since it's gone together with Band and Life Orb.

>>59142905
It has Psychic to deal with Poison-types.

>>59142870
>Has Earth power and Energy ball
I kneel...

friendly reminder that mega glimmora is significantly weaker than base form as it can't use power herb + meteor beam!

>>59142797
>Clefable
Neat? Magic bounce isnt crazy in doubles unless you're Hatterene, and it wants its base abilities in singles more. Still might have a niche.
>Victreebel
Meme.
>Starmie
Will be cracked in singles. It's good at literally everything there. Physical, mixed, you name it. Doubles more niche probably.
>Dragonite
Meme. Lowered attack and itemless 145 spa with zero boosting opportunities. Worse than the original.
>Meganium
Fun in singles. Probably a gimmick in doubles.
>Feraligatr
See Meganium.
>Skarmory
Meme.
>Chimecho
Meme.
>Froslass
One of the only ones that will see actual doubles use. I shouldn't need to explain why a fast offensive ice type with delayed snow warning + veil is good.
>Emboar
Meme.
>Excadrill
Niche. Ability was nerfed and it can't crit like the bear, so It's intimidate fodder.
>Chandelure
Meme.
>Golurk
See Excadrill.
>Chesnaught
See Meganium
>Delphox
See Meganium
>Greninja
Meme.
>Floette
100% the cause for the inevitable Flutter Mane nerf where it loses dazzling gleam. Annoying spread spammer. Will be good.
>Meowstic
Meme? Looks like worse Alakazam on paper, but getting the comp boost off of intimidate on the female and then clicking expanding force/earth power/moonblast feels like the smallest workable gimmick.
>Hawlucha
See Meganium.
>Crabominable
Meme. God I wish it got Contrary.
>Drampa
Meme. Wish it got Mega Rain or whatever.
>Scovillain
"We want to nerf Urshifu somehow." Special spread attackers are everywhere in doubles, so it'll probably be good for farming points from shitters and little else.
>Glimmora
Seems to have some potential. Mortal spin/rock slide to chip away. Sludge wave and power gem to nuke. Earth power for pesky steels. 4MSS but it could work maybe.

>>59142970
Power herb isn’t even in champion so who gives a shit

>>59142976
mega glimmora has exactly one viable moveset and that's sludge wave/power gem/energy ball/earth power. anything else and it's walled by entire types, it needs both coverage moves and has zero room for utility.

Dragalge?

>>59142955
Oh, Psychic works, I forgot it learned that. I was more concerned about being unable to deal at least neutral damage but Psychic hits Gengar strong and Zard neutrally.

>>59142995
not in the game >>59141908

>>59142826
Chimecho keeping Levitate actually lets it do just that

>>59142989
It doesn't need to run all that, you don't need to build a mon around perfect coverage. It'll run Power Gem and Earth Power because it kills Incineroar, Zard, Flying-types and a lot of stuff. Sludge Wave if Fairy-types become good. Earth Power for... IDK, but probably you want it.

>>59143033
It'll run Power Gem because*
I don't know what Earth Power is doing with Champions selection of mons.

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>>59142797
They added Roost to Drampa's moveset, so Berserk might not be bad

>>59142797
Comparing with some random romhack
>Mega Clefable: Serene Grace
>Mega Victreebel: Corrosion
>Mega Starmie: Pure Power
>Mega Dragonite: Soul-Heart
>Mega Meganium: Solar Power
>Mega Feraligatr: Dragon's Maw
>Mega Skarmory: Tough Claws
>Mega Chimecho: Levitate
>Mega Froslass: Snow Warning
>Mega Emboar: Supreme Overlord
>Mega Excadrill: Mold Breaker
>Mega Chandelure: Shadow Tag
>Mega Golurk: No Guard
>Mega Chesnaught: Stamina
>Mega Delphox: Levitate
>Mega Greninja: Adaptability
>Mega Floette: Misty Surge
>Mega Meowstic: Psychic Surge
>Mega Hawlucha: Stamina
>Mega Crabominable: Ice Scales
>Mega Drampa: Drizzle
>Mega Scovillan: Chlorophyll
>Mega Glimmora: Rocky Payload

>>59143033
if it doesn't have earth power it can't even scratch archaludon.

>>59142989
Glimmora's VGC history barely showed it running energy ball at all, and power gem at only about the same proportion of mortal spin. Spiky shield/earth power/stab/stab will probably be the main set, with power gem/rock slide/mortal spin/sludge bomb or wave being its stab options.

There's one real relevant ground type that it cares about smacking with energy ball (Ursaluna), which makes sense why it never runs it. Garchomp and Lando take more damage from earth power and power gem respectively. Excadrill will take more from earth power. Maybe it will be prompted if Golurk rises in usage, but probably not.

>>59142797
What's M-Zygarde's?

>>59142905
> It literally doesn't have coverage
that's the point, i think. just spam fairy moves all day every day

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>>59143041
>Mega Emboar: Supreme Overlord
only a bort could be this delusional

>>59143063
idk, the mega can't do power herb meteor beam or assault vest toxic debris and those were the two main sets for glimmora
i will be extremely surprised if people don't just stick with the base form and use actually strong megas instead

>>59143066
About half of the megas are not in the game and no legendaries in the base rooster

>>59143090
>base roster
oh right, its fucking GF, they cant put mons in for SHIT

>>59143041
Tell me the romhack so that I can download it before they update

I saw someone say that Spicy Spray burned all mons in doubles when activated, that's not true, is it?

>>59143104
Quetzal 8.4

>>59143041
>Mega Chimecho: Levitate
Was Game Freak inspired by this romhack?

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THEY LEARNED NOTHING FROM MEGA AUDINO

>>59142797
>scovillain and glimmora might actually be decent
huh

>>59143130
No ability short of Wonder Guard would save Mega Scovillain, that stat spread is abominable.

>>59142797
Please tell me there's something that Meowstic does better than Alakazam

>>59143146
It's stronger against Incineroar and learns Thunderbolt for Zard, that's about it.

>>59143146
female meowstic has competitive to benefit from intimidate. that being said there is literally no reason to run it over zam with how slow it is in comparison.

>>59142797
>Mega Skarmory: Stalwart
Is this a joke? I thought Mold Breaker was bad, but Gamefreak really thinks this is a mega-tier ability?
Absolute retards

>>59143169
More or less, 124 is an okay benchmark since a lot of meta stuff is in the 100-120 range but there's so many faster megas. Alakazam with 150 puts at the very top considering the mons allowed though and this might mean a lot, specially since it's faster than stuff like M-Greninja and M-Gengar.

>>59143170
It'd make more sense if strategy was more encouraged but they do seem more interested in unga bunga here

>>59143010
Let's make our peace already, Golisopodbros...

>>59142844
This just confirms that Masuda fluked it with most of the Megas introduced in XY. The second we knew Megagross and Megamence were things with their BS abilities while every other introduced mega that wasn’t named Swampert or Sableye was fucked from the start.

The problem is that Trace is completely unreliable in Doubles. In Singles, Trace is good against Mega Swampert Rain teams and Pokémon with with abilities that give immunities to their own elements. It notably traces Regenerator and is able to heal through it which is very good. In Doubles, Trace has 50% chance of tracing either ability from your opponent and often they'll be running stuff like weather setting abilities or abilities that you can't make use of so Trace is basically the same as not having an ability.

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>>59143143
78% winrate

>>59143289
Keep in mind that this Winrate is also while people were using Megas with actually good abilities like Meowstic getting Psychic Surge.
That Winrate is only gonna get higher now that its competition is pure shit.

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>>59142797

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>>59142826
oh of course, how could we have ever made such a foolish mistake? clearly there's no need to ever humor the idea of literally anything else because one thing is good enough. obviously. how were we ever so naïve? seriously, nothing can ever be duscussed in good faith here because half you bozos insist on this kind of insipid thought terminating bullshit in every discussion. every single time i come back to this board i'm immediately reminded why i leave so often. you people are fucking impossible.

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>>59142797
I need Raichu abilities

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>>59143289
>used on 0.88% of teams
>only 100+ battles
Meanwhile in the club of the actually used mons (2,000+ battles)...

>>59142797
Another 3000 years of mega mence meta

>>59143313
sorry maybe i shouldnt have taken that out on some random guy guy, just sick of the "who cares mega mence wins end of discussion" shit i keep seeing in every thread. been a long day.

what's hawlucha gonna do, use a 10% more accurate hjk?
does it even get dynamic punch? this is some dumb shit

>Sacrifice your Banette to kill the other guy
>Sacrifice your Glalie to kill the other guy
>Sacrifice your Victribelle to kill the other guy

>>59143346
in defense of glalie it can at least get up spikes before dying. in vgc it can also kill two guys!

>>59142797
mega drampa not getting drizzle is a crime against its design, it's a crime against china lore, its a crime against the very concept of a dragon, and its a crime against my heart ;_;

>>59143342
Stone Edge and Rock Slide, they might give it Dynamic Punch, have Champions movesets been ripped?

>>59143346
you can't really even sacrifice the victreebell, you just have to hope your opponent doesn't ignore it lmao
granted there are probably some ways to get them to do it like spread sleep perhaps

>>59143318
Winrate matters more than usage rates.
>>59143346
Mega Victreebel isn't even guaranteed to get a KO. You could easily do 80% and now koing it barely deals any damage to you.

>>59143361
I admittedly liked the stupid Berserk gimmick but that was back in Gen 7 with the pinch berries and roost. This ain't exactly it kek.

>>59143366
>Winrate matters more than usage rates
>Orthworm
>Vivillon
>Araquanid
No, no it doesn't. If you're the only person who picks Ledian, wins one battle against a shitter with it, and takes it off the team, It's going to have a 100% usage rate. The best science on statistics typically suggests having 2,000+ examples for data, anyway, incidentally. Dondozo's or Froslass's winrates quite literally matter more than your favorite shitmon's.

>>59143380
Drampa has Roost again

>>59143396
100% win rate*

Also see: 2006 Smogon memeing "Noobvire" into OU despite it being abject dogshit.

>>59143361
yeah, out of every shitty decision here I think that one's the most egregious
they had the perfect opportunity to create a non-water rain setter that could make use of both thunder and hurricane, but no, just giving it the same ability as the base pokemon is apparently good enough

>>59143423
No Meowstic is definitely the worst. Alakazam exists with basically the exact type, moves and better stats and they gave Meowstic the same fucking ability as that.

>>59143447
agreed. it's frankly disgusting how badly they treated meowstic, they didnt even like give it a shitty ability to pretend to differentiate it they just straight up said "you are a shit version of mega zam."

>>59143396
That’s a pretty disingenuous argument. There is a lot more games than just 1 using Mega Scovillain, and it’s not just shitters playing against their friends and using their ingame teams. Scovillian was facing off against Mega Metagross, Mega Salamence, Incineroar, Mega Gengar, and buffed versions of ZA Megas and against people who knew what they were doing. Yet, Scovillain was beating them all whenever someone was using it.

>>59143447
Not the same moves but point stands

>>59142797
>no drizzle for drampa
that talk about summoning storms...

>>59143447
both suffer from their dex entries clearly pushing for abilities that they weren't given.
they hammered in drampa's ability to create storms and meowstic's spatial manipulation only to chicken out of drizzle and psychic surge for what I can only assume is some autistic vendetta against designs they aren't willing to shill, since charizard y is still allowed to be in the game just fine

>>59143487
I mean it's basically the same. They're just psychic McGee learning psychic moves, shadow ball, dark pulse, dazzling gleam, focus blast. Off the top of my head okay Meowstic gets moonblast.

>>59143515
fem meowstic got earth power in za, dunno if it keeps it in champions but that's about the only real difference

>>59143515
Meowstic also gets Earth Power and Thunderbolt

>>59143515
Earth Power, Thunderbolt and Moonblast are very relevant differences

Trop Kick is 85 BP now?

>Giving out Fairy Aura and Unseen Fist is fine
>Giving out Dragon's Maw is not fine

>>59143526
>Alakazam doesn't get thunderbolt
What the fuck? I had no idea this entire time. Maybe I conflated it with Mr. Mime because I know for sure Mr. Mime a fellow Gen 1 psychic type gets it.

>>59142797
Glimmora confirmed new shillmon.

>>59143576
It had Thunder Punch which was Special pre-split so Zam used to have special Elec coverage. Thunderbolt is common with Psychic-types like Gardevoir and Gothitelle so it's easy to forget Zam doesn't learn it

>>59143315
not in yet

>>59143606
they seriously don't even have their entire limited roster available on release?

>>59143672
sorry buddy
modern nintendo has to dripfeed everything, please understand

>>59143672
oh, Raichu is in, just not the mega stones. might get lucky next month if they get put in the battle pass!

>>59142797
>Mega Glimmora: Adaptability
Geeta won

>>59143679
She's from Paldea so you won't be seeing her using Megas over Tera

High Jump kick or Flying press for Mega Hawlucha?

>>59142976
your farts didn't need such a wall of text. you are a nobody with nobody's opinion, really.

>>59143768
Neither are good, just use Close Combat assuming it still learns it.

>Why?
High Jump Kick causes recoil upon Protect and is merely 10BP above CC.
Flying Press double typing isn't interesting as it may initially seem because you'll be hitting Rock and Steel Pokémon for neutral damage instead Super-Effective, Electric Pokémon for half and there isn't any overlap between types so you won't actually get to see it doing 4x damage on anything outside Grass/Dark Pokémon.

>>59143788
>new info revealed
>WHY ARE YOU DISCUSSING IT???
Someone didn't get his naptime at daycare today

Are the 3 Z megas the only new PLZA megas missing at launch?

>>59143850
The raichus, falinks, and a few others are missing

Man No Guard feels like the most filler Ability possible

>>59143860
Lol why
So weird

When is the next update/season?

>>59143872
Two months from now lmao

>>59143861
HJK and stone edge are pretty great for it. At least it's a useful ability unlike most of the megas we got this time apparently.
What the fuck is skarmory doing with a doubles only ability, nobody is bringing that bitch to VGC

BUT WHAT'S THE WORST MEGA OF THE NEW BUNCH AND OVERALL?

>>59143928
Skarmory. Meowstic is the worst decision but the stat spread is good, for the base mon anyway.

>>59143950
are you sure it's not victrebell? I don't know what innards out is going to do for it

>>59143957
When I was typing the post I was going to put it together but I think Innards Out might be a more impactful ability since you could bait, IDK, Charizard into pressing Weather Ball and KO'ing both or forcing the opponent to hit you twice to not get maximum damage and making it better for your partner. I think it's a shit ability but I think it's also kinda annoying to deal so I think Victreebel is a better mega for that.

>>59143928
Victreebel

>>59143231
Golisbros....

>>59143928
>>59143950
Skarmory can still sword dance and get a weak armor boost sweep. Even if it doesn't have an ability after mega (why doubles only ability) it's still better than some like victrebell

>>59142797
>hawlucha: no guard

WHHYYYYY

>>59142797
>30fps on switch 2

>>59143231
First Impression just got buffed to 100 BP
Have faith

>>59143231
Its ability will do a comple 360 and prevent it from switching out instead, which will make the mega ass but for a completely different reason

>>59142797
>Mega Starmie: Huge Power
>it was real
Aieeeee

>>59144484
No shit

>>59142797
So what were all the leaks and theories before?

>>59142797
Do we have movepools yet? Any notable additions?

>>59144918
People are only noticing the notable exclusions

>>59144924
Charizard and Drampa got Roost back, and Aegislash got Poltergeist.

>>59143957
Keep in mind innards out is banned in balanced hackmons but massively used in PH as a strong murder-suicide button that OMs guys hated so much they regressed to gen 6 PH just so they wouldn't see it anymore
The SFMA spread makes more sense, since you dissuade opp of attacking by simply existing, and you get the best recovery move in the game to use in tandem

>>59142976
>Hawlucha
>not a meme
Hope you like hurricanes and thunder.

>>59142797
>Mega Victreebel: Innards Out
>Mega Skarmory: Stalwart
Just... why?

>turns out enough time has passed for everyone to forget just how fucking terrible of a gimmick megas were for actual competitive play because of how poorly balanced against each other they are

>>59142797
>Mega Meowstic: Trace
killing myself

>>59143950
Skarmory will still be good and usable even without an ability that boosts it's damage
Those stats don't lie and flying type is one of the strongest right now

>>59145293
Terachads so smug right now

>>59142797
>Huge Power Self Destruct Mega Starmie
Holy fucking shit

Give Mimikyu follow me NOW

>>59145409
Heh, my mega Skarmory ignores that shit

>>59142797
Most of the new Mega's abilities are straight up garbage.

>>59145309
> flying type is one of the strongest right now
heavy duty boots are gone for now, so stealth rocks are going to dominate yet again

>>59143096
They wanted a lower power format to start probably

imagine sleeping on 80 base hp innards out with the amount of utility victreebel has.

>>59145543
The problem is that you're playing with no ability until you die, and death is only a trade at best.

>>59145543
imagine coping this hard for a mega that's designed to die

>>59145543
anon, innards out is only good if the user is OHKO or at least loses a huge chunk of its HP on the attack that kills it.
Victreebel gained 20 points on each of its defenses upon Mega evolving, actively making it less weaker as an user of this ability.
It's not as bad as Pyukumuku, who had its stats spread on the worst possible way to benefit from this ability, but still pretty bad.

>>59142797
how much attack does mega starmie get?

>>59145590
Base 100 with Huge Power. Equal to Mega Medicham.

>>59145543
>Be at 30% and die
>Only do 30% back
Or you could use bannett and kill them always

>>59145581
You know what, I take this back.
Thinking again, it will probably work by playing mind games with the enemy. It has the offensive presence to hit hard, while the enemy will be forced to purposefully avoid hitting it.
It can have a similar effect even if it's not in the field anymore, since at any point you can throw it back as a suicide bomb.

>>59145581
good thing it has strength sap to keep itself topped up while crippling threats if you leave it alone or try to chip it. this is clearly intended as a doubles mon and /vp/ is being singles brained idiots as usual.

>>59145543
Yeah let me use my special one time use super power gimmick on a mon that's only purpose is dying

>>59145628
if anything it sounds like it'd be worse in doubles where it's easier to ignore/double target. it's a singles mon through and through

Kill off Megas again, what a shit gimmick

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>>59142797
I WILL EVOLVE AND THEN COPY NOTHING FROM THE OTHER SIDE