They lost the Merrick.
>>59143775>When a game stumbles at launch it wont recoverMasters is still going and its launch was literally burning phones
>>59143775you know it's not a game fully developed by gamefreak when this autistic manchild doesn't shill it
>>59143775>Game so bad even John Serebii has s critical takeI don't have a switch 2, what's even going on in Champions? Do they show you a baby getting skinned alive during the tutorial? How the fuck did they get Joe to make such a post?
>>59143804It says seldom not won’t
>>59143883There’s like 10 items, 30 berries, outfit choices are a bit limited, pokemon are very limited, rentals kinda suck and you need to spend a good amount of points to fix their movesets, you can only rent pokemon for a week and lose them after, otherwise you have to purchase them using fairly limited tickets, visuals are a little funky at times, unclear when you’re playing against bots vs real people since the game doesn’t really tell you, basically no rewards for losing a match. Just some things I’ve seen people mention.
>>59143883bro, this nigga hasnt been comp relevant forever. his opinion means nothing. that said, why'd nintendo bother mentioning the s2 patch. its eye cancer
I think the worst thing out of Champions is how expensive the premium battle pass. It literally costs 15 dollars for just two pokemon, some clothing options and avatars.
They've lost the biggest shill, it's fucking OVER
>>59143775Masters stumbled and it recovered. This is a cheap cash grab that will be forced as the VGC for the next 10 years, it will succeed.
>>59143938just dont buy it. of all the dumb shit in champions, this matters the least.
>>59143775Joe is allowed to criticize them if it isn't made by gamefreak
>>59143883Isn't champions also on the switch 1?
>>59143838You guys have been obsessing over this guys' every move for the past decade and you call him the autistic manchild?
>>59143775>30fps on switch 2
>>59143775So it's a good game.Merrick never was right.
>>59143891I did NOT want to quote him.
>>59143775Champions has been a dumb idea from the get go, it's a patch for something that shouldn't be a problem on the first place.
>>59144223Damn that’s crazy
Champions isnt made by GF ..?Who is it made by then?
>>59144236
>>59143947>will be forced as the VGCwtf i love champions now
>>59144267what the hell is The Pokémon Works?
>Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"
>>59143947>recoveredMasters only got worse over time.
>>59144306Masters ~2021-2023/2024 was much better than its first year2024/2025+, yeah its crap again
>>59144301ilca
>>59144305The thing is that the enemy hold the C&D nuke above their heads.Being an open source project is kind of worthless when Nintendo can just force removal of source code from Git and slam everyone involved with life-eroding fines.In place of Showdown devs I'd be scrapping any Pokemon-related assets from the project and replace them with generic placeholders. Literally "Generic Monster Battler" with "Grass Frog", "Electric Rat" and "Fire Dragon" will be the future of Showdown at best.
>>59144376>In place of Showdown devs I'd be scrapping any Pokemon-related assets from the project and replace them with generic placeholders.An effective way to quickly kill Showdown.
>>59144391Well, the alternative is waiting till Nintendo and TPC will powerslam them in the court and demand gorillions of dollars. And obviously they gonna fucking do it because now Showdown is directly competing with their game.
>>59144408two more weeks until smogon is finished
>>59144408Based
>>59143775In theory, is the game worth checking out if you spend no money on it and don't even have Pokemon HOME?
>>59144424It's free to download, so that's that.
>>59144359>ilcaBut I thought GF/TPC hated ILCA after BDSP?thats what vp saidso they dont?GF liked BDSP?
>>59144424Game gives you one free permanent recruit and then 5 randoms to complete a team of 6, so it's not like it's leaving you dry right at the start. It's not like the game is forcing you to start with shits like Beedrill and whatnot
>>59144204What? Really? What the fuck lmao
>>59144424Game gives you plenty of resources on the start just for doing tutorials and normal play. It's enough to try it, but how long-term economy looks like is yet to be known.The ecosystem of gacha games is kind of silly because games survive on money of handful of whales, but because these whales very often are social inflenzas caring about people watching them, the game also must attract small spenders and F2P players while still giving enough reasons for big fags to spend extra. Can ILCA/TPC balance it out? I don't know.
>>59144451TPC absorbed ILCA and turned them into one of their side studios. While BDSP was shit, reality is that they have some experience with live service games.
>>59144451BD/SP is just D/P with forced EXP Share and Affection Boosts to fuck over the game's balance.Game Freak wants the games with traditional battles to be shit, so the Legends slop looks better in comparison.
>>59144305>>59144376>>59144391>>59144408>Remove all pokemon imagery and names, replace them with generic placeholders. Palworld creatures if they feel cheeky>Third party uploads a browser-extension that replaces placeholders with pokemon images and names>Showdown promotes said extensionDamn that was difficult. The extensión doesn't even need to host the images itself, it could just store urls to officially published images from nintendo
If game freak themselves made Champions he would NOT be saying this
>>59143775if this frumpy retard hates it you know it's probably good
>>59144305If this game didn’t look like complete shit it could take over the world I swear to god
>this game has issues!!>i-it just has!!!Sounds to me like gacha virgins feeling violated that they can't have a legit Nintendo-endorsed showdown simulator. Jfc the game doesn't even rub your face with prompts to buy the premiums
>>59144489>>59144494BDSP > SWSH/SV
>>59144550Yeah, obviously.Base D/P is a better game than anything on the Switch.Even with the "additions" that BD/SP added.
You have to prebuild a lot of Pokemon because everything that costs VP is insanely expensive. This shit is fucking insane.You also don't start off with the ZA mega stones for the starters. They're only obtainable through the season pass. I wanted to mess around with Mega Emboar, Feraligatr and Meganium, but nah. Can't even have that.
>>59144408They have no reason to go after Smogon, it's free, always has been free, gets people keep thinking about Pokémon, and lets comp players test dumb shit in two seconds.
>>59144732They are in the shop bro look again. Nothing is exclusive besides cosmetics
>>59144753He doesn’t have the game, just copies things he saw on twitter. Don’t try.
>>59144753Bold of (you) to assume he has 2k VP to spend on that
>>59144526How do you defend it not having every pokémon? Let alone that it somehow has fucking bugs, when the code for the battle system can literally be transplanted.
>>59144191Joe, I'm gonna rape you
>>59144765Sharty immigrants used to be better at baiting
>>59144765>How do you defend it not having every pokémonWe have known this for 6+ fucking months everyone understands how the ranked seasons work after a decade. God you can’t even talk about actual issues with modern games because some dexit retard will just work them into his “everything is le shit” doomposting
>>59144778>Doesn't even attempt to defend it, just appeals to authority
>>59144774Obsessed with us ShvrtyBVLLSNo arrow because I look like this and say this
>>59144782Sharty child, please update your bait posts
>>59144782holding back Pokemon means they don’t have to decide legal learnsets years in advance and ranked never has all the Pokemon. That’s the reason.
>>59144753For 2000 VP. That's shit is way too expensive like the other anon said. And it is true that the other alternative is to get them for free with the battle pass.Why couldn't these have been given for free when you transfer from ZA?
>>59144786We all seen the kuzcord leaks. It’s time to move on lil bro, your website is more shameful than gamefreak
>>59144790>holding back Pokemon means they don’t have to decide legal learnsets years in advanceAnd what exactly is the problem with doing it now? You can't call it anything but lazy, especially when there's only 186 fucking pokémon.>and ranked never has all the PokemonAnd if I don't want to play ranked?
>>59143838He's been shilling Pokopia and even spent days playing the game non-stop to work on the game's info database. Don't give me that "he only shills Gamefeak" bullshit.
>>59143804Masters makes an absolute fucking pittance when on paper it should be one of the top earning gachas every month just on brand alone. That's how fucking bad a bad launch is that it can even affect something like Pokemon that people slurp-up and eat up and defend like if it were their firstborn no matter how shit it gets.
>>59143883Joe only ever criticizes when the dev is not GF. He's going hard on this because its ILCA, despite the fact that I can guarantee you 90% of this game's issues are because of GF's supervision.
>>59144815>Masters makes an absolute fucking pittance when on paper it should be one of the top earning gachas every month just on brand aloneIt pulls in millions a month, since when is that a pittance?
>>59144790>holding back Pokemon means they don’t have to decide legal learnsets years in advance and ranked never has all the Pokemon.Yet they pre-emptively nerfed Unseen Fist and Leech Seed presumably months or even YEARS in advance before Urshifu or Calyrex EVER see playable status in Champions.
>>59144823For Pokemon? It is a pittance.For the gacha ecosystem? It is a pittance.The 6.5 anni earned a miserable 4mil and that was the best performing anniversary EVER in the game's history.For an anniversary? That's a pittance? For an anniversary on a Pokemon game that is a Pokemon gacha? That is a pittance.Everything is relative, retard.Stop being a pedantic cunt, you perfectly read and understood all of my post. Fuck off and kill yourself with your retarded gotcha attempts.
>>59144850if it's a pittance then pay me $5mil right now>b-but it's relativeDon't be such a faggot if you haven't got the money to back it up
>>59144526Gacha is automatically dogshit. This game was fucked from the start.
>>59144806I didn't play it but given Pokopia's general reception its likely he either actually thinks its a good game or doesn't want to go against the approved opinion.> "he only shills Gamefeak"Its not that, its that he can only criticize if GF didn't make it.Doesn't mean he'll hate anything not made by GF.
>>59144850Yeah exactly. Go and TCG Pocket make multiples of that. Masters has zero reach to normalfags. You have to be a sperg that only plays every mainline game for the story and not for the monsters.
>>59144897And even then, it's bad fanservice. Nonstop wank for Red and Cynthia with zero variety until it's time to shill the already-outdated nu-gen characters, then it's back to more alts for Red, Cynthia and Lillie.
>>59144778>everyone understands how the ranked seasons work after a decade>dexit retardYou can't say both of these at the same time
>>59144913Most of the writing is trash and everyone that isn't a shill character gets power crept so fast you're heavily encouraged not to use them. It's not enough a good png collector because there's nothing to do with these units.
>>59144778>some dexit retard will just work them into his “everything is le shit” doompostingThey should stop making shit games if they want that to stop.
>>59144966Having Purugly in the game won't magically make it stop being bad.
>>59144833Non sequitur, they know those moves and Pokemon are OP already. They don’t know what will happen if for example they give Raichu Y surf
>>59144970It would help.
>>59144979They didn't think people would use Aegislash as a special attacker.They don't think.
>>59144991>another non sequitur
>>59143775Pokemon Unite had a really unfortunate launch too. It affected it.It should launched closer to what it is now
>>59143775Pokemon champions won’t flop. People will have to adjust to the new official standard. Sucks to suck
>>59144998They have testing environments, they have people to occupy those testing environments. They can do whatever they want, they can give Flutter Mane Geomancy if they want just to see how it will play out. There is no "they don't know," there is only laziness.
>>59145007Champions is a gacha solely targeting the esports audience while removing 50% of the competitive side of the game. It's cooked.
>>59144452Donyou get permanent recruits later on?
>>59145015It’s not. This is the new official format and it’s easily accessible. The drip feed content is for longevity and to change the format when needed
>>59145007>Everyone just leaves for smogonNow what? Even if you play competitive irl you can practice on smogon as well for official tournaments, why use the buggy champions client that seems to just softlock you when it feels like it.
>>59145036Smogon has been out for years and nothing is stopping GF/TPC/Nintendo from shutting it down.
>>59144833>pre-emptivelythey nerfed Dark Void on Darkrai despite it literally never being legal in any competitive format. They aren't pre-empting shit it's a fully reactionary move because they're retarded.
>>59145020 It is. Mainline Pokemon games sell in the tens of millions. VGC in a year only pulls tens of thousands of competitors. They're the only ones who will play because they have stockholm syndrome.
>>59143775reminder that this is a mobile game at it's corehad it been a switch exclusive maybe it could've been the stadium 3 we all wanted
>>59145042It’s been legal in online doubles
>>59144793>2000 VP>ExpensiveBro, you literally get like 20k for free just by logging in for the first time and doing the shitty training tutorials.You'll have like 4-5 permanent tickets, so ultimately a whole team is going to cost you like 7-8k including training. What the fuck else are you going to spend vp on? Cosmetics?
>>59144793Not even counting all the freebies that game shits at you the moment you install it, 2k VP is like 30 minutes of ranking mode grind, maybe an hour if you are lobotomite that suck at Pokemon. Quit larping, faggot.
>>59145018You need to spend 2k VP to make a scout permanent. Otherwise they will stay for 7 days before leaving
>Free-to-play pokemon gameYou guys were delusional if you thought Game Freak/Nintendo was going to put any effort into this
>>59143775Et tu, Mistah Merriku?
>>59145261That's the neat thing. This is all ILCA again.Why the fuck are they still working on this franchise? BDSP had awful reception, both Game Freak and Nintendo know that.Guarantee if this was a Switch exclusive and you actually had to buy it, there would be some semblance of quality, no matter how slim.
>can be played without spending a single pennyAnd the issues being?
>>59145276>I'm giving you this coiled turd for free, you should be grateful!
>>59145275SV had awful reception, yet GF is still working on the franchise...
>>59143775This is dire.https://twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/2041780289295253872
>>59145275>This is all ILCA againHow much of it is IlCA? They’re probably responsible for things like the animations and lag but Game Freak had to be the ones to tell them what items, pokemon, and balancing changes were made
>>59145281>if I keep dodging the questions, I won't need to answer them
>>59145304I'd love you to explain how I dodged your question
>still dodging
>>59144752That's not how Nintendo sees stuff like this. They view fanmade content as a competitor undercutting them and sic their lawyers on it to shut it down.
>>59145356And the reason they haven't shut down Showdown is because?
>>59145298Winds & Waves should go full action game and Champions will be the only game with turn based gameplay going forward so VGC gets a taste of what us TCG fags have been going through since 2023
>>59145365They didn't have a game like Champions yet.
>>59145390I don't follow, why wait?
Funny how this never applies to gamefreak games. Only the spinoffs need standards, SV launching in the state it currently still is in is fine tho.
>>59145390That's retarded. Nintendo has been shutting down fan games for less
>>59145394That's a nice strawman you got there
>>59145450It's not a strawman. Joe always defends GF titles, but is critical of spinoffs.
>>59144359>studio so bad they have to work under a pseudonym so people don't immediately hate the game before releasewow
This makes me really curious about what all the competitive pokemon streamers/youtubers are going to do now. Because you just know all of them were gearing up to stream/upload today and shill the fuck out of this. But there’s no way you can sugarcoat how objectively shit this is. If this is going to be the official way to play vgc are they all going to have to grin and put up with it?
>>59145515They'll play it in so much they have to for VGC but I expect most are going to move to unofficial tournaments in prior gens for most of their content.
>>59145515Don't underestimate their shilling powers
>>59143775How do you fuck up this badly that even Joe hates it
>the fundamentals are herethey kind of aren't. its a battle simulator. if its not even simulating battles properly (bugs and low frame rate) its fucking failed.
>>59145515One of them already joked about becoming a minecraft streamer
So... Overall tldr on how bad this game is?
>>59144823If its a fakemon gachaslop not bad, sure its nowhere near top 10 in memecharts but counts as doing fineFor a gachaslop with pokemon name and models slapped on it? Sub 2m per month on average counts as "you fucked up nigga" realisticly this would have 7m++ if they didn't fuck up their first month and doing some questionable shit
>>59143775>Invaito himu
Genuinely asking, what’s the doomposting actually about? Is it just that the roster/item selection at launch is really limited?
>>59145692>Genuinely asking, what’s the doomposting actually about? Is it just that the roster/item selection at launch is really limited?it's really bugged, small rooster of both pokemon and items. It's absolutely not worth playing
>>59145692The game also looks like shit, its not doomposting the game legitimately is shit at Launch
>>59145685Unfinished bad. It’s like an early access steam asset flip. It has no reason to be so limited when all the models and whatnot aren’t new. It’s not even running at a good frame rate. It doesn’t even offer anything over SVs online except a different kind of meta with mega evolution. Let alone anything over Showdown. And SV runs better on switch 2 than this. Literally why would you release this tier.
>>59145671Because it's not directly made by GF he's allowed to criticize it without fear of bugs.
>>59145692People have to equip items and use pokemon they wouldn't normally use and are having a meltdown.But also it's indefensibly buggy.
>>59144823It's so insignificant in gacha department that autist who keep track of sales didn't bother to include it
>>59145747>People have to equip items and use pokemon they wouldn't normallythe only items in the game are the 20% type boost ones and berries how is that fun?
>>59145765Shell BellChoice ScarfScope LensQuick ClawLeftoversKing's RockBright PowderLight BallWhite HerbFocus Sash (and Focus Band)
>>59145692Small selection of Pokémon, tiny selection of items, extremely buggy They don't even have all of the ZA megas at launch
>>59144913>with zero variety until it's time to shill the already-outdated nu-gen characters, then it's back to more alts for Red, Cynthia and Lillie.This hasn’t been true for longer than it has been lol. 2 of these characters mostly get alts around the biyearly anniversaries. Characters like Steven, N, and Marnie fit this description better
does anyone know if the tiers work in like swsh/sv, where if you make it to a new poke ball level, you cant derank into the previous one?
>>59145786yeah anon i love playing with the item pool from GEN III
>>59144761>>59144793Git gud or pay up piggy
>>59145692Having a smaller Pokemon roster than fucking Pokemon Stadium 2 is inexcusable
>>59145863shittier movepool than gen III*choice band was INTRODUCED in gen 3
>>59145275bdsp outsold pla.you bought it anyway and are now reaping what you sow
>>59145863Where do you get a Choice Scarf in Gen 3?
>>59145706>>59145747>>59145808What kind of bugs are we talking?
>>59144164Its a sw1 game, there is no enhance on sw2 whatsoever
>>59145863Gen III had Choice Band though...
>>59145927Not the anon you responded to, but the two big ones are as follows>Using Haze on a Milotic that has taken damage will restore all its health in addition to resetting stats. Unknown if this bug with Haze affects other Pokemon that can use it.>Dracopult’s Dragon Darts will break its own Focus Sash if it’s holding oneThen there are other minor ones like one of the tutorial missions having a female Gallade, the Rocky Helmet and Flame Orb items appearing on the menu tile that takes you to the in-game shop despite them not being in the game at the moment, etc.
>>59145965Also another one discovered a few hours ago is that the confusion caused by whether Mega Evolution or switching Pokemon happens first was because it appears to be randomised in the game itself.https://x.com/DaWoblefet/status/2041756619533439382
>>59145881Based
>>59145989>Mega Floette is radiating a Fairy Aura>Aggron is reacting to the Omni RingOh shit, that's proof positive that the mega order being randomized means the ability activation order is randomized as a result.Has anyone demonstrated intimidate-switch shenanigans yet?
>>59145965Actually it's worse, it didn't even HAVE a focus sash, it seemingly gave it Gyrados's somehow.
If you don't like it, don't play itgo back to smogon before it gets shut down
>>59145965theres also encore causing the move to hit random targets and ignoring lightning rod
>>59145965Man how do you fuck up a battle engine that's like 30 years old now. Gamefreak must have ironed out every function and calculations this shit runs to a T, porting it to any language must be effortless
>>59146059ILCA is just that incompetent.Don't forget they managed to fuck up Spinda in BDSP by flipping the bits that determine it's spots, so you can't transfer Spinda to or from Home. Also they managed to fuck up the basic calculator function in BDSP so yeah. Don't know how they still have a job.
>>59146059>Man how do you fuck up a battle engine that's like 30 years old nowby having ILCA work develop the game
>>59146036You can’t shut down Smogon. You mean Showdown, retardsis.
>>59146070What would Smogon do without Showdown these days?
>>59146036Enjoy your slop before it EOS
>>59146077Use another server
>>59144806pokopia is co-developed by gamefreak dumbass
>>59146099Any real work wasn’t done by them. How do I know? Because the game isn’t dogshit
>>59144752>They have no reason to go after Smogon, it's free, always has been freeThey've tried going after rom hacks before so the argument doesn't hold up
>>59145965>>Dracopult’s Dragon Darts will break its own Focus Sash if it’s holding oneDid that actually break its sash? I thought that was something messed up with how the order of operations is handled, with it saying it holds the enemy's item. I've had the same thing happen in the past when implementing new mechanics into a rom hack.
>>59146360Ye because they like to "announce" their romhacks as pokemon games often with fanfare which is about as retarded as advocating for piracy on open channels.
>>59146360>>59146432Rom hacks almost never get shut down, even if the devs are openly making money via Patreon to support development. It's all fearmongering.
>>59144806Pokopia was actually good though.
>>59143775MISTAH MERRICKU YOU CANT DO DISU WHY ARENTO YU ON MAI SAIDO
>>59143775WEW LAD
If you actually paid attention you'd realize he only criticizes those games not made by GameFreak
Guess the game being a disaster is why movepools weren't datamined yet.
>>59147783You're actually not wrong there. Though he might have defended BDSP at some point as well, despite it also being made by ILCA.
>>59144822joe has already been assumed as a tpci shill, but have we not considered that it might be a little more complicated than that? there's clearly some office politics at play within tpci, and even some within game freak. maybe joe is more accurately alligned with a certain set of developers, and when they want to trash on their colleagues, they send him out.
>>59143775If even Joe bows out I can't see how anyone can defend Champions, that means you're a bigger shill than him
>>59143775I think this game is catering too much to new players. They stripped this game so bare that there's barely any meta game to speak of.
>>59145067So? It's never been legal in Online Competitions.
>>59143804all they had to do was put the focus on POKEMON instead of trainers 10% of the fanabse cares a single iota about
>>59147870yawnie's been running defense on it all day
>>59144376Simulators have existed before Showdown. Even if Showdown gets taken down a new one will be put up.
>>59144765Not having every Pokemon is fine, that's how the ranked seasons always worked. Not having basic items is far worse because it greatly limits team building options.
>>59144793>>59144761why are you samefagging when you don't even know what the first 10 minutes of the game are likeyou start with 20k VP. do you think you need to buy 20 mega stones to unlock the full version or something, you stupid nigger?
>>59147870this board has them, but that just shows how far it's fallen
>>59145927It keeps disconnecting players on certain types of routers for reasons we don't yet fully understand. Some are able to fix it by turning off IPv6 in their Switch's settings, but it doesn't work for everyone. Only surefire way I've found is to use my phone as a hotspot and connect to that. Internet works fine for everything else, it's just this game acting up.
He says SwSh are the best games in the series, so fuck him.
>>59148206Does he even play online in any way, shape or form?
>>59148206He's right that Champions sucks dick though
>>59145275Anon...
>>59144267LJN?
>>59143775>When a game is so bad even the professional shill can't defend it
>>59144815gachas also have an overtly lewd fanbase that expects it in most gachas that Pokemon can't really do due to being Pokemon.
>>59147924>focus on the thing every Pokemon game focuses onThat would have killed Masters ages ago, the reason it's still around is because it's dedicated to those of us who want to fuck the humans.
>>59143883I've never seen a dead person before and I'm 27
